people who seek to criminalize / illegalize abortion do not believe in G-d

There is a rumor that abortion is hidden ritual,blood letting in order to try to maintain power over the fallen kingdom and an attempt to stop God's Kingdom from manifesting.

Care to comment op?

G-d is all-knowing (omniscient), so therefore G-d knows ahead of time which fetuses will develop into viable babies and live a life...a life G-d knows of before it even occurs

staunch pro-lifers point to a verse regarding "before i formed you in the womb, i knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5) regarding conception as the beginning of life and to a fetus having a soul

well, those that do this apparently regard G-d as fallible, not all-knowing (omniniscient) not all-powerful (omnipotent), not present everywhere (omni-present), and obviously not with infinite understanding

this is really disrespectful to G-d and the height of hubris to foist their lack of faith and belief in G-d onto others

i am pro-life, but also pro-choice and i do NOT consider abortion to be murder or child sacrifice and probably not even killing

G-d knows before an abortion happens that it will occur, so the attempts at guilting women into believing they are murderers is very very egregiously wrong and essentially makes G-d out to be a clueless dumbass doofus, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.

immediately after trump said he thought women should be prosecuted for having an abortion is when i first said there is no way i can vote for him. his statements in the third debate, regarding scotus' appointments were extremely troubling, on top of his albeit-best-to-date performance-yet-still-woefully-not-ready-for-primetime abysmal performance

it is perverse to levy ones own personal choices and (in this case) false beliefs, based upon a lack of understanding of the most basic concepts regarding G-d, onto others. woe to those who do so.

i am not advocating women should get abortions or not, it is their choice, yet safe abortions must be available for women, that doesnt mean i think people shouldn't have to pay for it on their own. what one can and cannot afford would ideally be taken into consideration prior to engaging in sexual activity (this does not apply to cases of rape or incest).

some may say i am an eugenicist bc i think if a woman becomes pregnant through rape or incest she should have an abortion, but that is my own PERSONAL view and i would not FORCE a woman to have an abortion...i just think it is propagating defective dna / genes.

i also feel this way about women who get abortions from men who are abusive in any way, shape, or form....what sane woman wants to pass on that kind of bullshit tendency to her children?

there are plenty of traits i think are undesirable to pass along to offspring, which is why i consider mate selection to be VERY important and i dont mean the criteria you see on dating site or at sperm / egg banks...so, not a proponent of artifical insemination, ivf, etc. if someone is just using vitamins or pharmaceuticals to increase their fertility i dont really have an issue with that, though i do wonder what that would mean for their offspring...i mean are just going to keep going with the artifical until that is all that is possible? bc bad genes kept being propagated? it is a slippery slope and not one which i, personally, wish to tread.

jmho

take it or leave it, as you wish

have the strength of your conviction, one way or another though.

so, do you really believe in G-d and ALL that entails or do you just pay lip service to the idea without having the faith in G-d's capabilities???????

It's definitely a sacrifice ritual of some sort, to kill your progeny is imbecilic and insane

But i'll tell you the real reason, it's biblical, they're trying to eliminate any possibility that the messiah was born out of their arms and reach.

they study and know the bible more than the most prolific jews and Christians in the world, they know that God is something of a mystery, and works in mysterious ways.
All the stories hint to it,.
Most notable, Jesus was said to be born of an unlovable character in Mary.

It's definitely a sacrifice ritual of some sort, to kill your progeny is imbecilic and insane

But i'll tell you the real reason, it's biblical, they're trying to eliminate any possibility that the messiah was born out of their arms and reach.

they study and know the bible more than the most prolific jews and Christians in the world, they know that God is something of a mystery, and works in mysterious ways.
All the stories hint to it,.
Most notable, Jesus was said to be born of an unlovable character in Mary.

