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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73598089 Canada 05/10/2017 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: until you can furnish proof beyond your own wild ravings, I'll call BULLSHIT on your claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8080014 Here's some history of the piece you only THINK you know about: In 2003-4 the DAVID was given a thorough curated cleaning - the first in over 122 years. Before they began, a team of 170 specialists microscopically examined every square inch of that marble -including X-rays to reveal any inherant weaknesses the stone may have hidden for the past 500 years. NONE were found that posed a serious threat to its safety! Here's why: Before Michaelangelo would ever take up his chisel, he would first examine his stone -sometimes for months- inspecting for flaws that would effect his artistry before, during and after his work. He would tap the blocks with small mallets, his trained stonecutter's ear tuned to the ring of purity. He would pour water over the stone to watch where it seeped below the surface to reveal hidden fissures. He found none. In this stone, the greatest flaw was another artist. The stone used for the DAVID was commonly called the "Duccio Column" after sculptor Agostino diDuccio, who used the 17-ft piece of Carrara to begin a marble version of his earlier terra-cotta sculpture of Hercules; but, he gouged too deeply into the lower center of the stone and for the next 40 years all artists -until Michaelangelo- considered the marble totally ruined. Ever wonder why the DAVID's body is twisted at the hips, inclining toward the right with the shoulders thrust back? That's how Michaelangelo had to pose the figure to compensate for the deep gouge and to maintain not only an artistic balance but an engineering one, as well: without that subtle shift of weight, the legs and ankles of the statue could never support the top-heavy mass above.... the tree stump behind DAVID's left leg also serves as a brace. When the statue was placed in the Piazza Signoria in Sept 1504 protestors [acolytes of the deposed Fr. Savaronola - a fanatical Priest who decried most artwork as heretical]stoned it as being obscene. In 1512, lightening struck the pedestal, but caused little damage other than severe scorching. DAVID's right arm was broken during a wild riot in 1527 when a bench was thrown from a window above. The arm stayed broken off for 16 years. In 1843, "restorers" cleaned the surface with Hydrochloric Acid and destroyed the protective finish that Michaelangelo had buffed into the surface over 300 years before - the same surface that had survived God's storms, blistering heatwaves, blizzards and anything that man himself could test against it. You can still see the scratches their wire brushes made in their botched attempt of restoration. The statue still remained outdoors for another 30 years before the Galleria dell' Accademia was built for it's permanent home. When the Il'Gigante was finally moved in 1873 a full, detailed casting was taken by the Antonini family - specializing in casting works for bronzes, they were simply the finest craftmen in Italy. The family retained the reproduction rights of their moulds and they have remained the only source for authentic copies. Even today the Antonini's retain that original mould, but since 1843 only allow castings to be taken every 85 years! In my collection, I have direct-casts from those originals of DAVID's face and right hand taken just before the moulds were again withdrawn - no more castings will be allowed until 2075! I was VERY lucky to get mine! Let me tell you: it is utterly humbling to feel under DAVID's curled fingers and feel the deep marks Michaelangelo's chisels made; totally hidden from view [and inaccessable to Galleria visitors] they provide mute testament to the Maestro's sheer genius at age 26 when he began his masterpiece. Once it was moved indoors, it still wasn't safe. In 1991 a deranged painter attacked the statue with a hammer, shattering the second toe of the left foot. Restorers were able to identify microscopic bits and discovered that the DAVID's marble was originally quarried from Miseglia. Under much protest, that toe was repaired using the broken chips, matching marble dust and resin. At the same same, resin was carefully injected into any surface fissures for added protection agianst erosion and to add structural integrity. After the cleaning of 2003-4 the DAVID was also studied to insulate it against excessive vibrations within the Accademia. This concept was abandoned since massive restructuring of the Galleria foundation would have been involved, with the DAVID removed from public view for several years. Instead, viewing hours were reduced to cut the volume of potentially-damaging foot-traffic. I do NOT believe this work that has endured for over 500 years would suddenly "collapse" and have personally been unable to verify any dates when the Accademia was closed long enough to replace the original with a copy... and, BTW: such a move could NOT be accomplished "overnight"! SO: until you -as the OP- can positively confirm same, I'm calling a very loud, Florentinian.... Thank you for this tremendous post! Posts like this make GLP live. I've always been amazed at Michelangelo's artistry since I discovered it as a kid before the computer age. He said he labored harder than any man before him had done. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855087 United States 05/10/2017 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: until you can furnish proof beyond your own wild ravings, I'll call BULLSHIT on your claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8080014 Here's some history of the piece you only THINK you know about: In 2003-4 the DAVID was given a thorough curated cleaning - the first in over 122 years. Before they began, a team of 170 specialists microscopically examined every square inch of that marble -including X-rays to reveal any inherant weaknesses the stone may have hidden for the past 500 years. NONE were found that posed a serious threat to its safety! Here's why: Before Michaelangelo would ever take up his chisel, he would first examine his stone -sometimes for months- inspecting for flaws that would effect his artistry before, during and after his work. He would tap the blocks with small mallets, his trained stonecutter's ear tuned to the ring of purity. He would pour water over the stone to watch where it seeped below the surface to reveal hidden fissures. He found none. In this stone, the greatest flaw was another artist. The stone used for the DAVID was commonly called the "Duccio Column" after sculptor Agostino diDuccio, who used the 17-ft piece of Carrara to begin a marble version of his earlier terra-cotta sculpture of Hercules; but, he gouged too deeply into the lower center of the stone and for the next 40 years all artists -until Michaelangelo- considered the marble totally ruined. Ever wonder why the DAVID's body is twisted at the hips, inclining toward the right with the shoulders thrust back? That's how Michaelangelo had to pose the figure to compensate for the deep gouge and to maintain not only an artistic balance but an engineering one, as well: without that subtle shift of weight, the legs and ankles of the statue could never support the top-heavy mass above.... the tree stump behind DAVID's left leg also serves as a brace. When the statue was placed in the Piazza Signoria in Sept 1504 protestors [acolytes of the deposed Fr. Savaronola - a fanatical Priest who decried most artwork as heretical]stoned it as being obscene. In 1512, lightening struck the pedestal, but caused little damage other than severe scorching. DAVID's right arm was broken during a wild riot in 1527 when a bench was thrown from a window above. The arm stayed broken off for 16 years. In 1843, "restorers" cleaned the surface with Hydrochloric Acid and destroyed the protective finish that Michaelangelo had buffed into the surface over 300 years before - the same surface that had survived God's storms, blistering heatwaves, blizzards and anything that man himself could test against it. You can still see the scratches their wire brushes made in their botched attempt of restoration. The statue still remained outdoors for another 30 years before the Galleria dell' Accademia was built for it's permanent home. When the Il'Gigante was finally moved in 1873 a full, detailed casting was taken by the Antonini family - specializing in casting works for bronzes, they were simply the finest craftmen in Italy. The family retained the reproduction rights of their moulds and they have remained the only source for authentic copies. Even today the Antonini's retain that original mould, but since 1843 only allow castings to be taken every 85 years! In my collection, I have direct-casts from those originals of DAVID's face and right hand taken just before the moulds were again withdrawn - no more castings will be allowed until 2075! I was VERY lucky to get mine! Let me tell you: it is utterly humbling to feel under DAVID's curled fingers and feel the deep marks Michaelangelo's chisels made; totally hidden from view [and inaccessable to Galleria visitors] they provide mute testament to the Maestro's sheer genius at age 26 when he began his masterpiece. Once it was moved indoors, it still wasn't safe. In 1991 a deranged painter attacked the statue with a hammer, shattering the second toe of the left foot. Restorers were able to identify microscopic bits and discovered that the DAVID's marble was originally quarried from Miseglia. Under much protest, that toe was repaired using the broken chips, matching marble dust and resin. At the same same, resin was carefully injected into any surface fissures for added protection agianst erosion and to add structural integrity. After the cleaning of 2003-4 the DAVID was also studied to insulate it against excessive vibrations within the Accademia. This concept was abandoned since massive restructuring of the Galleria foundation would have been involved, with the DAVID removed from public view for several years. Instead, viewing hours were reduced to cut the volume of potentially-damaging foot-traffic. I do NOT believe this work that has endured for over 500 years would suddenly "collapse" and have personally been unable to verify any dates when the Accademia was closed long enough to replace the original with a copy... and, BTW: such a move could NOT be accomplished "overnight"! SO: until you -as the OP- can positively confirm same, I'm calling a very loud, Florentinian.... Brilliant, astute, rebuttal.... I love that GLP houses those rare hidden gems with art history knowledge. I smell the corridors and gardens of Firenze with your descriptive witty post. Agreed... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47336975 United States 05/10/2017 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who gives a flying fuck about a stupid statue? Man you witches are retarded... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74857124 There are millions of people who CARE about the most precious statue on Earth. Please GTFO of my thread. Things that are ancient are fascinating ND precious. But they are things and all things decay and fall to ruin. 10,000 years from now nothing which we recognize but the mountains and the sees shall stand. Impermanence. |
