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A View From The Libertarian Side...

 
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A L L E P O retard.
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They're talking about raising the cash through the sale of new 50 & 100 year bonds. Not the same as QE. Trump needs to fill two Fed vacancies immediately and will have two more in 2018. The people on the Fed board are a bunch of commies.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


You do realize that rolling over 2 yr treasury bills to 50 and 100 yr treasury bills will INCREASE the deficit? Sounds obvious, right?

Sounds like you completely missed the point of what I wrote or simply don't understand simple facts.
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Simple facts? Things are going to be looking a lot different a year or two from now. I can see going longer with the bonds on infrastructure spending which by the way does not add to the deficit.
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Deficits for infrastructure for debt, tax cuts, increased military spending. etc (fiscal spending) and restructuring outstanding debt 2yr to 50yr-100yr bonds will MASSIVELY increase the deficit.

Still don't see the elephant in the room?

Rolling over the 2yr (25-45basis points) which is already rapidly rising on its own the 50 and 100yr bond would be far higher than 500basis points. That's 10x the cost of what we currently spend $250billion dollars on interest x 10 in interest payments is

At least $1 trillion dollars a year added to the deficit...to go from t-bills to treasury bonds

THAT'S BEFORE
1. Tax cuts
2. Infrastructure
3. Military Spending

E.G. $2 Trillion dollar deficits.

It's not possible. It would result in a MASSIVE QE4
when QE4 was ALREADY going to wake up the world.

Trump is going to be a DISASTER.

Now, read it again, and try again.
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Returns from infrastructure spending would be higher because the real interest rate on government debt is very low. The government can spend more on infrastructure and thereby increase growth enough so that no additional tax increases will be needed to cover the interest expense. Your models do not take this into account.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Positive about 20 trill in debt? Hundred Trillion in unfunded liabilities? Quadrillion derivitive markets? Sky High Dow when economy in the tank just like 2008?
 Quoting: Dredrum


If there was one thing Trump said that really made me shake my head it was his promise to pay off the debt in eight years, we're a very very long way from out of the woods economically. Public perception helps, but there are time bombs everywhere...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


It is now long past any mathematical possibility to ever pay off the national debt. It will never, nor can it ever be, 'repaid'.

If all money owned by all American banks, businesses and individuals was gathered up today and sent to the U.S. government, there would not be enough to pay off the U.S. national debt. Not even half of it.

No matter how it's sliced or gamed or think tanked - no matter how 'good' we may feel about things - no matter if every politician on earth suddenly started truly caring about the well being of their people - the fact is that this will all end in the absolute destruction of the entire western economic engine based on the truly impossible, asinine and criminal model of 'eternal debt growth'

It's already all over - the only thing that can be done is to issue even more debt and devaluation in the growingly useless attempt to squeeze the last remaining juices out of the lemon.

The Trump administration -via the fed - can only try to issue more and more debt to try to keep this dying paradigm alive.

How long they can manage to keep the ponzi asscarnival alive is debatable, but the inevitable certainty of a paradigm ending collapse is coming - and no politician, no government, no happy thoughts, nothing - can or will save any of us from the simple math.
 Quoting: /7007/


step 1) Trump ensures that he has a loyal security detail for his family and friends and is not seen in public for next 4 years.

step 2) Trump has US Treasury takes control of currency and closes the FED.

step 3) tell US bond & t-bill holders to fuck off.

step 4) Declare bankruptcy and wipe out all debt.

step 5) Make running a fiscal deficit illegal, punishable by 20 years in prison.

step 6) abolish income tax.
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You do realize that rolling over 2 yr treasury bills to 50 and 100 yr treasury bills will INCREASE the deficit? Sounds obvious, right?

Sounds like you completely missed the point of what I wrote or simply don't understand simple facts.
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Simple facts? Things are going to be looking a lot different a year or two from now. I can see going longer with the bonds on infrastructure spending which by the way does not add to the deficit.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Deficits for infrastructure for debt, tax cuts, increased military spending. etc (fiscal spending) and restructuring outstanding debt 2yr to 50yr-100yr bonds will MASSIVELY increase the deficit.

Still don't see the elephant in the room?

Rolling over the 2yr (25-45basis points) which is already rapidly rising on its own the 50 and 100yr bond would be far higher than 500basis points. That's 10x the cost of what we currently spend $250billion dollars on interest x 10 in interest payments is

At least $1 trillion dollars a year added to the deficit...to go from t-bills to treasury bonds

THAT'S BEFORE
1. Tax cuts
2. Infrastructure
3. Military Spending

E.G. $2 Trillion dollar deficits.

It's not possible. It would result in a MASSIVE QE4
when QE4 was ALREADY going to wake up the world.

Trump is going to be a DISASTER.

