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The Official "Reincarnation is Biblical" Thread

 
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Meanwhile, "Men" and "males"

You can have a man... Adam for instance, who was a procreating group of males and females.

You can call a Male a Man if you want to continue confusing whether or not to treat Females lesser.

Adam was a Man, male and female he was.

God has no respect for persons.

The persons are the Males and the Females who make up Adam... the real Adam... the Biblical Adam, not the Guy from the history of this planet who is a parable of the real Adam.

The Man, Adam, had some DNA took, and Eve was made with it.

Eve Came out of Adam.

All the males and females of Eve, were slightly lesser in law than all the males and females of Adam, as he was there first.

Afterward, A woman had to be something like a section of peoples, male and female that a man would take out of himself in order to give to another man.

Think Big!



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The most blatantly obvious verses teaching that reincarnation is Biblical comes to us from none other than Jesus himself.

Jesus describes over and over again how John the Baptist is the reincarnation of Elias or Elisha of the Old Testament...

Matthew 17:12
"But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them"


Matthew 17:13
"Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist"


Unfortunately, because Christians have been duped into believing the reincarnation is not Biblical, they must find another meaning to the verse.

A type of 'circular logic' occurs and thus we get explanations like...

"Oh Jesus didn't really mean that!"

"John the Baptist was merely 'role playing'... you know... like some b-rated Hollywood actor".

"He was simply 'playing the part' of Elias".

"Everyone knows reincarnation isn't Biblical, thus John wasn't reincarnated like Jesus said he was"


Note that John the Baptist was "the greatest Prophet that ever lived"...

Luke 7:28
"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"


Why? Because he was a Tom Cruise? Because he was good at entertaining folks with his acting abilities?

No.

Most likely it is because John volunteered for the position, or rather, Elias did and came back as John.

Imagine the sacrifice he made to have to do something like that.

And guess what?

Some say he will return yet again to become one of the Two Witnesses.

Yes, John/Elias truly was and is the greatest Prophet ever.

PS: Did you catch the phrase 'born of women' plural?

How many moms did he have eh?
 Quoting: Base12


Luke 1:17  And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

In the spirit of Elias, doesn't mean he was acting. He went forward in the same spirit as Elijah.

The idea that the two witnesses are actual people is completely false.

Revelation 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

1260 days prophetically speaking is 1260 years. This same principle is applied to Daniel 9, to the 70 weeks. And Numbers, and Ezekiel applied the same spiritual truth.

Numbers 14:34  After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

Ezekiel 4:6  And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


This is referring to the Scriptures (the Old Testament and the New Testament are the two witnesses), not any human being.

Zechariah 4:3  And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

Zechariah 4:6  Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

Not by the might of man, or the power of man, but by God's Spirit. And God's Spirit, the author of the Scriptures, prophesied of the 1260 years, Old Testament and New Testament, among other things.
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satan to eve "you shall not surely die"

base12 to glp "you shall not surely die"


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It's pretty obvious to me that there is reincarnation when reading ecclesiastes. I don't need some institution-trained preacher boy telling me about the afterlife. The key seems to be that memories of previous lives are erased or made not accessible during a person's physical life.

6Blowing toward the south,
         Then turning toward the north,
         The wind continues swirling along;
         And on its circular courses the wind returns.
7All the rivers flow into the sea,
         Yet the sea is not full.
         To the place where the rivers flow,
         There they flow again.
8All things are wearisome;
         Man is not able to tell it.
         The eye is not satisfied with seeing,
         Nor is the ear filled with hearing.
9That which has been is that which will be,
         And that which has been done is that which will be done.
         So there is nothing new under the sun.
10Is there anything of which one might say,
         “See this, it is new”?
         Already it has existed for ages
         Which were before us.
11There is no remembrance of earlier things;
         And also of the later things which will occur,
         There will be for them no remembrance
         Among those who will come later still.
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You have to read Origin of Alexander on the topic!

Also the "Angels" who Dee and Kelly were said to be in contact with also confirmed that the "Transmigration of Souls is in fact true!
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It would be ashamed to waste all that experience and wisdom gained in a physical life while blinded to the ethereal world around us all, yet there would not be a good learning curve if people were aware
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Do you believe that reincarnation is supported by the Christian Bible?

Are you tired of hypocritical, judgmental so called "Christians" calling you "demon possessed", "Satan" and telling you that you will "burn in Hell for all of eternity" because you believe in reincarnation?

Do you believe that the countless documented cases of children who remember past lives are *not* "possessed by devils"?

Do you believe that we've been lied to as to what Hell really is?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, then this thread is for you!

