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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75064589 United States 06/12/2017 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question: do WE have any fucking say in this? I guess so. Congress has to approve it. But SCREW Congress, they never do the will of the people anyway. If the fucking Puerto Rican CITIZENS get to vote for statehood via a simple fucking referendum, then why don't WE THE PEOPLE get to vote similarly? I'll bet the results would be a bit different than what our "elected officials" would choose. |
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User ID: 18401048 United States 06/12/2017 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 50% of the islanders are on welfare. I really don't see what this buys us Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39516942 Loads and loads of democratic voters ... nah, the political climate is up for grabs. if a GOP House, Senate and President give them statehood they wont soon forget. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75064589 United States 06/12/2017 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | <50% Puerto Rican debt instruments have been popular on Wall Street because they are “triple tax exempt.” Bondholders and investors don’t have to pay any federal, state or local taxes on them. This tax benefit would disappear if the island were to become a state: so Wall Street has no interest in Puerto Rican statehood. Thanks to Citizens United v. FEC, it will hire lobbyists and give unlimited sums of money – over and under the table – to congress persons who will oppose it. Controlled Foreign Corporations (CFCs) who use Puerto Rico as a tax shelter – allowing them to pay a 2 percent tax rate, rather than the US corporate rate of 35 percent – will also hire lobbyists and pay congress persons to oppose Puerto Rican statehood. The unions in Jacksonville, the four Jones Act carrier companies (Horizon, Crowley, Sea Star, Trailer Bridge) and the American Maritime Partnership will also hire lobbyists and buy congress persons to oppose Puerto Rican statehood, since that could eventually lead to Jones Act reform and an end to the Cabotage Law in Puerto Rico. So the only time a “Statehood for Puerto Rico” bill would pass is during a perfect alignment of all the following: a referendum in Puerto Rico which expresses a clear majority for statehood a Democratic majority in the US congress a Democratic majority in the US Senate a Democratic president Even then – with opposition from Wall Street, Jones Act carrier companies, the Jacksonville Chamber of Commerce, the American Maritime Partnership, and the Teamster and Longshoreman’s unions – this “perfect political alignment” would still not guarantee a congressional consensus for statehood. In addition to all this fierce lobbying (and money exchanging hands) there will be no “congressional consensus” because congressional seats are a zero-sum game. There are always a fixed number of congressional seats: 435. If five new congressional seats are created for Puerto Rico, five seats will be taken away from five other states. This would be accomplished through congressional re-districting after the next decennial US Census. If you were a member of the US Congress, would you risk losing your own seat – losing your political career – in order to make room for Puerto Rico? No, I don’t think so. [link to waragainstallpuertoricans.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75064589 United States 06/12/2017 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 50% of the islanders are on welfare. I really don't see what this buys us Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39516942 Loads and loads of democratic voters ... nah, the political climate is up for grabs. if a GOP House, Senate and President give them statehood they wont soon forget. Oh come on. Republicans freed the slaves. How's that working our for them? The Free Stuff Army has a very short memory. |
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User ID: 18401048 United States 06/12/2017 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 50% of the islanders are on welfare. I really don't see what this buys us Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39516942 Loads and loads of democratic voters ... nah, the political climate is up for grabs. if a GOP House, Senate and President give them statehood they wont soon forget. Oh come on. Republicans freed the slaves. How's that working our for them? The Free Stuff Army has a very short memory. I see your point however that is a vastly difference situation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17127208 United States 06/12/2017 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A whole state of Obamaumau voters on the welfare or running drugs. Whats not to like? I'm unaware of a drug problem in PR. Hispanics are generally politically conservative. All that island needs it some economic development. BIG FUCKING ADDICTION PROBLEM IN PR and narcotrafficing. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74563487 United States 06/12/2017 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question: do WE have any fucking say in this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75064589 I guess so. Congress has to approve it. But SCREW Congress, they never do the will of the people anyway. If the fucking Puerto Rican CITIZENS get to vote for statehood via a simple fucking referendum, then why don't WE THE PEOPLE get to vote similarly? I'll bet the results would be a bit different than what our "elected officials" would choose. That could be because we are not ruled by, "the will of the people." We are ruled by the law. The will of the people is decided on the first Tuesday, after the first Monday in November, in even numbered years. Never forget that these assholes work for us. Not the other way around. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75032742 United States 06/12/2017 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is really going to mess up the star pattern on all those flags we bought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44534076 I say we kick California out so the count stays at fifty. Moron. You do realize that, according to verified statistics, there are more Republicans and Independents in California than Democrats, right? There are also more than 2 million U.S. military veterans there, along with countless active servicemen and servicewomen -- and a number of highly important military bases. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75032742 United States 06/12/2017 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is really going to mess up the star pattern on all those flags we bought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44534076 I say we kick California out so the count stays at fifty. Moron. You do realize that, according to verified statistics, there are more Republicans and Independents in California than Democrats, right? There are also more than 2 million U.S. military veterans there, along with countless active servicemen and servicewomen -- and a number of highly important military bases. What is your point? That you hate Republicans, Independents, and patriotic Americans (including veterans)? If not...what? Your response doesn't make a great deal of sense -- especially on a forum such as this. |
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User ID: 70382294 United States 06/12/2017 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is really going to mess up the star pattern on all those flags we bought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44534076 I say we kick California out so the count stays at fifty. Moron. You do realize that, according to verified statistics, there are more Republicans and Independents in California than Democrats, right? There are also more than 2 million U.S. military veterans there, along with countless active servicemen and servicewomen -- and a number of highly important military bases. I keep saying this. I'm praying you guys can get Maxine Waters and Diane Feinstein out in 2018! I wish you could impeach your governor too. [link to qanonmap.github.io (secure)] Thread: q-list of abbreviations Thread: "DOT" Global Consciousness Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” Quoted by Lincoln-written by John Lydgate THIS world is not conclusion; A sequel stands beyond,Invisible, as music, But positive, as sound.-Emily Dickinson |
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User ID: 70382294 United States 06/12/2017 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you had a liberal relative on welfare with a drug problem asking to live in your home, would you agree? Quoting: Zedakah Also he doesn't speak your language. If they want to join the country, then they need to make positive changes to show their dedication. Wise words. [link to qanonmap.github.io (secure)] Thread: q-list of abbreviations Thread: "DOT" Global Consciousness Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” Quoted by Lincoln-written by John Lydgate THIS world is not conclusion; A sequel stands beyond,Invisible, as music, But positive, as sound.-Emily Dickinson |