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President Trump on a twitter rampage-Accuses Obama of wiretapping phones

 
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and Trump doesn't need the FISA Court, because
the Patriot Act Trumps the FISA Court.
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If that is the way it works then that would also apply to the ex president also, correct?

So many folks are starting to feel utterly betrayed.
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no. The Patriot Act is not Blanket Martial Law.

The Patriot Act only applies when it is officially invoked
for specific persons, people or situations.

so, if Obama didn't invoke The Patriot Act, then he
is acting under the NDAA.
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I wish this was all clearer. I do know that all my demonrat friends are suddenly very quiet.
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and Trump doesn't need the FISA Court, because
the Patriot Act Trumps the FISA Court.
 Quoting: freddie 0


If that is the way it works then that would also apply to the ex president also, correct?

So many folks are starting to feel utterly betrayed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71550626


no. The Patriot Act is not Blanket Martial Law.

The Patriot Act only applies when it is officially invoked
for specific persons, people or situations.

so, if Obama didn't invoke The Patriot Act, then he
is acting under the NDAA.
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I wish this was all clearer. I do know that all my demonrat friends are suddenly very quiet.
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well, this is certainly as far as i know anything about either one.
so...
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I don't see how the MSM ignores this.
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Twitter will be Trumo's demise, you watch...

I heard that unless there is a camera(s) in the room that his staff do their best to avoid Trump.

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Let me guess. You heard this from CNN. From MSNBC. From CNN. From the NYT. From WaPo.
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Nope, Uncle is Maintenance man at WH and cousin is custodian at Trump towers


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In support of Trump's charges against the media of fake news, would it be reasonable to ask that the media resolve not to print any Trump assertion that he hasn't supported with evidence ??

Seems fair doesn't it?
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In support of Trump's charges against the media of fake news, would it be reasonable to ask that the media resolve not to print any Trump assertion that he hasn't supported with evidence ??

Seems fair doesn't it?
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Trump doesn't tell lies.
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It is without a doubt that Obama knew of the FISA order for the wiretap and that he was aware of everything that was going on. Did he order it? This will be one of many questions in the days ahead...What will happen in the days ahead? I pray for this nation...
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In support of Trump's charges against the media of fake news, would it be reasonable to ask that the media resolve not to print any Trump assertion that he hasn't supported with evidence ??

Seems fair doesn't it?
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A deeply buried detail in today’s New York Times article on the subject has huge implications for Trump and his team:

But a senior White House official said that Donald F. McGahn II, the president’s chief counsel, was working on Saturday to secure access to what Mr. McGahn believed was an order issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing some form of surveillance related to Mr. Trump and his associates.

The official offered no evidence to support the notion that such an order exists. If one does, it would be highly unusual for a White House to order the Justice Department to turn over such an investigative document, given the traditional independence of law enforcement matters.

This is extremely important for two reasons.
Even if it doesn’t exist, the fact that it has spooked the White House enough to go looking for the FISA warrant is an admission of guilt in itself.

If it does exist, as the White House counsel clearly believes it does, it means that three federal judges had enough evidence that Donald Trump’s election campaign was infiltrated by foreign agents to issue a wiretap. 
Secondly, it is a huge breach of protocol for the White House to interfere with an ongoing Department of Justice investigation. While not technically illegal, it is extremely unethical for the White House counsel to be meddling in the affairs of the DOJ, especially when the investigation is targeted at members of the current administration.
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In support of Trump's charges against the media of fake news, would it be reasonable to ask that the media resolve not to print any Trump assertion that he hasn't supported with evidence ??

Seems fair doesn't it?
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Trump doesn't tell lies.
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That wasn't the question...but OKAY.
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In support of Trump's charges against the media of fake news, would it be reasonable to ask that the media resolve not to print any Trump assertion that he hasn't supported with evidence ??

Seems fair doesn't it?
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The assertion is news. You can't be that dumb.
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GAME OVER FOR THE OBAMA REGIME. PREPARE FOR RIOTS AND MASS CIVIL UNREST

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Apparently, all you have to do is accuse someone of espionage, then you are allowed to wire-tap them.
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White House asks Congress to probe whether Obama ordered wiretap

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White House asks Congress to probe whether Obama ordered wiretap

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Yep, we won't hear any more from trump on this subject according to spicer:


(1/4) Reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling.

(2/4) President Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the congressional intelligence committees

(3/4) exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016.

(4/4) Neither the White House nor the President will comment further until such oversight is conducted.
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In support of Trump's charges against the media of fake news, would it be reasonable to ask that the media resolve not to print any Trump assertion that he hasn't supported with evidence ??

Seems fair doesn't it?
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The assertion is news. You can't be that dumb.
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Trump's latest 'assertion' that Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump Tower is fully unfounded..that's what's known as fake news.

"President Trump has gone completely off the deep end, with some of his senior staff appearing to be walking away from his statements.

To recap: On Saturday morning, Trump tweeted an unfounded allegation that former President Barack Obama was listening in on his phone calls during the campaign, calling it “McCarthyism” and likening the supposed wiretapping to “Nixon/Watergate.” Obama spokespeople quickly shot down Trump’s claims, saying there was no wiretapping ordered on Trump Tower. Both Democrats and Republicans in Congress called on President Trump to submit evidence to back up his claims, which he has not yet done as of this writing.