Let's hear what you have to say.


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Hell is the grave.
 Quoting: DGenesis1:29

Hell is a parable for the Womb and this world.

It is also a type of 'Easter Bunny' and 'Santa Clause' story.

When Christians grow up, they are supposed to see the 'adult' meaning...

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Remember...

The Lake of Fire comes to us from the Old Testament.

It's from the Valley of the Son of Hinnom.

In other words, the Lake of Fire is derived from Moloch.

'Seed' (DNA) is passed through the Fire (Through the portal) and into Moloch...

Leviticus 18:21
"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech
, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD"

Moloch comes from the Golden Calf which is Hathor.

Hathor is the Divine Feminine "Womb of the Son"...

unclemikey-738

Thus, those thrown into the Lake of Fire go to Moloch or Hathor (ISIS), the Womb/reincarnation.

The Lake of Fire is not the end of the story. One must connect the dots.

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Meanwhile, "Men" and "males"

You can have a man... Adam for instance, who was a procreating group of males and females.

You can call a Male a Man if you want to continue confusing whether or not to treat Females lesser.

Adam was a Man, male and female he was.

God has no respect for persons.

The persons are the Males and the Females who make up Adam... the real Adam... the Biblical Adam, not the Guy from the history of this planet who is a parable of the real Adam.

The Man, Adam, had some DNA took, and Eve was made with it.

Eve Came out of Adam.

All the males and females of Eve, were slightly lesser in law than all the males and females of Adam, as he was there first.

Afterward, A woman had to be something like a section of peoples, male and female that a man would take out of himself in order to give to another man.

Think Big!


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And my point is, though a Woman is lesser in law than a Man, there's no good reason besides mimicry to make females lesser in law than males... especially since God has always had no respect for persons.
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Jesus asked "Who do they say that I am"

And they answered, “John the Baptist. But others say, Elijah, and others, that one of the prophets of old has risen.”


REINCARNATION
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Very courageous of you to host this thread, Base12!

neoAMAZED2
Woah....You are really "taking the heat" on
this topic!

Here is a little bit of trivia that might be helpful
for some Christians who have their "panties in a
twist" over your thread...

The United Nations has been in the news with Trump's
recent trip, right? Well, The United Nations held up
a spin-off of Islam (called the Bahai's) to be their
"favored faith among faiths" in the late 40's. At that
time a beautiful temple was built for the Bahai faith
which recognizes ALL THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS in the most
amazing artwork and gardens you can imagine. Here's
one link I found:
[link to www.ewtn.com]

What most people do NOT know, however, (and keeping in
mind this is the folks who favor Bahai faith) is that
the messiah of the Bahai's claimed to be an avatar who
continuously REINCARNATES to bring more and more
enlightenment to the human family. His last incarnation
was Muhammed...and before Muhammed...Jesus.

Do some research into this--because it is very very
important to understand some of the tensions in the
middle east between the West who hold positions in
the United Nations and endorse this, knowing that they
believe in reincarnation (if they favor Bahais.)

I fully accept that there is BOTH--reincarnation for
those who have a desire to come back to finish something
from a past life--and the idea one can "move on" to
Heaven if they so desire (and deserve to do so.) It is
all about free will and there doesn't have to be an
ABSOLUTE here to fight about.

Thanks for the thread--maybe the Bahai & United Nations
info will help to wake up some closed minds!

cheers
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The Scriptures do not say you only die once. It says it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment. At the judgment you die the second death. Then you cease to exist. There is no hope of reincarnation, there is no hope of another resurrection. You cease to exist for eternity.
 Quoting: DGenesis1:29


Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.'
Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?'
Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.'

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.



Matthew 25:41-46

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Jesus asked "Who do they say that I am"

And they answered, “John the Baptist. But others say, Elijah, and others, that one of the prophets of old has risen.”


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yeah but they were all wrong lol.
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His last incarnation
was Muhammed...and before Muhammed...Jesus.
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Was Mohammad good or evil?

Who do you say that Jesus Christ is?
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Amazing! Agree!
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I fully accept that there is BOTH--reincarnation for
those who have a desire to come back to finish something
from a past life--and the idea one can "move on" to
Heaven if they so desire (and deserve to do so.) It is
all about free will and there doesn't have to be an
ABSOLUTE here to fight about.

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What about Hell?

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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.


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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.


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Oh dear, the preachers and crazed Christians refuse to listen. None of us are worth a shit and we are all bound for hell, no matter what we proclaim. That still doesn't save you. Where does Jesus say "If you believe in reincarnation, I will send you to HELL!"?
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At the judgment you die the second death. Then you cease to exist. There is no hope of reincarnation, there is no hope of another resurrection. You cease to exist for eternity.
 Quoting: DGenesis1:29

Remember there are three parts to a Human...

