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A View From The Libertarian Side...

 
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oh, saddletramp you were right then....how could you turn to being wrong now?

you are too smart for this.
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He's President now, and Thank God Hillary is not, he'll have my support as long as he continues to do what he said he will do...
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do you really think it makes any difference who the potus is?

i didn't vote, but every day dumbass trump is embarrassing the USA....instead of an apology tour, like with obama, we have a clown tour with an orangutan.
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Let's just hope we get a real audit to find out, I'm not holding my breath...
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What would an Audit do? We're broke, an audit would bring this to light. Once the world loses faith in the dollar it's crash time. Kill the Fed only option. You can't print your way out that's hyperinflation. You can't tax your way out people are too broke debt is too high. You can't tax break your way out of it, the amount of exponential growth needed to tame the beast of the interest bearing debt is too much. Our taxes just goes to paying off the interest doesn't even touch the debt. The numbers don't lie, we don't need an audit. You can't even reduce spending enough we have to many unfunded liabilities that we obligated to pay. We need a reset, we need sound money, printed up by own government not some privately run institution that doesn't care what is best for Americans.
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an audit of the fed would be a big spectacle show to make it seem like trump's still an "outsider" but the same thing would happen that happened with the fbi looking at clinton.... nothing.... it's just for show
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While I supported Cruz in the Primary, and voted for Gary Johnson in the General (in Texas where I have the luxury of throwing my vote away if I so choose), I must say the enthusiasm and general positive feeling I'm seeing everywhere around Trump is contagious, and even heart warming.

I haven't seen people this positive about America's future since Ronald Reagan, and I'm caught up in that enthusiasm.

Will Trump be everything people think he will be? I see so many different ideas about how he'll actually govern that frankly I don't see how he could be everything to everyone, but judging from his recent statements, and cabinet picks I am very relieved that he doesn't seem to be playing out my worst fears which were that he would revert back to his Manhattan roots and move left when it came time to actually govern our great Nation. I've never been so glad to be wrong about something in my entire life.

In this holiday season I pray for Donald Trump and his Administration. They say America is divided, but we the American people have decisively handed the keys over to the Republicans in all branches of Government in a way that hasn't happened in four generations, now it's time to see if the GOP can actually Govern instead of obstruct, and in all honesty as far as a "Go-Getter" who can hopefully change the gears of the Grand Old Party from neutral to drive, you couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic and energetic person than Donald Trump for this job.

I don't care who you voted for at this point, Donald Trump is my President, and he is your President, and I pray for his success and the success of our Nation on a daily basis.

Perhaps Donald Trump is a man of destiny, perhaps this swing to the right in the political opinions of American's will be enough to pull us back from the edge of the cliff, regardless it is a heartening attempt, and it's nice to know that majority of American people are rejecting the neo-liberal ideas globalism and multiculturalism.

My country feels like home again.

God Bless Donald Trump, and God Bless the U.S.A...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Praising Trump now are ya? You sound like Mitt Romney.

Yeah I remember your constant trolling of Trump while pushing for that cum-guzzler Cruz. As I remember it got so bad that Trin had to threaten you with a perma-ban.

Then you admit you voted Johnson?

That guy is a Libtard loon.

Sorry dude...your stock sank dramatically as a Cruz Cheerleader. Now that you have admitted to voting for a Libtard you should just delete your account and join Huff Post.
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and Ted Cruz's proof of US citizenship - his Canadian birth certificate. another do
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We didn't go through this enough in the primaries?

I was in the U.S. Army in 1990 when my son was born in Seoul, South Korea. The hospital issued a "Certificate of Live Birth." The U.S. Embassy in Seoul issued a "Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America."

We have a brighter future ahead. It does us no good to bring up that Canadian shit again.
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The reason it was brought up in the first place is because someone posted Cruz should be appointed to the SCOTUS.

It was pointed out the Cruz would be a disaster for SCOTUS because he is an opportunist and interprets the constitution whatever way it benefits hims at the time.
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While I supported Cruz in the Primary, and voted for Gary Johnson in the General (in Texas where I have the luxury of throwing my vote away if I so choose), I must say the enthusiasm and general positive feeling I'm seeing everywhere around Trump is contagious, and even heart warming.

I haven't seen people this positive about America's future since Ronald Reagan, and I'm caught up in that enthusiasm.

Will Trump be everything people think he will be? I see so many different ideas about how he'll actually govern that frankly I don't see how he could be everything to everyone, but judging from his recent statements, and cabinet picks I am very relieved that he doesn't seem to be playing out my worst fears which were that he would revert back to his Manhattan roots and move left when it came time to actually govern our great Nation. I've never been so glad to be wrong about something in my entire life.

