TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN - Discuss the past, present and future of all things Twin Peaks

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Everyone who's active in this thread should go check out the TP page on the forum that rhymes with 'beddit' right now. The most diehard of Peakies are in full meltdown mode over how bad the finale is.

Some examples.......

"Sorry, that was a load of shit, regardless of the people who are going to hail it as masterful."

"No. That was bad. They fucked up the last episode so badly they shouldn't have even made the season."

"This is worse than the LOST ending. He better be writing another season or a movie."

"Season 3 was the biggest pile of bullshit ever. Can't wait to forget about it. "

Those aren't diehard Peakies. Those are the low grade hipsters who were never equipped to handle anything Lynchian to begin with. It wasn't meant for them. Tell them I said so.

Last Edited by GGAllin on 09/03/2017 10:26 PM

Okay...WTF just happened?



Is there going to be another season, because I don't understand THAT ending.



Well...I guess I can 'see it', but it doesn't feel like 'an ending'.

Actually, the 'What year is this' ending is a bit funny in its own way, but it just seems to beg for more.

Hmm.

Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 09/03/2017 10:38 PM

He could not alter the past.

You're sounding like a low grade hipster. I remember you guys from the 90's. You were into Twin Peaks to be cool, quirky, ironic and dark. It's not the 90's any more. The levels to Twin Peaks go too deep for your ilk.
Carnivale was great too. But it was more of a child's tale compared to the mysterious monolith of Twin Peaks.

Madchen Amick was my neighbor some years ago, our children went to school together.

She was so beautiful it made me nervous, and I am in no way gay. But her beauty was beyond most beautiful women I have known, like human perfection. She seemed illumined.

Wow what a ride! I'm sure some people are going to be upset with how this season ended, and that's okay. I personally liked it and am hoping for more, but that's up to Lynch & Frost, Showtime, and the cast.

I'll be updating more tomorrow after I have some time to think about all the things I just witnessed.

But I'm pretty sure Judy/Jowday (as Cole and Briggs called it) is the mother/experiment entity, and trapped Laura in this new timeline/dimension after realizing what Coop was trying to do. Did you notice how pissed Sarah Palmer was when this happened? Taking Laura's framed photo and stabbing it repeatedly in some weird loop.

It's really interesting that the Tremonds own the Palmer's house, and that the Chalfonts sold it to them, as these are already lodge entities we know from the original seasons and Fire Walk with Me.

And of course right when Laura hears her name being called she realizes exactly who she is and screams, waking her from the "dream." That's why the lights go out and everything goes black.

There are still so many questions, too many to even list. One of the main ones on my mind is what the hell happened to Audrey? We have a lot of characters seeming to "wake up," Dougie/Coop, Audrey, Diane, and now Laura.

Speaking of Diane, she sees another version of herself outside the motel. When she and Coop check in the motel and car and even the interior of the room look a certain way. But when Coop wakes up and leaves (after reading the note from "Linda" to "Richard) the building, car, and interior are totally different.

At least we now have a full understanding of what the Fireman's conversation with Cooper in Part 1 meant. He told him about 430, Richard and Linda, and the sound the phonograph made, which is the same static, insect sound we hear when Laura disappears as they're walking in the woods. He even tells Cooper that he "is far away." He is indeed.

I did like how the symbol turned into an infinity loop; I think it plays into what's happening here a lot.

Last Edited by Sweetroll Bandit on 09/04/2017 01:48 AM

What a fucking turd of a show. I watched all of them including seasons 1 and 2, and fire walk with me. This shit is like contemporary art, wad up some trash throw it on a bucket and call it art. The amount of wasted time in this series is amazing, wtf are they thinking do a 10min car ride shot with fucking nothing other than the cam panning back and fourth from cooper to laura?? I bet the writers were all jerking off on Lynch as they came up with this script and were all praising each other of their deep intellectual artistic brilliance. Say it with me now...GARBAGE.

On a superficial level, yes it was hard to watch, but on a deeper level Lynch was driving you to hell. After thinking the murder had been stopped, indeed it had not been. How horrifying to "wake up" to a nightmare!

That could have been accomplished in a season that was just 2-4 hours total, though. There was literally no logical or creative justification for at least 75% of the 16 hours of plot that preceded the final 2 episodes.

FFS, Monica Bellucci and several other female performers appeared only to satisfy Lynch's real-life fetishes.

It was all as masterbatory and hollow as Shia LaBeouf's art exhibit, where he wore a paper bag over his head and pretended to be relevant.

