If God Exists...

I grew up very religious in the Mormon church and have met with a challenging crisis of faith. I grew up believing I was a Child of God with infinite possibilities, but that inspiring hope that was instilled in me does not seem that it can truly be. Deep down I hold out hope that perhaps there is a God in the universe, but looking around at the world, this does not seem to be true.

If you decide to watch even a portion of this video, I'd like to hear how you reconcile the challenges put forth by the video's author.

Whatever you believe, isn't it better to love and help one another than to pity and shame them? My aim is not to tear you down, but to buoy you up!

Blasphemy showing a complete lack of understanding of the character and attributes of YHWH.

Watch this video and see what you think about a greatly contrasting view of God.


I'm sorry that you grew up filled with the lies of Mormonism...but God can be known. Seek him while he may be found.

Who was the Big guy Bonfire ....?

And Where did you think Yahweh go at the end lol

Yes I'm here, waht do you want?

I think the big guy is just a narrator that represents the current state of humanity. The questions posed are some of the ones that I would pose if presented the opportunity to speak to YHVH/God.

At long last, I'm grateful for growing up Mormon and have come to terms with that aspect of my life, though I truly appreciate your sympathy. Thank you.



I believe that recognizing one's errors and doing all one can to correct them is VITAL to our peaceful coexistence. Is this not the message of the Gospel and repentance itself?

However, how do you know that you've sinned against god/nature/one another/everything? How do you know God's rules? How do you know that God is there to enforce them? How do you know you need to be saved? How do you know that God is God and Jesus and his supposed eternal sacrifice is even relevant to anything?

Why do we need a concept of God when we already have a concept of Good? God doesn't seem to be good according to the Bible and there's much that has been done in his name that is not good. How do you know that your God is the most good?

God seems like a personification of Good, but this has had some unintended and devastating implications according to history...

But If The Creator is All That is.... The Big Guy is Yahweh lolol

That is a tough one to understand I know lolol

If the big guy is Yahweh, then he proposed reasons as to why the universe doesn't need him and he doesn't exist. Perhaps that's why Yahweh disappeared at the end.

Or maybe he decide to be part of his creation and to better understand it at this Levels and stage is to be ONE OF US ..!

And the Funny Thing of you're saying he Doesn't exist is that All The Universe is INSIDE OF HIS BODY ...!

Reality does not exist when we are not observing it...? LoL

AnyWay..!

pretty sure it's a logical fallacy to pretend we could possibly understand the motivations or power of an existence that could create our existence.

whatever you want to imagine about god, it might be just our imagination, while god watches on to let us have our free will.

god might have little to do with humans using the name of god to manipulate other humans, perhaps religion as we know it and god are farther separated than we can even dream.

I would truly love the opportunity to communicate with God with no doubt of the authenticity of such a privilege, that is, if he were to decide to be a part of his creation.

Are you suggesting that omnipotent and all powerful God exists in the flesh? Why is he not more active in our lives? How is it not undeniable that he exists? Why does there seem to be an extreme lack of evidence for his existence, let alone his physical existence?

Reality exists independent of us and does not require our observation. I can set out a plant in the garden and it will grow whether I watch it or not.

There seems to be no verifiable evidence proving any interaction of a God with his creation and no evidence proving that God has a plan, has a purpose, or a future with humanity.

If God exists, he should either have sent or send prophets to heal the schism between Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, who are all sons of Abraham and coparticipants in God's covenant with their shared father, instead of leaving his supposed creation to operate without him like clockwork.

I do realize that you don't want to acknowledge a supreme Creator...! that is fine with me you know ..!

Have a great and wonderful day Bonfire

Thank you, Operator.

I'm actually very willing to acknowledge a supreme, omnipotent, omnipresent creator that participates actively in the lives of his creations.

However, this seems to be the opposite of reality. Perhaps you have some evidence to the contrary, or some way of interacting with God that I am unaware of. Is this the case?

Well there is your problem. He does not Actively Participate in our Lives.


Muslims for example think that if they pray enough and are loyal to their god then he will answer their prayers.

But this isnt the supreme being who intervenes.

You know evidence I will put 5 pages of reply and it will still not change you're view on this Bonfire..!

You need to Rely upon yourself to teach yourself all you need to know and understand regarding this amazing aspect of reality is there.

The only thing I could say is The first key to the kingdom of heaven within is to know thy self...... The first lock upon the gate is the one towards seeing who we are and what we are..... whatever it may be.... Once that locked is breached...... the soul moves inward and upward toward wonder.... beauty.... joy... grace.... and ecstasy. And No other person than you can unlock that gate. You must do it.