In this holiday season I pray for Donald Trump and his Administration. They say America is divided, but we the American people have decisively handed the keys over to the Republicans in all branches of Government in a way that hasn't happened in four generations, now it's time to see if the GOP can actually Govern instead of obstruct, and in all honesty as far as a "Go-Getter" who can hopefully change the gears of the Grand Old Party from neutral to drive, you couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic and energetic person than Donald Trump for this job.

I don't care who you voted for at this point, Donald Trump is my President, and he is your President, and I pray for his success and the success of our Nation on a daily basis.

Perhaps Donald Trump is a man of destiny, perhaps this swing to the right in the political opinions of American's will be enough to pull us back from the edge of the cliff, regardless it is a heartening attempt, and it's nice to know that majority of American people are rejecting the neo-liberal ideas globalism and multiculturalism.

My country feels like home again.

God Bless Donald Trump, and God Bless the U.S.A...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Praising Trump now are ya? You sound like Mitt Romney.

Yeah I remember your constant trolling of Trump while pushing for that cum-guzzler Cruz. As I remember it got so bad that Trin had to threaten you with a perma-ban.

Then you admit you voted Johnson?

That guy is a Libtard loon.

Sorry dude...your stock sank dramatically as a Cruz Cheerleader.
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Nobody who is actually a libertarian could have voted for Gary Johnson.
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That's too bad, because we were so close to winning this time...

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That's really the point though. As a libertarian you aren't voting to win, you're voting in support of the principles of actual human rights that libertarianism represents. Which is exactly what Gary Johnson did not represent.
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Good job

now let me share a story. I come from a family of boxers. My day and I watched every fighter ever. I remember when I was a kid watching Trump boxing matches start. He opened Trump Plaza to hold boxing events and in the beginning he couldn't get big matches but then get this, he didn't allow corrupt judges in. The loss of revenues he covered out of his own pocket and kept negotiating until he forced the big events through "reputation!". He was friends with everyone, White, black, Latino, boxers EVERYONE. He took pictures with them, gave advice, shook everyone's hands and a pat on the back. Especially the losers. He made household names out of boxers who would have possibly never been heard of.

Trump is a blue collar guy wearing a white collar shirt. If he ever had to he would fly to a battle and personally go to the front line to be with his fellow bros. He would take a bullet for a homeless guy if the guy was a good man.

Trump is an America.
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While I supported Cruz in the Primary, and voted for Gary Johnson in the General (in Texas where I have the luxury of throwing my vote away if I so choose), I must say the enthusiasm and general positive feeling I'm seeing everywhere around Trump is contagious, and even heart warming.

I haven't seen people this positive about America's future since Ronald Reagan, and I'm caught up in that enthusiasm.

Will Trump be everything people think he will be? I see so many different ideas about how he'll actually govern that frankly I don't see how he could be everything to everyone, but judging from his recent statements, and cabinet picks I am very relieved that he doesn't seem to be playing out my worst fears which were that he would revert back to his Manhattan roots and move left when it came time to actually govern our great Nation. I've never been so glad to be wrong about something in my entire life.

In this holiday season I pray for Donald Trump and his Administration. They say America is divided, but we the American people have decisively handed the keys over to the Republicans in all branches of Government in a way that hasn't happened in four generations, now it's time to see if the GOP can actually Govern instead of obstruct, and in all honesty as far as a "Go-Getter" who can hopefully change the gears of the Grand Old Party from neutral to drive, you couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic and energetic person than Donald Trump for this job.

I don't care who you voted for at this point, Donald Trump is my President, and he is your President, and I pray for his success and the success of our Nation on a daily basis.

Perhaps Donald Trump is a man of destiny, perhaps this swing to the right in the political opinions of American's will be enough to pull us back from the edge of the cliff, regardless it is a heartening attempt, and it's nice to know that majority of American people are rejecting the neo-liberal ideas globalism and multiculturalism.

My country feels like home again.

God Bless Donald Trump, and God Bless the U.S.A...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Praising Trump now are ya? You sound like Mitt Romney.

Yeah I remember your constant trolling of Trump while pushing for that cum-guzzler Cruz. As I remember it got so bad that Trin had to threaten you with a perma-ban.

Then you admit you voted Johnson?

That guy is a Libtard loon.

Sorry dude...your stock sank dramatically as a Cruz Cheerleader.
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cruise
hesright
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hesright
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While I supported Cruz in the Primary, and voted for Gary Johnson in the General (in Texas where I have the luxury of throwing my vote away if I so choose), I must say the enthusiasm and general positive feeling I'm seeing everywhere around Trump is contagious, and even heart warming.

