Trump really knows how to use the knife

I did and GOD BLESS YOU OP for displaying such courage in face of such blatant obvious hostility here on GLP for trying to hold this Administration accountable for broken promise after broken promise. Amen!

Thread: Establishment Puppet Coup Successful, Trump Is Controlled Opposition

This message is for all Christians, regarding the difficult decisions we have to make in the coming days. This is also for those who are not Christians but are watching with interest what we Christians will do and how we will behave.

First off, what I hope we all understand is that no one is perfect. No one is always right. We are all flawed in different ways. Anyone who claims they are perfect or that they have no reason to apologize for anything, will likely stand out as exceedingly prideful and pretty ridiculous in almost everyone's mind – Christian or not.

Although we Christians are told by God over and over again to not be deceived, it seems that we are often targets for deceivers who unfortunately succeed in fooling us at times.

We Christians are told not to be prideful. Pride is a sin. Plus, if we are prideful AND deceived, it is likely that our pride will cause us to stubbornly maintain that the deceptions we were fooled into believing are in fact the truth, despite adequate evidence to the contrary.

If we do our best to not be prideful and not be deceived, then we will do well in our pursuit of truth and will be trusted and respected in the ways we want to be, as well as in the ways God wants us to be.

Two wise men told me that they hate being wrong, so please tell them when they are wrong, so they can correct themselves and stop being wrong. Makes sense to me. They humbly desired correction so they can be closer to the truth. I believe that this mindset is crucial for all who pursue truth and try to avoid being deceived.

However, many people who hate being wrong think it is better to lie to themselves and others when they've discovered they are wrong. They paint themselves into a corner – supporting this or that – and refuse to sully their image by admitting they were wrong for that support. They refuse to walk back out through the paint, often due to pride and vanity.

Because of pride and the feeling that admitting fault is a sign of weakness or stupidity, I am sure that some Christians will continue to stubbornly support Donald Trump, even after reading this. This is unfortunate though, as we Christians are told to abandon lies as soon as they are recognized.

Our entire faith requires that we recognize and admit that we are imperfect and have been deceived. We cannot enter into perfection – also known as Heaven or the Presence of God – without the intercession of Jesus' blood. We are called to drop our pride, confess our sins and imperfections and accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ's sacrificial intercession for our sins. Without this, we separate ourselves from the perfection that is God.

Christians know that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all sinners. So, we all require salvation through Christ in order to avoid eternal destruction after our physical deaths. We Christians take joy in the forgiveness, grace and peace we have in salvation through Jesus Christ. It does not make sense to me, then, that Christians would have be too prideful to admit they were imperfect and wrong again in their support for Donald Trump.

Beliefs of personal imperfection, pursuit of truth, destruction of deception, abandonment of pride and belief in the need for, and actuation of, salvation through Jesus Christ, are so central to Christianity, that I would argue all Christians are required to believe these things in order to call themselves Christian. A supposed Christian who claims to be without flaw or without sin – one who believes they have nothing to apologize for – is a Christian without Christ in their heart. They say they are Christian, but perhaps do not know what that really means.

Well, Donald Trump calls himself a Christian. However, here are some things he has said in relation to Christianity:

“The declaration came when, according to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul asked the crowd how many of them had read The Art of the Deal, his first book. Hundreds of hands were reportedly raised.

"It's my second favorite book of all time," said Trump. "Do you know what my first is? The Bible! Nothing beats the Bible," he added to applause.”

He was then asked what his favorite verse is and he responded: "I wouldn't want to get into it. Because to me, that's very personal," he said. "The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

Well... That's odd. Very odd. The vast majority of Christians can mention a favorite verse, and most are eager to.

The next concerning thing he said is this:

“People are so shocked when they find ... out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church," he said.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"
“

Perhaps Donald Trump truly does believe that he is a Christian, but the way he described his Christian faith and Christian practices is a sign that he is at very best confused.

At worst, he is just a deceiver. Perhaps he says he is a Christian just for the support of Christians. It is a smart move for a worldly man with great ambitions to make, to garner support from large voting blocs by acting like he is one of them, saying he shares their values, even though he doesn't. This kind of deception will often work, too. The reason for this, is that the vast majority of Christians have busy lives. They work hard, both at their jobs and in their families. They take on additional responsibilities as well, in order to help others. They often don't have the time to do enough research to produce well-informed viewpoints on world events or figures.

Often, people will do what they can to inform themselves, but they don't know that the channels they inform themselves through are tainted or watered down. People may read a couple of news articles from various “Christian” sources, without realizing that the supposed Christian source is just another worldly deceiver who has set their sights on pushing propaganda for their worldly agenda into Christian minds. Some people may think that listening to CNN, Fox News and local affiliates for a few hours a day – which seems like a lot – means they are truly informed. However, they fail to recognize the corruption and agendas of these various sources.

In a world which fell by and is currently ruled by the father of lies – the father of deception – the truth will be much harder to find than by just turning on the TV, radio or listening to any one source which has convinced you to trust it. This wicked world seeks to bury, hide, pervert and twist truth. We have to be careful to not be deceived by it.

Another sign that Donald Trump might be playing the same game as most politicians – acting like a Christian, while being quite the opposite - might be found in the following. This is a quote from Donald Trump once he had finally picked a verse to claim as his favorite and decided that it was no longer “too personal” to share, as he had claimed before:

In the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21:

“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.
“

Now, should we as Christians support and elect a man who lies to us for our support (especially one who isn't even good at lying – who doesn't respect us enough to even try to come up with a believable lie)?

Some people may say that there is a time to lie, if it is for the greater good. They may say that they don't much mind Trump's lies about being a Christian, because he is what the country needs. They think it's ok that he gains support from Christians by lying about being a Christian, because it's what all the other Politicians do anyway. I think this line of thought is ill-advised, however. We should not again accept a liar and con artist to become our President, as we have so many times before.

I believe that Christians should not set themselves up for disappointment and failure any further. They should not allow Trump to make them look like fools.

Trump has been a long time friend of the Clintons, has a long history of liberal ideals and has been caught betraying another group of people he pretended to represent – Constitutionalists – more specifically, Constitutionalist Birthers. He severely hobbled the Birther movement years ago by intentionally spreading false information about our beliefs and failing to deliver the most important information we gave to him – the stuff that could have accomplished the preservation of our nation and it's Constitution, as well as cause the removal of cuckoo, Obama, from his illegitimately obtained office in the White House. And now, of course, he has tried to sink the knife deeper into Birther's backs and perpetuate the lie of Obama's legitimacy by stating (without explanation) that “Obama was born in the United States. PERIOD”.

What Trump did, was play the role of a false protagonist - or “controlled opposition” - in order to defeat patriotic Americans and defend the treasonous actions of Obama and the Clintons. There is no doubt in my mind that he is doing the same thing again, but this time against all patriots.