Body
Soul
Spirit


The Body of course turns to dust, we all know that.

The Soul is the part of us that is flammable.

This is why the Soul can be 'burned' and ultimately destroyed...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


The Spirit however is *not* flammable and needs no refinement in the Fire.

In addition, the Spirit always returns to God who gave it...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"


Thus it is the Spirit that is able to return back to Earth having been stripped of the Body and Soul.

In other words, it is simply a 'clean slate'. A fresh beginning. A blank 'spark of life' so to speak.

It never dies, nor can it be destroyed.

Having said that, the ultimate goal is to make it into Heaven with Spirit AND Soul intact.

This is how we retain our unique personalities and character.
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First off, man is dust.

Genesis 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Man does not become a disembodied spirit at death. Man is dust. Not a spirit. And unto dust shall man return. This statement means nothing, if man is not dust, and does not return to dust.

Genesis 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

A living soul = breath of life + dust.

A living soul is composed of the dust of the ground and God's breath of life. If you lose the breath of life, you become a dead soul. That would mean you are only dust, dead dust. Dust cannot live without the breath of life. The soul, when it dies, goes to the grave:

Job 33:22  Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.

Psalms 30:3  O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

Psalms 49:15  But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.

Resurrection^

Psalms 89:48  What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.

You are not the breath of life. That is God's breath, not man's.

Job 33:4  The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


Man is dust, and this is repeatedly stated throughout the Scriptures.

Job 34:14-15  If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;  15  All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Genesis 18:27  And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:


At the judgment the soul is judged, and cast into hellfire. And then that soul shall die, and cease to exist. They shall be nothing more than ashes.

Malachi 4:1,3  For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 3  And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Obadiah 1:15-16  For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.  16  For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

They drink the wine of the wrath of God:

Revelation 14:10  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

After they drink, they shall be as though they had not been, they shall cease to exist. There is no chance of coming back to their bodies for a second chance. This is impossible. The only chance is now.

Ezekiel 28:18-19  Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.  19  All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
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Organized religion is a SCAM. The leaders are all wolves taking advantage of people's fears and ignorance
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Base12 check your PM.

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Man is the microcosm of the universe!

"As above so below"!

This is why it is said that God is not mocked!

Whatever we do in this life echoes throughout the universe for all eternity!

We cannot ever escape God's law because God is everywhere in everything and in us! That being said though, it is hubris to think of ourselves as "God's" since we are a species with amnesia for the most part.

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Oh dear, the preachers and crazed Christians refuse to listen. None of us are worth a shit and we are all bound for hell, no matter what we proclaim. That still doesn't save you. Where does Jesus say "If you believe in reincarnation, I will send you to HELL!"?
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Why did Jesus Christ die?
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Paul literally describes the mystery of Godliness. It's not reincarnation. It's:

1 Timothy 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 Quoting: DGenesis1:29

Of course.

Mystery of Godliness is Born Again into an Incorruptible Body after the resurrection.

Mystery of Iniquity is Born Again into a corruptible body after the resurrection.

1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"


Most don't realize that verse is an "either/or" statement.

One or the other is going to occur and it's our choice.
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The thing that stuns be is the ignorance I see with some zealots. Christians claim in their moments of false modesty, that they know that they fall short of salvation and that only Jesus can save them(or God, since God's mercy is on who He chooses, nothing that you do on your own). Yet they get up on their pedestal to proclaim to the world that there is no such thing as reincarnation as if that is going to save them, which they already admit will not
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Thats it OP.

Tickles the ears of glp.

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Do you believe that reincarnation is supported by the Christian Bible?

Are you tired of hypocritical, judgmental so called "Christians" calling you "demon possessed", "Satan" and telling you that you will "burn in Hell for all of eternity" because you believe in reincarnation?

Do you believe that the countless documented cases of children who remember past lives are *not* "possessed by devils"?

Do you believe that we've been lied to as to what Hell really is?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, then this thread is for you!

Let's hear what you have to say.


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You ARE a demon from the bowels of hell.

It's another step into pure evil. Rather than ignoring scripture, like non-believers, you TWIST scripture to your own liking and agenda.

It was Satan who told the original lie in the Garden of Eden, "You shall not surely die".

OP is one of the many demons who have packaged and repackaged this original lie from the Garden of Eden.


The bible says: "It is appointed unto men ONCE to die, and then the judgment". Hebrews 9:27
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Welp, it's not Biblical. /thread.





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