I haven't seen people this positive about America's future since Ronald Reagan, and I'm caught up in that enthusiasm.

Will Trump be everything people think he will be? I see so many different ideas about how he'll actually govern that frankly I don't see how he could be everything to everyone, but judging from his recent statements, and cabinet picks I am very relieved that he doesn't seem to be playing out my worst fears which were that he would revert back to his Manhattan roots and move left when it came time to actually govern our great Nation. I've never been so glad to be wrong about something in my entire life.

In this holiday season I pray for Donald Trump and his Administration. They say America is divided, but we the American people have decisively handed the keys over to the Republicans in all branches of Government in a way that hasn't happened in four generations, now it's time to see if the GOP can actually Govern instead of obstruct, and in all honesty as far as a "Go-Getter" who can hopefully change the gears of the Grand Old Party from neutral to drive, you couldn't ask for a more enthusiastic and energetic person than Donald Trump for this job.

I don't care who you voted for at this point, Donald Trump is my President, and he is your President, and I pray for his success and the success of our Nation on a daily basis.

Perhaps Donald Trump is a man of destiny, perhaps this swing to the right in the political opinions of American's will be enough to pull us back from the edge of the cliff, regardless it is a heartening attempt, and it's nice to know that majority of American people are rejecting the neo-liberal ideas globalism and multiculturalism.

My country feels like home again.

God Bless Donald Trump, and God Bless the U.S.A...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Praising Trump now are ya? You sound like Mitt Romney.

Yeah I remember your constant trolling of Trump while pushing for that cum-guzzler Cruz. As I remember it got so bad that Trin had to threaten you with a perma-ban.

Then you admit you voted Johnson?

That guy is a Libtard loon.

Sorry dude...your stock sank dramatically as a Cruz Cheerleader.
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cruise
hesright
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hesright
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Yeah I remember more now. You lost your Mod status over this. You're a fucking traitor and a hypocrite.

hesright
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So now that you have seen the light you expect everyone to forget your treachery and stupidity?

Look man...I was not happy with anyone this election cycle. I considered it a slap in the face by the powers behind the curtain...."Here is your choices mother fuckers"

I had to really do some homework and consider all the bullshit being puked all over the place...in the end, I picked the person that seemed like they would be the ones to do the least amount of damage to our wounded Republic...that was Trump.

I have been a Libertarian for years but they have never fully represented me. Their position on open borders and free trade with slave nations is an abomination to rationally minded people...you just cannot do those things and expect prosperity.

I supported Gary in 2012 and apparently he burned his brain completely out in the last 4 years...the dude was a fucking idiot. Even my wife was like "wtf is wrong with Gary Johnson?" and my wife is not politically active.

If you have no borders...you have no country....

You cannot reward countries that allow wage slavery....

This is where the Libertarians are losing people...they need to drop that stupidity and get with the program.

Had they just stood on freedom and opportunity for USA CITIZENS...they would have done much better...they fucked themselves trying to be "global" minded....and they can rot until they wake the fuck up

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Nobody who is actually a libertarian could have voted for Gary Johnson.
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If he was a Libertarian he would of voted for Rand Paul.
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Do any of y'all even know who Gary Johnson is or what he stands for? I've known Johnson since before he was Governor of New Mexico. And while I'll admit he places a little too much emphasis on legalization of drugs, he is a Constitutional Conservative as well...
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You apparently never say Gary Johnson when Stossel conducted the libertarian debate on his show, or when Anderson Cooper held a townhall with Johnson/Weld.

He advocated for Gays being allowed to take down bakeries that didnt support them. He advocated for Obamacare. Gary Johnson, on his best day could not explain to you any of the foundational principles of libertarian thought. He might believe in financial constraint, and legalized weed, but those are random intersection with libertarian belief, not due to his principles.
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and Ted Cruz's proof of US citizenship - his Canadian birth certificate. another do
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We didn't go through this enough in the primaries?

I was in the U.S. Army in 1990 when my son was born in Seoul, South Korea. The hospital issued a "Certificate of Live Birth." The U.S. Embassy in Seoul issued a "Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America."

We have a brighter future ahead. It does us no good to bring up that Canadian shit again.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


Thanks for sharing but I never questioned your sons citizenship did I? Had you not gone to the U.S. Embassy in Soul and got that CRBA your son would not officially be a US citizen (according to US law). Funny how Ted Cruz never was issued a CRBA by the US Embassy in Calgary. Having a brighter future has no bearing on anything said about Ted Cruz. That die was cast when his phony ass was defeated in the primaries.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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and Ted Cruz's proof of US citizenship - his Canadian birth certificate. another do
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We didn't go through this enough in the primaries?