The intention of the Obama/Clinton/Trump/Cruz/McCain/Romney/Rubio/Jindal Presidential eligibility schemes has always been the destruction of the Constitution. This will cause legal, social and economic chaos, from which the elites can remold our country and laws into whatever they want. This plan is easy to recognize, especially from the Birther schemes. Once it is finally admitted that 8+ years of rule under “President(s)” are legally illegitimate (thus null and void) because the “President(s)” that were seated were not legally allowed to ever be President, it will throw our country into confusion over law in general and it will cause the people to question whether the government should be given any deference ever again. We will ask, “Which laws signed into effect by the illegitimate President are legal?” The only logical/legal response to this will be “None, as an illegitimate President can not do anything legitimately as President.” No laws that any illegitimate President signed into effect, nor any appointments they have made, will be able to stand. They must be reversed, as they were illegitimate – the legal authority had no authority and was in fact illegal itself, thus the actions of this illegal non-authority are also illegal and without legal authority. Also, because law is actually the backbone of most of the economy (especially healthcare now), the reversal/annulment of many laws will cause an economic collapse.

If we do not abandon Trump soon and replace him with another candidate, it is likely that anti-American liberals will gain almost complete control over the country. I say this because if Trump got into this race as controlled opposition to hand the election to Hillary Clinton, then that is what will happen, even with all the conservative support Trump has. The plan is obvious and is being executed well, so why would we think Trump won't carry out the next part of the plan, which is to self-destruct in our arms, demoralize us and hand the election to Hillary?

Also, if we Christians don't dump Trump soon, fewer people will listen to Christians and patriots. Non-Christians will not respect us for our foolishness in believing that Trump was on our side.

As for Trump's policies, he is actually correct about many of them. Immigration laws need to be enforced. The lies of the government need to be exposed. We need to stop shipping our jobs to other countries and damaging our nation with liberal policies that aim only to harm Americans. Unfortunately though, when he self-destructs, those ideals and policies will be seen as having been as defeated as he was and as foolish as his supporters were.

Since we know Trump has a history of lying about his beliefs in order to gain support, why would we believe he is going to actually live up to the promises he is making now? Why would we think that a man who threw his original base, Birthers, under the bus, will not do the same thing to his less-informed conservative supporters? Why would we trust a liar to do anything?

Another thing to keep in mind is that these good Trump policies are not the only things he has proposed. Some of his other policies are outright anti-American, anti-Constitutional and pro-New World Order. If he doesn't self destruct for Hillary's sake and becomes the elected President, then he can (and likely will) claim that your support of him was a mandate to provide these detrimental changes, as much as it was a mandate to “build the wall”.

Also, do you really know what Trump has said? He almost never completes a sentence. An incomplete sentence delivers no actual message. Incomplete sentences are open-ended ideas, intended to be filled in by the imagination of the audience. He wants us to “read between the lines”, inserting our own dream policies and messages into these open-ended, confusing, muddled half-sentences that he constantly delivers. The result of Trump's deceptive, non-committal half-sentences, is a vast audience of people who think Trump said something that he never actually said at all.

You may want to infer, now that I am standing against Trump, that I support Hillary. Or maybe you think I am just stupid because I won't go along with everyone else and support Trump in order to defeat her. Is it selfish of me or others to point out that Trump is a fraud? Should we nod in agreement with his lies and support his anti-American policies just so there will continue to be a hope that SOME pro-American policies might come in to play? Should we hope that a prideful, known deceiver and backstabber will not deceive or backstab us again?

It's sad that we are starving so much for justice and any kind of national salvation that we would fight for the crumbs of justice and sensibility – crumbs which we already know are probably poisoned, due to the source. We are so desperate for any change from the evils our government has hoisted upon us for as long as any of us can remember, that we'll settle for an obvious pipe dream. We want to step back from the evils our government shoves down our throats so much, that we don't even care if the step is off of a cliff.

My advice to all of you, especially Christians, is to vote your conscience for a candidate you can trust. I recognize that none of the main 4 parties (Dem, Repub, Libertarian and Green) have such a candidate. You may be “wasting your vote”, but at least you will not have supported a fraud and ended up looking like a fool – thus diminishing your voice and credibility in the future.

Honestly, if Hillary becomes President (which was likely the plan all along, considering her friend, Trump's involvement), or if her Jesuitical VP becomes president, then we can reclaim whatever we want, as we will be within our legal rights to do so. A Clinton/Jesuit administration would be a sign that the government as lost all legal power and credibility and has no legal right to govern.

Actually, since the Constitution is the hierarchical supreme with regard to law and is the legal foundation of our country, it is already clear that the government has gone rogue and has relinquished it's legal status and authority. However, once Hillary becomes President (which is actually legally impossible, as she made herself ineligible by violating 18 USC, Section 2071), none of us should comply with any request or order from the federal government, as they are as much our government as China's government is our government. They are as much our government as McDonald's corporate board is. They are as much our government as any random mafia is. They have no actual legal power – no du jure authority. They only claim to have power over us - de facto power – stolen and abused power, forced down our throats while telling us “this is just the way it is now”. Unfortunately for them, our founders, our laws, our Constitution and the blood of our ancestors cry out in condemnation of their farcical claim to legal legitimacy. We are not to obey them, because if we do this, we only harm ourselves and throw away the sacrifices made by our forefathers.

Long story short, Christians...just because Hillary is our obvious enemy, does not make Trump our friend. Trump lies just as much as lying Hillary does. Neither of them can be any good for our country. Guard your money and your name. Do not be deceived by Trump or too prideful to admit you were wrong about him. He is no good for Christians or our country and has already shown over and over again that he cannot be trusted. Either pick a 3rd party candidate, push the Republicans to dump Trump, or sit this election out.

Honestly, it probably doesn't even matter if you vote anyway, as the votes will be counted through rigged machines, by a Soros company based in Spain, and overseen by one of the most corrupt administrations in American history. Hillary has already been exposed as having literally stolen the Dem nomination from Bernie, but nothing happened. Hillary has also been exposed as a mass murdering criminal who for years exposed our sensitive information to the world, but there has been no law enforcement action against her. Do we really want to delude ourselves into believing that this election will be fair and lawful, given all that we already know? Do we want to delude ourselves into thinking that scheming Hillary and her philandering husband, who have been buddy-buddy with Trump for decades, are not really working together?

To think that the outcome of these elections depends on our individual votes and that the winners are not already determined, is unrealistically optimistic. We might as well unglue ourselves from Trump. He won't win. If we Christians decide to stick with him, I think it is likely we will embarrass ourselves and sully the image of our religion.

Christians, you are ambassadors for Christ. Vote however you will, but keep in mind how your decisions will effect others. How will the world perceive you and your God?

All that said...
A vote for Trump, even given all of his lies, bad attitude and backstabbing, is still understandable. We feel we must hold on to the sliver of hope that we can avoid a Hillary presidency, the permanent destruction of the Supreme Court and all the other harms that will come from additional years of anti-American, anti-Christian rule. So, if we Christians do decide to continue supporting him, we should at least first demand that Trump admit that he is not actually one of us – he is either not a Christian or is simply confused about the faith, and in no way does not he represent us.

In closing, please remember that we are to strive for the truth. We should never trade truth for lies, no matter how sweet the lies may seem.

Where in the Bible does it say that a person has to ask God for forgiveness. Please give bible verse

This message is for all Christians, regarding the difficult decisions we have to make in the coming days. This is also for those who are not Christians but are watching with interest what we Christians will do and how we will behave.

