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Just A Heroin Junkie
(OP) User ID: 72099278 United Kingdom 10/01/2016 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Tess. He's nothing to do with the Emerald Isle, his 'Irish' half is from Ulster, part of the UK. In that case, I guess he has no case to be so supremely butthurt in regards to Americans celebrating their Irish heritage. Just a guy with a pointless opinion. Pointless huh? You don't get to live in America, pay American taxes and vote in American elections and then absolve yourself from the responsibility of being American by claiming you're Irish because your great great grandparents were Irish. These so-called "Irish-Americans" need to put their money where their mouth is and move to Ireland if that's genuinely how they feel. If I don't like being British can I just claim I'm actually French? Is that how it works? Don't be fooled by my English accent, pale skin and having been born in England. I am actually French. Hon hon hon. Your argument is idiotic and invalid. You're bitching about how the descendants of Irish immigrants choose to celebrate their heritage. It has nothing to do with taxes or where they choose to live. They haven't chosen to arbitrarily "pick a race" and identify as such. Stop being so fucking pathetically stupid. I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse English, Saxon English, Pictish Scottish or Romano Welsh. Just seems a bit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic, or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". Last Edited by Just A Heroin Junkie on 10/01/2016 10:00 AM |
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User ID: 69061168 United States 10/01/2016 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Deplorable Michael Deschain In that case, I guess he has no case to be so supremely butthurt in regards to Americans celebrating their Irish heritage. Just a guy with a pointless opinion. Pointless huh? You don't get to live in America, pay American taxes and vote in American elections and then absolve yourself from the responsibility of being American by claiming you're Irish because your great great grandparents were Irish. These so-called "Irish-Americans" need to put their money where their mouth is and move to Ireland if that's genuinely how they feel. If I don't like being British can I just claim I'm actually French? Is that how it works? Don't be fooled by my English accent, pale skin and having been born in England. I am actually French. Hon hon hon. Your argument is idiotic and invalid. You're bitching about how the descendants of Irish immigrants choose to celebrate their heritage. It has nothing to do with taxes or where they choose to live. They haven't chosen to arbitrarily "pick a race" and identify as such. Stop being so fucking pathetically stupid. I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse Engish,Saxon English,Pictish Scott or Romano welsh. Just seems abit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". See, what you said there makes a lot more sense than the preceding post. I can at least get behind in theory, although it still isn't a reason for people who want to celebrate and acknowledge their heritage/ancestors to do so via their understanding of the customs and culture. If you feel they're doing it wrong, offer them some constructive input. I like traditional Irish music, so I'm learning Irish tenor banjo. That's how I "celebrate my heritage" if you will. Last Edited by Michael Deschain on 10/01/2016 10:05 AM :Cthulhu2016: :SCCSA: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HPL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72689058 United States 10/01/2016 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Deplorable Michael Deschain In that case, I guess he has no case to be so supremely butthurt in regards to Americans celebrating their Irish heritage. Just a guy with a pointless opinion. Pointless huh? You don't get to live in America, pay American taxes and vote in American elections and then absolve yourself from the responsibility of being American by claiming you're Irish because your great great grandparents were Irish. These so-called "Irish-Americans" need to put their money where their mouth is and move to Ireland if that's genuinely how they feel. If I don't like being British can I just claim I'm actually French? Is that how it works? Don't be fooled by my English accent, pale skin and having been born in England. I am actually French. Hon hon hon. Your argument is idiotic and invalid. You're bitching about how the descendants of Irish immigrants choose to celebrate their heritage. It has nothing to do with taxes or where they choose to live. They haven't chosen to arbitrarily "pick a race" and identify as such. Stop being so fucking pathetically stupid. I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse English, Saxon English, Pictish Scottish or Romano Welsh. Just seems a bit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic, or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". I'm from "real" Ireland, County Cork which is way in the south, on my father's side. Ancestors came over in 1890's. That makes my family one of the more recent wave. A lot came in the 1840's potato famine, but apparently we got thru that OK and just came for the money. I went to Ireland with my wife to see the place. For one thing it's inconvenient to get there. For another it was indeed quite foreign to me. My Irish last name meant nothing, because no American ever goes there unless they have Irish ancestry; I was simply an American tourist. And in Cork anyway, the youth tend to speak Gaelic. I guess it's had a revival. Which is great, but I don't understand a word of it. I wish Ireland well but I don't plan to return. They're indeed on a different path. