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Just A Heroin Junkie
(OP) User ID: 72099278 United Kingdom 10/02/2016 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seeing this people on TV/video/ even meeting them in pubs & bars etc identifying as "Irish-American" is really starting to piss me off. Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie I will never understand why someone who wasn't born in Ireland, has likely never even visited Ireland and only has a direct relation from that country, some bloody six or seven generations back BUT insists on identifying to an almost psychotic level with that country, WTF? When I have visited America and been into Irish bars, I have been in some sticky situations with over-identified Irish-Americans going apeshit, threatening violence for me being British (I am half Irish) and for pointing out their hypocrisies and total lack of understanding of what they want to believe is their culture. Walking into an "Irish-American" bar is like watching the blackest of black comedies with so-called "Irish" whiskey named "Black and Tan" (no doubt purchased and drunk completely unironically right?) I nearly shit myself when I saw it and the "Irish-American" dickheads drinking "Irish Car Bombs" thinking it's something that flies back in the old country. Someone seriously needs to make a comedy sketch about "Irish Americans" having drinks to drown their sorrows after the Boston bombing, and ordering "Irish car bombs" when they get to the bar. This is ironically a function of your own lack of cultural awareness. You don't live here and yet you think you understand us better than we do...which is kind of worse than over identifying with ones genetic past. Americans of Irish ancestry indeed do have distinct cultural and social behavior just as Italians still do; and of course Asian, Hispanic and many other smaller groups of immigrants. The reason is because Irish were one of the last to show up...after the Brits starved them out of their own country. I come from a very big Irish family and so does my boyfriend. I grew up on a street of almost exclusively Irish families that lived there since the 1800's. Not one single time in my life have I ever heard a family member talk about Ireland as if they know what its like to live in Ireland. It's about being "Irish" more than being "from Ireland." K? We have our own problems to sort out because of the late 19th century traumas, slavery, indentured servitude and robber barons. Remember "Irish need not apply?" That wasn't so long ago and that attitude still persists in some areas. Since you were not born in America, you are clueless about the psychology of living in a country that was manifested out of thin air and full of nothing but self aware immigrants. We have zero connection to our ancestry as Britain, Ireland and Scotland do. So, excuse us if we try to hold on to some kind of genetic memory or connection to the past in any way we can. I have 4 great grandparents from Ireland. I have the photos of their stern Irish faces. You are an ignorant cunt to think that only three generations out, all of that Irish social behavior and tradition would just wash out. Furthermore, all cultures change over time whether they are mobile or not. Language , clothing, food, etc. all evolve. That is all you are witnessing. What you see here in America IS an evolution from our Irish ancestors. However, time and location do alter traditions or trends. Even trends and traditions are different in Ireland than they were 100 years ago. To sum up, you are a complete fucking moron who attempted to come off as savvy and bolster yourself by attacking citizens of another country; and you failed miserably. Got to wonder why OP has such a problem with the descendents of immigrant Irish celebrating their heritage in Diaspora...Is it jealousy because he is not really Irish? Nagging guilt over the tyranny of his Orangemen forebears over indigenous Irish? Frustration over the fact that the Irish were not wiped out, but multiplied and flourished in America? Generational anti-Catholic sentiment? Lack of sobriety and a meaningful existence? What is the problem? Fun fact, I'm genetically more Irish than most of you and I'd never dream of calling myself Irish. I was born in England, and England is the country that shaped me to be who I am. The fact my DNA came from wherever, or that my Gran had an Irish accent means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. The need to be from somewhere else is a very foreign concept to me, and I don't understand it at all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63856561 United States 10/02/2016 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a Londoner, mentioned it a few times on here, no secret, but I've lived in Ireland for 15 years now. Society here's more relaxed and generally chilled. The UK's like a police state nowadays. Quoting: Tess. I see. Thanks for answering. Never been to Ireland. Looks great. Would like to. Been to the U.K. a few times. Why am I not using pronouns? Lol |
