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Project: Bitcoin -- Status: Bitcoin; NEM; Nexus; Safe Exchange; Stratis; Status; Syscoin

 
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Project: Bitcoin -- Status: Bitcoin; NEM; Nexus; Safe Exchange; Stratis; Status; Syscoin
Status update: 2017-08-14

Bittrex Balance: USD -10%; BTC -40% (BIG improvement since last update)



The stock market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient.

-Warren Buffet



It has been a few weeks since my last update, but before I go into that, first a big shout out and congrats to those that have been holding AntShares/NEO, OMG, or Civic!

Everyone was waiting for NEO to rocket, and it finally did! I hope you all made a very nice profit, and if you are still in it I hope you will gain even more.

I only had 30 NEO, bought at 7 (before it dropped to 3) and sold it at 32. Could have gotten more, but I walked away with a $700+ profit. No regrets.


Over the past week I have been trying to finish this update, but the market is moving and changing so quickly and I am learning so much, that I went back to rewrite sections multiple times up to a point where it just became an incoherent wall of text.

So I am going to keep it relatively brief and to the point.



You probably have seen the thread going around the internet called: How I fucked up and turned ~600 BTC into 200 BTC

It's a crazy story, but I recognize some of his mistakes, because I made the same, and the text below I wrote prior to reading that thread. While coincidental, I think it's pretty common for a beginner.


I came into Crypo, fully intended to buy Bitcoin and HODL, but very quickly got distracted by altcoins and ended up with a bag of alt/shitcoins which I bought very close to the previous highest highs, and all ended up in the red. At a later point, when I wanted to test some new ideas I added a few hundred more to put in test coins, which also ended up in the red. I didn't even get to test; they went straight into the red even though the charts were looking favorable.

Leading up to the fork and having studied my losses, I started to realize that HODLing losing trades probably wasn't a good idea despite what 90% of the crypto community thinks, but considering I was the noob in the room who hadn't been through a full cycle yet, I gave the community the benefit of the doubt and kept my altcoins.

The same community was convinced that Bitcoin Cash was going to crash, despite me being open to the Bitcoin Cash solution. I think Bitcoin Cash is on the right side from a philosophical perspective, and Bitcoin Core from a practical perspective even though I really don't like what they are doing.

Prior to the fork, based on aforementioned and because I had no idea how the fork would affect the individual altcoins and my portfolio as a whole, I decided to HODL my altcoins, do not pass 'Go' and do not collect Bitcoin Cash. My portfolio wasn't in a great state and I did not want to make it worse by making a wrong move, again.

The fork was a very enlightening experience for various reasons but you were there, so I will skip that part.

One of the things I was most curious about during the fork, is how altcoins would behave. Each have their own character and during times like these they are tested. It is where the shitcoins are separated from the altcoins.

When the altcoins started to bounce, it became really interesting.

1: I started to notice that my overall balance didn't really improve because I was holding too many coins, and different position sizes. Some bounced, others not so much.

2: The test coins I bought after my initial investment came back into the green first. In the meantime I updated my spreadsheet to expose price divergence using my BTC and USD purchase prices as a baseline, and lo and behold, they did diverge, and quite significantly. At some point I had trades which ended up in 30% profit in USD, while still being in the red when measured in BTC.

Side note: You could argue that I got my money back, and in a way that is true, but I want my BTC value back, because that is what I originally bought.

With the confirmation that HODLing losses was indeed working against me, I acted right away, re-balanced my portfolio, and consolidated most of my losses. If I have multiple altcoins with losses within a range from 10-30%, why not consolidate them in 1 altcoin which has much more potential and could gain 30%, right?

In the meantime, I was tracking an asset for a couple of weeks already which caught my attention before it suddenly got hyped and took off. I took the profits from my test coins first and used the proceeds to buy this new asset, and as the price increased, I started to pull the trades of the worst performing assets/losses one by one, and moved what remained into this new asset using the pyramid strategy.

Within an hour my portflio improved quite significantly.

Not only did my new selection make profit, I protected myself from further losses on assets which continued to drop after I pulled them.

In hindsight I could have done a lot of things much better. For one: If I would have bought Bitcoin and didn't do anything at all, I would be in a much better position, but I had lessons to learn, and I feel pretty good about the fact that I took action right away when I understood what needed to be done. I took my losses, profits, and I re-balanced my portfolio.