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(OP) User ID: 73675720 United States 05/13/2017 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: until you can furnish proof beyond your own wild ravings, I'll call BULLSHIT on your claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8080014 Here's some history of the piece you only THINK you know about: In 2003-4 the DAVID was given a thorough curated cleaning - the first in over 122 years. Before they began, a team of 170 specialists microscopically examined every square inch of that marble -including X-rays to reveal any inherant weaknesses the stone may have hidden for the past 500 years. NONE were found that posed a serious threat to its safety! Here's why: Before Michaelangelo would ever take up his chisel, he would first examine his stone -sometimes for months- inspecting for flaws that would effect his artistry before, during and after his work. He would tap the blocks with small mallets, his trained stonecutter's ear tuned to the ring of purity. He would pour water over the stone to watch where it seeped below the surface to reveal hidden fissures. He found none. In this stone, the greatest flaw was another artist. The stone used for the DAVID was commonly called the "Duccio Column" after sculptor Agostino diDuccio, who used the 17-ft piece of Carrara to begin a marble version of his earlier terra-cotta sculpture of Hercules; but, he gouged too deeply into the lower center of the stone and for the next 40 years all artists -until Michaelangelo- considered the marble totally ruined. Ever wonder why the DAVID's body is twisted at the hips, inclining toward the right with the shoulders thrust back? That's how Michaelangelo had to pose the figure to compensate for the deep gouge and to maintain not only an artistic balance but an engineering one, as well: without that subtle shift of weight, the legs and ankles of the statue could never support the top-heavy mass above.... the tree stump behind DAVID's left leg also serves as a brace. When the statue was placed in the Piazza Signoria in Sept 1504 protestors [acolytes of the deposed Fr. Savaronola - a fanatical Priest who decried most artwork as heretical]stoned it as being obscene. In 1512, lightening struck the pedestal, but caused little damage other than severe scorching. DAVID's right arm was broken during a wild riot in 1527 when a bench was thrown from a window above. The arm stayed broken off for 16 years. In 1843, "restorers" cleaned the surface with Hydrochloric Acid and destroyed the protective finish that Michaelangelo had buffed into the surface over 300 years before - the same surface that had survived God's storms, blistering heatwaves, blizzards and anything that man himself could test against it. You can still see the scratches their wire brushes made in their botched attempt of restoration. The statue still remained outdoors for another 30 years before the Galleria dell' Accademia was built for it's permanent home. When the Il'Gigante was finally moved in 1873 a full, detailed casting was taken by the Antonini family - specializing in casting works for bronzes, they were simply the finest craftmen in Italy. The family retained the reproduction rights of their moulds and they have remained the only source for authentic copies. Even today the Antonini's retain that original mould, but since 1843 only allow castings to be taken every 85 years! In my collection, I have direct-casts from those originals of DAVID's face and right hand taken just before the moulds were again withdrawn - no more castings will be allowed until 2075! I was VERY lucky to get mine! Let me tell you: it is utterly humbling to feel under DAVID's curled fingers and feel the deep marks Michaelangelo's chisels made; totally hidden from view [and inaccessable to Galleria visitors] they provide mute testament to the Maestro's sheer genius at age 26 when he began his masterpiece. Once it was moved indoors, it still wasn't safe. In 1991 a deranged painter attacked the statue with a hammer, shattering the second toe of the left foot. Restorers were able to identify microscopic bits and discovered that the DAVID's marble was originally quarried from Miseglia. Under much protest, that toe was repaired using the broken chips, matching marble dust and resin. At the same same, resin was carefully injected into any surface fissures for added protection agianst erosion and to add structural integrity. After the cleaning of 2003-4 the DAVID was also studied to insulate it against excessive vibrations within the Accademia. This concept was abandoned since massive restructuring of the Galleria foundation would have been involved, with the DAVID removed from public view for several years. Instead, viewing hours were reduced to cut the volume of potentially-damaging foot-traffic. I do NOT believe this work that has endured for over 500 years would suddenly "collapse" and have personally been unable to verify any dates when the Accademia was closed long enough to replace the original with a copy... and, BTW: such a move could NOT be accomplished "overnight"! SO: until you -as the OP- can positively confirm same, I'm calling a very loud, Florentinian.... Unfortunately, you don't have any information from the past