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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68935741 France 10/01/2016 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever been in the mood for a religious cleansing? Or a racial genocide? Y'know, just to clean up Earth so that it better suits your needs. So that people that think like you or worship the same gods as you can FINALLY live in peace, right? Quoting: Bonfire Well, it just so happens that whatever word you use to disguise murder, it is still murder. And it's wrong. Have you ever wondered why murder is wrong? If you haven't, you probably should... Go get Murdered then since you love it so much. |
Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it was not For "Killing" every last one of you fools would be slaves Quoting: FOY Murder vs Killing Big difference Biblically speaking murder is sneaking up on your fellow human and taking their life. Self defense is legal in God's eyes. Blood guilt...look it up OP. Quoting: Chip I looked up blood guilt and I've heard the perspective of murder vs killing. In both cases, somebody life is cut short. It doesn't seem fair. Plus, the conditions surrounding self-defense are determined by the murderer. How are we to trust their testimony? Killing is wrong in any form. Compromising on this is something I'm unwilling to do. I'm not sure why you all are so willing to do so. Perhaps you could explain yourselves further. "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What? No. I'm not sure how you got that I love murder from my OP. I'm not sure why you want me to get murdered for not supporting murder. Could you go into that? "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
FOY
User ID: 72018032 United States 10/01/2016 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it was not For "Killing" every last one of you fools would be slaves Quoting: FOY Murder vs Killing Big difference Biblically speaking murder is sneaking up on your fellow human and taking their life. Self defense is legal in God's eyes. Blood guilt...look it up OP. Quoting: Chip I looked up blood guilt and I've heard the perspective of murder vs killing. In both cases, somebody life is cut short. It doesn't seem fair. Plus, the conditions surrounding self-defense are determined by the murderer. How are we to trust their testimony? Killing is wrong in any form. Compromising on this is something I'm unwilling to do. I'm not sure why you all are so willing to do so. Perhaps you could explain yourselves further. I would be glad To Explain my Point further . First let me say that we are all going to die at some point regardless of whether anyone kills us or not . Now on this planet is Humans Can Honor Life and G-d Rules Which The Rule Says Don't Murder ok ? . But you see Sometimes Humans do Break these laws .. Should the Breaker not be punished ? Tell me Should we allow a serial killer to murder at his whim or should that serial killer be killed by us as a group to protect from the greater evil ? Use wise judgement Kisses |
Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now on this planet is Humans Can Honor Life and G-d Rules Which The Rule Says Don't Murder ok ? . Quoting: FOY But you see Sometimes Humans do Break these laws .. Should the Breaker not be punished ? Tell me Should we allow a serial killer to murder at his whim or should that serial killer be killed by us as a group to protect from the greater evil ? Use wise judgement I understand that we're all going to die someday. Anyone that murders and cuts another's life short ought to receive the equal and opposite reaction for their decision. If it is proven that they have murdered, shouldn't it be up to those affected by the murder to mete out punishment? Then it would be on the heads of those affected to either propagate murder by taking the life of the assailant or not. It is still wrong to kill, even in the case of the serial killing murderer. Don't Christians belive that God sent Jesus Christ to suffer and die so that every person will ALWAYS have the opportunity to have a change of heart? Do those affected by murder and killing have a right to exact revenge or mete out punishment? Would this same logic justify the actions of Muslims in the Middle East? "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12848468 United States 10/01/2016 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [...] Quoting: BRIEF Technically the crusades were in defense from being attacked by Muslims. So the Christians have every right to kill Muslims because their cult calls for the death of any non-muslim. Technically the Muslims see Christianity as a perversion of God's word and a deviation from God's law. They can justify their murders just as much as you can. His argument was Christians were killing in self defense. You put forth the idea that Muslims can justify killing because of perverting God's word. Psychos can justify anything, but who in their right mind doesn't understand self defense? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57036764 United States 10/01/2016 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it wrong to murder animals and plants to whom you gave life? Is it possible to live on the fruits of plants alone as to not murder them? How can Humans; who need a complex variety of meats, fruits, vegetables, oils, and other foods; justify their existence which seems to require murder? Life feeds on life. It is the rule of this reality. Why do you think we age? Because we are all murders. It is the price of this existence. |