I am especially happy now that some of the altcoins I owned, became Dogecoins today, like Sia. lol

(There is actually a very interesting story to Sia, which should serve as an example for other projects. Long story short: They mismanaged their project beyond believe.)

Next step is start shifting to a BTC dominant portfolio.

Funny thing: After about half a day later I saw divergences creep back in on my new trades and while this is line with expectations, I was a bit surprised how quickly that happened. It puts another emphasis on why HODLing altcoins only works under specific circumstances, especially now that BTC is rocketing/killing the altmarket.

When the BTC king rises, the altcoins bend their knees.


Re-balancing:

Old portfolio, after the fork:
Assets: Antshares, Bitcoin Core, Burst, DigiByte, Golem, NEM, Nexus, Pivx, Siacoin, Stratis, Verge
Status: USD -30% loss; BTC remained unchanged at -50%

New portfolio, after re-balancing:
Assets: Bitcoin Core, Bitcoin Cash, NEM, Nexus, Safe Exchange, Stratis, Status, Syscoin
Status: USD -10%; BTC -40%

I am well on my way to get back my investment in USD, but still have a long way to go to get my BTC back.

My portfolio is now a lot closer to what I want it to be, I have become a lot more knowledgeable since I bought my first shitcoins, I have settled on a strategy and set of indicators, I found the right sources to follow/learn from and know who to ignore, and overall I think I am much better positioned right now to earn it all back, and go beyond.

While there is still lots to learn, I think I passed though the learning curve, and settling down.

My portfolio and trades aside, I have been paper trading over the past weeks as well, to test my indicators and entree/exit points, and this is looking very promising.

I haven't felt this confident since I started this project.



Other items worth noting:

• There was a point where I wanted to get rid of my 150 Stratis, and I found that I couldn't. There were buy orders but the first page didn't even amount to what I was trying to dump, unless I would sell them really cheap. This puts another emphasis on how important it is to sell in strength. In Forex you can buy/sell at any time because of the volume but in this market, it is easy to get stuck. Which brings me to the following bullet:

• Every time when a top or bottom is reached a distribution or accumulation phase takes place. Meaning, those with lots of capital will sell all the way to the top to the noobs, and when it tanks the accumulation phase begins by buying from the noobs who are selling it at losses. In order to get rid of lots of capital, they have to sell in strength otherwise there is no one to sell it too, and vice versa. It is important to follow these phases because even with very little capital, in this market you could find yourself looking for buy/sell orders where there aren't any.

• I performed a number of back-tests on trading view to test indicators. Of course, none are profitable by themselves, but it does give you a very good idea on the accuracy of an indicator, in this market, under historic conditions. The RSI came out as a clear winner.

• I have a script which is used for pump and dumps, which I want to utilize for different purposes. I have more testing and tweaking to do on a demo account, but the idea is that you can perform actions using a script through API on Bittrex, at a very high speed. I am particularly interested in the ability to dump assets quickly, because of the following bullet:

• Call me crazy but I think the market is in for a crash, this year, and will be followed by a multi-month bear market. The market will continue to expand and prices will grow in the long term, but I really think that the increases we are seeing today are unsustainable and pure FOMO. On Telegram, I see so many people asking how to buy NEO, without knowing anything about anything. "Guide me to buying NEO, please!"

It's scary. Red flags everywhere!

People are selling their souls to get into BTC and NEO.


I really think BTC will crash, maybe once it has bumped into $4800. It might kill the altmarket in the process.

As such, I have set up my account with Vaultoro, and the moment I think I need to bail, I want to use my script to dump all altcoins, and send all BTC to Vautoro to buy Gold until the storm passes.

Having said that: My portfolio is not there yet. Gettng closer to it, but I have a few altcoins I still need to get rid of.




Some other notes (to be incorporated in the posts below):

This is Project Bitcoin, and not Project Shitcoin, so making a few changes to my strategy.

