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Offer Upgrade  User ID: 72954797  United States09/11/2016 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freemasonry. A debate has been raging for centuries on whether or not Freemasons worship and serve Lucifer. In this chapter, we will attempt to settle this argument once and for all using Freemasonry's very own Symbols and Rituals. Our reference will be "THE BOOK OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED SCOTTISH RITE OF FREEMASONRY" by Charles T. McClenachan (33Degree), Published 1885. Free versions may be found on the web. The particular copy we are using was entered into the Library of Congress on June 11, 1885. The high resolution pages, chock full of Symbols and information, may be easily copied onto One's computer if desired. PAGE 23 Fittingly, we begin with Page "23", a number we will get to shortly. We are greeted with this Symbol...  A nine-sided star formed by three interlaced triangles called a Nonagon, with a Gold Sun at the center, surrounded by an Ouroboros. Enochian Symbols representing the initials of the Nine Sacred Words fill in each corner. At the bottom of the page we see the 'Yod Hey Vav Hey' or Tetragrammaton. Christians pronounce this word as LORD. Thus we can assume for the moment that this Symbol represents the LORD or God of Freemasonry. We will now begin to decipher this Symbol beginning with the serpent. This is an easy one as most folks know who the Serpent is... Ezekiel 28:13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created" Yes, we are talking about Lucifer here. Could this Serpent simply be a distraction? Perhaps put there to scare Initiates? Let's keep going... We see that there are exactly nine points to the Nonagon. Is there a correlation to Lucifer? Yes! As we can see in Ezekiel 28:13, Lucifer was covered with Ten Precious Stones. Oops, that's one too many! Or is it? Note that nine of those Stones are Gemstones however... one is a Metal... Gold. If we were to arrange the nine Gemstones on each point of the Nonagon, we discover that Gold has been "occulted" yet hidden in plain sight. Do you see it? The GOLDEN Sun at the center is the tenth Stone! I.e. Gold. The Golden Child. Jesus of course is likened to the Sun, however in this particular context we see it's the One who wishes to be "like the Most High"… Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" Plausible deniability is definitely built into this Symbol. One could say it's Jesus and many would be fooled, however the Wise would know that Jesus would have twelve Gemstones and not nine or ten. So for now it would appear that our research matches up pretty well. We even have a 'Lost Word of Freemasonry' in the form of those Enochian characters. Ten Lost Tribes? PAGE 32 Yeah, 32 degrees... we get it. Secret Master or Fourth Degree of the Scottish Rite is where we are again introduced to the Nonagon, except this time it's a bit different...  In reading about this degree we find that the Nonagon is hanging in the EAST in a mock up of King Solomon's Temple. Unfortunately, this is NOT how King Solomon's Temple looked like much less how the Furniture was arranged. It is blasphemy. On Page 34, the Nonagon Sun is referred to as the "Blazing Star" (Sirius/Venus/ISIS) and is shown as a Yod. More clues. Note that the Pillar of Beauty is 'veiled' in this degree. Who is the Pillar of Beauty? Ezekiel 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty" Adding another clue is the descriptions of the Officers "Seated as in Perfection". Indeed. Let's not forget that that the East is where the Sun and Venus rise... Ezekiel 8:16 "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east" Moving on... PAGE 223 23? We'll get there. We are at the Seventeenth Degree of the Scottish Rite called "Knights of the East and West". And what do we see?  An Authoritative Figure holding Seven Stars surrounded by Seven Candlesticks? Who is that?!!?? Revelation 1:16-18 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength" "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last" "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" Yes, it is JESUS! What is He doing there? As we read the following pages we find many verses from the Book of Revelation and praises to 'Our Father'. Could our assumptions be incorrect? Could Freemasons really be worshipping and serving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? Not so fast! Something isn't right here. As we go through the Book, we find the Rebis, the Kabbalah so called "Tree of Life" and drawings by Elphas Levi (creator of Baphomet) are promoted as worthy study material.  We begin to realize that Freemasonry is a mixture of many beliefs merged into One. The Bible calls it Mystery Babylon. Remember the Three Triangles of the Nonagon? Those represent the Three Trinities of Major World Religions joined into a Singularity. One Triangle is Black. One is White. One is Gray. PAGE 471 At the higher degrees we find that our Nonagon has transitioned into an Encampment...  The Heptagon of Jesus has been swapped out in favor of Five Magickal Elements. Earth/Air/Water/Fire/Aether Sure, it looks Biblical with the Lion, Ox, Heart of Man and Eagle (commonly known as Matthew, Mark Luke and John). However, there is a Fifth Gospel or Fifth Element that has been added... The Ark of the Covenant/Aether. Another Gospel eh? 2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him" So who is the Magickal Fifth Element covering the Ark? Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire" Lucifer! Remember those Precious Stones? Those are Tribes or Camps. See them going around? Those are the 'Coverings' of the Symbol. Get it? They are even colored the same as Lucifer's Gemstones! The Lost Tribes and the Lost Word of Freemasonry. Wow. If One looks at the center of the Capstone, One will find the Roman Numeral "X" or Ten. What was the Tenth Stone? Gold. The Inner Circle Golden Child is at the center like an All Seeing Eye of the Capstone. Gold Standard indeed. 