First off, what I hope we all understand is that no one is perfect. No one is always right. We are all flawed in different ways. Anyone who claims they are perfect or that they have no reason to apologize for anything, will likely stand out as exceedingly prideful and pretty ridiculous in almost everyone's mind – Christian or not.

Although we Christians are told by God over and over again to not be deceived, it seems that we are often targets for deceivers who unfortunately succeed in fooling us at times.

We Christians are told not to be prideful. Pride is a sin. Plus, if we are prideful AND deceived, it is likely that our pride will cause us to stubbornly maintain that the deceptions we were fooled into believing are in fact the truth, despite adequate evidence to the contrary.

If we do our best to not be prideful and not be deceived, then we will do well in our pursuit of truth and will be trusted and respected in the ways we want to be, as well as in the ways God wants us to be.

Two wise men told me that they hate being wrong, so please tell them when they are wrong, so they can correct themselves and stop being wrong. Makes sense to me. They humbly desired correction so they can be closer to the truth. I believe that this mindset is crucial for all who pursue truth and try to avoid being deceived.

However, many people who hate being wrong think it is better to lie to themselves and others when they've discovered they are wrong. They paint themselves into a corner – supporting this or that – and refuse to sully their image by admitting they were wrong for that support. They refuse to walk back out through the paint, often due to pride and vanity.

Because of pride and the feeling that admitting fault is a sign of weakness or stupidity, I am sure that some Christians will continue to stubbornly support Donald Trump, even after reading this. This is unfortunate though, as we Christians are told to abandon lies as soon as they are recognized.

Our entire faith requires that we recognize and admit that we are imperfect and have been deceived. We cannot enter into perfection – also known as Heaven or the Presence of God – without the intercession of Jesus' blood. We are called to drop our pride, confess our sins and imperfections and accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ's sacrificial intercession for our sins. Without this, we separate ourselves from the perfection that is God.

Christians know that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all sinners. So, we all require salvation through Christ in order to avoid eternal destruction after our physical deaths. We Christians take joy in the forgiveness, grace and peace we have in salvation through Jesus Christ. It does not make sense to me, then, that Christians would have be too prideful to admit they were imperfect and wrong again in their support for Donald Trump.

Beliefs of personal imperfection, pursuit of truth, destruction of deception, abandonment of pride and belief in the need for, and actuation of, salvation through Jesus Christ, are so central to Christianity, that I would argue all Christians are required to believe these things in order to call themselves Christian. A supposed Christian who claims to be without flaw or without sin – one who believes they have nothing to apologize for – is a Christian without Christ in their heart. They say they are Christian, but perhaps do not know what that really means.

Well, Donald Trump calls himself a Christian. However, here are some things he has said in relation to Christianity:

“The declaration came when, according to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul asked the crowd how many of them had read The Art of the Deal, his first book. Hundreds of hands were reportedly raised.

"It's my second favorite book of all time," said Trump. "Do you know what my first is? The Bible! Nothing beats the Bible," he added to applause.”

He was then asked what his favorite verse is and he responded: "I wouldn't want to get into it. Because to me, that's very personal," he said. "The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

Well... That's odd. Very odd. The vast majority of Christians can mention a favorite verse, and most are eager to.

The next concerning thing he said is this:

“People are so shocked when they find ... out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church," he said.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"
“

Perhaps Donald Trump truly does believe that he is a Christian, but the way he described his Christian faith and Christian practices is a sign that he is at very best confused.

At worst, he is just a deceiver. Perhaps he says he is a Christian just for the support of Christians. It is a smart move for a worldly man with great ambitions to make, to garner support from large voting blocs by acting like he is one of them, saying he shares their values, even though he doesn't. This kind of deception will often work, too. The reason for this, is that the vast majority of Christians have busy lives. They work hard, both at their jobs and in their families. They take on additional responsibilities as well, in order to help others. They often don't have the time to do enough research to produce well-informed viewpoints on world events or figures.

Often, people will do what they can to inform themselves, but they don't know that the channels they inform themselves through are tainted or watered down. People may read a couple of news articles from various “Christian” sources, without realizing that the supposed Christian source is just another worldly deceiver who has set their sights on pushing propaganda for their worldly agenda into Christian minds. Some people may think that listening to CNN, Fox News and local affiliates for a few hours a day – which seems like a lot – means they are truly informed. However, they fail to recognize the corruption and agendas of these various sources.

In a world which fell by and is currently ruled by the father of lies – the father of deception – the truth will be much harder to find than by just turning on the TV, radio or listening to any one source which has convinced you to trust it. This wicked world seeks to bury, hide, pervert and twist truth. We have to be careful to not be deceived by it.

Another sign that Donald Trump might be playing the same game as most politicians – acting like a Christian, while being quite the opposite - might be found in the following. This is a quote from Donald Trump once he had finally picked a verse to claim as his favorite and decided that it was no longer “too personal” to share, as he had claimed before:

In the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21:

“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.
“

Now, should we as Christians support and elect a man who lies to us for our support (especially one who isn't even good at lying – who doesn't respect us enough to even try to come up with a believable lie)?

Some people may say that there is a time to lie, if it is for the greater good. They may say that they don't much mind Trump's lies about being a Christian, because he is what the country needs. They think it's ok that he gains support from Christians by lying about being a Christian, because it's what all the other Politicians do anyway. I think this line of thought is ill-advised, however. We should not again accept a liar and con artist to become our President, as we have so many times before.

I believe that Christians should not set themselves up for disappointment and failure any further. They should not allow Trump to make them look like fools.

Trump has been a long time friend of the Clintons, has a long history of liberal ideals and has been caught betraying another group of people he pretended to represent – Constitutionalists – more specifically, Constitutionalist Birthers. He severely hobbled the Birther movement years ago by intentionally spreading false information about our beliefs and failing to deliver the most important information we gave to him – the stuff that could have accomplished the preservation of our nation and it's Constitution, as well as cause the removal of cuckoo, Obama, from his illegitimately obtained office in the White House. And now, of course, he has tried to sink the knife deeper into Birther's backs and perpetuate the lie of Obama's legitimacy by stating (without explanation) that “Obama was born in the United States. PERIOD”.

What Trump did, was play the role of a false protagonist - or “controlled opposition” - in order to defeat patriotic Americans and defend the treasonous actions of Obama and the Clintons. There is no doubt in my mind that he is doing the same thing again, but this time against all patriots.

The intention of the Obama/Clinton/Trump/Cruz/McCain/Romney/Rubio/Jindal Presidential eligibility schemes has always been the destruction of the Constitution. This will cause legal, social and economic chaos, from which the elites can remold our country and laws into whatever they want. This plan is easy to recognize, especially from the Birther schemes. Once it is finally admitted that 8+ years of rule under “President(s)” are legally illegitimate (thus null and void) because the “President(s)” that were seated were not legally allowed to ever be President, it will throw our country into confusion over law in general and it will cause the people to question whether the government should be given any deference ever again. We will ask, “Which laws signed into effect by the illegitimate President are legal?” The only logical/legal response to this will be “None, as an illegitimate President can not do anything legitimately as President.” No laws that any illegitimate President signed into effect, nor any appointments they have made, will be able to stand. They must be reversed, as they were illegitimate – the legal authority had no authority and was in fact illegal itself, thus the actions of this illegal non-authority are also illegal and without legal authority. Also, because law is actually the backbone of most of the economy (especially healthcare now), the reversal/annulment of many laws will cause an economic collapse.