Strategy:
• HODL BTC
• Only trade altcoins in up-trends (when price above 50 EMA, and outpacing BTC)
• HODL altcoins only when you get in early and expect a rally in the very short term, and use a stop loss/take profit order to lock in your investment


Indicators (always on)
Candle sticks (W, D, 4H)
20 and 50 period EMA
Stock RSI

Indicators (when additional information is required)
Candle sticks (1H, 15M)
Fibonacci retracement / Extention
Momentum indicator


Milestones:
1: Earn 10 bitcoins and put 5 in cold storage
2: Earn one years worth of salary
3: (Locked)
4: (Locked)


On a final note: I initially started doing big updates on a Sunday, but moving forward I will be providing smaller ones throughout the week. I am finding that I am unable to finish an update in one go, and when I do, parts are already outdated and I leave out subjects I think are interesting to share.


Ps: Blockfolio is a great mobile app which allows you to track a ton of coins and set alerts. Slick design as well.


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I am one of the many who didn't buy Bitcoins despite becoming aware of them pretty early on, but I am looking to get more knowledgeable and get in, because I still see a huge upside potential.

I will allocate 10K to cryptocurrency, and will do so publicly, for everyone to follow along (or build upon).

It will be a win, or an epic and public failure. chuckle

I am doing this for a couple of reasons:
• A rising tide lifts all boats.
• Share research and progress with anyone interested in Bitcoin and how to get started.
• Possible GLP collaboration. (share knowledge/best practices)
• Your entertainment. (if I fail)


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This post will be updated continuously as research progresses.

First and foremost...

Profit potential:

A few of the reasons why I didn't buy Bitcoin yet is because it is uncharted territory and it is hard to tell where this can go. There was hardly any technical or fundamental analysis you could apply, and when I tried it a long time ago, it was not user friendly at all, and still isn't actually.

It is still difficult telling where this will go, but I believe that this technology will become mainstream when it becomes more user friendly. The underlying benefits of Bitcoin are clear to us on GLP (and criminals), but in the end, whether people will adopt it will boil down to convenience (and regulation).

Below a chart on technology becoming mainstream and fully adopted. What this tells me, is that despite the price of Bitcoin today, there is still a huge upside potential.

scurve

How long until mainstream adoption? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I am looking to step in after a retraction and I will expand on strategy more later on, but I've put together a basic table which allowed me to play with a few variables and plot scenarios. Below a screenshot of an easy to read configuration:

This scenario takes into account a few premises:
• The investment is not counted as profit.
• The first 10K is considered break even.
• It's a long term play.

Stating the obvious: Buying more coins will increase your profit before Bitcoin runs out of steam.

pbroi


Money Management:

Observations:

Having a Forex background, I am looking at the cryptocurrency market through an FX lens because of its similarities, but there are some clear differences as well.

Not only is this new market comparable to Forex, but it is also very much comparable to the rise of the internet and the inevitable crash that followed, bankrupting approx. 50% of the internet start-ups.

Similar to the rise of the internet, we are currently seeing lots of developers trying to take advantage of this brand new market. Some of these companies have a vision and offer true value, while others are just coming up with services and gimmicks to put on top of a blockchain hoping to get rich overnight.

This is a clear distinction between traditional currencies traded on Forex and cryptocurrencies. Traditional currencies have true value, whereas the vast majority of the cryptocurrencies have not, or at least not yet.

As such, I came up with the following cryptocurrency rating system to mitigate risks.
Green: Safe to keep in cold storage; Long term
Amber: Good for trading only; Short term; Pump and dump
Red: Stay away


Long term forecast:

Over the next 5 years, the market will see a large influx of speculators and the first waves of actual active users. The market will mature and slowly find the true value of the projects/cryptocurrencies being launched. The market will remain extremely volatile until the number of active users exceeds the number of speculators, in terms of volume.

Bitcoin will remain strong and will reach 100K per coin, both because of its brand and because it serves as a gateway to altcoins. Once cryptocurrencies become mainstream, bitcoin will drop in value and gets overtaken by better technology.

Having said that; Until we arrive at the tipping point where the number of active users exceeds the number of speculators, speculators will continue to drive the price through pump and dumps, hypes, emotional bias, sentiment, and to some degree true value, which is going to provide for many opportunities to take advantage off.