Deplorable American Colleen User ID: 70175159 United States 10/02/2016 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seeing this people on TV/video/ even meeting them in pubs & bars etc identifying as "Irish-American" is really starting to piss me off. Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie I will never understand why someone who wasn't born in Ireland, has likely never even visited Ireland and only has a direct relation from that country, some bloody six or seven generations back BUT insists on identifying to an almost psychotic level with that country, WTF? When I have visited America and been into Irish bars, I have been in some sticky situations with over-identified Irish-Americans going apeshit, threatening violence for me being British (I am half Irish) and for pointing out their hypocrisies and total lack of understanding of what they want to believe is their culture. Walking into an "Irish-American" bar is like watching the blackest of black comedies with so-called "Irish" whiskey named "Black and Tan" (no doubt purchased and drunk completely unironically right?) I nearly shit myself when I saw it and the "Irish-American" dickheads drinking "Irish Car Bombs" thinking it's something that flies back in the old country. Someone seriously needs to make a comedy sketch about "Irish Americans" having drinks to drown their sorrows after the Boston bombing, and ordering "Irish car bombs" when they get to the bar. This is ironically a function of your own lack of cultural awareness. You don't live here and yet you think you understand us better than we do...which is kind of worse than over identifying with ones genetic past. Americans of Irish ancestry indeed do have distinct cultural and social behavior just as Italians still do; and of course Asian, Hispanic and many other smaller groups of immigrants. The reason is because Irish were one of the last to show up...after the Brits starved them out of their own country. I come from a very big Irish family and so does my boyfriend. I grew up on a street of almost exclusively Irish families that lived there since the 1800's. Not one single time in my life have I ever heard a family member talk about Ireland as if they know what its like to live in Ireland. It's about being "Irish" more than being "from Ireland." K? We have our own problems to sort out because of the late 19th century traumas, slavery, indentured servitude and robber barons. Remember "Irish need not apply?" That wasn't so long ago and that attitude still persists in some areas. Since you were not born in America, you are clueless about the psychology of living in a country that was manifested out of thin air and full of nothing but self aware immigrants. We have zero connection to our ancestry as Britain, Ireland and Scotland do. So, excuse us if we try to hold on to some kind of genetic memory or connection to the past in any way we can. I have 4 great grandparents from Ireland. I have the photos of their stern Irish faces. You are an ignorant cunt to think that only three generations out, all of that Irish social behavior and tradition would just wash out. Furthermore, all cultures change over time whether they are mobile or not. Language , clothing, food, etc. all evolve. That is all you are witnessing. What you see here in America IS an evolution from our Irish ancestors. However, time and location do alter traditions or trends. Even trends and traditions are different in Ireland than they were 100 years ago. To sum up, you are a complete fucking moron who attempted to come off as savvy and bolster yourself by attacking citizens of another country; and you failed miserably. Got to wonder why OP has such a problem with the descendents of immigrant Irish celebrating their heritage in Diaspora...Is it jealousy because he is not really Irish? Nagging guilt over the tyranny of his Orangemen forebears over indigenous Irish? Frustration over the fact that the Irish were not wiped out, but multiplied and flourished in America? Generational anti-Catholic sentiment? Lack of sobriety and a meaningful existence? What is the problem? Fun fact, I'm genetically more Irish than most of you and I'd never dream of calling myself Irish. I was born in England, and England is the country that shaped me to be who I am. The fact my DNA came from wherever, or that my Gran had an Irish accent means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. The need to be from somewhere else is a very foreign concept to me, and I don't understand it at all. Ah, so in your mind, it's acceptable for people to identify with the country in which where they were born and bred, but not with the country of their ethnic and cultural heritage. To each his own, but your angry venting suggests deeper issues. Amazingly, you generated a 9-page thread with your vitriolic outburst. Time to stick a fork in it though...it's done. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70399495 United States 10/02/2016 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya, and do you know what I hate even more? god damn ninny twit cocksucking limey bastards! I'd kick the fucking shit out of you no matter what bar you went into, except a fag bar. You can go in there if you want to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70399495 and here's to the queen SUCKIN MY DICK!!! I have never met a real Irishman that would say anything close to what you just said, You do know that Ireland is a Nation with a vast army of the great writers and thinkers ? You are not one of them, just some Trog. I'm not at all irish in any way, and never claimed to be, you DIPSHIT! Hey, did you know that accusing someone of being irish is considered to be an insult in England? When one limey does something stupid, another limey will say "that was mighty IRISH of you!