I was in the U.S. Army in 1990 when my son was born in Seoul, South Korea. The hospital issued a "Certificate of Live Birth." The U.S. Embassy in Seoul issued a "Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America."

We have a brighter future ahead. It does us no good to bring up that Canadian shit again.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


The reason it was brought up in the first place is because someone posted Cruz should be appointed to the SCOTUS.

It was pointed out the Cruz would be a disaster for SCOTUS because he is an opportunist and interprets the constitution whatever way it benefits hims at the time.
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What in the fuck does his origin have to do with how he would perform on the Supreme Court?


sassaa
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otoh, i doubt it would matter even if you did pay attention.

you're mired in the same sort of intractable mindset as the liberals, absolutely sure your mythos of "free markets" is The True Way and i doubt you grasp what Trump did in the past year. You can reguritate the events but not the gestalt behind them. i have a touch of trump's gift and in retrospect, i understand a lot of how he won.

he's fucking brilliant.

and pert of his brilliance us being so inaccessible to his opponents that they constantly misjudge him.

you probably wont ever really understand.
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Praising Trump now are ya? You sound like Mitt Romney.

Yeah I remember your constant trolling of Trump while pushing for that cum-guzzler Cruz. As I remember it got so bad that Trin had to threaten you with a perma-ban.

Then you admit you voted Johnson?

That guy is a Libtard loon.

Sorry dude...your stock sank dramatically as a Cruz Cheerleader.
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cruise
hesright
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hesright
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Yeah I remember more now. You lost your Mod status over this. You're a fucking traitor and a hypocrite.

hesright
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If you knew dick about dick you might know dick...but then you probably do...
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and Ted Cruz's proof of US citizenship - his Canadian birth certificate. another do
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We didn't go through this enough in the primaries?

I was in the U.S. Army in 1990 when my son was born in Seoul, South Korea. The hospital issued a "Certificate of Live Birth." The U.S. Embassy in Seoul issued a "Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America."

We have a brighter future ahead. It does us no good to bring up that Canadian shit again.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


The reason it was brought up in the first place is because someone posted Cruz should be appointed to the SCOTUS.

It was pointed out the Cruz would be a disaster for SCOTUS because he is an opportunist and interprets the constitution whatever way it benefits hims at the time.
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What in the fuck does his origin have to do with how he would perform on the Supreme Court?


sassaa
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


Ted Cruz has lied so often it's beyond absurd to suggest that fucker has a snowballs chance in hell to be nominated to the supreme court. Why would anyone want a lying sack of shit on the supreme court?
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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and Ted Cruz's proof of US citizenship - his Canadian birth certificate. another do
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We didn't go through this enough in the primaries?

I was in the U.S. Army in 1990 when my son was born in Seoul, South Korea. The hospital issued a "Certificate of Live Birth." The U.S. Embassy in Seoul issued a "Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America."

We have a brighter future ahead. It does us no good to bring up that Canadian shit again.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


The reason it was brought up in the first place is because someone posted Cruz should be appointed to the SCOTUS.

It was pointed out the Cruz would be a disaster for SCOTUS because he is an opportunist and interprets the constitution whatever way it benefits hims at the time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35176657


What in the fuck does his origin have to do with how he would perform on the Supreme Court?


:sassaa:
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Learn to read moron.

It's not about his origin it's about him saying before that he was ineligible because his interpretation was that you needed to be born on US soil to 2 US citizens.

But later when he decided to run for POTUS his interpretation conveniently changed because it benefited him.


So once again Cruz would be a disaster for SCOTUS because he is an opportunist and interprets the constitution whatever way it benefits him at the time.

The SCOTUS interprets the constitution numb nuts and if he switches his interpretation based on how it will benefit him which he will do then he is not qualified to be on the SCOTUS.
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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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OP, I found your post during the campaign aggravating, being the Trump supporter I was and am, but I'm glad he didn't prove your fears true.


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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
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Um...


"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

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Gary Johnson??

rofl
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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Um...
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Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Um...
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Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Well the Conservative wing of the Libertarian Party, which was encompassed by Ron Paul was never in favor of walls, but they're also not in favor or giving Govt subsidies to companies hiring illegals or Govt aid to illegals, so it's no so simple as it might seem. You can build all the fences and walls in the world but if you keep giving them free medical, food, and housing they're going to find a way over here, and if you keep basically subsidizing companies to hire them they're going to keep finding ways to bring them in...