Strategy:

• HODL BTC
• HODL altcoins only when you have done your research, you are early, and expect a rally in the very short term
• 50% of total investment in cold storage (long term)
• 50% in Bittrex for trading (short term)
• Diversify digital asset: Currencies vs. Services; Protocols vs. Dapps; Low vs. high risk/reward
• Always be prepared for a big crash


Milestones:

1: Earn 10 bitcoins and put 5 in cold storage.
2: Earn one years worth of salary.
3: [Locked]
4: [Locked]


Trading:

Indicators (always on)
• Candle sticks (W, D, 4H)
• 20 and 50 period EMA
• Stock RSI

Indicators (when additional information is required)
• Candle sticks (1H, 15M)
• Fibonacci retracement / extention
• Momentum indicator

• Buy when its red, sell when its green (buy low, sell high)
• Don't chase a trade (FOMO) (if a coin goes up more than 100% in a short period of time, expect a 50% retracement)
• Trade liquid currencies; $500K volume as a minimum
• 10% of total investment per short term trade
• Only trade altcoins in up-trends (when price above 50 EMA on the daily, and outpacing BTC)
• Use stop loss orders to minimize losses
• Use take profit orders to lock in profits
• Don't go all in, ever
• Don't trade on margin

• Follow the accumulation and distribution phases

pbaccumulation

• Take into account human psychology

pbwave


Emergency Exit Strategy::

• Buy Tether (price pegged to USD)
• Buy Xaurum in Bittrex (price pegged to Gold)
• Buy Gold on Vaultoro (price pegged to Gold)


Digital Assets:

(ratings will be subject to changes as I become more knowledgeable on the projects)

Green:
Bitcoin (currency)
Bitcoin Cash (currency)
Dash (currency)
Decred (currency)
Ethereum (protocol)
Ethereum Classic (protocol)
Factom
IOTA
Lisk (protocol)
Litecoin
Monero (privacy)
NEM (currency)
NEO (protocol)
Nexus (currency)
OmiseGo
Pivx (privacy)
Stratis (protocol)
SysCoin
TenX
Tezos
Verge (privacy)
Xaurum (gold; hedge against bitcoin)
ZCash (privacy)

Amber:
Aeternity
Ark
Augur
Basic Attention Token
BitBay
Bitcore
Blitzcash
Blocknet
Burst
Bytecoin
Civic
CloakCoin
Cofound.it
Counterparty
Crown
Digibyte
DigitalNote
Dogecoin
DopeCoin
Filecoin
GameCredits
GCCcoin
Golem
Golos
GridCoin
Heat
Humaniq
I/O Coin
INPAY
Kore
LBRY Credits
Magi
MaidSafeCoin
MobileGo
Monaco
Musicoin
NAV Coin
NeosCoin
NXT
Patientory
Pillar
Populous
PotCoin
Radium
Radix
ReddCoin
Ripple
Safe Exchange Coin
Shift
Siacoin
Status
Steem
Stellar Lumens
Ubiq
Veritaseum
Vertcoin
Viacoin
Voxels
Waves
Wings

Red:
Chaincoin
Syndicate
Bitconnect (MLM/HYIP)
Genesis (MLM/HYIP)



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Please feel free to share your favorite exchanges, sites, tools, strategies and best practices, or bad experiences and fraud to help your fellow man.

I will improve the content through my research and with the feedback provided.


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Disclaimer: Trading is counterintuative and comes with high risks, which is why 90% lose their money. Information and opinions shared in this thread does not equal financial advice. Do your own research, trade at your own risk, and only trade with money you can afford to lose.

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Appendix:


An introduction to Bitcoin

Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency and a digital payment system: invented by an unknown programmer, or a group of programmers, under the name Satoshi Nakamoto. It was released as open-source software in 2009.
The system is peer-to-peer, and transactions take place between users directly, without an intermediary. These transactions are verified by network nodes and recorded in a public distributed ledger called the blockchain. Since the system works without a central repository or single administrator, bitcoin is called the first decentralized digital currency

Bitcoin has been designed as a deflationary currency, so it has a strictly limited money supply of $21M.
Broadly speaking, a deflationary currency is one that increases in value over time. Goods and services priced in a deflationary currency will therefore tend to reduce in price - all other things being equal.