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66367081 Ireland 10/02/2016 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya, and do you know what I hate even more? god damn ninny twit cocksucking limey bastards! I'd kick the fucking shit out of you no matter what bar you went into, except a fag bar. You can go in there if you want to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70399495 and here's to the queen SUCKIN MY DICK!!! I have never met a real Irishman that would say anything close to what you just said, You do know that Ireland is a Nation with a vast army of the great writers and thinkers ? You are not one of them, just some Trog. I'm not at all irish in any way, and never claimed to be, you DIPSHIT! Hey, did you know that accusing someone of being irish is considered to be an insult in England? When one limey does something stupid, another limey will say "that was mighty IRISH of you!" Bullshit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72348035 Panama 10/02/2016 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm much older and can remember a time before Americans of European descent were all lumped together under the label of "white." We had Irish neighborhoods, Polish neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, etc., and they all had their own distinct character and a tendency to circle the wagons a bit. I recall on my first visit to Pennsylvania in the 80's having perfect strangers walk up to me on more than one occasion and ask me, "Are you Polish or Italian?" When I told them I was Irish, this seemed to be an acceptable, neutral answer; no one had a problem with it. When I was a child, growing up in the 40's and 50's, there was still a remaining stigma associated with being Irish. Some parents would not let their children play with me because I was Irish. I think one reason why Americans of Irish descent cling so tenaciously to their Irish heritage is due to their history of persecution in the USA. The persecution was very bad and also fairly recent. It's recent enough that a generation of us who faced discrimination for being Irish still lives. Our reaction to being treated like dirt was in-your-face defiance and clinging even tighter to our shamrocks, claddaghs and crosses. I think Irish-Americans are also more insular than other Americans of European descent. We still tend to stick together and have each other backs. |
Just A Heroin Junkie
(OP) User ID: 72099278 United Kingdom 10/02/2016 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya, and do you know what I hate even more? god damn ninny twit cocksucking limey bastards! I'd kick the fucking shit out of you no matter what bar you went into, except a fag bar. You can go in there if you want to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70399495 and here's to the queen SUCKIN MY DICK!!! I have never met a real Irishman that would say anything close to what you just said, You do know that Ireland is a Nation with a vast army of the great writers and thinkers ? You are not one of them, just some Trog. I'm not at all irish in any way, and never claimed to be, you DIPSHIT! Hey, did you know that accusing someone of being irish is considered to be an insult in England? When one limey does something stupid, another limey will say "that was mighty IRISH of you!" Bullshit. No you dumb, fat sow. He is right. I have heard this saying plenty of times, mostly by the older generation. |
ShrekM8
User ID: 70077864 Ireland 10/02/2016 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .. "Irish-Americans going apeshit, threatening violence for me being British (I am half Irish) and for pointing out their hypocrisies" Quoting: Tess. Hmm - sounds more like you're being a know it all wanker. Exactly Tess. Lately there has been a spate of malcontent toothrot brits yanking (no pun intended) the Irish-American's chain. Its visceral. Now that these defanged, declawed uk clowns are backed into a corner by just about everyone out comes the inevitable bile directed at Irish in the States. And now we have this bowling ball with a six pack of sausages for a neck claiming he is half irish. BS. His problem is is wants to live the American Dream; i.e. to be 100% Irish. ShrekM8 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72348035 Panama 10/02/2016 06:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's an interesting fact. I've noticed that the people pushing all this white privilege propaganda have been running into a brick wall with Irish-Americans, who have been pushing back. The Irish fought much too long and hard to get people to stop treating them like second-class citizens in America, and it looks like anyone trying to foist that crap on them again is going to get a big knock-down drag-out fight. I've noticed that TPTB have now begun creating special propaganda to address the Irish. They're trying to whitewash the history of Irish persecution, and it's not flying. Irish-Americans know they're history much too well. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26094240 Ireland 10/02/2016 07:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Irish are genetically peasants. Thus they have been always trailing behind the Germanic bloodlines. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71694221 I've found they're the opposite. They're much more adventurous than most nations, the younger generation especially. Haven't known a single family here where they haven't travelled round the world. They were only 'peasants' in the past because they were trapped by poverty, kept in a feudal manner by English landlords, tilling poor soil etc - and I'm saying this as an Englishwoman. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70399495 United States 10/02/2016 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72894594 I have never met a real Irishman that would say anything close to what you just said, You do know that Ireland is a Nation with a vast army of the great writers and thinkers ? You are not one of them, just some Trog. I'm not at all irish in any way, and never claimed to be, you DIPSHIT! Hey, did you know that accusing someone of being irish is considered to be an insult in England? When one limey does something stupid, another limey will say "that was mighty IRISH of you!" Bullshit. No you dumb, fat sow. He is right. I have heard this saying plenty of times, mostly by the older generation. hahahaha. hey, did you ever hear the phrase "over-sexed, over-paid, and over here"? