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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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I have been on since the beginning.

QUIT TAKING THE BATE TO DERAIL!
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You are right! Even I, after giving the advise not to engage, engage.

I hope Crunch will come back with his valuable contribution, and we must all ignore the asshole AC!
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Fine. OP geo is complimenting the fucking useless troll and you are giving me shit. I have been on this thread since day one. I'm gone. You all have a nice day.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Please don't go. I did not mean to start shit with you, Crunch. Please don't take things personally.

I am sure you must be under a lot of stress with your wife and the damn dam.

I am nobody on this thread. You have kept it together and informative. I have nothing but the greatest respect for you!

Please don't go!!

:pray:
 Quoting: Rollo's Daughter


He's a big baby and lashes out with threats of violence against people who call out his unfounded fantasies.

He threw a big tantrum because he wasn't smart enough to see Geo's sarcasm.

He thinks being here from the start gives him some special privilege.

Outside of the comedic value, I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

It wont even last a day though. He'll be back because he's mentally ill and won't be able to stay away. Bet me.
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Why don't YOU go? Problem solved.
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Crunch will find a reason to bitch, complain and be an internet tough guy with or without me here.

Imagine if you said any of this stuff to him. All I've done is bother to ask critical questions and point out the abject lunacy from these regulars. All they can fall back on is "I've been here since the beginning", as if that earns them some reward.
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Hey Crunch,

Many people will miss your valuable contrubutions should you leave the thread. You/we will also miss the ability to share your unique perspective.

Please reconsider.
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Hey Crunch,

Many people will miss your valuable contrubutions should you leave the thread. You/we will also miss the ability to share your unique perspective.

Please reconsider.
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bump
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Why respond? It is AI!
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Fine. ...simmering...
 Quoting: Crunch62


yeah, but that's why they do it. it'snot about YOU
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Fine. OP geo is complimenting the fucking useless troll and you are giving me shit. I have been on this thread since day one. I'm gone. You all have a nice day.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Nah, I’m just reverse trolling. I know how they work and what feeds them so I was just making a snarky response. It wasn’t an actual compliment.
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2’ from overtopping. Bright sunny day yet the live cam has been darkened. Nothing to see here.
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2’ from overtopping. Bright sunny day yet the live cam has been darkened. Nothing to see here.
[link to imgur.com (secure)]
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I was wondering why the live cam was so dark.
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yeah, but that's why they do it. it'snot about YOU
 Quoting: Rollo's Daughter


Fine. OP geo is complimenting the fucking useless troll and you are giving me shit. I have been on this thread since day one. I'm gone. You all have a nice day.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Please don't go. I did not mean to start shit with you, Crunch. Please don't take things personally.

I am sure you must be under a lot of stress with your wife and the damn dam.

I am nobody on this thread. You have kept it together and informative. I have nothing but the greatest respect for you!

Please don't go!!

pray
 Quoting: Rollo's Daughter


He's a big baby and lashes out with threats of violence against people who call out his unfounded fantasies.

He threw a big tantrum because he wasn't smart enough to see Geo's sarcasm.

He thinks being here from the start gives him some special privilege.

Outside of the comedic value, I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

It wont even last a day though. He'll be back because he's mentally ill and won't be able to stay away. Bet me.
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KNOBHEAD
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Fine. OP geo is complimenting the fucking useless troll and you are giving me shit. I have been on this thread since day one. I'm gone. You all have a nice day.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Please don't go. I did not mean to start shit with you, Crunch. Please don't take things personally.

I am sure you must be under a lot of stress with your wife and the damn dam.

I am nobody on this thread. You have kept it together and informative. I have nothing but the greatest respect for you!

Please don't go!!

:pray:
 Quoting: Rollo's Daughter


He's a big baby and lashes out with threats of violence against people who call out his unfounded fantasies.

He threw a big tantrum because he wasn't smart enough to see Geo's sarcasm.

He thinks being here from the start gives him some special privilege.