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73095410 United States 10/01/2016 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's funny is Americans of Scotch Irish decent.. Decedents of Ulster-men tattooing symbols of the indigenous Irish on their bodies.. There are still old men around here sending money back to the UDA so the struggle can be continued.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73095410 I support peace.. As long as that peace includes the free stater of Ulster.. ROTFLMAO.. That's quite sad because when I visit the States no "Irish-Americans" there I meet really (outside a few nutcases) gave a shit about sectarian differences or Papist plots or Jewish cabals or whatever. The only hated the "Irish-Americans" I met had was for the exclusion of gay people from Paddy's day which is ironic really for an event that symbolizes the acceptance of a hated minority. You couldn't make it up. Of course.. Because Ulstermen are not Irish Americans.. They're not Irish at all.. I do believe the your story about Irish Americans.. If You want war with an Irishman~? Close The Pub.. |
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User ID: 72115403 United States 10/01/2016 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My parents are from Sicily, I don't go into Olive Garden's and bitch about them serving canned "Italian" food, where's the F'n canolli? “When you’re dead you’re dead, but you’re not quite so dead if you contribute something” -John Dunsworth |
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User ID: 72115403 United States 10/01/2016 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie Pointless huh? You don't get to live in America, pay American taxes and vote in American elections and then absolve yourself from the responsibility of being American by claiming you're Irish because your great great grandparents were Irish. These so-called "Irish-Americans" need to put their money where their mouth is and move to Ireland if that's genuinely how they feel. If I don't like being British can I just claim I'm actually French? Is that how it works? Don't be fooled by my English accent, pale skin and having been born in England. I am actually French. Hon hon hon. Your argument is idiotic and invalid. You're bitching about how the descendants of Irish immigrants choose to celebrate their heritage. It has nothing to do with taxes or where they choose to live. They haven't chosen to arbitrarily "pick a race" and identify as such. Stop being so fucking pathetically stupid. I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse Engish,Saxon English,Pictish Scott or Romano welsh. Just seems abit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". See, what you said there makes a lot more sense than the preceding post. I can at least get behind in theory, although it still isn't a reason for people who want to celebrate and acknowledge their heritage/ancestors to do so via their understanding of the customs and culture. If you feel they're doing it wrong, offer them some constructive input. I like traditional Irish music, so I'm learning Irish tenor banjo. That's how I "celebrate my heritage" if you will. I wanted some real Irish music, so I listened to Dropkick Murphys..lol “When you’re dead you’re dead, but you’re not quite so dead if you contribute something” -John Dunsworth |
private vs public User ID: 40756001 United States 10/01/2016 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | laddie its just something we do, It sounds like you have a semantics problem with hyphenated Americans. Its a big country, lots of tribes Polish - Americans Italian-Anericans Chinese-Americans Latino-Americans African-Americans and Native-Americans Let people celebrate their ancestry however they want. Boston tends to be on the more obnoxious end of the paddy spectrum. may I suggest Nashville or Savannah for Paddy's Day revelry in 2017, more laid back "fiddle celts" and avoid the big Catholic "chip on their shoulder" enclaves. Ulster Irish Americans temd to get the balance just right. Amd find a good English owned soccer pub for your local/televised footie. not worth the struggle with the kelly green merkins, move on |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73071444 Canada 10/01/2016 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm half Irish and I celebrate St. Patrick's day with some cornbeef and cabbage and soda bread. I acknowledge my Irishness one day a year. It otherwise means nothing to me. Quoting: The Deplorable GLP Effect Seriously I like your style but your fellow "Irish-Americans" well I just can't with their bullshit. Paddy's day bothers me on so many levels because it's not an Independence day celebration. It's a Saint's Day celebration that has been co-opted as Ireland's national day which just furthers your "Irish-American" wankers notion that to be Irish is to be Catholic. Hell no, you American's can fuck off with that idea. Pancake day here is not Shrove's Tuesday