If we do not abandon Trump soon and replace him with another candidate, it is likely that anti-American liberals will gain almost complete control over the country. I say this because if Trump got into this race as controlled opposition to hand the election to Hillary Clinton, then that is what will happen, even with all the conservative support Trump has. The plan is obvious and is being executed well, so why would we think Trump won't carry out the next part of the plan, which is to self-destruct in our arms, demoralize us and hand the election to Hillary?

Also, if we Christians don't dump Trump soon, fewer people will listen to Christians and patriots. Non-Christians will not respect us for our foolishness in believing that Trump was on our side.

As for Trump's policies, he is actually correct about many of them. Immigration laws need to be enforced. The lies of the government need to be exposed. We need to stop shipping our jobs to other countries and damaging our nation with liberal policies that aim only to harm Americans. Unfortunately though, when he self-destructs, those ideals and policies will be seen as having been as defeated as he was and as foolish as his supporters were.

Since we know Trump has a history of lying about his beliefs in order to gain support, why would we believe he is going to actually live up to the promises he is making now? Why would we think that a man who threw his original base, Birthers, under the bus, will not do the same thing to his less-informed conservative supporters? Why would we trust a liar to do anything?

Another thing to keep in mind is that these good Trump policies are not the only things he has proposed. Some of his other policies are outright anti-American, anti-Constitutional and pro-New World Order. If he doesn't self destruct for Hillary's sake and becomes the elected President, then he can (and likely will) claim that your support of him was a mandate to provide these detrimental changes, as much as it was a mandate to “build the wall”.

Also, do you really know what Trump has said? He almost never completes a sentence. An incomplete sentence delivers no actual message. Incomplete sentences are open-ended ideas, intended to be filled in by the imagination of the audience. He wants us to “read between the lines”, inserting our own dream policies and messages into these open-ended, confusing, muddled half-sentences that he constantly delivers. The result of Trump's deceptive, non-committal half-sentences, is a vast audience of people who think Trump said something that he never actually said at all.

You may want to infer, now that I am standing against Trump, that I support Hillary. Or maybe you think I am just stupid because I won't go along with everyone else and support Trump in order to defeat her. Is it selfish of me or others to point out that Trump is a fraud? Should we nod in agreement with his lies and support his anti-American policies just so there will continue to be a hope that SOME pro-American policies might come in to play? Should we hope that a prideful, known deceiver and backstabber will not deceive or backstab us again?

It's sad that we are starving so much for justice and any kind of national salvation that we would fight for the crumbs of justice and sensibility – crumbs which we already know are probably poisoned, due to the source. We are so desperate for any change from the evils our government has hoisted upon us for as long as any of us can remember, that we'll settle for an obvious pipe dream. We want to step back from the evils our government shoves down our throats so much, that we don't even care if the step is off of a cliff.

My advice to all of you, especially Christians, is to vote your conscience for a candidate you can trust. I recognize that none of the main 4 parties (Dem, Repub, Libertarian and Green) have such a candidate. You may be “wasting your vote”, but at least you will not have supported a fraud and ended up looking like a fool – thus diminishing your voice and credibility in the future.

Honestly, if Hillary becomes President (which was likely the plan all along, considering her friend, Trump's involvement), or if her Jesuitical VP becomes president, then we can reclaim whatever we want, as we will be within our legal rights to do so. A Clinton/Jesuit administration would be a sign that the government as lost all legal power and credibility and has no legal right to govern.

Actually, since the Constitution is the hierarchical supreme with regard to law and is the legal foundation of our country, it is already clear that the government has gone rogue and has relinquished it's legal status and authority. However, once Hillary becomes President (which is actually legally impossible, as she made herself ineligible by violating 18 USC, Section 2071), none of us should comply with any request or order from the federal government, as they are as much our government as China's government is our government. They are as much our government as McDonald's corporate board is. They are as much our government as any random mafia is. They have no actual legal power – no du jure authority. They only claim to have power over us - de facto power – stolen and abused power, forced down our throats while telling us “this is just the way it is now”. Unfortunately for them, our founders, our laws, our Constitution and the blood of our ancestors cry out in condemnation of their farcical claim to legal legitimacy. We are not to obey them, because if we do this, we only harm ourselves and throw away the sacrifices made by our forefathers.

Long story short, Christians...just because Hillary is our obvious enemy, does not make Trump our friend. Trump lies just as much as lying Hillary does. Neither of them can be any good for our country. Guard your money and your name. Do not be deceived by Trump or too prideful to admit you were wrong about him. He is no good for Christians or our country and has already shown over and over again that he cannot be trusted. Either pick a 3rd party candidate, push the Republicans to dump Trump, or sit this election out.

Honestly, it probably doesn't even matter if you vote anyway, as the votes will be counted through rigged machines, by a Soros company based in Spain, and overseen by one of the most corrupt administrations in American history. Hillary has already been exposed as having literally stolen the Dem nomination from Bernie, but nothing happened. Hillary has also been exposed as a mass murdering criminal who for years exposed our sensitive information to the world, but there has been no law enforcement action against her. Do we really want to delude ourselves into believing that this election will be fair and lawful, given all that we already know? Do we want to delude ourselves into thinking that scheming Hillary and her philandering husband, who have been buddy-buddy with Trump for decades, are not really working together?

To think that the outcome of these elections depends on our individual votes and that the winners are not already determined, is unrealistically optimistic. We might as well unglue ourselves from Trump. He won't win. If we Christians decide to stick with him, I think it is likely we will embarrass ourselves and sully the image of our religion.

Christians, you are ambassadors for Christ. Vote however you will, but keep in mind how your decisions will effect others. How will the world perceive you and your God?

All that said...
A vote for Trump, even given all of his lies, bad attitude and backstabbing, is still understandable. We feel we must hold on to the sliver of hope that we can avoid a Hillary presidency, the permanent destruction of the Supreme Court and all the other harms that will come from additional years of anti-American, anti-Christian rule. So, if we Christians do decide to continue supporting him, we should at least first demand that Trump admit that he is not actually one of us – he is either not a Christian or is simply confused about the faith, and in no way does not he represent us.

In closing, please remember that we are to strive for the truth. We should never trade truth for lies, no matter how sweet the lies may seem.

I did and GOD BLESS YOU OP for displaying such courage in face of such blatant obvious hostility here on GLP for trying to hold this Administration accountable for broken promise after broken promise. Amen!

Thread: Establishment Puppet Coup Successful, Trump Is Controlled Opposition

Great book OP. The thing is though, Christians at least in my church have never regarded Trump a savior or even a reliable Christian. We’ve regarded him as the lessor of two evils and he has time after time proven himself to be the lessor of two evil. In my church we put no entire faith in an man because as you reinforced, all men are flawed. We know is what Trump is.