Outside of the comedic value, I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

It wont even last a day though. He'll be back because he's mentally ill and won't be able to stay away. Bet me.
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KNOBHEAD
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He will be back. Watch and see..it will be some garbage about "not letting the trolls win".

blahblah5
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Hey Crunch,

Many people will miss your valuable contrubutions should you leave the thread. You/we will also miss the ability to share your unique perspective.

Please reconsider.
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bump
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BUMP
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2’ from overtopping. Bright sunny day yet the live cam has been darkened. Nothing to see here.
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Yeah because its going to accidentally overtop the dam because its so close. Mental midget.
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2’ from overtopping. Bright sunny day yet the live cam has been darkened. Nothing to see here.
[link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85659586


Yeah because its going to accidentally overtop the dam because its so close. Mental midget.
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Sure, of course, quack quack duckspeak doubleplusungood groupthink, insult insult.

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Troll boy thinks they can run 100,000 CFS down that Kiewit shoot for hours and hours on end...even days.

I would absolute hate for them to have put themselves in position to have to prove that they can do that. But, alas, they very well may have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83969407


Weeks, according to him. If Almanor breaks, they have hours at best.
 Quoting: DieselTech


Is there any indication Almanor is going to break or have you joined the unfounded paranoid delusion club?

About five days using just the spillway alone would bring Oroville down enough to catch Almanor. Probably three and a half if they run full bore at every outlet.

I'm not defending DWR. You asked for the math and there it is. It made you look stupid and you should've run the numbers yourself before you asked. Then again, you picked one of the lowest paying, hardest working trades there are so you clearly aren't super smart. How much did you give the Snap On guy this month?
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Here is a website to convert cfs per day to acre feet.

[link to www.convertunits.com (secure)]

Keep in mind Almanor has well over a million acre feet.

At one day of 20,000 cfs, which is more than they usually run it, we get to about 40,000 acre feet.

At 100,000 cfs we get to almost 200,000 acre feet in a day.
So maybe 6 days to handle Almanor at 100,000 cfs.

Would we have six days to catch Almanor's water? I've seen videos of dams breaking and they empty out in hours, not even one day. But let's be nice to your ego and say you have a whole day to spill Oroville after Almanor breaks.

So, what cfs do we need to get to over a million acre feet in one day? See that site linked. Easy to punch in numbers.

We need to run the spillway at 510,000 cfs to dump a million acre feet. However, the spillway was built for 270,000 cfs max. So they say. That takes almost 2 days to spill a million acre feet plus from Almanor.

Who thinks the spillway can handle 270,000 cfs? Do I hear half of that? Who thinks it can handle 100,000 cfs? 75,000? Lol, you have to be kidding me. The thing is already vibrating and cavitating. I would not bet on 40,000 cfs.

Troll, you are ignorant and too lazy to do a quick search to bring up the facts. Go away and look up Folsom dam handling the breaking of Auburn dam, and how Folsom was ready to absorb it, and read about how proper safety to protect people is done ( hint, Folsom is not run by DWR but by the USA Bureau of Reclamation).

Almanor sits on a NEW ACTIVE FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plumas County earthquakes reveal new, active faults under Lake Almanor

[link to www.redding.com (secure)]


Are you from DWR, troll? Or from Satan? I can't decide. Whatever excuse you had up until now to fill a leaky dam on a leaky hillside, all those excuses vanish entirely in the light of this new 2023 knowledge that Almanor sits on an active fault.

It's no wonder Crunch needs a breather from this place. The demons seem to have a real thing to go after Crunch, because he knows the sordid history of all the years of lies and corruption and risky management and he wont back down from their constant haggling.

Personally Geo, I think you are guilty of enabling murder if you let these liars keep up with their constant attack on those who warn about the dangers. New people could get on and read here. I think these fairy tale ACs should be banned.

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2’ from overtopping. Bright sunny day yet the live cam has been darkened. Nothing to see here.
[link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85659586


Yeah because its going to accidentally overtop the dam because its so close. Mental midget.
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Sure, of course, quack quack duckspeak doubleplusungood groupthink, insult insult.