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Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When does the cycle of murder stop? It takes someone unwilling to compromise their commitment to non-violence. Quoting: Bonfire I grew up Mormon and there is a lesson in the Book of Mormon about a commitment to Non-violence in the book of Alma, chapter 24. [link to www.lds.org (secure)] 21 Now when the people saw that they were coming against them they went out to meet them, and prostrated themselves before them to the earth, and began to call on the name of the Lord; and thus they were in this attitude when the Lamanites began to fall upon them, and began to slay them with the sword. Quoting: Book of Mormon, Alma, Chapter 2422 And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a thousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God. 23 Now when the Lamanites saw that their brethren would not flee from the sword, neither would they turn aside to the right hand or to the left, but that they would lie down and perish, and praised God even in the very act of perishing under the sword— 24 Now when the Lamanites saw this they did forbear from slaying them; and there were many whose hearts had swollen in them for those of their brethren who had fallen under the sword, for they repented of the things which they had done. 25 And it came to pass that they threw down their weapons of war, and they would not take them again, for they were stung for the murders which they had committed; and they came down even as their brethren, relying upon the mercies of those whose arms were lifted to slay them. How great is your commitment to God? Are you willing to die for a covenant of non-violence with God? How am I justified to kill someone that is willing to kill me? Am I now not just as bad as the assailant for killing him before he could me? How am I somehow guilt-free for doing to him what he would have done to me? "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
FOY
User ID: 72018032 United States 10/01/2016 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now on this planet is Humans Can Honor Life and G-d Rules Which The Rule Says Don't Murder ok ? . Quoting: FOY But you see Sometimes Humans do Break these laws .. Should the Breaker not be punished ? Tell me Should we allow a serial killer to murder at his whim or should that serial killer be killed by us as a group to protect from the greater evil ? Use wise judgement I understand that we're all going to die someday. Anyone that murders and cuts another's life short ought to receive the equal and opposite reaction for their decision. If it is proven that they have murdered, shouldn't it be up to those affected by the murder to mete out punishment? Then it would be on the heads of those affected to either propagate murder by taking the life of the assailant or not. It is still wrong to kill, even in the case of the serial killing murderer. Don't Christians belive that God sent Jesus Christ to suffer and die so that every person will ALWAYS have the opportunity to have a change of heart? Do those affected by murder and killing have a right to exact revenge or mete out punishment? Would this same logic justify the actions of Muslims in the Middle East? Well what if he or she does not have that change of heart .. And what if this individual killed a family member of yours what if even your Kid ? And raped them before hand .. This is Terrible but it Does Happen . Kisses |
FOY
User ID: 72018032 United States 10/01/2016 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When does the cycle of murder stop? It takes someone unwilling to compromise their commitment to non-violence. Quoting: Bonfire I grew up Mormon and there is a lesson in the Book of Mormon about a commitment to Non-violence in the book of Alma, chapter 24. [link to www.lds.org (secure)] 21 Now when the people saw that they were coming against them they went out to meet them, and prostrated themselves before them to the earth, and began to call on the name of the Lord; and thus they were in this attitude when the Lamanites began to fall upon them, and began to slay them with the sword. Quoting: Book of Mormon, Alma, Chapter 2422 And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a thousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God. 23 Now when the Lamanites saw that their brethren would not flee from the sword, neither would they turn aside to the right hand or to the left, but that they would lie down and perish, and praised God even in the very act of perishing under the sword— 24 Now when the Lamanites saw this they did forbear from slaying them; and there were many whose hearts had swollen in them for those of their brethren who had fallen under the sword, for they repented of the things which they had done. 25 And it came to pass that they threw down their weapons of war, and they would not take them again, for they were stung for the murders which they had committed; and they came down even as their brethren, relying upon the mercies of those whose arms were lifted to slay them. How great is your commitment to God? Are you willing to die for a covenant of non-violence with God? How am I justified to kill someone that is willing to kill me? Am I now not just as bad as the assailant for killing him before he could me? How am I somehow guilt-free for doing to him what he would have done to me? So your just gonna let them kill you ? Kisses |
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FOY