Typical 501 C Church horse shit, demanding perfection from Trump that NO conservative candidate could possibly possess.

People voted for Trump because he was a competent, Truther candidate, not because voters expected Trump to be Jesus Christ.

You phony fuck wad. If you claim to be a conservative and cannot make common cause with middle of the road white Christian Trump conservatives who needs you around?

This message is for all Christians, regarding the difficult decisions we have to make in the coming days. This is also for those who are not Christians but are watching with interest what we Christians will do and how we will behave.

First off, what I hope we all understand is that no one is perfect. No one is always right. We are all flawed in different ways. Anyone who claims they are perfect or that they have no reason to apologize for anything, will likely stand out as exceedingly prideful and pretty ridiculous in almost everyone's mind – Christian or not.

Although we Christians are told by God over and over again to not be deceived, it seems that we are often targets for deceivers who unfortunately succeed in fooling us at times.

We Christians are told not to be prideful. Pride is a sin. Plus, if we are prideful AND deceived, it is likely that our pride will cause us to stubbornly maintain that the deceptions we were fooled into believing are in fact the truth, despite adequate evidence to the contrary.

If we do our best to not be prideful and not be deceived, then we will do well in our pursuit of truth and will be trusted and respected in the ways we want to be, as well as in the ways God wants us to be.

Two wise men told me that they hate being wrong, so please tell them when they are wrong, so they can correct themselves and stop being wrong. Makes sense to me. They humbly desired correction so they can be closer to the truth. I believe that this mindset is crucial for all who pursue truth and try to avoid being deceived.

However, many people who hate being wrong think it is better to lie to themselves and others when they've discovered they are wrong. They paint themselves into a corner – supporting this or that – and refuse to sully their image by admitting they were wrong for that support. They refuse to walk back out through the paint, often due to pride and vanity.

Because of pride and the feeling that admitting fault is a sign of weakness or stupidity, I am sure that some Christians will continue to stubbornly support Donald Trump, even after reading this. This is unfortunate though, as we Christians are told to abandon lies as soon as they are recognized.

Our entire faith requires that we recognize and admit that we are imperfect and have been deceived. We cannot enter into perfection – also known as Heaven or the Presence of God – without the intercession of Jesus' blood. We are called to drop our pride, confess our sins and imperfections and accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ's sacrificial intercession for our sins. Without this, we separate ourselves from the perfection that is God.

Christians know that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all sinners. So, we all require salvation through Christ in order to avoid eternal destruction after our physical deaths. We Christians take joy in the forgiveness, grace and peace we have in salvation through Jesus Christ. It does not make sense to me, then, that Christians would have be too prideful to admit they were imperfect and wrong again in their support for Donald Trump.

Beliefs of personal imperfection, pursuit of truth, destruction of deception, abandonment of pride and belief in the need for, and actuation of, salvation through Jesus Christ, are so central to Christianity, that I would argue all Christians are required to believe these things in order to call themselves Christian. A supposed Christian who claims to be without flaw or without sin – one who believes they have nothing to apologize for – is a Christian without Christ in their heart. They say they are Christian, but perhaps do not know what that really means.

Well, Donald Trump calls himself a Christian. However, here are some things he has said in relation to Christianity:

“The declaration came when, according to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul asked the crowd how many of them had read The Art of the Deal, his first book. Hundreds of hands were reportedly raised.

"It's my second favorite book of all time," said Trump. "Do you know what my first is? The Bible! Nothing beats the Bible," he added to applause.”

He was then asked what his favorite verse is and he responded: "I wouldn't want to get into it. Because to me, that's very personal," he said. "The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

Well... That's odd. Very odd. The vast majority of Christians can mention a favorite verse, and most are eager to.

The next concerning thing he said is this:

“People are so shocked when they find ... out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church," he said.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"
“

Perhaps Donald Trump truly does believe that he is a Christian, but the way he described his Christian faith and Christian practices is a sign that he is at very best confused.

At worst, he is just a deceiver. Perhaps he says he is a Christian just for the support of Christians. It is a smart move for a worldly man with great ambitions to make, to garner support from large voting blocs by acting like he is one of them, saying he shares their values, even though he doesn't. This kind of deception will often work, too. The reason for this, is that the vast majority of Christians have busy lives. They work hard, both at their jobs and in their families. They take on additional responsibilities as well, in order to help others. They often don't have the time to do enough research to produce well-informed viewpoints on world events or figures.

Often, people will do what they can to inform themselves, but they don't know that the channels they inform themselves through are tainted or watered down. People may read a couple of news articles from various “Christian” sources, without realizing that the supposed Christian source is just another worldly deceiver who has set their sights on pushing propaganda for their worldly agenda into Christian minds. Some people may think that listening to CNN, Fox News and local affiliates for a few hours a day – which seems like a lot – means they are truly informed. However, they fail to recognize the corruption and agendas of these various sources.

In a world which fell by and is currently ruled by the father of lies – the father of deception – the truth will be much harder to find than by just turning on the TV, radio or listening to any one source which has convinced you to trust it. This wicked world seeks to bury, hide, pervert and twist truth. We have to be careful to not be deceived by it.

Another sign that Donald Trump might be playing the same game as most politicians – acting like a Christian, while being quite the opposite - might be found in the following. This is a quote from Donald Trump once he had finally picked a verse to claim as his favorite and decided that it was no longer “too personal” to share, as he had claimed before:

In the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21:

“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.
“

Now, should we as Christians support and elect a man who lies to us for our support (especially one who isn't even good at lying – who doesn't respect us enough to even try to come up with a believable lie)?

Some people may say that there is a time to lie, if it is for the greater good. They may say that they don't much mind Trump's lies about being a Christian, because he is what the country needs. They think it's ok that he gains support from Christians by lying about being a Christian, because it's what all the other Politicians do anyway. I think this line of thought is ill-advised, however. We should not again accept a liar and con artist to become our President, as we have so many times before.

I believe that Christians should not set themselves up for disappointment and failure any further. They should not allow Trump to make them look like fools.

Trump has been a long time friend of the Clintons, has a long history of liberal ideals and has been caught betraying another group of people he pretended to represent – Constitutionalists – more specifically, Constitutionalist Birthers. He severely hobbled the Birther movement years ago by intentionally spreading false information about our beliefs and failing to deliver the most important information we gave to him – the stuff that could have accomplished the preservation of our nation and it's Constitution, as well as cause the removal of cuckoo, Obama, from his illegitimately obtained office in the White House. And now, of course, he has tried to sink the knife deeper into Birther's backs and perpetuate the lie of Obama's legitimacy by stating (without explanation) that “Obama was born in the United States. PERIOD”.

What Trump did, was play the role of a false protagonist - or “controlled opposition” - in order to defeat patriotic Americans and defend the treasonous actions of Obama and the Clintons. There is no doubt in my mind that he is doing the same thing again, but this time against all patriots.