*Stay tuned for our next episode: "Two feet from disaster," brought to you by Stan Tall Construction. And now a word from our sponsor.*
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Because the water is going to slosh out when a fat person does a belly flop into the lake? They're gonna accidentally forget to increase the outflows? I really don't understand these crazy baseless claims that its a conspiracy to fill the lake up. Their flood control plan let's them do it and the water is worth money so of course they're gonna fill it. They'll also feign some story about recreational users but its about selling the water.
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Sure, of course, quack quack duckspeak doubleplusungood groupthink, insult insult.

*Stay tuned for our next episode: "Two feet from disaster," brought to you by Stan Tall Construction. And now a word from our sponsor.*
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Because the water is going to slosh out when a fat person does a belly flop into the lake? They're gonna accidentally forget to increase the outflows? I really don't understand these crazy baseless claims that its a conspiracy to fill the lake up. Their flood control plan let's them do it and the water is worth money so of course they're gonna fill it. They'll also feign some story about recreational users but its about selling the water.
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You had me at because, but the insults just put me *over the top*

Anything else would be crimethink
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Troll boy thinks they can run 100,000 CFS down that Kiewit shoot for hours and hours on end...even days.

I would absolute hate for them to have put themselves in position to have to prove that they can do that. But, alas, they very well may have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83969407


Weeks, according to him. If Almanor breaks, they have hours at best.
 Quoting: DieselTech


Is there any indication Almanor is going to break or have you joined the unfounded paranoid delusion club?

About five days using just the spillway alone would bring Oroville down enough to catch Almanor. Probably three and a half if they run full bore at every outlet.

I'm not defending DWR. You asked for the math and there it is. It made you look stupid and you should've run the numbers yourself before you asked. Then again, you picked one of the lowest paying, hardest working trades there are so you clearly aren't super smart. How much did you give the Snap On guy this month?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81562080


...Personally Geo, I think you are guilty of enabling murder if you let these liars keep up with their constant attack on those who warn about the dangers. New people could get on and read here. I think these fairy tale ACs should be banned.
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


That literally has to be the stupidest thing that has been claimed on this thread to date. Given the number of stupid comments and even the infamous retard AI known as capsman, that is quite a distinction.

I think Geo can sleep soundly at night knowing he wont be charged with murder because he didn't ban ACs after one of them dared to question the crazy baseless claims churned out regularly.

A close second for insanity is this claim Almanor dam will fail. As incompetent as government and PGE may be, I'm positive both have reviewed the numbers and know a class action lawsuit against them for a failed dam with prior knowledge would cost them a whole lot more than selling some water or generating some power. While anything is possible, this fantasy of Almanor bursting is highly unlikely. So unlikely that Oroville doesn't consider it in their flood management plan and rightly so. Thank God adults are still running some institutions. Do you people ever leave the house or does every possibility of loss or accident guide your behavior there too? Because the odds of you getting in a car wreck are much higher than the dam bursting, yet you still go out driving every day.
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Sure, of course, quack quack duckspeak doubleplusungood groupthink, insult insult.

*Stay tuned for our next episode: "Two feet from disaster," brought to you by Stan Tall Construction. And now a word from our sponsor.*
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80942760


Because the water is going to slosh out when a fat person does a belly flop into the lake? They're gonna accidentally forget to increase the outflows? I really don't understand these crazy baseless claims that its a conspiracy to fill the lake up. Their flood control plan let's them do it and the water is worth money so of course they're gonna fill it. They'll also feign some story about recreational users but its about selling the water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80997253


You had me at because, but the insults just put me *over the top*

Anything else would be crimethink
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What insult? One can only conclude you identify as a person fat enough to slosh the water out of the lake or someone who churns out crazy baseless claims. Maybe both?
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Troll boy thinks they can run 100,000 CFS down that Kiewit shoot for hours and hours on end...even days.

I would absolute hate for them to have put themselves in position to have to prove that they can do that. But, alas, they very well may have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83969407


Weeks, according to him. If Almanor breaks, they have hours at best.
 Quoting: DieselTech


Is there any indication Almanor is going to break or have you joined the unfounded paranoid delusion club?