decade. Another problem: there is no official announcement of David's collapse; it was kept a secret for many obvious reasons. I have 1 degree of seperation from David's curator (Galleria dell'Accademia). He is a close friend of my mentor. Like I mentioned before, my mentor and the curator both once held the 2nd highest positions in the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite (the curator still does, I believe). We are not talking about degrees of Masonry - we are talking about the Supreme Council. Recent publications about the risk of David's collapse: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] [link to www.bbc.com] [link to www.latimes.com] There are countless other publications about the risk of his collapse. This catastrophe was expected, and a 3D printer was used to create a bew David and the finest masons were sent from all over the globe to create an identical replica. The remains of the collapsed statue and the replica, likely on-site, in a vault, was immediately installed. I am not sure if it is possible to repair the original statue or where the broken pieces reside. It is also possible that a very powerful entity obtained the REAL REAL statue hundreds of years ago, and the "real" David was on public display that was destroyed was also a replica. Last Edited by lawless777 on 10/11/2018 09:06 PM ORDO AB CHAO |
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User ID: 76368645 Canada 10/11/2018 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One star? Really? Quoting: lawless777 At least reply and let me know why you deemed my thread worthy of JUST one star. Because you pull a story out of your ass and expect us to unconditionally believe it! When you present a story without proof it's nothing more than just a story and is to be taken with a grain of sand the size of my truck!!! 1* 1) OF COURSE THERE'S NO PROOF! Why would the curator announce that the most PRECIOUS statue on EARTH was destroyed!?!? 2) My best friend, teacher and mentor was once second to the Grand Commander, the highest ranking Mason in the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction. He stepped down due to evil, demonic, federal infiltration of the counsel. I am not sure if David's curator is still in the Supreme Council. He is a very dear friend of my mentor. 3) New technology was used to fuse the rubble back together and David is now 100%. 4) The best shamans in the world were summoned to transfer the ACTUAL SOUL OF DAVID from the original fallen David to the new David. 5) This is what Michaelangelo would've wanted. For all we know, he still walks the Earth and assisted in the process. Please let me know if you have any questions. I asked my mentor if he'd put me in contact with the curator of the museum. 1. Shamans dont have control over souls, they can however pray for stone statues to be possessed by demons. Thats their domain... 2. The Lord of all Creation, said dont make statues as people tend to worship them....as gods. So though the statue may be beautiful, look away and dont worship its beauty or spirit or spirits. 4 King David is dead, and his successor which the Masons want as their Messiah, and leader is the End Time Messiah... the AC. We Christians however get the famous and long awaited true descendant of David from his loins not from heaven, End Time David, also noted as one of the 2 Witnesses of Revelation 5. So Yes, the devils are interested in the King David Statue made by Michangelo who was Illuminati educated, and Mystery school educated, and PHI educated in beauty and demensions and power. And NO Michaelangelo was no angel, in his position in the dark side. 6. And NO Masons are not modern day Templars, they took them over long ago, from light to darkness. 7. Yes Masons and the Illuminati love relics andarks for show and power to pretend they have power as people worship power rather than the real qulaities of life and LOVE SEE why they rejected JESUS.... |
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User ID: 74867662 United States 10/11/2018 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: until you can furnish proof beyond your own wild ravings, I'll call BULLSHIT on your claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8080014 Here's some history of the piece you only THINK you know about: In 2003-4 the DAVID was given a thorough curated cleaning - the first in over 122 years. Before they began, a team of 170 specialists microscopically examined every square inch of that marble -including X-rays to reveal any inherant weaknesses the stone may have hidden for the past 500 years. NONE were found that posed a serious threat to its safety! Here's why: Before Michaelangelo would ever take up his chisel, he would first examine his stone -sometimes for months- inspecting for flaws that would effect his artistry before, during and after his work. He would tap the blocks with small mallets, his trained stonecutter's ear tuned to the ring of purity. He would pour water over the stone to watch where it seeped below the surface to reveal hidden fissures. He found none. In this stone, the greatest flaw was another artist. The stone used for the DAVID was commonly called the "Duccio Column" after sculptor Agostino diDuccio, who used the 17-ft piece of Carrara to begin a marble version of his earlier terra-cotta sculpture of Hercules; but, he gouged too deeply into the lower center of the stone and for the next 40 years all artists -until Michaelangelo- considered the marble totally ruined. Ever wonder why the DAVID's body is twisted at the