anymore, It's just a day when everybody gets over excited about pancakes, and upsets the French by putting lemon juice on them. Ohhhh, the problem is that he's Orange. He's not just half English, the other half is Scots-Irish Protestant. He isn't Irish at all. No I am not, I dont align fully with either side but I consider my self an Ulsterman. The point I am trying to make is that fervent Catholicism of "Irish Americans" and their version of Ireland. In their version of a St Patrick's Day parade, it is overseen by a Bishop which is totally wrong and doesn't happen here. That's what I'm more annoyed by, the leaders of Irish representation in the USA are blinkered and out of touch not only with the Irish republic and Northern Ireland, but also with the population demographic they purport to represent. So have you ever visited Canada and have you met any obnoxious people in Canadian bars? Here is a future travelling tip. Bars are not known for their intellectual discourse in North America nor are they known as good places to pick up a future spouse. |
Deplorable Michael Deschain
User ID: 69061168 United States 10/01/2016 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My parents are from Sicily, I don't go into Olive Garden's and bitch about them serving canned "Italian" food, where's the F'n canolli? Quoting: Dr. Rorschach Watchmen "Leave the gun, take the canolli." :Cthulhu2016: :SCCSA: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HPL |
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Deplorable Michael Deschain
User ID: 69061168 United States 10/01/2016 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Deplorable Michael Deschain Your argument is idiotic and invalid. You're bitching about how the descendants of Irish immigrants choose to celebrate their heritage. It has nothing to do with taxes or where they choose to live. They haven't chosen to arbitrarily "pick a race" and identify as such. Stop being so fucking pathetically stupid. I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse Engish,Saxon English,Pictish Scott or Romano welsh. Just seems abit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". See, what you said there makes a lot more sense than the preceding post. I can at least get behind in theory, although it still isn't a reason for people who want to celebrate and acknowledge their heritage/ancestors to do so via their understanding of the customs and culture. If you feel they're doing it wrong, offer them some constructive input. I like traditional Irish music, so I'm learning Irish tenor banjo. That's how I "celebrate my heritage" if you will. I wanted some real Irish music, so I listened to Dropkick Murphys..lol Hey, they incorporate a banjo, right? :Cthulhu2016: :SCCSA: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HPL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056195 United States 10/01/2016 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just for the record, there have always been gays representing in the NYC Saint Pat's parade. The problem was that they wanted to march under a banner of gayness, (probably a rainbow--which they STOLE from the Irish, just kidding, just kidding, not really). The point there is that the parade is not about what kind of sex one has, the Irish Americans are notorious for NOT speaking about personal matters like sex.....the parade is about painting 5th avenue green, drinking beer on the street, and having fun, and making EVERYONE Irish, becusae we said so. We just don't care if you are gay, or not, we don't want to hear about anyone's sexual proclivities. |
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User ID: 72115403 United States 10/01/2016 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse Engish,Saxon English,Pictish Scott or Romano welsh. Just seems abit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". See, what you said there makes a lot more sense than the preceding post. I can at least get behind in theory, although it still isn't a reason for people who want to celebrate and acknowledge their heritage/ancestors to do so via their understanding of the customs and culture. If you feel they're doing it wrong, offer them some constructive input. I like traditional Irish music, so I'm learning Irish tenor banjo. That's how I "celebrate my heritage" if you will. I wanted some real Irish music, so I listened to Dropkick Murphys..lol Hey, they incorporate a banjo, right? Actually yeah, I have seen them play with flogging molly once. Both were great. Did you start on guitar? I have a couple guitars, wanted to get into banjo now as well. “When you’re dead you’re dead, but you’re not quite so dead if you contribute something” -John Dunsworth |
Deplorable Michael Deschain