By your logic, murder is also not wrong, and if you say it is you don't believe in God. Why would God place a person on this earth, knowing that they would someday be killed. He knows all the decisions we will make so he knows the murderer will murder so it was all part of his plan.
What you fail to realize is, you are not privy to God's plan. You do not know what the larger picture is or your role in it. God allows Satin to temp us so that we may, through free will, make our own choice.

When you die you are going home to be with God. The murdered have made their journey. They have already played their part in the divine plan, it is the murderer that God has chosen to test, and they failed. God then gives the murderer a chance to repent and save themselves. He is constantly giving you a chance to cleanse yourself so that you may have eternal life in heaven.

G-d knows who will be born, to whom, when, and where.

This is made clear when G-d states when Sarah will bear Isaac.

What you two are engaging in is blood libel and all your assertions are false, fear based, and hate based.

By your logic, murder is also not wrong, and if you say it is you don't believe in God. Why would God place a person on this earth, knowing that they would someday be killed. He knows all the decisions we will make so he knows the murderer will murder so it was all part of his plan.
What you fail to realize is, you are not privy to God's plan. You do not know what the larger picture is or your role in it. God allows Satin to temp us so that we may, through free will, make our own choice.

When you die you are going home to be with God. The murdered have made their journey. They have already played their part in the divine plan, it is the murderer that God has chosen to test, and they failed. God then gives the murderer a chance to repent and save themselves. He is constantly giving you a chance to cleanse yourself so that you may have eternal life in heaven.

And you are saying God doesn't mind for a baby to be cut to pieces while alive in the mothers womb?

G-d knows who will be born, to whom, when, and where.

This is made clear when G-d states when Sarah will bear Isaac.

What you two are engaging in is blood libel and all your assertions are false, fear based, and hate based.

there is a commandment against murder and a prescribed punishment. G-d gave us that commandment.

of course murder is wrong!!!

It's definitely a sacrifice ritual of some sort, to kill your progeny is imbecilic and insane

But i'll tell you the real reason, it's biblical, they're trying to eliminate any possibility that the messiah was born out of their arms and reach.

they study and know the bible more than the most prolific jews and Christians in the world, they know that God is something of a mystery, and works in mysterious ways.
All the stories hint to it,.
Most notable, Jesus was said to be born of an unlovable character in Mary.

You are proving my point.

not at all.

the commandment is against murder, not killing. (im jot advocating for either)

i do concede / agree that just because G-d knows something will occur doesnt mean it isnt a crime, but there is no biblical basis for the case against abortion....and the verse used by those trying to pass laws to outlaw it do not hold water.....that is my whole point.

staunch pro-lifers point to a verse regarding "before i formed you in the womb, i knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5) regarding conception as the beginning of life and to a fetus having a soul

well, those that do this apparently regard G-d as fallible, not all-knowing (omniniscient) not all-powerful (omnipotent), not present everywhere (omni-present), and obviously not with infinite understanding

this is really disrespectful to G-d and the height of hubris to foist their lack of faith and belief in G-d onto others
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so/quoting The Words of The Almighty, The Master of the universe IS disrespectful ?
it proves ACCORDING TO YOU that then quoters OF The Word are then claiming The Almighty is fallible ?

and tying free will into aborting your child is what ?

is this the new excuse for sins committed with full consent of the will ? free will ?

it's blasphemy .

Some women who have immoral abortions SHOULD be punished. I dont agree with religious zealots trying to force everyone to have birth regardless the circumstance but i also disagree with people who think you should be able to just abort a baby for any reason at any time even if its healthy and 9 months old aka partial birth.

If its a legitimate rape AND its early then it can be aborted. If its extremely unhealthy or deformed then it can be aborted

Those are the only situations I can agree with abortions. Religious fanatics want to force women to birth even babies that will be severely deformed and in a vegetative state. Such people are evil and want to force people to suffer all because some old book written by some ancient man says so. Extreme pro lifers want to rip healthy babies from the womb at 9 months and say they dont have any rights and only care about the mother.