Bitcoin uses the metric system to denote amounts.
1mBTC is a thousandth of a bitcoin and is called a milli (like millimeter).
1µBTC is a millionth of a bitcoin and is called a mike (like micrometer).
The smallest unit (8 decimal places) is called a Satoshi after the inventor of Bitcoin: Satoshi Nakamoto.

In order to buy, sell or transfer bitcoins, first you need a wallet. A wallet is in essence a private key. The private key is a long string of characters. To make it easier, this string can be converted into 12 words, called seed words. You need the private key or the 12 seed words (and password) to access the wallet, so it's important to keep them in a safe place.
From within the wallet you can generate public keys which you can give to others to receive money.

Wallets come in different forms.
• Online/Hot Wallet
• Desktop/Hot Wallet
• Offline/Cold Wallet
• Hardware/Cold Wallet

Wallets

The simplest way to describe the difference between a cold wallet and a hot one is this: hot wallets are connected to the internet while cold wallets are not. Most people who hold digital assets have both cold and hot wallets because they are designed for different purposes.

Online/Hot Wallet + Exchange:
While convenient, the risk with online wallets is that you are not the only one in control of your wallet/private key. They can freeze you out of your own funds. Good to trade, but not for large/long term investments.

Desktop/Hot Wallet:
A desktop wallet is more secure than an online wallet because only you own, control, and are responsible for its security. The drawback is that desktop wallets generally don't support the altcoins you might be interested in, and it is still connected to the internet and therefore exposed to possible vulnerabilities.

Offline/Cold Wallet:
By far the most secure way to store a wallet. The private key is created using an offline wallet (private key) generator. The key is stored on a USB drive or written on a paper, and stored in a safe.

Hardware/Cold Wallet:
Using dedicated hardware for offline storage allows for storing multiple altcoins, and includes a verification process to prevent unauthorized transfers. You still would still have to store the private key or seed words in a different place in case something happens with the hardware, though.

Exchange
When you have set up your wallet, it is time to buy your first bitcoins. This is done through an exchange.
Online wallets generally speaking include an exchange which allows you to buy and sell bitcoins from within the wallet. Offline wallet owners go to an exchange directly to buy or sell bitcoins.



Tutorials

Getting started with a desktop wallet and Bittrex

The way I did it...

1: Install Electrum wallet.
2: Go to 'Receive' and request a public key. This key will be used to receive bitcoins. You can generate as many as you want to keep it organized.
3: Sign up to an exchange, suitable for you. E.g. best rates; most convenient payment method for you. I chose Bitonic because of its reputation, its rates, and because it allows me to pay through iDEAL.
4: Purchase bitcoin from the exchange. Use your public key for the exchange to send bitcoins to. Once purchased, and processed by the seller and blockchain, your bitcoins will show up in your wallet.
5: I use some of my bitcoins to buy other cryptocurrencies through the exchange Bittrex. This exchange supports lots of them. See the video below on how to transfer bitcoin to, and trade on Bittrex.





Education

Getting educated on Trading
Babypips: [link to www.babypips.com (secure)] (tip!)
Learn how to trade Forex using a demo account with Oanda, and apply it to trading cryptocurrencies using a trading platform like Coinigy.


Digital Asset Market Capitalization






How to research a digital asset


When you find a digital asset you are considering investing in long term, it is important to understand the project and know the team behind it. Do your research because most projects look great on the surface, until you start digging into it.

Start with:
• Market Cap
• Read their website, white paper, social media, and Slack channel
• Check popular crypto related websites
• Use Google (engine and trends)
• Use YouTube and look for interviews with the CEO or developer(s), because you are not only investing in an idea, you are investing in the team executing it as well

Questions you could take into consideration
• Does it solve a world problem?
• Does it have a real world use case?
• Enterprise contracts in place?
• Does it have a strong development team?
• A growing community?
• Is there at least an alpha application? (check GitHub)



Utilities

Online/Hot Wallet + Trading Platform: (use at own risk!)
Bittrex: [link to bittrex.com (secure)] (tip!)
Poloniex: [link to poloniex.com (secure)] (would not use)
Coinbase: [link to www.coinbase.com (secure)] (would not use)

Desktop/Hot Wallet Wallet:
Electrum: [link to electrum.org (secure)] (currently using)
Exodus: [link to www.exodus.io (secure)] (make use of Shapeshifter; expensive)
MultiBit: [link to multibit.org (secure)] (don't use! known password problem)