hips, inclining toward the right with the shoulders thrust back? That's how Michaelangelo had to pose the figure to compensate for the deep gouge and to maintain not only an artistic balance but an engineering one, as well: without that subtle shift of weight, the legs and ankles of the statue could never support the top-heavy mass above.... the tree stump behind DAVID's left leg also serves as a brace. When the statue was placed in the Piazza Signoria in Sept 1504 protestors [acolytes of the deposed Fr. Savaronola - a fanatical Priest who decried most artwork as heretical]stoned it as being obscene. In 1512, lightening struck the pedestal, but caused little damage other than severe scorching. DAVID's right arm was broken during a wild riot in 1527 when a bench was thrown from a window above. The arm stayed broken off for 16 years. In 1843, "restorers" cleaned the surface with Hydrochloric Acid and destroyed the protective finish that Michaelangelo had buffed into the surface over 300 years before - the same surface that had survived God's storms, blistering heatwaves, blizzards and anything that man himself could test against it. You can still see the scratches their wire brushes made in their botched attempt of restoration. The statue still remained outdoors for another 30 years before the Galleria dell' Accademia was built for it's permanent home. When the Il'Gigante was finally moved in 1873 a full, detailed casting was taken by the Antonini family - specializing in casting works for bronzes, they were simply the finest craftmen in Italy. The family retained the reproduction rights of their moulds and they have remained the only source for authentic copies. Even today the Antonini's retain that original mould, but since 1843 only allow castings to be taken every 85 years! In my collection, I have direct-casts from those originals of DAVID's face and right hand taken just before the moulds were again withdrawn - no more castings will be allowed until 2075! I was VERY lucky to get mine! Let me tell you: it is utterly humbling to feel under DAVID's curled fingers and feel the deep marks Michaelangelo's chisels made; totally hidden from view [and inaccessable to Galleria visitors] they provide mute testament to the Maestro's sheer genius at age 26 when he began his masterpiece. Once it was moved indoors, it still wasn't safe. In 1991 a deranged painter attacked the statue with a hammer, shattering the second toe of the left foot. Restorers were able to identify microscopic bits and discovered that the DAVID's marble was originally quarried from Miseglia. Under much protest, that toe was repaired using the broken chips, matching marble dust and resin. At the same same, resin was carefully injected into any surface fissures for added protection agianst erosion and to add structural integrity. After the cleaning of 2003-4 the DAVID was also studied to insulate it against excessive vibrations within the Accademia. This concept was abandoned since massive restructuring of the Galleria foundation would have been involved, with the DAVID removed from public view for several years. Instead, viewing hours were reduced to cut the volume of potentially-damaging foot-traffic. I do NOT believe this work that has endured for over 500 years would suddenly "collapse" and have personally been unable to verify any dates when the Accademia was closed long enough to replace the original with a copy... and, BTW: such a move could NOT be accomplished "overnight"! SO: until you -as the OP- can positively confirm same, I'm calling a very loud, Florentinian.... Wow, Well, that sounds pretty darn true. Case Closed without evidence. Seagull Lake |
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User ID: 72795234 United States 10/12/2018 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Michelangelo’s David statue was quietly replaced one night on account of its penis being so abnormally small. It was giving beta cucks too much significance. Last Edited by What is Aleppo on 10/12/2018 05:47 AM Apollo astronauts could not have passed through Van Allen’s Belt; Van Allen wore suspenders. Joanie Loves Tchotchke. “No puppet. No puppet. YOU’RE the puppet.” |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 10/12/2018 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put your master where the sun never Shines. nobody cares About masons. Do you listen, god doesnt care About freemansons. You get rid of Evil. Fun time is over. Quoting: Writer3412 You have no idea what you're talking about. :-/ NEITHER DO YOU, PAL! What you have written here is complete BULLSHIT! BTW: I'm the AC who wrote the lengthy description of DAVID's verifiable history. You know nothing except how to effectively present yourself as an online liar! Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 10/12/2018 11:07 AM |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 10/12/2018 07:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bernini's statue of David is a million times better. A real man that captures the real David. Quoting: Prayandprepare000 Bernini was only a great sculptor until Michaelangelo burst onto the scene like a blinding ray of sunlight. Whereas Bernini and all others were mere copiers - following the traditional representations that had been around since the ancient Greeks- Michaelangelo "humanized" his works and imbued them with a lifelike reality never before seen. And -to this day- that work has never been surpassed. Just as the ancient Egyptians built the towering pyramids, even today -with all of our technological advancments- we cannot duplicate them. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 10/12/2018 11:09 AM |