About five days using just the spillway alone would bring Oroville down enough to catch Almanor. Probably three and a half if they run full bore at every outlet.

I'm not defending DWR. You asked for the math and there it is. It made you look stupid and you should've run the numbers yourself before you asked. Then again, you picked one of the lowest paying, hardest working trades there are so you clearly aren't super smart. How much did you give the Snap On guy this month?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81562080


Here is a website to convert cfs per day to acre feet.

[link to www.convertunits.com (secure)]

Keep in mind Almanor has well over a million acre feet.

At one day of 20,000 cfs, which is more than they usually run it, we get to about 40,000 acre feet.

At 100,000 cfs we get to almost 200,000 acre feet in a day.
So maybe 6 days to handle Almanor at 100,000 cfs.

Would we have six days to catch Almanor's water? I've seen videos of dams breaking and they empty out in hours, not even one day. But let's be nice to your ego and say you have a whole day to spill Oroville after Almanor breaks.

So, what cfs do we need to get to over a million acre feet in one day? See that site linked. Easy to punch in numbers.

We need to run the spillway at 510,000 cfs to dump a million acre feet. However, the spillway was built for 270,000 cfs max. So they say. That takes almost 2 days to spill a million acre feet plus from Almanor.

Who thinks the spillway can handle 270,000 cfs? Do I hear half of that? Who thinks it can handle 100,000 cfs? 75,000? Lol, you have to be kidding me. The thing is already vibrating and cavitating. I would not bet on 40,000 cfs.

Troll, you are ignorant and too lazy to do a quick search to bring up the facts. Go away and look up Folsom dam handling the breaking of Auburn dam, and how Folsom was ready to absorb it, and read about how proper safety to protect people is done ( hint, Folsom is not run by DWR but by the USA Bureau of Reclamation).

Almanor sits on a NEW ACTIVE FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plumas County earthquakes reveal new, active faults under Lake Almanor

[link to www.redding.com (secure)]


Are you from DWR, troll? Or from Satan? I can't decide. Whatever excuse you had up until now to fill a leaky dam on a leaky hillside, all those excuses vanish entirely in the light of this new 2023 knowledge that Almanor sits on an active fault.

It's no wonder Crunch needs a breather from this place. The demons seem to have a real thing to go after Crunch, because he knows the sordid history of all the years of lies and corruption and risky management and he wont back down from their constant haggling.

Personally Geo, I think you are guilty of enabling murder if you let these liars keep up with their constant attack on those who warn about the dangers. New people could get on and read here. I think these fairy tale ACs should be banned.
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OK then, my mistake if you tried. I apologize for criticizing you wrongly. Sorry.
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OK then, my mistake if you tried. I apologize for criticizing you wrongly. Sorry.
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Crunch, dude, why are you letting the troll get to you? You realize you just gave him exactly what he came for?

Heck, half of us were here just to keep up with your perspectives and obsevations.

GET BACK IN HERE!!

We demand it!
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A lousy 15,000 AF of storage left now...
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A lousy 15,000 AF of storage left now...
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2 weeks?
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Crunch, dude, why are you letting the troll get to you? You realize you just gave him exactly what he came for?

Heck, half of us were here just to keep up with your perspectives and obsevations.

GET BACK IN HERE!!

We demand it!
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I promise he's coming back. He can't stay away. Its part of his delusional state of mind.
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99.58% full...
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99.58% full...
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That means it's still 0.42% empty, mental midget :-)

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Crunch, dude, why are you letting the troll get to you? You realize you just gave him exactly what he came for?

Heck, half of us were here just to keep up with your perspectives and obsevations.

GET BACK IN HERE!!

We demand it!
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I promise he's coming back. He can't stay away. Its part of his delusional state of mind.
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Nah, he'll come back because he is not a quitter.
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898.82
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This number is dangerous & deliberate!

Imagine the weakened soil after months & months of “Weather Warfare” rain!

Is anyone being warned about a potential emergency evacuation??

Eyes have been on this potentially catastrophic disaster waiting to happen for many years now.


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Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies.....


Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~





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