people who seek to criminalize / illegalize abortion do not believe in G-d

You sound as dumb as the cunt replying.


Both of you are equally asshats.

And so how does free will fit into all this?

we have free will, yet G-d having infinite knowledge and existing within and without of time knows our choices before we make them, G-d would never create a life meant to be born inside a woman's womb where that life would not be born...G-d is all-knowing and infallible

That doesnt make any sense not to mention you have zero proof god exists or what its nature is.

Some women who have immoral abortions SHOULD be punished. I dont agree with religious zealots trying to force everyone to have birth regardless the circumstance but i also disagree with people who think you should be able to just abort a baby for any reason at any time even if its healthy and 9 months old aka partial birth.

If its a legitimate rape AND its early then it can be aborted. If its extremely unhealthy or deformed then it can be aborted

Those are the only situations I can agree with abortions. Religious fanatics want to force women to birth even babies that will be severely deformed and in a vegetative state. Such people are evil and want to force people to suffer all because some old book written by some ancient man says so. Extreme pro lifers want to rip healthy babies from the womb at 9 months and say they dont have any rights and only care about the mother.

Some women who have immoral abortions SHOULD be punished. I dont agree with religious zealots trying to force everyone to have birth regardless the circumstance but i also disagree with people who think you should be able to just abort a baby for any reason at any time even if its healthy and 9 months old aka partial birth.

If its a legitimate rape AND its early then it can be aborted. If its extremely unhealthy or deformed then it can be aborted

Those are the only situations I can agree with abortions. Religious fanatics want to force women to birth even babies that will be severely deformed and in a vegetative state. Such people are evil and want to force people to suffer all because some old book written by some ancient man says so. Extreme pro lifers want to rip healthy babies from the womb at 9 months and say they dont have any rights and only care about the mother.

That doesnt make any sense not to mention you have zero proof god exists or what its nature is.

G-d is all-knowing (omniscient), so therefore G-d knows ahead of time which fetuses will develop into viable babies and live a life...a life G-d knows of before it even occurs

staunch pro-lifers point to a verse regarding "before i formed you in the womb, i knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5) regarding conception as the beginning of life and to a fetus having a soul

well, those that do this apparently regard G-d as fallible, not all-knowing (omniniscient) not all-powerful (omnipotent), not present everywhere (omni-present), and obviously not with infinite understanding

this is really disrespectful to G-d and the height of hubris to foist their lack of faith and belief in G-d onto others

i am pro-life, but also pro-choice and i do NOT consider abortion to be murder or child sacrifice and probably not even killing

G-d knows before an abortion happens that it will occur, so the attempts at guilting women into believing they are murderers is very very egregiously wrong and essentially makes G-d out to be a clueless dumbass doofus, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.

immediately after trump said he thought women should be prosecuted for having an abortion is when i first said there is no way i can vote for him. his statements in the third debate, regarding scotus' appointments were extremely troubling, on top of his albeit-best-to-date performance-yet-still-woefully-not-ready-for-primetime abysmal performance

it is perverse to levy ones own personal choices and (in this case) false beliefs, based upon a lack of understanding of the most basic concepts regarding G-d, onto others. woe to those who do so.

i am not advocating women should get abortions or not, it is their choice, yet safe abortions must be available for women, that doesnt mean i think people shouldn't have to pay for it on their own. what one can and cannot afford would ideally be taken into consideration prior to engaging in sexual activity (this does not apply to cases of rape or incest).

some may say i am an eugenicist bc i think if a woman becomes pregnant through rape or incest she should have an abortion, but that is my own PERSONAL view and i would not FORCE a woman to have an abortion...i just think it is propagating defective dna / genes.

i also feel this way about women who get abortions from men who are abusive in any way, shape, or form....what sane woman wants to pass on that kind of bullshit tendency to her children?

there are plenty of traits i think are undesirable to pass along to offspring, which is why i consider mate selection to be VERY important and i dont mean the criteria you see on dating site or at sperm / egg banks...so, not a proponent of artifical insemination, ivf, etc. if someone is just using vitamins or pharmaceuticals to increase their fertility i dont really have an issue with that, though i do wonder what that would mean for their offspring...i mean are just going to keep going with the artifical until that is all that is possible? bc bad genes kept being propagated? it is a slippery slope and not one which i, personally, wish to tread.

jmho

take it or leave it, as you wish

have the strength of your conviction, one way or another though.

so, do you really believe in G-d and ALL that entails or do you just pay lip service to the idea without having the faith in G-d's capabilities???????

i dont like partial birth abortions either

if it is a case where the mother would die and leave her existing children and a newborn motherless...i mean it is her choice....G-d knows how it will turn out...G-d cannot be surprised by our actions

like i wrote, i am pro-life and pro-choice...i am not advocating for abortion, but i am stating that G-d knows, so G-d isnt going to place a soul who He wants born into a situation where the soul isnt given a chance to live ... our personal beliefs and feelings are just that, personal.