The intention of the Obama/Clinton/Trump/Cruz/McCain/Romney/Rubio/Jindal Presidential eligibility schemes has always been the destruction of the Constitution. This will cause legal, social and economic chaos, from which the elites can remold our country and laws into whatever they want. This plan is easy to recognize, especially from the Birther schemes. Once it is finally admitted that 8+ years of rule under “President(s)” are legally illegitimate (thus null and void) because the “President(s)” that were seated were not legally allowed to ever be President, it will throw our country into confusion over law in general and it will cause the people to question whether the government should be given any deference ever again. We will ask, “Which laws signed into effect by the illegitimate President are legal?” The only logical/legal response to this will be “None, as an illegitimate President can not do anything legitimately as President.” No laws that any illegitimate President signed into effect, nor any appointments they have made, will be able to stand. They must be reversed, as they were illegitimate – the legal authority had no authority and was in fact illegal itself, thus the actions of this illegal non-authority are also illegal and without legal authority. Also, because law is actually the backbone of most of the economy (especially healthcare now), the reversal/annulment of many laws will cause an economic collapse.

If we do not abandon Trump soon and replace him with another candidate, it is likely that anti-American liberals will gain almost complete control over the country. I say this because if Trump got into this race as controlled opposition to hand the election to Hillary Clinton, then that is what will happen, even with all the conservative support Trump has. The plan is obvious and is being executed well, so why would we think Trump won't carry out the next part of the plan, which is to self-destruct in our arms, demoralize us and hand the election to Hillary?

Also, if we Christians don't dump Trump soon, fewer people will listen to Christians and patriots. Non-Christians will not respect us for our foolishness in believing that Trump was on our side.

As for Trump's policies, he is actually correct about many of them. Immigration laws need to be enforced. The lies of the government need to be exposed. We need to stop shipping our jobs to other countries and damaging our nation with liberal policies that aim only to harm Americans. Unfortunately though, when he self-destructs, those ideals and policies will be seen as having been as defeated as he was and as foolish as his supporters were.

Since we know Trump has a history of lying about his beliefs in order to gain support, why would we believe he is going to actually live up to the promises he is making now? Why would we think that a man who threw his original base, Birthers, under the bus, will not do the same thing to his less-informed conservative supporters? Why would we trust a liar to do anything?

Another thing to keep in mind is that these good Trump policies are not the only things he has proposed. Some of his other policies are outright anti-American, anti-Constitutional and pro-New World Order. If he doesn't self destruct for Hillary's sake and becomes the elected President, then he can (and likely will) claim that your support of him was a mandate to provide these detrimental changes, as much as it was a mandate to “build the wall”.

Also, do you really know what Trump has said? He almost never completes a sentence. An incomplete sentence delivers no actual message. Incomplete sentences are open-ended ideas, intended to be filled in by the imagination of the audience. He wants us to “read between the lines”, inserting our own dream policies and messages into these open-ended, confusing, muddled half-sentences that he constantly delivers. The result of Trump's deceptive, non-committal half-sentences, is a vast audience of people who think Trump said something that he never actually said at all.

You may want to infer, now that I am standing against Trump, that I support Hillary. Or maybe you think I am just stupid because I won't go along with everyone else and support Trump in order to defeat her. Is it selfish of me or others to point out that Trump is a fraud? Should we nod in agreement with his lies and support his anti-American policies just so there will continue to be a hope that SOME pro-American policies might come in to play? Should we hope that a prideful, known deceiver and backstabber will not deceive or backstab us again?

It's sad that we are starving so much for justice and any kind of national salvation that we would fight for the crumbs of justice and sensibility – crumbs which we already know are probably poisoned, due to the source. We are so desperate for any change from the evils our government has hoisted upon us for as long as any of us can remember, that we'll settle for an obvious pipe dream. We want to step back from the evils our government shoves down our throats so much, that we don't even care if the step is off of a cliff.

My advice to all of you, especially Christians, is to vote your conscience for a candidate you can trust. I recognize that none of the main 4 parties (Dem, Repub, Libertarian and Green) have such a candidate. You may be “wasting your vote”, but at least you will not have supported a fraud and ended up looking like a fool – thus diminishing your voice and credibility in the future.

Honestly, if Hillary becomes President (which was likely the plan all along, considering her friend, Trump's involvement), or if her Jesuitical VP becomes president, then we can reclaim whatever we want, as we will be within our legal rights to do so. A Clinton/Jesuit administration would be a sign that the government as lost all legal power and credibility and has no legal right to govern.

Actually, since the Constitution is the hierarchical supreme with regard to law and is the legal foundation of our country, it is already clear that the government has gone rogue and has relinquished it's legal status and authority. However, once Hillary becomes President (which is actually legally impossible, as she made herself ineligible by violating 18 USC, Section 2071), none of us should comply with any request or order from the federal government, as they are as much our government as China's government is our government. They are as much our government as McDonald's corporate board is. They are as much our government as any random mafia is. They have no actual legal power – no du jure authority. They only claim to have power over us - de facto power – stolen and abused power, forced down our throats while telling us “this is just the way it is now”. Unfortunately for them, our founders, our laws, our Constitution and the blood of our ancestors cry out in condemnation of their farcical claim to legal legitimacy. We are not to obey them, because if we do this, we only harm ourselves and throw away the sacrifices made by our forefathers.

Long story short, Christians...just because Hillary is our obvious enemy, does not make Trump our friend. Trump lies just as much as lying Hillary does. Neither of them can be any good for our country. Guard your money and your name. Do not be deceived by Trump or too prideful to admit you were wrong about him. He is no good for Christians or our country and has already shown over and over again that he cannot be trusted. Either pick a 3rd party candidate, push the Republicans to dump Trump, or sit this election out.

Honestly, it probably doesn't even matter if you vote anyway, as the votes will be counted through rigged machines, by a Soros company based in Spain, and overseen by one of the most corrupt administrations in American history. Hillary has already been exposed as having literally stolen the Dem nomination from Bernie, but nothing happened. Hillary has also been exposed as a mass murdering criminal who for years exposed our sensitive information to the world, but there has been no law enforcement action against her. Do we really want to delude ourselves into believing that this election will be fair and lawful, given all that we already know? Do we want to delude ourselves into thinking that scheming Hillary and her philandering husband, who have been buddy-buddy with Trump for decades, are not really working together?

To think that the outcome of these elections depends on our individual votes and that the winners are not already determined, is unrealistically optimistic. We might as well unglue ourselves from Trump. He won't win. If we Christians decide to stick with him, I think it is likely we will embarrass ourselves and sully the image of our religion.

Christians, you are ambassadors for Christ. Vote however you will, but keep in mind how your decisions will effect others. How will the world perceive you and your God?

All that said...
A vote for Trump, even given all of his lies, bad attitude and backstabbing, is still understandable. We feel we must hold on to the sliver of hope that we can avoid a Hillary presidency, the permanent destruction of the Supreme Court and all the other harms that will come from additional years of anti-American, anti-Christian rule. So, if we Christians do decide to continue supporting him, we should at least first demand that Trump admit that he is not actually one of us – he is either not a Christian or is simply confused about the faith, and in no way does not he represent us.

In closing, please remember that we are to strive for the truth. We should never trade truth for lies, no matter how sweet the lies may seem.