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User ID: 73442071 South Africa 10/12/2018 08:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bernini's statue of David is a million times better. A real man that captures the real David. Quoting: Prayandprepare000 Bernini was only a great sculptor until Michaelangelo came onto the scne. Whereas Bernini and all others were mere mimics - following the traditional representations that had been around since the ancient Greeks-Michaelangelo 'humanized" his works and imbued them with a lifelike reality never before seen. And -to this day- that work has never been surpassed. That might be or may not. This so called "history" you like to repeat like a good little sheep is not even true. By now you should know that all the "history" you have been taught is all FAKE!! There is enough evidence to support the theory that all the "sculptures" that is presented to us as "renaissances" are all fake and most could only have been produced by 3D printing tech using biopolymer materials. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 10/12/2018 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bernini's statue of David is a million times better. A real man that captures the real David. Quoting: Prayandprepare000 Bernini was only a great sculptor until Michaelangelo came onto the scne. Whereas Bernini and all others were mere mimics - following the traditional representations that had been around since the ancient Greeks-Michaelangelo 'humanized" his works and imbued them with a lifelike reality never before seen. And -to this day- that work has never been surpassed. That might be or may not. This so called "history" you like to repeat like a good little sheep is not even true. By now you should know that all the "history" you have been taught is all FAKE!! There is enough evidence to support the theory that all the "sculptures" that is presented to us as "renaissances" are all fake and most could only have been produced by 3D printing tech using biopolymer materials. As you just provided enough evidence to indicate that you live with your head fully-inserted into your ass. The only things fake in this thread are both th OP's premise and your own. And, if you had ever visited a museum and experienced world-class art up-close-and-in-person you'd realize how idiotic you sound. In addition to direct-casts of fine sculpture, I also collect antiquities - one of which [a terra-cotta jug] that dates back to 1200 B.C.; but my largest collection is of artefacts from ancient Rome... as I write this I am wearing a Bronze Legionaire's ring that is over 1,900 years old - once worn by a soldier who proudly served in Rome's 10th Legion. And, it is neither fake or made of resin. Equally genuine are the knives, tools [including a couple of Roman surgical instruments] and personal objects from the same period [100-200A.D.] on display in my home. These are the things that people actually wore and used in their daily lives and -as hard as this may be for you to believe- it is truly humbling to hold them today, two millennia after they were created. You wonder what kind of men/women these were, how they lived and how they died. And if you are ever lucky enough to hold a small treasure such as these in your own hands, then I can safely say that your immature arrogance would melt away like a winter's snow does every year... unless that too is magically fake! Instead of claiming that history is entirely contrived you may wish instead to LEARN FROM IT so that you don't repeat the same stupidity you just wrote above. BTW: I can PROVE what I have stated. Can you? OF COURSE NOT, because -in the final analysis- you are the sheep and not I! Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 10/12/2018 11:06 AM |
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User ID: 75047635 United States 06/02/2019 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Revelations of Jesus5:5 And one of the elders... saith unto me. "Weep not... behold the 'Lion of Juda', the 'Root of David', hath prevailed to open "The Book"... and to loose the Seven Seals thereof." Peter2:4 To: "Whom Coming"... as unto a "Living Stone". Disallowed indeed of men... but chosen of God and precious. Gospel of Thomas10 Jesus said... "I have cast Fire upon the World... and look I'm guarding it until...It Blazes!" Gospel of Thomas66 Jesus said, "Show me the 'Stone' which the builders have rejected. That 'One' is the Cornerstone." Gospel of Thomas74 He said... "Lord there are many around the drinking trough... but there is nothing in the well." [link to www.rocknrollhimbook.com] Psalm33:3 Sing unto 'Him' a 'New Song'. Play 'SKILLFULLY' with a 'LOUD NOISE'. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75706923 Canada 06/02/2019 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: wisconsin ... read an article some time back that stress lines were found in the marble of david's ankles ... . ... those who knew about it were actually waiting for david to collapse ... . Uhuh. Sure. ... read an article some time ago saying David's ankle were incredibly strong and would never fail... |