Your hand must be on the key...... And the key itself is made of the metals of honesty and sincerity coupled with a willingness to face whatever you see and learn about yourself with humility and courage.

All you see is part of you.... All that is, You ARE.

If he doesn't actively participate, how can anyone know that God exists? If there is no active participation, there ought not to be any evidence. But without any evidence nor active participation, how is anyone even remotely aware of the presence of God?

How is God omnipresent but non-interactive? How is God omnipotent if he never exercises power?

How you connect with the world makes changes in how the world connects with you. lol

Correct. Mormon's do not know Jesus. Their jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible, nor is he God.

apparently you have never heard of the baha'i faith. it is recent enough that there are photo's of the phophet and the teachings are completely peaceful, no war or hostilities where ever created by this religion but many have been prosecuted for believing in it. mel gibson was going to do a movie i believe called Mia which was a story in the last 20 years about women who where executed for there faith in this, it is why he was black balled for a time, punished by his masters.

As for the universe part and choosing earth:

Nehemiah 9:6
Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

The heavens seem to already know God.


As for God treating everyone equal and revealing himself to all mankind:

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Question is this, would a just and holy God, who hates all workers of iniquity and those who love violence...while in the presences of all his enemies, would he destroy them? For John 14 promises that God will reveal himself to those who love him. Could he be protecting those who hate him?


As for the chosen people of Israel:


Genesis 12:1-3
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


Exodus 32:13
Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.


If the plan of God isn't working, explain how Christianity is the main religion of the united states? Disciple are sent out into the world to spread the good news. Those who deny it, they made their choice. Some may choose their god over the Almighty but even Christians have to choose truth over all the heresy.


Another thing...God preserves the universe. It doesn't run by itself. It also runs by the commandments of God.

The Creator of All has sent Emissaries to carry out his will.

These are known as the Four Luminaries. They are Aeons from the Pleroma.

One of them is Galzu, and another is the Jesus the Divine Autogenes.

They came to guide the destiny of humanity along a certain path.

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” -- Marcus Aurelius

We must understand that God cannot lie. Therefore all truth put into motion cannot be taken back. So when he promises to speak through a prophet "lest they die," then he must speak through a prophet as promised. As for those who love God, they actually know him. For they Meet together and have fellowship.

Do you accept Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

You all want to change the world and make it a better place. The changes you see in the world should be seen in ourselves first.

I really think that if The Creator Was here for you today It will said something Like You don't have to be perfect.

Far from it...... You only need to be sincere in your internal effort to understand and be.... that greater sense of LOVE flooding your soul every day...... The more you try to translate that energy downward and outward into your daily life by living example in your personal affairs and realities.... the more that life-line of wisdom..... knowledge... LOVE.... and contact... increases.

But you know I am not him.... to know Or talk for him..!

But I really think... A good heart linked with LOVE.... will keep your ship heading in the right direction.

AnyWay..!

I am, but I am separate from everything else that is because I am unique, though my actions and decisions affect my surroundings so I am a separate part interacting with all that is. By knowing that I am is to also know that everything else is not me.

How can I rely on myself to teach myself all I need to know? I don't know even a fraction of all there is to know, but I can learn from everyone and everything else. This is why I question. One thing I cannot be given is a knowledge of God. Why is this?

Is God within us or beyond us? If he is both within and beyond us, why am I clearly separate from God? Why does God declare himself as the great "I am" if he is within me and I am separate from all that is?



I am trying to be the change I wish to see in the world. Is God a concept or a real entity? I don't mind if he is a concept that requires belief in an ethereal entity, but if so, isn't there some way for all of us to promote more honesty in relation to God?

Last Edited by Bonfire on 10/03/2016 02:04 PM

How do you know there are four luminaries?
What's an Aeon?
What's a Pleroma?
Who is Galzu?
What is Autogenes?

What certain path is the destiny of humanity being guided along?

That's not true, I never lie but everyone keep lying so shove that bs up your own ass old cunt

How do you know Mormons do not know Jesus?
How do you know Jesus is God?

Do you have a personal experience or some way of relating with God to confirm your understanding in an undoubtable way?

see what I mean with page of page of page OF reply ..!

You know You don't go to a building and listen to someone for know God. You live goodness from your inner church..... your heart. That's where God is.

If The Petals of The Heart is CLOSE by your CHOICES yes you will be clearly separate from God..!