This message is for all Christians, regarding the difficult decisions we have to make in the coming days. This is also for those who are not Christians but are watching with interest what we Christians will do and how we will behave.

First off, what I hope we all understand is that no one is perfect. No one is always right. We are all flawed in different ways. Anyone who claims they are perfect or that they have no reason to apologize for anything, will likely stand out as exceedingly prideful and pretty ridiculous in almost everyone's mind – Christian or not.

Although we Christians are told by God over and over again to not be deceived, it seems that we are often targets for deceivers who unfortunately succeed in fooling us at times.

We Christians are told not to be prideful. Pride is a sin. Plus, if we are prideful AND deceived, it is likely that our pride will cause us to stubbornly maintain that the deceptions we were fooled into believing are in fact the truth, despite adequate evidence to the contrary.

If we do our best to not be prideful and not be deceived, then we will do well in our pursuit of truth and will be trusted and respected in the ways we want to be, as well as in the ways God wants us to be.

Two wise men told me that they hate being wrong, so please tell them when they are wrong, so they can correct themselves and stop being wrong. Makes sense to me. They humbly desired correction so they can be closer to the truth. I believe that this mindset is crucial for all who pursue truth and try to avoid being deceived.

However, many people who hate being wrong think it is better to lie to themselves and others when they've discovered they are wrong. They paint themselves into a corner – supporting this or that – and refuse to sully their image by admitting they were wrong for that support. They refuse to walk back out through the paint, often due to pride and vanity.

Because of pride and the feeling that admitting fault is a sign of weakness or stupidity, I am sure that some Christians will continue to stubbornly support Donald Trump, even after reading this. This is unfortunate though, as we Christians are told to abandon lies as soon as they are recognized.

Our entire faith requires that we recognize and admit that we are imperfect and have been deceived. We cannot enter into perfection – also known as Heaven or the Presence of God – without the intercession of Jesus' blood. We are called to drop our pride, confess our sins and imperfections and accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ's sacrificial intercession for our sins. Without this, we separate ourselves from the perfection that is God.

Christians know that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all sinners. So, we all require salvation through Christ in order to avoid eternal destruction after our physical deaths. We Christians take joy in the forgiveness, grace and peace we have in salvation through Jesus Christ. It does not make sense to me, then, that Christians would have be too prideful to admit they were imperfect and wrong again in their support for Donald Trump.

Beliefs of personal imperfection, pursuit of truth, destruction of deception, abandonment of pride and belief in the need for, and actuation of, salvation through Jesus Christ, are so central to Christianity, that I would argue all Christians are required to believe these things in order to call themselves Christian. A supposed Christian who claims to be without flaw or without sin – one who believes they have nothing to apologize for – is a Christian without Christ in their heart. They say they are Christian, but perhaps do not know what that really means.

Well, Donald Trump calls himself a Christian. However, here are some things he has said in relation to Christianity:

“The declaration came when, according to The Washington Post, the real estate mogul asked the crowd how many of them had read The Art of the Deal, his first book. Hundreds of hands were reportedly raised.

"It's my second favorite book of all time," said Trump. "Do you know what my first is? The Bible! Nothing beats the Bible," he added to applause.”

He was then asked what his favorite verse is and he responded: "I wouldn't want to get into it. Because to me, that's very personal," he said. "The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics."

Well... That's odd. Very odd. The vast majority of Christians can mention a favorite verse, and most are eager to.

The next concerning thing he said is this:

“People are so shocked when they find ... out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church," he said.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"
“

Perhaps Donald Trump truly does believe that he is a Christian, but the way he described his Christian faith and Christian practices is a sign that he is at very best confused.

At worst, he is just a deceiver. Perhaps he says he is a Christian just for the support of Christians. It is a smart move for a worldly man with great ambitions to make, to garner support from large voting blocs by acting like he is one of them, saying he shares their values, even though he doesn't. This kind of deception will often work, too. The reason for this, is that the vast majority of Christians have busy lives. They work hard, both at their jobs and in their families. They take on additional responsibilities as well, in order to help others. They often don't have the time to do enough research to produce well-informed viewpoints on world events or figures.

Often, people will do what they can to inform themselves, but they don't know that the channels they inform themselves through are tainted or watered down. People may read a couple of news articles from various “Christian” sources, without realizing that the supposed Christian source is just another worldly deceiver who has set their sights on pushing propaganda for their worldly agenda into Christian minds. Some people may think that listening to CNN, Fox News and local affiliates for a few hours a day – which seems like a lot – means they are truly informed. However, they fail to recognize the corruption and agendas of these various sources.

In a world which fell by and is currently ruled by the father of lies – the father of deception – the truth will be much harder to find than by just turning on the TV, radio or listening to any one source which has convinced you to trust it. This wicked world seeks to bury, hide, pervert and twist truth. We have to be careful to not be deceived by it.

Another sign that Donald Trump might be playing the same game as most politicians – acting like a Christian, while being quite the opposite - might be found in the following. This is a quote from Donald Trump once he had finally picked a verse to claim as his favorite and decided that it was no longer “too personal” to share, as he had claimed before:

In the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21:

“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.
“

Now, should we as Christians support and elect a man who lies to us for our support (especially one who isn't even good at lying – who doesn't respect us enough to even try to come up with a believable lie)?

Some people may say that there is a time to lie, if it is for the greater good. They may say that they don't much mind Trump's lies about being a Christian, because he is what the country needs. They think it's ok that he gains support from Christians by lying about being a Christian, because it's what all the other Politicians do anyway. I think this line of thought is ill-advised, however. We should not again accept a liar and con artist to become our President, as we have so many times before.

I believe that Christians should not set themselves up for disappointment and failure any further. They should not allow Trump to make them look like fools.

Trump has been a long time friend of the Clintons, has a long history of liberal ideals and has been caught betraying another group of people he pretended to represent – Constitutionalists – more specifically, Constitutionalist Birthers. He severely hobbled the Birther movement years ago by intentionally spreading false information about our beliefs and failing to deliver the most important information we gave to him – the stuff that could have accomplished the preservation of our nation and it's Constitution, as well as cause the removal of cuckoo, Obama, from his illegitimately obtained office in the White House. And now, of course, he has tried to sink the knife deeper into Birther's backs and perpetuate the lie of Obama's legitimacy by stating (without explanation) that “Obama was born in the United States. PERIOD”.

What Trump did, was play the role of a false protagonist - or “controlled opposition” - in order to defeat patriotic Americans and defend the treasonous actions of Obama and the Clintons. There is no doubt in my mind that he is doing the same thing again, but this time against all patriots.

The intention of the Obama/Clinton/Trump/Cruz/McCain/Romney/Rubio/Jindal Presidential eligibility schemes has always been the destruction of the Constitution. This will cause legal, social and economic chaos, from which the elites can remold our country and laws into whatever they want. This plan is easy to recognize, especially from the Birther schemes. Once it is finally admitted that 8+ years of rule under “President(s)” are legally illegitimate (thus null and void) because the “President(s)” that were seated were not legally allowed to ever be President, it will throw our country into confusion over law in general and it will cause the people to question whether the government should be given any deference ever again. We will ask, “Which laws signed into effect by the illegitimate President are legal?” The only logical/legal response to this will be “None, as an illegitimate President can not do anything legitimately as President.” No laws that any illegitimate President signed into effect, nor any appointments they have made, will be able to stand. They must be reversed, as they were illegitimate – the legal authority had no authority and was in fact illegal itself, thus the actions of this illegal non-authority are also illegal and without legal authority. Also, because law is actually the backbone of most of the economy (especially healthcare now), the reversal/annulment of many laws will cause an economic collapse.