User ID: 69061168 United States 10/01/2016 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Deplorable Michael Deschain See, what you said there makes a lot more sense than the preceding post. I can at least get behind in theory, although it still isn't a reason for people who want to celebrate and acknowledge their heritage/ancestors to do so via their understanding of the customs and culture. If you feel they're doing it wrong, offer them some constructive input. I like traditional Irish music, so I'm learning Irish tenor banjo. That's how I "celebrate my heritage" if you will. I wanted some real Irish music, so I listened to Dropkick Murphys..lol Hey, they incorporate a banjo, right? Actually yeah, I have seen them play with flogging molly once. Both were great. Did you start on guitar? I have a couple guitars, wanted to get into banjo now as well. Yeah' I've been playing guitar since '97. I got into bluegrass banjo(5 string scruggs style) and irish tenor(4 string) within the past couple months or so. I prefer the 5 string, it "feels" like the most honest instrument I've ever played. Absolutely adore it. :Cthulhu2016: :SCCSA: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HPL |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73098014 United States 10/01/2016 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seeing this people on TV/video/ even meeting them in pubs & bars etc identifying as "Irish-American" is really starting to piss me off. Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie I will never understand why someone who wasn't born in Ireland, has likely never even visited Ireland and only has a direct relation from that country, some bloody six or seven generations back BUT insists on identifying to an almost psychotic level with that country, WTF? When I have visited America and been into Irish bars, I have been in some sticky situations with over-identified Irish-Americans going apeshit, threatening violence for me being British (I am half Irish) and for pointing out their hypocrisies and total lack of understanding of what they want to believe is their culture. Walking into an "Irish-American" bar is like watching the blackest of black comedies with so-called "Irish" whiskey named "Black and Tan" (no doubt purchased and drunk completely unironically right?) I nearly shit myself when I saw it and the "Irish-American" dickheads drinking "Irish Car Bombs" thinking it's something that flies back in the old country. Someone seriously needs to make a comedy sketch about "Irish Americans" having drinks to drown their sorrows after the Boston bombing, and ordering "Irish car bombs" when they get to the bar. I concur. Can you imagine these people calling people of Latino descent Hispanic. Wouldn't that make them hisirish, or hisgerman or even hisitalian. Maybe you don't realize just how ignorant and arrogant Americans can be. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62613079 Ireland 10/01/2016 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Just A Heroin Junkie Pointless huh? You don't get to live in America, pay American taxes and vote in American elections and then absolve yourself from the responsibility of being American by claiming you're Irish because your great great grandparents were Irish. These so-called "Irish-Americans" need to put their money where their mouth is and move to Ireland if that's genuinely how they feel. If I don't like being British can I just claim I'm actually French? Is that how it works? Don't be fooled by my English accent, pale skin and having been born in England. I am actually French. Hon hon hon. Your argument is idiotic and invalid. You're bitching about how the descendants of Irish immigrants choose to celebrate their heritage. It has nothing to do with taxes or where they choose to live. They haven't chosen to arbitrarily "pick a race" and identify as such. Stop being so fucking pathetically stupid. I am not being pathetically stupid. Irish means Irish people, people that live in Ireland. Irish-American means Americans with Irish heritage. There's a huge difference. Ireland didn't stop functioning and evolving culturally when Irish people left it for the Americas. It continued on and it continues on today. The Irish culture people left has almost nothing to do with Irish culture nowadays, they are completely divergent from each other. That's why Americans shouldn't call themselves Irish or "Irish-American". There's an Irish culture alive and well in Ireland and it's absolutely nothing like "Irish-American" culture. It's just the same as native Brits referring to themselves as Norse English, Saxon English, Pictish Scottish or Romano Welsh. Just seems a bit daft if you don't speak Latin or Proto-Celtic, or worship Apollo or Odin. I hail from a northern English Industrial city built on immigration, Manchester, every other kid in class had Scots, Welsh, Irish or Polish grandparents. But you never here the phrase "Irish Mancunian" or "Polish Mancunian". I'm from "real" Ireland, County Cork which is way in the south, on my father's side. Ancestors came over in 1890's. That makes my family one of the more recent wave. A lot came in the 1840's potato famine, but apparently we got thru that OK and just came for the money. I went to Ireland with my wife to see the place. For one thing it's inconvenient to get there. For another it was indeed quite foreign to me. My Irish last name meant nothing, because no American ever goes there unless they have Irish ancestry; I was simply an American tourist. And in Cork anyway, the youth tend to speak Gaelic. I guess it's had a revival. Which is great, but I don't understand a word of it. I wish Ireland well but I don't plan to return. They're indeed on a different path. WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT. 'They speak Gaelic in Cork' Seriously? The only place Gaelic's spoken nowadays is in Connemara, way off the beaten track. Cork's an up to date city, lovely restaurants, cosmopolitan atmosphere, great place - and they love Americans! |
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