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I love how you can say you hated the finale and then be told you are not a TRUE Lynch fan. As if anyone has the right to say what a TRUE Lynch fan is. I guess to some of these people you have to LOVE everything Lynch does and worship him even if he fails to provide any catharsis in his work.

So be it. It is what it is. Season 3 had some incredible moments and I have no regrets taking part in that journey. But, the finale was just about unwatchable with him returning to the drawn out scenes. I get what he may be getting at artistically. However, this, to me is an artist saying "screw you" to so many of his fans.

Parody

Frost: I'll just write a bunch of storyline shit about evil, lodges, satanism, mystery, yadda yadda yadda... more California-speak

Lynch: let's film it and get paid and have fun

Viewer: uhhhhhh... what?

Peakers: Now if this was that then that was this then what was that? Who was that? Where What? When was that? ???????????????

Laura Palmer sure looks older in the preview I saw. Otherwise I have not seen the series. I do not have Netflix.

I'll admit I didn't expect 'tied in a pretty bow' endings. That being said, I wish 17 had been the finale because it was the stronger/better episode imo. The part I put in bold just frustrated the hell out of me. Talk about a scene I thought would never fucking end.

In regards to the very long car journey, I interpreted it as it having been a long, long road and journey back for both Cooper and Laura.

Loved episode 17, not so much 18 but I put that down to my own preconceived expectations of a mind-blowing ending.

I still want a season 4. I think if it goes ahead, we will get a better understanding of what universe/dimension each bit has been playing out in and who knows, by the time any future season get done, we may have, with some re-editing, some new versions to watch with their correct timelines and storylines (which may be L&F's longer-term intention). Now that would be something new, different and game-changing in the way a series was done!

I'm thinking that the hotel room scene with Diane and Dale was because some sort of sexual energy was needed to get to the place where Dale wanted to get to to find Laura.

Diane was obviously uneasy about having sex with Dale and covered his face up with her hands because he reminded her of the rape by Bad Cooper.

The kisses were probably to ensure that they knew they were the real Diane and Dale (because there is another Diane hanging around wherever they are).

So now we know Diane is Naido and also Linda in whatever Universe/dimension they drove into.

very interesting conclusion, plenty to think about

My theory right now (and it will evolve) is that when Coop and Diane were on the highway and drove through the portal, that they were actually exiting Cooper's dream world (which has existed the whole series?) and entering real life. "Coop" in real life is actually an FBI guy in Odessa, TX named Richard. He is part "Evil Coop", part "Good Coop". A Yin and Yang normal kinda guy. "Diane" is Linda in real life. She split after having sex with Richard in the middle of which she was having a flashback of being raped by "Evil Coop"/BOB. That's why she was covering his face. Of course at the end "Laura" (Mrs. Page in real life) has the flashback/bleedthrough and we don't know what is real and not.

But what is "real life" or not has no meaning at this point. We are nearly becoming Jeffries - a consciousness devoid of real mass. A vapor. Able to access moments in time with ease.

Odessa name: Ukrainian meaning place name. Greek meaning full of wrath. Feminine form of Odysseus (M), therefore meaning odyssey. the Greeks borrowed the word Odessa came from, meaning "marine".



Last Edited by GGAllin on 09/04/2017 07:52 AM

Great season! I loved it! Best thing on tv!

There was a film called Little Odessa, starring Tim Roth as an assassin.

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Fucking loved it. Liked 18 more than 17 even, more my style, a long nights drive and a Valero.

The credits in 18 show Sheryl Lee as Laura and Carrie, but Laura Dern is only listed as Diane.

No mention of the (apparently real) house-owner either.

Except for a few loose ends, namely Audrey's coma/nuthouse explanation, Red/Shelly and Red's sparkle gang, and did Steven kill Becky leading up to his apparant suicide, episode 17 pretty much wrapped up everything non-Laura. Episode 18 seems to be the start down another path, and maybe along a different timeline. And hopefully a new season.

Last Edited by Live From the Metaverse on 09/04/2017 01:35 PM

I wonder if the 'real' Dale Cooper went back to Janey-E's...?

This review offered as good an explanation of Twin Peaks 17/18 episodes as I've seen. It did set up for a 4th season, but as a vehicle for encouraging us to question the nature of our reality and the world we think we live in, maybe season 3 did its job.

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Nice summary

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Windom Earle: Your name, please?
Major Briggs: Garland Briggs.
Windom Earle: Garland, what do you fear most... in the world?
Major Briggs: The possibility that love is not enough.

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