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(OP) User ID: 74880793 United States 06/03/2019 03:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: wisconsin ... read an article some time back that stress lines were found in the marble of david's ankles ... . ... those who knew about it were actually waiting for david to collapse ... . Uhuh. Sure. ... read an article some time ago saying David's ankle were incredibly strong and would never fail... False. [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] "Italy: Michelangelo's David at risk from weak ankles. Michelangelo's statue of David risks collapsing under its own weight because of strain on the sculpture's "weak ankles", it's been reported. ... Weak spots were also discovered in the original statue's ankles, after a series of centrifuge tests on plaster replicas." [link to www.bbc.com (secure)] ORDO AB CHAO |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77682465 India 06/03/2019 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no valuable piece of art which has not being swapped for a copy if economically viable, is left in museums. they are all copies...especially those who travel abroad to other museums. often is the owner who land it to send copies without telling it some time museums do it. some others REAL get swapped by FAKES during transport or restoration (!!!) and experts fake certification. Then originals are kept safe or enter private collection. often experts came out of exibitions laughing...at the fakes people were spending 50 euros to see. |
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(OP) User ID: 77663598 United States 06/07/2019 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no valuable piece of art which has not being swapped for a copy if economically viable, is left in museums. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77682465 they are all copies...especially those who travel abroad to other museums. often is the owner who land it to send copies without telling it some time museums do it. some others REAL get swapped by FAKES during transport or restoration (!!!) and experts fake certification. Then originals are kept safe or enter private collection. often experts came out of exibitions laughing...at the fakes people were spending 50 euros to see. This is a great post. Thank you. ORDO AB CHAO |
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(OP) User ID: 77663598 United States 09/10/2019 04:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone know of a man, Theodore who was briefly The Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, I believe? Quoting: lawless777 I was also told that he held the highest position within Masonry in the entire world, but I believe it was just the Supreme Council of maybe the Southern Jurisdiction, unless I'm not connecting the dots here. He is from Texas, in his 20's, very tall, handsome and blonde. He is known to have metaphysical powers, specifically over the astral planes. I believe his title was unjustly stripped and the CIA has infiltrated the Supreme Council. They claimed his bloodline/ancestry wasn't in line No one in his 20s would hold this highest position in Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Just ask C. Fred Kleinknecht. One of my friend's in his early 20's is 32nd degree... Lol Yes, but there’s a huge difference between a 32nd Degree (Master of the Royal Secret) Scottish Rite Freemason and the leader of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. 33 is bestowed upon a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason, and a 20-something year old would not be leader of SR FM. No, he is a family friend. I've had dinner with with him other high degree masons at the Scottish Rite Temple in San Antonio. They were trying to destroy someone else. Quoting: Adytum Another "David". Nice try. Mebbe give up the voodoo and take up some more useful craft. I was told the soul of David was preserved in the statue. Maybe someone was trying to ACTUALLY release his soul. My teacher and mentor holds one of the highest positions within Masonry. He once had the second highest position in the world. There are 7 Masons with the 2nd highest position under 1 Mason with the highest position. Quoting: lawless777 One of the other 7 Masons of the 2nd highest position is the curator of the Galleria dell'Accademia, where David resides. David collapsed, don't know why, but the statue was replaced overnight with an identical replica and the disaster was kept top secret. I am not sure if the original piece was or will be restored, or if the current David is a fake. I will inquire with the Masons and get back to everyone... BTW - this happened a while back, a year or so. Sorry if it's old news for some folks. All "marble" statues are fake. If your "teacher" is a real person he would have told you that it is almost impossible to "chicle" marble, because of all the grains in it, it just cracks. My teacher and mentor holds one of the highest positions within Masonry. He once had the second highest position in the world. There are 7 Masons with the 2nd highest position under 1 Mason with the highest position. Quoting: lawless777 One of the other 7 Masons of the 2nd highest position is the curator of the Galleria dell'Accademia, where David resides. David collapsed, don't know why, but the statue was replaced overnight with an identical replica and the disaster was kept top secret. I am not sure if the original piece was or will be restored, or if the current David is a fake. I will inquire with the Masons and get back to everyone... BTW - this happened a while back, a year or so. Sorry if it's old news for some folks. All "marble" statues are fake. If your "teacher" is a real person he would have told you that it is almost impossible to "chicle" marble, because of all the grains in it, it just cracks. Bullshit. Don't take my word for it. Go