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70399495 United States 10/02/2016 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya, and do you know what I hate even more? god damn ninny twit cocksucking limey bastards! I'd kick the fucking shit out of you no matter what bar you went into, except a fag bar. You can go in there if you want to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70399495 and here's to the queen SUCKIN MY DICK!!! I have never met a real Irishman that would say anything close to what you just said, You do know that Ireland is a Nation with a vast army of the great writers and thinkers ? You are not one of them, just some Trog. I'm not at all irish in any way, and never claimed to be, you DIPSHIT! Hey, did you know that accusing someone of being irish is considered to be an insult in England? When one limey does something stupid, another limey will say "that was mighty IRISH of you!" Bullshit. yep, and here in the US, there used to be a lot of signs like this. [link to c1.staticflickr.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51578920 Ireland 10/02/2016 08:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was born in America but was raised in Ireland. ALL my family are American, in the main. (except my French Aunty) So, what does that make me??? American-Irish??? WTH?? I am as confused as fuk now. OP, can you pass us that spliff?? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70399495 United States 10/02/2016 08:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51578920 I was born in America but was raised in Ireland. ALL my family are American, in the main. (except my French Aunty) So, what does that make me??? American-Irish??? WTH?? I am as confused as fuk now. OP, can you pass us that spliff?? hmmmm, I'd say you'd be the runt of the litter in both countries. I suggest you convert to Islam and join Islamic State. They'll probably toss you off the tallest building, but at least you'll be out of your misery. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64307741 United Kingdom 10/02/2016 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seeing this people on TV/video/ even meeting them in pubs & bars etc identifying as "Irish-American" is really starting to piss me off. Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie I will never understand why someone who wasn't born in Ireland, has likely never even visited Ireland and only has a direct relation from that country, some bloody six or seven generations back BUT insists on identifying to an almost psychotic level with that country, WTF? When I have visited America and been into Irish bars, I have been in some sticky situations with over-identified Irish-Americans going apeshit, threatening violence for me being British (I am half Irish) and for pointing out their hypocrisies and total lack of understanding of what they want to believe is their culture. Walking into an "Irish-American" bar is like watching the blackest of black comedies with so-called "Irish" whiskey named "Black and Tan" (no doubt purchased and drunk completely unironically right?) I nearly shit myself when I saw it and the "Irish-American" dickheads drinking "Irish Car Bombs" thinking it's something that flies back in the old country. Someone seriously needs to make a comedy sketch about "Irish Americans" having drinks to drown their sorrows after the Boston bombing, and ordering "Irish car bombs" when they get to the bar. So I'm 1/4 Irish, 3/4 Scottish, by grandparents, I grew up in England so have an accent local to my upbringing. I met an ardent "Boston/ Irish" IRA supported Catholic guy in the USA and he would have loved to kick my ass, he did not have the balls to try as I'm a bit large and vicious looking, he had much to say about me being the English Oppressor Royalist and all that, blathering on about some crap that never crosses my mind, it is all very WTF ? I think my grandparents got to England because things were better there,3 Prots and one Catholic, none who did church as far as I know, I just do not get the broad assumptions that are made by the so called Irish catholics, it is very odd. I was not there, none of my family owned slaves. I was also called a Yankee, several times, by rednecks in Florida and a Cracker, by black people in Florida. How much of life is affected by false assumptions and shitty understandings of history ! Clueless people, ardent about falsehoods and misapprehensions and propaganda. Scary really, how thick some people are. Neither he nor I have ever stepped a foot in Ireland or even Scotland. WTF. All cheeky backward savage cunts |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71994152 United States 10/02/2016 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree. Both my parents were Irish, and I'm entitled to an Irish passport, but I was born in England and grew up here. I look Irish, but I would consider it presumptuous, and insulting to the people who really live there, to claim 'I am' Irish. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53638735 Yet in America, you hear people saying, 'Oh, I'm Irish.' If you ask them what part of Ireland they're from, it turns out they just had one great grandparent originally from there! Lol! It is evident that you have no knowledge of the US and our history, or of american culture. There are historical reasons on why this is done in the US. When outside of the US, when asked, we assume we are being asked about our nationality. We either say american, or whatever state we are from. In the US, it depends on the context of the question. They can either be asking what city and state, or your family's country of origin. It really depends on the conversation and the context. Usually it refers to city or state. It is a different country than yours, with a different start, and different people moving here from a lot of different places to settle the country. Of course our culture and customs will be different than yours in quite a few ways. You can tell the difference in culture here in the different states, and even in the cities and towns within each state,; depending on which people settled them. Americans have always done this. Don't confuse nationality and heritage though, because it is two different things. the British are the most self congratulatory group of ignorant people that exist on this planet, right after Canadians. they call Americans ignorant, while being ignorant themselves. its because all the ones with balls left by the 1970's, now the island is filled with fags and troubled drug addicts like OP Diversity returns as they fill the gap with Muslim jihadists. They make excellent Brits. Jolly good and all that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45540553 Ireland 10/02/2016 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree. Both my parents were Irish, and I'm entitled to an Irish passport, but I was born in England and grew up here. I look Irish, but I would consider it presumptuous, and insulting to the people who really live there, to claim 'I am' Irish. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53638735 Yet in America, you hear people saying, 'Oh, I'm Irish.' If you ask them what part of Ireland they're from, it turns out they just had one great grandparent originally from there! Lol! It is evident that you have no knowledge of the US and our history, or of american culture. There are historical reasons on why this is done in the US. When outside of the US, when asked, we assume we are being asked about our nationality. We either say american, or whatever state we are from. In the US, it depends on the context of the question. They can either be asking what city and state, or your family's country of origin. It really depends on the conversation and the context. Usually it refers to city or state. It is a different country than yours, with a different start, and different people moving here from a lot of different places to settle the country. Of course our culture and customs will be different than yours in quite a few ways. You can tell the difference in culture here in the different states, and even in the cities and towns within each state,; depending on which people settled them. Americans have always done this. Don't confuse nationality and heritage though, because it is two different things. the British are the most self congratulatory group of ignorant people that exist on this planet, right after Canadians. they call Americans ignorant, while being ignorant themselves. its because all the ones with balls left by the 1970's, now the island is filled with fags and troubled drug addicts like OP Diversity returns as they fill the gap with Muslim jihadists. They make excellent Brits. Jolly good and all that. Love how this thread was by an Irishman dissing Americans, and you end up slagging off the English. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72348035 Panama 10/02/2016 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Where have you been here?" Right, miss read. All around it. Like most tourists. Doesn't take long. It must seem tiny in every perspective to you :))) It's a great little country. Sorry you left with that impression :))) Next time you come here, give me a bell and I'll show you round! Well, you're nice. I can't say I can blame the Irish as they have been inundated with tourists for some time now and my distinct impression is that they are tired of it. That surprises me to hear that. Maybe things have changed in the last 2 decades? I was in Ireland 20-years ago. Like you, I toured most of the island, starting in Shannon and ending in Dublin. I never got any impression that Americans were disliked or that tourists were unwanted. I received a warm and friendly reception most everywhere, except for Dublin. The people were not rude or mean in Dublin, but they were a bit cooler and more aloof there. I just chalked it up to big city attitude. There was plenty to do and see, not a dull, little, backwater country at all. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67312377 United States 10/02/2016 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seeing this people on TV/video/ even meeting them in pubs & bars etc identifying as "Irish-American" is really starting to piss me off. Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie I will never understand why someone who wasn't born in Ireland, has likely never even visited Ireland and only has a direct relation from that country, some bloody six or seven generations back BUT insists on identifying to an almost psychotic level with that country, WTF? When I have visited America and been into Irish bars, I have been in some sticky situations with over-identified Irish-Americans going apeshit, threatening violence for me being British (I am half Irish) and for pointing out their hypocrisies and total lack of understanding of what they want to believe is their culture. Walking into an "Irish-American" bar is like watching the blackest of black comedies with so-called "Irish" whiskey named "Black and Tan" (no doubt purchased and drunk completely unironically right?) I nearly shit myself when I saw it and the "Irish-American" dickheads drinking "Irish Car Bombs" thinking it's something that flies back in the old country. Someone seriously needs to make a comedy sketch about "Irish Americans" having drinks to drown their sorrows after the Boston bombing, and ordering "Irish car bombs" when they get to the bar. Next you will say all AFRICAN Americans come or came from Africa right??? |