Offline/Cold Wallet Wallet:
Bitcoin paper wallet: [link to bitcoinpaperwallet.com (secure)]

Hardware/Cold Wallet:
Ledger ($70-$275): [link to www.ledgerwallet.com (secure)]
TREZOR ($99): [link to trezor.io (secure)]
KeepKey ($99): [link to www.keepkey.com (secure)]

Compare wallets + security: Cryptocompare: [link to www.cryptocompare.com (secure)]

Exchanges:
(Compare) LocalBitcoins: [link to localbitcoins.com (secure)]
(Compare) BittyBot: [link to bittybot.co]
Bitonic: [link to bitonic.nl (secure)] (good rates; signed up and verified account within an hour)
Bitstamp: [link to www.bitstamp.net (secure)]
Shapeshift: [link to shapeshift.io (secure)] (no account needed, but expensive)

Portfolio trackers:
CoinTracking: [link to cointracking.info (secure)]

Transactions:
Blockchain (lookup tool): [link to blockchain.info (secure)]

Charts:
Trading View: [link to www.tradingview.com (secure)] (tip!)
Coinigy [link to www.coinigy.com (secure)] (tip!)
Daily FX: [link to www.dailyfx.com (secure)]
BitInfo Charts: [link to bitinfocharts.com (secure)]
Cryptowatch: [link to cryptowat.ch (secure)]
Fiat Leak: [link to www.fiatleak.com] (watch the world currencies flow into BTC in realtime)

Calculator:
Percentage Calculator: [link to percentagecalculator.net (secure)]
Coin Market Cap: [link to coinmarketcap.com (secure)]

Price list, Supply & Market Cap:
Coin Market Cap: [link to coinmarketcap.com (secure)]
Coin Gecko: [link to www.coingecko.com (secure)]

Mobile apps:
Bitcoin Buzz News: Search for it
Blockfolio: [link to www.blockfolio.com (secure)] (tip!)

News:
Bitcoin News: [link to news.bitcoin.com (secure)]

Community:
Slack: Search for it
Bitcoin talk: Search for it

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post the exact moment when you buy/sell...I'll follow with a small amount.
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post the exact moment when you buy/sell...I'll follow with a small amount.
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I will. I will provide complete transparency.
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post the exact moment when you buy/sell...I'll follow with a small amount.
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I will. I will provide complete transparency.
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great thank you...it'll be fun.
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Investing in bitcoin is a great idea, it has approximately 50% of the crypto currency market share.

You should, if serious, look to invest a percentage into some other coins as well.
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post the exact moment when you buy/sell...I'll follow with a small amount.
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I will. I will provide complete transparency.
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great thank you...it'll be fun.
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Very welcome. No doubt it will be fun.

Excited that you'll follow along as well. Good stuff! duimomhoog

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Investing in bitcoin is a great idea, it has approximately 50% of the crypto currency market share.

You should, if serious, look to invest a percentage into some other coins as well.
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Thanks. I definitely will.

As you said, because of market share I want to pocket a few Bitcoins first but I will be looking to diversify.

The market cap site gives me a nice list to investigate.

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Looking forward to following the thread. What's your jump in point?
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Im in the same boat, invested 10k over last few weeks. I set aside another 10k for metalpay's ICO yesterday, but that was a complete disaster, so I'll probably throw 5 at bitcoin and 5 at ethereum if there's another good dip today.

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OP, do you personally know anyone with more bitcoin knowledge than you?
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if i follow your graphic to really make money from crypto currency you have to be in the case "innovators", else you won't really make a lot of benefice.

it's just used as a currency on the internet.
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Im in the same boat, invested 10k over last few weeks. I set aside another 10k for metalpay's ICO yesterday, but that was a complete disaster, so I'll probably throw 5 at bitcoin and 5 at ethereum if there's another good dip today.

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you need to understand that selling 1200 bitcoins is enought to make it crash down 200 or 300 usd.

it's really too late to make a lot of money from bitcoin. small profit is realistic.
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I'm completely new to all of this. I've gone as far as opening accounts on Kraken, and Coinbase.