...and no one should bear children just because society says so. Regardless of society's reasons for wanting progeny.

I think it's child abuse to bring an unwanted child into the world. People who do so, do a disservice to their offspring.

God also knows when someone is going to commit a terrorist attack. Does that make it ok?

There is a rumor that abortion is hidden ritual,blood letting in order to try to maintain power over the fallen kingdom and an attempt to stop God's Kingdom from manifesting.

Care to comment op?

I dont see any reason to think "God" knows the future. I doubt such a thing is even possible. The future is unknowable until it is the present. Perhaps a God can be omniscient but that wouldnt necessitate knowing the future, it would just mean knowing the entire past and present. At best such a being could have great foresight and forecasting abilities but not with any degree of absolute certainty. As I said that undermines freewill and devolves into circular reasoning.

It's definitely a sacrifice ritual of some sort, to kill your progeny is imbecilic and insane

But i'll tell you the real reason, it's biblical, they're trying to eliminate any possibility that the messiah was born out of their arms and reach.

they study and know the bible more than the most prolific jews and Christians in the world, they know that God is something of a mystery, and works in mysterious ways.
All the stories hint to it,.
Most notable, Jesus was said to be born of an unlovable character in Mary.

agreed

G-d is all-knowing (omniscient), so therefore G-d knows ahead of time which fetuses will develop into viable babies and live a life...a life G-d knows of before it even occurs

staunch pro-lifers point to a verse regarding "before i formed you in the womb, i knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5) regarding conception as the beginning of life and to a fetus having a soul

well, those that do this apparently regard G-d as fallible, not all-knowing (omniniscient) not all-powerful (omnipotent), not present everywhere (omni-present), and obviously not with infinite understanding

this is really disrespectful to G-d and the height of hubris to foist their lack of faith and belief in G-d onto others

i am pro-life, but also pro-choice and i do NOT consider abortion to be murder or child sacrifice and probably not even killing

G-d knows before an abortion happens that it will occur, so the attempts at guilting women into believing they are murderers is very very egregiously wrong and essentially makes G-d out to be a clueless dumbass doofus, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.

immediately after trump said he thought women should be prosecuted for having an abortion is when i first said there is no way i can vote for him. his statements in the third debate, regarding scotus' appointments were extremely troubling, on top of his albeit-best-to-date performance-yet-still-woefully-not-ready-for-primetime abysmal performance

it is perverse to levy ones own personal choices and (in this case) false beliefs, based upon a lack of understanding of the most basic concepts regarding G-d, onto others. woe to those who do so.

i am not advocating women should get abortions or not, it is their choice, yet safe abortions must be available for women, that doesnt mean i think people shouldn't have to pay for it on their own. what one can and cannot afford would ideally be taken into consideration prior to engaging in sexual activity (this does not apply to cases of rape or incest).

some may say i am an eugenicist bc i think if a woman becomes pregnant through rape or incest she should have an abortion, but that is my own PERSONAL view and i would not FORCE a woman to have an abortion...i just think it is propagating defective dna / genes.

i also feel this way about women who get abortions from men who are abusive in any way, shape, or form....what sane woman wants to pass on that kind of bullshit tendency to her children?

there are plenty of traits i think are undesirable to pass along to offspring, which is why i consider mate selection to be VERY important and i dont mean the criteria you see on dating site or at sperm / egg banks...so, not a proponent of artifical insemination, ivf, etc. if someone is just using vitamins or pharmaceuticals to increase their fertility i dont really have an issue with that, though i do wonder what that would mean for their offspring...i mean are just going to keep going with the artifical until that is all that is possible? bc bad genes kept being propagated? it is a slippery slope and not one which i, personally, wish to tread.

jmho

take it or leave it, as you wish

have the strength of your conviction, one way or another though.

so, do you really believe in G-d and ALL that entails or do you just pay lip service to the idea without having the faith in G-d's capabilities???????

so OP ?
what then is The Almighty's responsibilities for ""allowing"" murderers,rapists.abusers on and on to not only be conceived, but TO BE BORN and develop into adulthood ???

what does that MAKE The Almighty then ?

your thought process is based on your human limitations and flawed.

G-d knows who will be born, to whom, when, and where.

This is made clear when G-d states when Sarah will bear Isaac.

What you two are engaging in is blood libel and all your assertions are false, fear based, and hate based.

By your logic, murder is also not wrong, and if you say it is you don't believe in God. Why would God place a person on this earth, knowing that they would someday be killed. He knows all the decisions we will make so he knows the murderer will murder so it was all part of his plan.
What you fail to realize is, you are not privy to God's plan. You do not know what the larger picture is or your role in it. God allows Satin to temp us so that we may, through free will, make our own choice.

When you die you are going home to be with God. The murdered have made their journey. They have already played their part in the divine plan, it is the murderer that God has chosen to test, and they failed. God then gives the murderer a chance to repent and save themselves. He is constantly giving you a chance to cleanse yourself so that you may have eternal life in heaven.