If we do not abandon Trump soon and replace him with another candidate, it is likely that anti-American liberals will gain almost complete control over the country. I say this because if Trump got into this race as controlled opposition to hand the election to Hillary Clinton, then that is what will happen, even with all the conservative support Trump has. The plan is obvious and is being executed well, so why would we think Trump won't carry out the next part of the plan, which is to self-destruct in our arms, demoralize us and hand the election to Hillary?

Also, if we Christians don't dump Trump soon, fewer people will listen to Christians and patriots. Non-Christians will not respect us for our foolishness in believing that Trump was on our side.

As for Trump's policies, he is actually correct about many of them. Immigration laws need to be enforced. The lies of the government need to be exposed. We need to stop shipping our jobs to other countries and damaging our nation with liberal policies that aim only to harm Americans. Unfortunately though, when he self-destructs, those ideals and policies will be seen as having been as defeated as he was and as foolish as his supporters were.

Since we know Trump has a history of lying about his beliefs in order to gain support, why would we believe he is going to actually live up to the promises he is making now? Why would we think that a man who threw his original base, Birthers, under the bus, will not do the same thing to his less-informed conservative supporters? Why would we trust a liar to do anything?

Another thing to keep in mind is that these good Trump policies are not the only things he has proposed. Some of his other policies are outright anti-American, anti-Constitutional and pro-New World Order. If he doesn't self destruct for Hillary's sake and becomes the elected President, then he can (and likely will) claim that your support of him was a mandate to provide these detrimental changes, as much as it was a mandate to “build the wall”.

Also, do you really know what Trump has said? He almost never completes a sentence. An incomplete sentence delivers no actual message. Incomplete sentences are open-ended ideas, intended to be filled in by the imagination of the audience. He wants us to “read between the lines”, inserting our own dream policies and messages into these open-ended, confusing, muddled half-sentences that he constantly delivers. The result of Trump's deceptive, non-committal half-sentences, is a vast audience of people who think Trump said something that he never actually said at all.

You may want to infer, now that I am standing against Trump, that I support Hillary. Or maybe you think I am just stupid because I won't go along with everyone else and support Trump in order to defeat her. Is it selfish of me or others to point out that Trump is a fraud? Should we nod in agreement with his lies and support his anti-American policies just so there will continue to be a hope that SOME pro-American policies might come in to play? Should we hope that a prideful, known deceiver and backstabber will not deceive or backstab us again?

It's sad that we are starving so much for justice and any kind of national salvation that we would fight for the crumbs of justice and sensibility – crumbs which we already know are probably poisoned, due to the source. We are so desperate for any change from the evils our government has hoisted upon us for as long as any of us can remember, that we'll settle for an obvious pipe dream. We want to step back from the evils our government shoves down our throats so much, that we don't even care if the step is off of a cliff.

My advice to all of you, especially Christians, is to vote your conscience for a candidate you can trust. I recognize that none of the main 4 parties (Dem, Repub, Libertarian and Green) have such a candidate. You may be “wasting your vote”, but at least you will not have supported a fraud and ended up looking like a fool – thus diminishing your voice and credibility in the future.

Honestly, if Hillary becomes President (which was likely the plan all along, considering her friend, Trump's involvement), or if her Jesuitical VP becomes president, then we can reclaim whatever we want, as we will be within our legal rights to do so. A Clinton/Jesuit administration would be a sign that the government as lost all legal power and credibility and has no legal right to govern.

Actually, since the Constitution is the hierarchical supreme with regard to law and is the legal foundation of our country, it is already clear that the government has gone rogue and has relinquished it's legal status and authority. However, once Hillary becomes President (which is actually legally impossible, as she made herself ineligible by violating 18 USC, Section 2071), none of us should comply with any request or order from the federal government, as they are as much our government as China's government is our government. They are as much our government as McDonald's corporate board is. They are as much our government as any random mafia is. They have no actual legal power – no du jure authority. They only claim to have power over us - de facto power – stolen and abused power, forced down our throats while telling us “this is just the way it is now”. Unfortunately for them, our founders, our laws, our Constitution and the blood of our ancestors cry out in condemnation of their farcical claim to legal legitimacy. We are not to obey them, because if we do this, we only harm ourselves and throw away the sacrifices made by our forefathers.

Long story short, Christians...just because Hillary is our obvious enemy, does not make Trump our friend. Trump lies just as much as lying Hillary does. Neither of them can be any good for our country. Guard your money and your name. Do not be deceived by Trump or too prideful to admit you were wrong about him. He is no good for Christians or our country and has already shown over and over again that he cannot be trusted. Either pick a 3rd party candidate, push the Republicans to dump Trump, or sit this election out.

Honestly, it probably doesn't even matter if you vote anyway, as the votes will be counted through rigged machines, by a Soros company based in Spain, and overseen by one of the most corrupt administrations in American history. Hillary has already been exposed as having literally stolen the Dem nomination from Bernie, but nothing happened. Hillary has also been exposed as a mass murdering criminal who for years exposed our sensitive information to the world, but there has been no law enforcement action against her. Do we really want to delude ourselves into believing that this election will be fair and lawful, given all that we already know? Do we want to delude ourselves into thinking that scheming Hillary and her philandering husband, who have been buddy-buddy with Trump for decades, are not really working together?

To think that the outcome of these elections depends on our individual votes and that the winners are not already determined, is unrealistically optimistic. We might as well unglue ourselves from Trump. He won't win. If we Christians decide to stick with him, I think it is likely we will embarrass ourselves and sully the image of our religion.

Christians, you are ambassadors for Christ. Vote however you will, but keep in mind how your decisions will effect others. How will the world perceive you and your God?

All that said...
A vote for Trump, even given all of his lies, bad attitude and backstabbing, is still understandable. We feel we must hold on to the sliver of hope that we can avoid a Hillary presidency, the permanent destruction of the Supreme Court and all the other harms that will come from additional years of anti-American, anti-Christian rule. So, if we Christians do decide to continue supporting him, we should at least first demand that Trump admit that he is not actually one of us – he is either not a Christian or is simply confused about the faith, and in no way does not he represent us.

In closing, please remember that we are to strive for the truth. We should never trade truth for lies, no matter how sweet the lies may seem.

You know, Geo. W. Bush (and his father) claimed he was a born again Christian, but reports either he or his father could point to a time when they had "an experience" of becoming "born again." Everyone who is saved at least, having a cognizant mind, remembers a time when they invited Jesus Christ into their heart, a time of turning away from sin, on purpose.

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Is it truth hat Trump can do a flip and fart 3 times in the air too? No wonder they all admire him.

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