Now, read it again, and try again.
 Quoting: NikM755


Returns from infrastructure spending would be higher because the real interest rate on government debt is very low. The government can spend more on infrastructure and thereby increase growth enough so that no additional tax increases will be needed to cover the interest expense. Your models do not take this into account.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Absolutely NONE of his plans are going to work without a MASSIVE ROUND of QE4=wake up call...and fiscal collapse.
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Absolutely NONE of his plans are going to work without a MASSIVE ROUND of QE4=wake up call...and fiscal collapse.
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Yeah you keep repeating that over and over every time I prove you wrong on the infrastructure spending.

Last Edited by BeenAround® on 12/03/2016 07:45 PM
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Does my freedom make your little pussy hurt?
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Yeah in case you didn't read my post I plainly state I didn't support Trump in the Primary or the General...

So fuck the fuck off...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


shilly shilly shilly boy.


Look at all that propaganda you posted about how the republican party was finished all the lies about Trump and how Trump couldn't win.

Cruz was the only one according to you.

Some of the things you said were very nasty and despicable you was acting like a Liberal shill.

Nobody can take you seriously anymore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35176657


I don't care what you or the OP says. Trump was a douche, is a douche, and I'm sure he will be a douche in the future. There is very little about him that is anywhere close to a libertarian and that is all I care about. Wonder why? Because that is American. You look at the founding principlesand you will find nothing like the narcissistic autocrat we are about to haveas president. The only remotely good thing about him is that I get to watch liberals piss their pants.so how are you can worship your Emperor God and I will call you the sad pathetic fool's that you are. Enjoy getting conned again.
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Absolutely NONE of his plans are going to work without a MASSIVE ROUND of QE4=wake up call...and fiscal collapse.
 Quoting: NikM755


Yeah you keep repeating that over and over every time I prove you wrong on the infrastructure spending.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
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Positive about 20 trill in debt? Hundred Trillion in unfunded liabilities? Quadrillion derivitive markets? Sky High Dow when economy in the tank just like 2008?
 Quoting: Dredrum


If there was one thing Trump said that really made me shake my head it was his promise to pay off the debt in eight years, we're a very very long way from out of the woods economically. Public perception helps, but there are time bombs everywhere...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


It is now long past any mathematical possibility to ever pay off the national debt. It will never, nor can it ever be, 'repaid'.

If all money owned by all American banks, businesses and individuals was gathered up today and sent to the U.S. government, there would not be enough to pay off the U.S. national debt. Not even half of it.

No matter how it's sliced or gamed or think tanked - no matter how 'good' we may feel about things - no matter if every politician on earth suddenly started truly caring about the well being of their people - the fact is that this will all end in the absolute destruction of the entire western economic engine based on the truly impossible, asinine and criminal model of 'eternal debt growth'

It's already all over - the only thing that can be done is to issue even more debt and devaluation in the growingly useless attempt to squeeze the last remaining juices out of the lemon.

The Trump administration -via the fed - can only try to issue more and more debt to try to keep this dying paradigm alive.

How long they can manage to keep the ponzi asscarnival alive is debatable, but the inevitable certainty of a paradigm ending collapse is coming - and no politician, no government, no happy thoughts, nothing - can or will save any of us from the simple math.
 Quoting: /7007/


step 1) Trump ensures that he has a loyal security detail for his family and friends and is not seen in public for next 4 years.

step 2) Trump has US Treasury takes control of currency and closes the FED.

step 3) tell US bond & t-bill holders to fuck off.

step 4) Declare bankruptcy and wipe out all debt.

step 5) Make running a fiscal deficit illegal, punishable by 20 years in prison.

step 6) abolish income tax.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73523503


A debt force majeure at some point is inevitable - But the slate won't be cleansed , no 'fixes' that matter will be enacted, until after the collapse.

Nothing can be done to stop it now - it can only be delayed by trying to convince the masses to keep buying and spending and taking on more debt...to keep them mesmerized with bread and circuses and flag waving and very likely world war...

And as the inevitable becomes more apparent to the people , the more readily those people will withdraw from the ponzi, from the system based on the abject insanity and incompetence of eternal debt growth - in ever increasing numbers - and the collapse will snoball into an avalanche.

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Absolutely NONE of his plans are going to work without a MASSIVE ROUND of QE4=wake up call...and fiscal collapse.
 Quoting: NikM755


Yeah you keep repeating that over and over every time I prove you wrong on the infrastructure spending.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
 Quoting: NikM755


For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Go ahead...tell me I am not free....deaf ears fuck stain...I am free...and those of you following the hand of the Nanny....are not free
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Absolutely NONE of his plans are going to work without a MASSIVE ROUND of QE4=wake up call...and fiscal collapse.
 Quoting: NikM755


Yeah you keep repeating that over and over every time I prove you wrong on the infrastructure spending.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
 Quoting: NikM755


For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Centralized state spending will always send a false signals to the economy. I don't know why people keep defending this new deal crap as the works. Let me lay it out for you.