and try it for yourself. It is the same nonsense you have been fed when they say the Egyptians used copper chisels and mallets to "carve" basalt. Don't you wonder how it's possible that with current modern technology, we could not POSSIBLY EVEN BEGIN to build the Pyramids of Giza. OP: until you can furnish proof beyond your own wild ravings, I'll call BULLSHIT on your claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8080014 Here's some history of the piece you only THINK you know about: In 2003-4 the DAVID was given a thorough curated cleaning - the first in over 122 years. Before they began, a team of 170 specialists microscopically examined every square inch of that marble -including X-rays to reveal any inherant weaknesses the stone may have hidden for the past 500 years. NONE were found that posed a serious threat to its safety! Here's why: Before Michaelangelo would ever take up his chisel, he would first examine his stone -sometimes for months- inspecting for flaws that would effect his artistry before, during and after his work. He would tap the blocks with small mallets, his trained stonecutter's ear tuned to the ring of purity. He would pour water over the stone to watch where it seeped below the surface to reveal hidden fissures. He found none. In this stone, the greatest flaw was another artist. The stone used for the DAVID was commonly called the "Duccio Column" after sculptor Agostino diDuccio, who used the 17-ft piece of Carrara to begin a marble version of his earlier terra-cotta sculpture of Hercules; but, he gouged too deeply into the lower center of the stone and for the next 40 years all artists -until Michaelangelo- considered the marble totally ruined. Ever wonder why the DAVID's body is twisted at the hips, inclining toward the right with the shoulders thrust back? That's how Michaelangelo had to pose the figure to compensate for the deep gouge and to maintain not only an artistic balance but an engineering one, as well: without that subtle shift of weight, the legs and ankles of the statue could never support the top-heavy mass above.... the tree stump behind DAVID's left leg also serves as a brace. When the statue was placed in the Piazza Signoria in Sept 1504 protestors [acolytes of the deposed Fr. Savaronola - a fanatical Priest who decried most artwork as heretical]stoned it as being obscene. In 1512, lightening struck the pedestal, but caused little damage other than severe scorching. DAVID's right arm was broken during a wild riot in 1527 when a bench was thrown from a window above. The arm stayed broken off for 16 years. In 1843, "restorers" cleaned the surface with Hydrochloric Acid and destroyed the protective finish that Michaelangelo had buffed into the surface over 300 years before - the same surface that had survived God's storms, blistering heatwaves, blizzards and anything that man himself could test against it. You can still see the scratches their wire brushes made in their botched attempt of restoration. The statue still remained outdoors for another 30 years before the Galleria dell' Accademia was built for it's permanent home. When the Il'Gigante was finally moved in 1873 a full, detailed casting was taken by the Antonini family - specializing in casting works for bronzes, they were simply the finest craftmen in Italy. The family retained the reproduction rights of their moulds and they have remained the only source for authentic copies. Even today the Antonini's retain that original mould, but since 1843 only allow castings to be taken every 85 years! In my collection, I have direct-casts from those originals of DAVID's face and right hand taken just before the moulds were again withdrawn - no more castings will be allowed until 2075! I was VERY lucky to get mine! Let me tell you: it is utterly humbling to feel under DAVID's curled fingers and feel the deep marks Michaelangelo's chisels made; totally hidden from view [and inaccessable to Galleria visitors] they provide mute testament to the Maestro's sheer genius at age 26 when he began his masterpiece. Once it was moved indoors, it still wasn't safe. In 1991 a deranged painter attacked the statue with a hammer, shattering the second toe of the left foot. Restorers were able to identify microscopic bits and discovered that the DAVID's marble was originally quarried from Miseglia. Under much protest, that toe was repaired using the broken chips, matching marble dust and resin. At the same same, resin was carefully injected into any surface fissures for added protection agianst erosion and to add structural integrity. After the cleaning of 2003-4 the DAVID was also studied to insulate it against excessive vibrations within the Accademia. This concept was abandoned since massive restructuring of the Galleria foundation would have been involved, with the DAVID removed from public view for several years. Instead, viewing hours were reduced to cut the volume of potentially-damaging foot-traffic. I do NOT believe this work that has endured for over 500 years would suddenly "collapse" and have personally been unable to verify any dates when the Accademia was closed long enough to replace the original with a copy... and, BTW: such a move could NOT be accomplished "overnight"! SO: until you -as the OP- can positively confirm same, I'm calling a very loud, Florentinian.... It is absolutely possible. We are talking THE MASONIC SUPREME COUNCIL in D.C.!!! A REAL STONE MASON could levitate the replica into place and all ALL of the broken pieces up and gently down into a safe area in a few minutes. ORDO AB CHAO |