Guardian angels

God damn it! Who let the jezzus freaks in here?

I've never heard that before. It sounds like a misinterpretation. Jesus is God, he's not an angel which is a creation of God.

Ok, lets put Paul to one side for a moment.

Mark has Jesus as a creation of God (a normal human) who is later adopted by God at his baptism to become the Son of God.

Matthew has Jesus as a creation of God literally the Son of God at the virgin birth from the moment of conception.

Luke has Jesus as a creation of God literally the Son of God at the virgin birth from the moment of conception.

John, who leaves out the virgin birth and the adoption at the baptism is the only one who agrees with you that Jesus, was always God, since before any creation.

As I posted earlier, it's heresy so I don't accept it.

Arianism. A major heresy that arose in the fourth century and denied the divinity of Jesus Christ. First effectively advanced by Arius (256-336), a priest of Alexandria, who denied that there were three distinct divine Persons in God. For Arius, there was only one Person, the Father. According to Arian theory, the Son was created ("There was a time when he was not"). Christ was thus a son of God, not by nature, but only by grace and adoption. This theory logically evacuates the doctrine of the Incarnation of God in Christ of all meaning: if God did not become man, then the world has not been redeemed and the faith itself eventually dissolves. Arianism was formally condemned in 325 by the first ecumenical Council of Nicaea, which formulated and promulgated the original version of the Nicene Creed; but Arianism and Semi-Arianism (see below) nevertheless continued to prevail in its original form in many areas for more than a century. Arianism was combatted by the great St. Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373) among others; but the heresy nevertheless persisted, especially among the barbarians, for several centuries.

I think it is important to point out that Paul is actually the only author of the NT that scholars believe is authentic.

There are many more reasons to trust the words of Paul, than the anonymous author of the Gospel of "John", even though it is impossible at this point to know if the author of John was a liar or if his views simply reflect how the views of the Christian community had developed as a whole, if you read Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke and John in order, you can clearly see the development of the different Christology that each author has and the differences between their beliefs about Jesus.

There is also a strong consensus among critical scholars that the author of "John" never met Jesus.... and there is something very interesting about the sayings of Jesus from the gospel of John... even though it was the last Gospel to be written, neither Paul, "Mark", "Matthew" or "Luke" had ever heard of any of those sayings of Jesus that are found in "John" BUT they were all written before "John" and ALL of the Gospels were written after the death of Jesus, so where did "John" get these sayings from? and why hadn't any of the authors before him ever heard of them?

We're getting off topic here, I'll just say this. To deny that Jesus is God is the heresy of Arianism.

Arianism. A major heresy that arose in the fourth century and denied the divinity of Jesus Christ. First effectively advanced by Arius (256-336), a priest of Alexandria, who denied that there were three distinct divine Persons in God. For Arius, there was only one Person, the Father. According to Arian theory, the Son was created ("There was a time when he was not"). Christ was thus a son of God, not by nature, but only by grace and adoption. This theory logically evacuates the doctrine of the Incarnation of God in Christ of all meaning: if God did not become man, then the world has not been redeemed and the faith itself eventually dissolves. Arianism was formally condemned in 325 by the first ecumenical Council of Nicaea, which formulated and promulgated the original version of the Nicene Creed; but Arianism and Semi-Arianism (see below) nevertheless continued to prevail in its original form in many areas for more than a century. Arianism was combatted by the great St. Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373) among others; but the heresy nevertheless persisted, especially among the barbarians, for several centuries.