The government sucks up tax money. It diverts that tax money to infrastructure spending. The vast majority of this money is paid out to various contractors to do different jobs. In the short term you do see a benefit. You see earnings go up. You seed new jobs. You see improve infrastructure. Yes this is all well and good. The problem comes in the long term as indications are given to the economy as a whole they can support various businesses that are involved with this process. Loans go out, new employees are hired, new companies get started, etc. then comes the shitty part. The party ends when the funding gets cut for when there are simply no more funds to give. Those companies that didn't make enough money or are not getting new jobs. They go under. There's new hires get let go. All the shit that those people bought with credit thinking they would have jobs forever. Those things get repossessed. Cycle complete.
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BeenAround is s fuckstain shill....a moron incapable of understanding freedom.....it's version of freedom is totally based on whatever the state says.....

I am more free than that...

I am so free...that pukes like you will never find me.....

does my freedom make your little cunt burn?
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Nobody who is actually a libertarian could have voted for Gary Johnson.
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That's too bad, because we were so close to winning this time...

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does that make your little pro Hillary twat hurt?

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I AM free...you cannot take that away unless you lock me away.....

I do what the fuck ever I want whenever I want.....I am free....are you?
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Absolutely NONE of his plans are going to work without a MASSIVE ROUND of QE4=wake up call...and fiscal collapse.
 Quoting: NikM755


Yeah you keep repeating that over and over every time I prove you wrong on the infrastructure spending.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
 Quoting: NikM755


For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


The "multiplier" is your answer? Why would we even need infastructure spending if the multiplier had worked under Obama? Why would Trump had even been elected if it worked?

You do realize Trump was elected, because people didn't buy into the bullshit of a growing economy?
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BeenAround is s fuckstain shill....a moron incapable of understanding freedom.....it's version of freedom is totally based on whatever the state says.....

I am more free than that...

I am so free...that pukes like you will never find me.....

does my freedom make your little cunt burn?
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You do realize that national defense, police, courts, registries of deeds, public defenders, the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights, etc. all are government efforts that work towards defending freedoms and rights. If you do then you admit you couldn't be free in a complex society like ours today without a government.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Yeah you keep repeating that over and over every time I prove you wrong on the infrastructure spending.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
 Quoting: NikM755


For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


The "multiplier" is your answer? Why would we even need infastructure spending if the multiplier had worked under Obama? Why would Trump had even been elected if it worked?

You do realize Trump was elected, because people didn't buy into the bullshit of a growing economy?
 Quoting: NikM755


Okay now I think I almost got you there. Remember that spending money on bridges that last 30 years will add nothing to any future costs. Once the money is spent to replace a bridge it's not going to cost you anything for the next 30 years.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
 Quoting: NikM755


For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


The "multiplier" is your answer? Why would we even need infastructure spending if the multiplier had worked under Obama? Why would Trump had even been elected if it worked?

You do realize Trump was elected, because people didn't buy into the bullshit of a growing economy?
 Quoting: NikM755


Okay now I think I almost got you there. Remember that spending money on bridges that last 30 years will add nothing to any future costs. Once the money is spent to replace a bridge it's not going to cost you anything for the next 30 years.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


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Beenaround says... says...

"Hi..I am a hillary bootlicking fuck bag but I want you to like me anyway?"


fuck off BeenAround and all supporters.....we got this

you have no idea what freedom is and you should never be able to describe it for anyone else

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How does infastructure pay for itself? It doesn't. It's paid through taxes or debt monetization (inflation).

You could make massive cuts to government elsewhere to pay for infastructure spending, but he's already promised he wasn't going to make any cuts.

Infastructure will require debt monetization.

Tax cuts will require debt monetization.

Rolling over t-bills to 30 yr bonds (or 50 or 100 yr bonds) will require MASSIVE debt monetization.

None of them pay for themselves. Sure, they are market reforms, but without massive cuts, it will require a MASSIVE round of debt monetization (QE4).

Do explain where you think his one policy that will require more debt monetization, is somehow magically, debt neutral.
 Quoting: NikM755


For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


The "multiplier" is your answer? Why would we even need infastructure spending if the multiplier had worked under Obama? Why would Trump had even been elected if it worked?

You do realize Trump was elected, because people didn't buy into the bullshit of a growing economy?
 Quoting: NikM755


Okay now I think I almost got you there. Remember that spending money on bridges that last 30 years will add nothing to any future costs. Once the money is spent to replace a bridge it's not going to cost you anything for the next 30 years.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


I understand you have absolutely no understanding of the economy. If the multiplier effect was real (which is exactly what you just said), then the economy would be booming now, which is exactly the reason Hillary lost the election, because Obama was a catastrophy.
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For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


The "multiplier" is your answer? Why would we even need infastructure spending if the multiplier had worked under Obama? Why would Trump had even been elected if it worked?