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Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because when it's not wrong it isn't called murder, it's called justice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71050049 How do you know? The history is written by the victor. Self-defense can be claimed through lies, and it can appear that justice is served. It seems logical that killing is never right. "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57036764 United States 10/01/2016 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because when it's not wrong it isn't called murder, it's called justice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71050049 BS. It is always murder. The situation or your mental state does not make it any better or worse. Your intentions are the same. You are intending on ending an entities ability to exist in this reality. Even if it is your life vs someone else. It is always your choice. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57036764 United States 10/01/2016 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because when it's not wrong it isn't called murder, it's called justice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71050049 How do you know? The history is written by the victor. Self-defense can be claimed through lies, and it can appear that justice is served. It seems logical that killing is never right. ^This^ Bravo OP. You understand. Very few people will allow themselves this understanding. |
Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now on this planet is Humans Can Honor Life and G-d Rules Which The Rule Says Don't Murder ok ? . Quoting: FOY But you see Sometimes Humans do Break these laws .. Should the Breaker not be punished ? Tell me Should we allow a serial killer to murder at his whim or should that serial killer be killed by us as a group to protect from the greater evil ? Use wise judgement I understand that we're all going to die someday. Anyone that murders and cuts another's life short ought to receive the equal and opposite reaction for their decision. If it is proven that they have murdered, shouldn't it be up to those affected by the murder to mete out punishment? Then it would be on the heads of those affected to either propagate murder by taking the life of the assailant or not. It is still wrong to kill, even in the case of the serial killing murderer. Don't Christians belive that God sent Jesus Christ to suffer and die so that every person will ALWAYS have the opportunity to have a change of heart? Do those affected by murder and killing have a right to exact revenge or mete out punishment? Would this same logic justify the actions of Muslims in the Middle East? Well what if he or she does not have that change of heart .. And what if this individual killed a family member of yours what if even your Kid ? And raped them before hand .. This is Terrible but it Does Happen . How many times do we forgive? 70 x 7? How many people did Job kill when all he loved and had was taken from him in "a great wind?" Can you exact justice on the wind? Once it starts, when will the cycle of murder stop? How much courage do you think it takes to die for peace than to live for justice? More or less? I'd love nothing more than for everyone to Follow G-d Rules . And that no one Would be killed . Quoting: FOY But it's just not the case I would love nothing more than for our Creator, if present, to show himself (or send a representative or prophet) and put an end to the religious schisms that have caused so much bloodshed over the last millennia. I would love to know what rules are God's rules, without question. Last Edited by Bonfire on 10/01/2016 04:42 PM "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72851168 Sweden 10/01/2016 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter what they think. It's what they do that matters, and they follow their book to the letter. Therefore, because they follow their book, and their book says to kill everyone unlike them, they themselves should be eliminated. Quoting: BRIEF Where does the Quran say to "kill everyone unlike them?" Have you read the Quran, BRIEF? Or perhaps have you sat down and spoken with any Muslims to gain a better perspective of who they are and what they believe? Or are you talking out your ass, so willing to preemptively kill others to protect yourself without ever having dared to understand your perceived enemies? Are you that scared? Muslims deserve death because they practice a cult that calls for the killing of anyone they disagree with, therefore by forcing their belief on others they are surrendering their God given right to free will, so logically any Muslim can be killed morally. Quoting: BRIEF Excellent, when can the Purge begin.... : nuke3 : Where does it say that Muslims call for the killing of anyone that disagrees with them? Killing is never moral. If you are willing to kill them, following your logic doesn't that give others the right to morally kill you? Perhaps you have read the Quran? Or maybe you have met with and spoken to a Muslim about their beliefs? Do you even know Islam's stance on treaty or compromise? Or are you just ignorant and scared? The real question is: Do you wish to remain that way? The Quran says that infidels shall be killed in Jihad. Look it up for yourself. Muslims also think any Muslim that leaves Islam should be killed. A survey found that 84 % of Egyptian Muslims held that view, just to make a random example. Educate yourself. |
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Solitary Man
User ID: 71345460 United States 10/01/2016 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever been in the mood for a religious cleansing? Or a racial genocide? Y'know, just to clean up Earth so that it better suits your needs. So that people that think like you or worship the same gods as you can FINALLY live in peace, right? Quoting: Bonfire Well, it just so happens that whatever word you use to disguise murder, it is still murder. And it's wrong. Have you ever wondered why murder is wrong? If you haven't, you probably should... Because they won't go home. They just stay here,harassing us, killing us, robbing us, nagging us, BOTHERING us, distorting our constitution, insisting that we support them, while they disrespect us to our face. If they would just go home, it wouldn't be necessary. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57036764 United States 10/01/2016 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because they won't go home. They just stay here,harassing us, killing us, robbing us, nagging us, BOTHERING us, distorting our constitution, insisting that we support them, while they disrespect us to our face. If they would just go home, it wouldn't be necessary. Quoting: Solitary Man But they could be FORCED to go home. We could ship them outside of our boarders and not allow them back in. It wouldn't be murder and it would probably be just as satisfying. They would have had a taste of the good life, then through their own actions, ruined their chances at paradise. Their tears would be delicious. |
Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Quran says that infidels shall be killed in Jihad. Look it up for yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72851168 Muslims also think any Muslim that leaves Islam should be killed. A survey found that 84 % of Egyptian Muslims held that view, just to make a random example. Educate yourself. Where in the Quran does it say that? I have a Quran that I ordered off of Amazon. The only verses that could be related to that are as follows: 190. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. Quoting: Quran 2 190-193 (Pickthall translation): [link to quran.com (secure)] 191. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there), then slay them. such is the reward for disbelievers. 192. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 193. And right them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. These verses sound like self-defense to me, which many in this thread have supported and upheld as just and moral, especially in God's eyes. So perhaps the biggest problem with the Middle East is our willingness to initiate hostility. Perhaps it's the inherent inability of the dead to cry for justice. In either case, it seems killing is wrong to both initiate and react to. "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
FOY
User ID: 62880206 United States 10/01/2016 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Quran says that infidels shall be killed in Jihad. Look it up for yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72851168 Muslims also think any Muslim that leaves Islam should be killed. A survey found that 84 % of Egyptian Muslims held that view, just to make a random example. Educate yourself. Where in the Quran does it say that? I have a Quran that I ordered off of Amazon. The only verses that could be related to that are as follows: 190. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. Quoting: Quran 2 190-193 (Pickthall translation): [link to quran.com (secure)] 191. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there), then slay them. such is the reward for disbelievers. 192. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 193. And right them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. These verses sound like self-defense to me, which many in this thread have supported and upheld as just and moral, especially in God's eyes. So perhaps the biggest problem with the Middle East is our willingness to initiate hostility. Perhaps it's the inherent inability of the dead to cry for justice. In either case, it seems killing is wrong to both initiate and react to. No it's Wrong to initiate . Now no ones reacting to nothing . Kisses |
Bonfire
(OP) User ID: 73066639 United States 10/01/2016 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because they won't go home. They just stay here,harassing us, killing us, robbing us, nagging us, BOTHERING us, distorting our constitution, insisting that we support them, while they disrespect us to our face. If they would just go home, it wouldn't be necessary. Quoting: Solitary Man Who needs to go home? Who is harassing, killing, robbing, nagging, and bothering you enough to warrant their murder? How often are you harassed? You don't appear to have been killed. Are you robbed often? By who? Are you nagged and bothered often? Is nagging and bothering worth murdering? Who needs to go home? What is home? Isn't home where the heart is? Is your heart open to welcoming others to make this whole world a home? "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Sunny Daze
User ID: 59490123 United States 10/01/2016 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MURDER FOR GAIN is "GOD'S" agenda, and he has been promoting it since Cain murdered Able to gain god's approval god encourages killing our fellow man because he can not do it himself - because he is not a physical being - so he needs you to do it for him (in his name) He introduced genocide - another form of Hatred for no Reason, when he commanded the children of Moses to kill, not just men who resisted them, but women, children, and their pet - to live in homes they did not build, to eat food that they did not raise, and to inhabit lands that they were not born in that's his agenda - kill all who oppose him, without mercy - so that you might gain a great reward ... after you die it is so obvious, why do you continue to IGNORE what you are participating in ... is MURDER FOR GAIN |
Sunny Daze
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57036764 United States 10/01/2016 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Murder is "wrong" because the law of the Universe says : "do unto others as you would have them do unto you " - plain and simple Quoting: Sunny Daze Very nice. I wonder how long it will take for the world to come to this realization, that murder will always be the wrong path? Will religion need to be nullified first or can it be changed in accordance? How long are we away from this utopia? |
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