Coinbase is where I intend to purchase my first btc, unless someone can point me in a better direction.

So far my experience with coinbase has beendecent, but their ID verification is annoying. Had to upload pics of my id several times before they'd give me verification.

So far I've managed to link my debit card, but the fee for purchasing crypto with a debit card is 3.99%. This adds about $20 to the price of 1 whole bitcoin.

Coinbase fee for bank transfers is better at 1.49%. This is the option I'm planning to use. ID verification for bank transfers require some additional steps like giving them your bank account and routing numbers.
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Im in the same boat, invested 10k over last few weeks. I set aside another 10k for metalpay's ICO yesterday, but that was a complete disaster, so I'll probably throw 5 at bitcoin and 5 at ethereum if there's another good dip today.

seal
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you need to understand that selling 1200 bitcoins is enought to make it crash down 200 or 300 usd.

it's really too late to make a lot of money from bitcoin. small profit is realistic.
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After this next round of bitcoin, I'm focusing on etherium and other coins.
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In the beginning when bitcoin was not heard of I tried mining it and after running a night I got exactly 98 bitcoins.

I deleted them because nobody was using them, you could do nothing with them. It was just a nice experiment.
I can't give a rats ass, I would delete them right now because it is a farce, a scam and those with many bitcoins, good luck cashing them, the irs will find you, that is why they allow bitcoins, for the reaping when you cash out.
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Looking forward to following the thread. What's your jump in point?
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I will assess this on a daily basis.

Ideally, we will see a classic Fibonacci retracement to the 1600-1800 range next week. I will pull the trigger in that range, provided my indicators are not showing showing any red flags.

If panic erupts, the next stop could be the 1200-1300 range. I consider that unlikely, but not impossible as it would merely mean that the price would be going back to its original trend/channel. It would be a perfect and safe buying opportunity.

Considering the price just met resistance after a run, the next few days are going to be interesting, and will determine the options.


In the end, I am looking to buy below 2K USD, but of course the lower the better.
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Im in the same boat, invested 10k over last few weeks. I set aside another 10k for metalpay's ICO yesterday, but that was a complete disaster, so I'll probably throw 5 at bitcoin and 5 at ethereum if there's another good dip today.

seal
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What happened over there? I read their White Paper and while I thought it was poorly explained, as far as I understood it, I did like what they are trying to accomplish.

If successful, It would result in a huge influx into cryptocurrency.
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OP, do you personally know anyone with more bitcoin knowledge than you?
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I don't, but I used to trade currencies and commodities and with the internet at my disposal I am confident I will wrap my mind around this pretty quickly.

Priorities have shifted lately, and I am also getting back into Forex.
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if i follow your graphic to really make money from crypto currency you have to be in the case "innovators", else you won't really make a lot of benefice.

it's just used as a currency on the internet.
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Indeed. The risk has increased significantly, but if cryptocurrency or rather Bitcoin is going where I think it could go, there is plenty of upside potential to make a good sum.

Having said that: I will be looking to diversify, and pick up cryptocurrencies still in innovation phase, just in case.

I think cryptocurrency will be used on the internet primarily as well, but unlike PayPal I do see potential for it beyond it.
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I'm completely new to all of this. I've gone as far as opening accounts on Kraken, and Coinbase.

Coinbase is where I intend to purchase my first btc, unless someone can point me in a better direction.

So far my experience with coinbase has beendecent, but their ID verification is annoying. Had to upload pics of my id several times before they'd give me verification.

So far I've managed to link my debit card, but the fee for purchasing crypto with a debit card is 3.99%. This adds about $20 to the price of 1 whole bitcoin.

Coinbase fee for bank transfers is better at 1.49%. This is the option I'm planning to use. ID verification for bank transfers require some additional steps like giving them your bank account and routing numbers.
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Watch out for Coinbase. I am reading mixed reviews on it.

One major drawback which applies to all online wallets is that the wallet is in their possession, and they can freeze you out.

I will use an offline wallet, both because I want to stay in control and for security purposes.

The fees can be pretty high, indeed. Not just on your purchase, but also on your withdrawals. Can't avoid the fees completely, but there are better offers out there.
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Looking forward to following the thread. What's your jump in point?
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I will assess this on a daily basis.