You do realize Trump was elected, because people didn't buy into the bullshit of a growing economy?
 Quoting: NikM755


Okay now I think I almost got you there. Remember that spending money on bridges that last 30 years will add nothing to any future costs. Once the money is spent to replace a bridge it's not going to cost you anything for the next 30 years.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


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Granny has lost her mind....not surprising....luny old folks...

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shut up granny.....don't they have a round of meds coming up for you?....


erm...

"I have no idea what I am talking about but they let me play on the computer every day".....

shut it granny....can we say "irrelevant"?

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For every $1 of infrastructure spending the economy will be boosted $2. The interest on the $1 spent is so low now that it is offset by the revenue off the $2 boost. As long as the interest rate remains low enough so that the revenue off the boost covers the interest it will be a great move.
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The "multiplier" is your answer? Why would we even need infastructure spending if the multiplier had worked under Obama? Why would Trump had even been elected if it worked?

You do realize Trump was elected, because people didn't buy into the bullshit of a growing economy?
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Okay now I think I almost got you there. Remember that spending money on bridges that last 30 years will add nothing to any future costs. Once the money is spent to replace a bridge it's not going to cost you anything for the next 30 years.
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I understand you have absolutely no understanding of the economy. If the multiplier effect was real (which is exactly what you just said), then the economy would be booming now, which is exactly the reason Hillary lost the election, because Obama was a catastrophy.
 Quoting: NikM755


No the majority of the money Obama has been spending has not been on infrastructure. Remember how everyone joked about his "shovel ready jobs" promise. Most of the stimulus was foolishly spent on green energy projects that had zero multiples and entitlements which actually increase the cost of future budgets. Remember Obamacare? How much money did Obama spend on that? Zero Multiple off that money. What about the billions and billions feeding, clothing, and housing illegal immigrants? Tiny multiple and it added huge costs to future budgets.

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Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Re: A View From The Libertarian Side...
While I supported Cruz in the Primary, and voted for Gary Johnson in the General (in Texas where I have the luxury of throwing my vote away if I so choose), I must say the enthusiasm and general positive feeling I'm seeing everywhere around Trump is contagious, and even heart warming.

I haven't seen people this positive about America's future since Ronald Reagan, and I'm caught up in that enthusiasm.

Will Trump be everything people think he will be? I see so many different ideas about how he'll actually govern that frankly I don't see how he could be everything to everyone, but judging from his recent statements, and cabinet picks I am very relieved that he doesn't seem to be playing out my worst fears which were that he would revert back to his Manhattan roots and move left when it came time to actually govern our great Nation. I've never been so glad to be wrong about something in my entire life.

In this holiday season I pray for Donald Trump and his Administration. They say America is divided, but we the American people have decisively handed the keys over to the Republicans in all branches of Government in a way that hasn't happened in four generations, now it's time to see if the GOP can actually Govern instead of obstruct, and in all honesty as far as a "Go-Getter" who can hopefully change the gears of the Grand Old Party from neutral to drive, you couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic and energetic person than Donald Trump for this job.

I don't care who you voted for at this point, Donald Trump is my President, and he is your President, and I pray for his success and the success of our Nation on a daily basis.

Perhaps Donald Trump is a man of destiny, perhaps this swing to the right in the political opinions of American's will be enough to pull us back from the edge of the cliff, regardless it is a heartening attempt, and it's nice to know that majority of American people are rejecting the neo-liberal ideas globalism and multiculturalism.

My country feels like home again.

God Bless Donald Trump, and God Bless the U.S.A...
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"now it's time to see if the GOP can actually Govern instead of obstruct"




PUH-LEEEZE!

The "republicans" have been as useless as tits on a boar.

They haven't obstructed JACK SHIT. In fact, when it comes to Obama, that is their BIGGEST problem! They might as well have not even "won" in the so-called Republican revolution during the last mid-term elections.

The DemonRats might as well have won, considering the Republicans haven't even ATTEMPTED to "obstruct" or reverse any of the emperor's edicts.

The Republicans have been totally and completely WORTHLESS.

I find your use of the word "obstruct" (and YOU) to be completely RIDICULOUS. And what a POS you were during the Trump campaign.
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Re: A View From The Libertarian Side...
Libertarian here, Trump & his anti-liberty dream team are clowns.

Giuliani? Sessions? Bolton? Romney? Pompeo? Etc...

Deep state's wet dream.

No thanks.
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Nobody who is actually a libertarian could have voted for Gary Johnson.
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That's too bad, because we were so close to winning this time...

dorolleyes
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I told my liberal friends that Gary is as far left as I'll go, and it was uncomfortable left for me. He is by no means a true libertarian. He is sure as hell not nearly the man that Ron Paul was.





GLP