Then, on Saturday evening, MSNBC producer Kyle Griffin tweeted that “senior U.S. officials” in the Trump White House confided to NBC News that they had no information that would substantiate Trump’s claims:"
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The NSA has recordings of every conversation he had...this is ludicrous of course it was tapped...lol
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White House asks Congress to probe whether Obama ordered wiretap

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Yep, we won't hear any more from trump on this subject according to spicer:


(1/4) Reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling.

(2/4) President Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the congressional intelligence committees

(3/4) exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016.

(4/4) Neither the White House nor the President will comment further until such oversight is conducted.
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Hopefully, Trump has now has Jeff Sessions drawing up a FISA court requests for phone taps on all parties involved.
See how that works Democraps?


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CNN Headline: Trump's baseless wiretap claim

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What a bunch of hypocrites! For months they have floated baseless Russian conspiracies at fact. Now they demand hard evidence before believing claims?
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Yep. It's laughable. I've been seeing the hypocrisy of the left for almost 20 years and I'm sick of it.
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They need to be bugging O's mansion immediately...that is ground zero for treasonous activity...
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They need to be bugging O's mansion immediately...that is ground zero for treasonous activity...
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Trump has legit standing to go after them with a LEGIT FISA request of his own now.

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GAME OVER FOR THE OBAMA REGIME. PREPARE FOR RIOTS AND MASS CIVIL UNREST

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Apparently, all you have to do is accuse someone of espionage, then you are allowed to wire-tap them.
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..which is espionage.
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Is this the backlash card actually being played?
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I don't think you have seen the real backlash yet.

This battle for who really controls the government is just getting started.
Illegal corrupt Shadow Government versus the duly Elected Government.

These are just the early shots being fired.


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Yep. Trump took down the "establishment" R candidates, then took down the "establishment" D candidate and now he is fighting for control.

For anyone paying attention during the last, idk, several election cycles (although it likely has been going on for many decades) primaries are rigged for the "shadow" gov choice. The Dems do it with super delegates, the Reps do it by flooding the field and the "choice" has the funds to hold out until the end. The shadow .gov makes us think we have a choice, but in reality, we only get to choose between their R an D candidate, or uniparty, candidate.

This time around, the R party was taken by surprise. They were prepared for a challenge with the money and popularity to outlast them.
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So if Trump Towers were wire tapped then there was probable cause to do so?
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If memory serves me correctly, there are 2 Russian banks that have rented space in Trump Towers. That is not cause for suspicion or wiretaps. Surely, there are other banks and businesses with space rented in Trump Towers also.
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Yep, Obama goes to the FISA court and says "we have evidence of electronic communications to Russia and it maybe something bad" and get's a wiretap on the grounds of "national security".

Next thing you know they are listening to Trump's phone calls and gathering political info to be used against him.

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So if Trump Towers were wire tapped then there was probable cause to do so?
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If memory serves me correctly, there are 2 Russian banks that have rented space in Trump Towers. That is not cause for suspicion or wiretaps. Surely, there are other banks and businesses with space rented in Trump Towers also.
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Yep, Obama goes to the FISA court and says "we have evidence of electronic communications to Russia and it maybe something bad" and get's a wiretap on the grounds of "national security".

Next thing you know they are listening to Trump's phone calls and gathering political info to be used against him.
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It's what Totalitarian regimes do...they create blacklists, dossiers/files on people and start tapping phone lines and listening to their conversations.
Then they try to kill or destroy those who oppose them.

North Korea anyone?


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Everybody has to understand the power of the President, he determines what's classify and whats not. He could make the Justice Department and the Deep State very nervous and prove Edward Joseph Snowden correct in all his leaks. He could show what the Deep State is really doing to the American people. If they would do this to a presidential candidate, then know one is off limits. I pray for America and the President!
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No, it could't be. Because if it was, the proof and case would have been made BEFORE THE CUNT OBUMMER LEFT OFFICE. But it wasn't, so nothing was there, nothing was found. So, SUCK IT DEM, YOU LOST...AGAIN.
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If a judge authorizes surveillance of communications on reasonable grounds, the authorization isn't retroactively illegal just because the surveillance doesn't lead to an indictment. Jut like if the police have a search warrant and find nothing ... the search was still legal.
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But not if the reason was bullshit to start. Not if the judge was fed misinformation. FISA seems to be the way to go if a .gov entity wants to listen in on anyone without proof of a crime. And that is exactly what seems to have happened in this case.
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So to make this stick you need evidence that the evidence presented to the judge was untrue or misleading, and that and then you need evidence that Obama was aware that the evidence was untrue or misleading. I think he can sleep easy, unless the huge number of people on this board calling for summary execution get their way.
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Flimsy, very flimsy evidence. And you have your head in the sand if you think Obummer didn't know of this or approve it, as opposed to "ordered" it. He's done it before. Rosen, Bibi, Irs. Now, it could very well be the clintoons that ordered it and Obummer approved it, but, that doesn't remove the "political" illegal nature of it.

There is more truth to this being Watergate 2.0 than there is that Trump colluded with Russians to win the election. The Dems pushed the russia thing way too far and now they are going to receive push back.





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