Ideally, we will see a classic Fibonacci retracement to the 1600-1800 range next week. I will pull the trigger in that range, provided my indicators are not showing showing any red flags.

If panic erupts, the next stop could be the 1200-1300 range. I consider that unlikely, but not impossible as it would merely mean that the price would be going back to its original trend/channel. It would be a perfect and safe buying opportunity.

Considering the price just met resistance after a run, the next few days are going to be interesting, and will determine the options.


In the end, I am looking to buy below 2K USD, but of course the lower the better.
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You poor bitter bastard.
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You poor bitter bastard.
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Sorry OP, not you.

Here is the correct poor bitter bastard.

In the beginning when bitcoin was not heard of I tried mining it and after running a night I got exactly 98 bitcoins.

I deleted them because nobody was using them, you could do nothing with them. It was just a nice experiment.
I can't give a rats ass, I would delete them right now because it is a farce, a scam and those with many bitcoins, good luck cashing them, the irs will find you, that is why they allow bitcoins, for the reaping when you cash out.
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I'm completely new to all of this. I've gone as far as opening accounts on Kraken, and Coinbase.

Coinbase is where I intend to purchase my first btc, unless someone can point me in a better direction.

So far my experience with coinbase has beendecent, but their ID verification is annoying. Had to upload pics of my id several times before they'd give me verification.

So far I've managed to link my debit card, but the fee for purchasing crypto with a debit card is 3.99%. This adds about $20 to the price of 1 whole bitcoin.

Coinbase fee for bank transfers is better at 1.49%. This is the option I'm planning to use. ID verification for bank transfers require some additional steps like giving them your bank account and routing numbers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74959096


Watch out for Coinbase. I am reading mixed reviews on it.

One major drawback which applies to all online wallets is that the wallet is in their possession, and they can freeze you out.

I will use an offline wallet, both because I want to stay in control and for security purposes.

The fees can be pretty high, indeed. Not just on your purchase, but also on your withdrawals. Can't avoid the fees completely, but there are better offers out there.
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What do you think of bitstamp?

(I'm interested in following along on your thread...especially if you decide to go for XRP...as I'm new to cryptos, but it ... XRP ... has my attention)

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In the beginning when bitcoin was not heard of I tried mining it and after running a night I got exactly 98 bitcoins.

I deleted them because nobody was using them, you could do nothing with them. It was just a nice experiment.
I can't give a rats ass, I would delete them right now because it is a farce, a scam and those with many bitcoins, good luck cashing them, the irs will find you, that is why they allow bitcoins, for the reaping when you cash out.
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I am glad you don't feel remorse.

Regarding the IRS. I assume profits from cryptocurrency investments have to be reported like any other investments.

Good point, though. Something I need to look into.

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Interesting, I might invest with you too,
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Excellent OP thank you!!

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I'm in!

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Op, the first chart you posted features the word "laggards".

Did you create that chart? If so, would you please change it to laggtards? You know...in the spirit of GLP
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In the beginning when bitcoin was not heard of I tried mining it and after running a night I got exactly 98 bitcoins.

I deleted them because nobody was using them, you could do nothing with them. It was just a nice experiment.
I can't give a rats ass, I would delete them right now because it is a farce, a scam and those with many bitcoins, good luck cashing them, the irs will find you, that is why they allow bitcoins, for the reaping when you cash out.
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I am glad you don't feel remorse.

Regarding the IRS. I assume profits from cryptocurrency investments have to be reported like any other investments.

Good point, though. Something I need to look into.
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Here's a little inside baseball on bitcoins and the IRS.
Now, the IRS can pass any rule they damn well like, not having to base it on reality or logic, so this may not matter to them.

However, this is a fact:
Every bitcoin transaction, with the exception of selling bitcoins you mine yourself (which the IRS as zero ability to determine), is buying or selling of used goods.

That't right.
Bitcoin is not income.
And it's as taxable as selling used clothing, that is, not at all.

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im not interested in jumping on a bandwagon created by the CIA..
I'll stick with tangible time tested investments like precious metals,,virtual super mario tokens is just as bad as FIAT Federal Reserve notes backed by nothing and worthless as real investments..
just a digital Ponzi scheme..if i want to gamble i'll go down to my local casino..

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