Bush was all for closing the borders, how did that work out?

You're only giving half of the story...
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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Um...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Well the Conservative wing of the Libertarian Party, which was encompassed by Ron Paul was never in favor of walls, but they're also not in favor or giving Govt subsidies to companies hiring illegals or Govt aid to illegals, so it's no so simple as it might seem. You can build all the fences and walls in the world but if you keep giving them free medical, food, and housing they're going to find a way over here, and if you keep basically subsidizing companies to hire them they're going to keep finding ways to bring them in...

Bush was all for closing the borders, how did that work out?

You're only giving half of the story...
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Seriously? I knew then it was a lie. He's a globalist just like practically every other damn politician in DC. That was to pacify the base. How did that work for them? LOL
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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
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Um...
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Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
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Well the Conservative wing of the Libertarian Party, which was encompassed by Ron Paul was never in favor of walls, but they're also not in favor or giving Govt subsidies to companies hiring illegals or Govt aid to illegals, so it's no so simple as it might seem. You can build all the fences and walls in the world but if you keep giving them free medical, food, and housing they're going to find a way over here, and if you keep basically subsidizing companies to hire them they're going to keep finding ways to bring them in...

Bush was all for closing the borders, how did that work out?

You're only giving half of the story...
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I can see your attempting to get your mojo back... Ron Paul's argument was that a wall on the border would keep you in as well as keep others out - it had nothing to do with free shit. But since you brought him up I'll use him as exhibit A as to why our immigration system is broken.

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Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Um...
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Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
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Well the Conservative wing of the Libertarian Party, which was encompassed by Ron Paul was never in favor of walls, but they're also not in favor or giving Govt subsidies to companies hiring illegals or Govt aid to illegals, so it's no so simple as it might seem. You can build all the fences and walls in the world but if you keep giving them free medical, food, and housing they're going to find a way over here, and if you keep basically subsidizing companies to hire them they're going to keep finding ways to bring them in...

Bush was all for closing the borders, how did that work out?

You're only giving half of the story...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I can see your attempting to get your mojo back... Ron Paul's argument was that a wall on the border would keep you in as well as keep others out - it had nothing to do with free shit. But since you brought him up I'll use him as exhibit A as to why our immigration system is broken.
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Did I say it wasn't broken?

Bush built 800 miles worth of "Wall", and for what? They kept giving illegals all the free shit they could stand and they kept flowing over here like a river. They kept giving companies breaks for hiring illegals, and they kept making sure there was a steady supply...

You can't fix the Border without fixing the Welfare system as it currently stands...

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Libertarians believe in open borders and no restrictions on immigration. At least that is what the official party platform states:

"We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally".

A bunch of reckless hippies.
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Um...
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Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
 Quoting: BeenAround®



Bush was all for closing the borders, how did that work out?

You're only giving half of the story...
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That's not really fair to Bush.
To be fair Bush had them starting building a wall on the border but the Democrats cut the funding off so he never got much built.
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hesright
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Yeah I remember more now. You lost your Mod status over this. You're a fucking traitor and a hypocrite.

hesright
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If you knew dick about dick you might know dick...but then you probably do...
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Sorry pal. Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings.
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Well the Conservative wing of the Libertarian Party, which was encompassed by Ron Paul was never in favor of walls, but they're also not in favor or giving Govt subsidies to companies hiring illegals or Govt aid to illegals, so it's no so simple as it might seem. You can build all the fences and walls in the world but if you keep giving them free medical, food, and housing they're going to find a way over here, and if you keep basically subsidizing companies to hire them they're going to keep finding ways to bring them in...

Bush was all for closing the borders, how did that work out?

You're only giving half of the story...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I can see your attempting to get your mojo back... Ron Paul's argument was that a wall on the border would keep you in as well as keep others out - it had nothing to do with free shit. But since you brought him up I'll use him as exhibit A as to why our immigration system is broken.
 Quoting: BeenAround®


Did I say it wasn't broken?
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Well you sure as hell aren't going to solve it with Libertarian policies. That shit is all fantasy. Fact is Ron Paul is nothing more than a snake oil salesman. If there's an immigration problem, his first question is not, "How can government solve the immigration problem," but "What government program must be eliminated to solve the immigration problem?" Trump's solution is not to add or subtract laws but to enforce laws.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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cruise
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hesright
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Yeah I remember more now. You lost your Mod status over this. You're a fucking traitor and a hypocrite.

hesright
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If you knew dick about dick you might know dick...but then you probably do...
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Truth hurts





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