1 Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" The Inner Circle (three highest degrees) is protected by Magick, Spells, Enchantments and Lucifer's Coverings. It's time to break the Spell.  Last, but not least, we come to the final Symbol...  The Mother of all Masonic Symbols... the "Grand Decoration" of the Order. The Roman Numeral "X" or Ten/Gold is shown as Crossed sWords. Lead has been turned into Gold. Two Ouroboros encircle the center. A Teutonic Cross contains within it the Pillars of Jachin and Boaz revealing the Pillar of Beauty. The Union of Trinities are now all balanced while the Double Eagle stands proud as if representing the birth of a New Dawn... The Age of Transhumanism. Mark 13:30 "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done" Oh... and about that number 23... see it?  That is called "The Hand of Justice". You may have seen it before...  23 + 23 = 46, the number of Chromosomes of Man. See the "X"?  Note that the two fingers down can also represent 'twice', thus it would read "Three Twice" or "33". The birth of the New Man. Lost Word/Nucleobases Found. And now for the Slides...    Visit my website... [link to www.mostholyplace.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35347194 United States09/11/2016 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freemasonry. Quoting: Base12 A debate has been raging for centuries on whether or not Freemasons worship and serve Lucifer. In this chapter, we will attempt to settle this argument once and for all using Freemasonry's very own Symbols and Rituals. Our reference will be "THE BOOK OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED SCOTTISH RITE OF FREEMASONRY" by Charles T. McClenachan (33Degree), Published 1885. Free versions may be found on the web. The particular copy we are using was entered into the Library of Congress on June 11, 1885. The high resolution pages, chock full of Symbols and information, may be easily copied onto One's computer if desired. PAGE 23 Fittingly, we begin with Page "23", a number we will get to shortly. We are greeted with this Symbol... :nonagon: A nine-sided star formed by three interlaced triangles called a Nonagon, with a Gold Sun at the center, surrounded by an Ouroboros. Enochian Symbols representing the initials of the Nine Sacred Words fill in each corner. At the bottom of the page we see the 'Yod Hey Vav Hey' or Tetragrammaton. Christians pronounce this word as LORD. Thus we can assume for the moment that this Symbol represents the LORD or God of Freemasonry. We will now begin to decipher this Symbol beginning with the serpent. This is an easy one as most folks know who the Serpent is... Ezekiel 28:13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created" Yes, we are talking about Lucifer here. Could this Serpent simply be a distraction? Perhaps put there to scare Initiates? Let's keep going... We see that there are exactly nine points to the Nonagon. Is there a correlation to Lucifer? Yes! As we can see in Ezekiel 28:13, Lucifer was covered with Ten Precious Stones. Oops, that's one too many! Or is it? Note that nine of those Stones are Gemstones however... one is a Metal... Gold. If we were to arrange the nine Gemstones on each point of the Nonagon, we discover that Gold has been "occulted" yet hidden in plain sight. Do you see it? The GOLDEN Sun at the center is the tenth Stone! I.e. Gold. The Golden Child. Jesus of course is likened to the Sun, however in this particular context we see it's the One who wishes to be "like the Most High"… Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" Plausible deniability is definitely built into this Symbol. One could say it's Jesus and many would be fooled, however the Wise would know that Jesus would have twelve Gemstones and not nine or ten. So for now it would appear that our research matches up pretty well. We even have a 'Lost Word of Freemasonry' in the form of those Enochian characters. Ten Lost Tribes? PAGE 32 Yeah, 32 degrees... we get it. Secret Master or Fourth Degree of the Scottish Rite is where we are again introduced to the Nonagon, except this time it's a bit different... :nonagon3: In reading about this degree we find that the Nonagon is hanging in the EAST in a mock up of King Solomon's Temple. Unfortunately, this is NOT how King Solomon's Temple looked like much less how the Furniture was arranged. It is blasphemy. On Page 34, the Nonagon Sun is referred to as the "Blazing Star" (Sirius/Venus/ISIS) and is shown as a Yod. More clues. Note that the Pillar of Beauty is 'veiled' in this degree. Who is the Pillar of Beauty? Ezekiel 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty" Adding another clue is the descriptions of the Officers "Seated as in Perfection". Indeed. Let's not forget that that the East is where the Sun and Venus rise... Ezekiel 8:16 "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east" Moving on... PAGE 223 23? We'll get there. We are at the Seventeenth Degree of the Scottish Rite called "Knights of the East and West". And what do we see? :knighteastwest: An Authoritative Figure holding Seven Stars surrounded by Seven Candlesticks? Who is that?!!?? Revelation 1:16-18 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength" "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last" "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" Yes, it is JESUS! What is He doing there? As we read the following pages we find many verses from the Book of Revelation and praises to 'Our Father'. Could our assumptions be incorrect? Could Freemasons really be worshipping and serving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? Not so fast! Something isn't right here. As we go through the Book, we find the Rebis, the Kabbalah so called "Tree of Life" and drawings by Elphas Levi (creator of Baphomet) are promoted as worthy study material. :unclemikey-680: We begin to realize that Freemasonry is a mixture of many beliefs merged into One. The Bible calls it Mystery Babylon. Remember the Three Triangles of the Nonagon? Those represent the Three Trinities of Major World Religions joined into a Singularity. One Triangle is Black. One is White. One is Gray. PAGE 471 At the higher degrees we find that our Nonagon has transitioned into an Encampment... :encampment: The Heptagon of Jesus has been swapped out in favor of Five Magickal Elements. Earth/Air/Water/Fire/Aether Sure, it looks Biblical with the Lion, Ox, Heart of Man and Eagle (commonly known as Matthew, Mark Luke and John). However, there is a Fifth Gospel or Fifth Element that has been added... The Ark of the Covenant/Aether. Another Gospel eh? 2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him" So who is the Magickal Fifth Element covering the Ark? Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire" Lucifer! Remember those Precious Stones? Those are Tribes or Camps. See them going around? Those are the 'Coverings' of the Symbol. Get it? They are even colored the same as Lucifer's Gemstones! The Lost Tribes and the Lost Word of Freemasonry. Wow. If One looks at the center of the Capstone, One will find the Roman Numeral "X" or Ten. What was the Tenth Stone? Gold. The Inner Circle Golden Child is at the center like an All Seeing Eye of the Capstone. Gold Standard indeed. 1 Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" The Inner Circle (three highest degrees) is protected by Magick, Spells, Enchantments and Lucifer's Coverings. It's time to break the Spell. Last, but not least, we come to the final Symbol... :nonagon2: The Mother of all Masonic Symbols... the "Grand Decoration" of the Order. The Roman Numeral "X" or Ten/Gold is shown as Crossed sWords. Lead has been turned into Gold. Two Ouroboros encircle the center. A Teutonic Cross contains within it the Pillars of Jachin and Boaz revealing the Pillar of Beauty. The Union of Trinities are now all balanced while the Double Eagle stands proud as if representing the birth of a New Dawn... The Age of Transhumanism. Mark 13:30 "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done" Oh... and about that number 23... see it? :handofjustice: That is called "The Hand of Justice". You may have seen it before... 23 + 23 = 46, the number of Chromosomes of Man. See the "X"? :chromosome: Note that the two fingers down can also represent 'twice', thus it would read "Three Twice" or "33". The birth of the New Man. Lost Word/Nucleobases Found. And now for the Slides... :unclemikey-754: :unclemikey-755: :unclemikey-756: hey! the top pic is my symbol. Mine is gold and purple though. |
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(OP) User ID: 72954797 United States09/11/2016 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what do you think those upside down three dot triangles on the right and left top, mean on that symbol with the sun in the middle? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72134287 When One reads the Book I mentioned, One can find the deciphering keys. I tried posting a link, but it wouldn't work.  Visit my website... [link to www.mostholyplace.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72909921 United States09/11/2016 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | `yup baphomet, drawn by eliphas levi, was never drawn to represent the devil, E.A. Waite added the word "the devil" to Levi's drawing when Waite made tarot cards using the image. Eliphas Levi's drawing is alchemical, has ZERO to do with satan |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72909921 United States09/11/2016 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what do you think those upside down three dot triangles on the right and left top, mean on that symbol with the sun in the middle? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72134287 When One reads the Book I mentioned, One can find the deciphering keys. I tried posting a link, but it wouldn't work. freemasonry has nothing to do with the devil, even Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma says there is no devil |
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(OP) User ID: 72954797 United States09/11/2016 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK you guys, I have to go do errands today. Post what you want, I never censor my threads. See ya!  Visit my website... [link to www.mostholyplace.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72964098 Switzerland09/11/2016 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eliphas Levi: The Man Behind Baphomet 1 APRIL 2010 Alphonse Louis Constant was born the son of a shoemaker in 1810. At an early age he caught the attentions of a Parish Priest who arranged for Alphonse to be sent to the seminary of Saint Nichols du Chardonnet and latterly to Saint Sulpice. It was here that he studied Roman Catholicism with the intent of joining the Priesthood. He gave up the collar of Catholicism to become an Occultist in the nineteenth century. Some claim he was thrown out of the Church for his heretical views or as the story goes for “preaching doctrines contrary to the Church.” Before his death in 1875 Levi is said to have reconciled with the Catholic Church and died having received last rites. While alive he followed the esoteric path and adopted the Jewish pseudonym of Eliphas Levi, which he claimed was a Hebrew version of his, own name. Although known for many books on ritual Magic, Levi is perhaps best known for his work regarding the alleged deity of the Knights Templar, the Baphomet. Levi considered the Baphomet to be a depiction of the absolute in symbolic form. His treatment of the Baphomet Mythos is best seen in his illustration of the Baphomet shown below, which he used as a front piece to one of his many books. According to the author Michael Howard, he [Levi] based the illustration on a Gargoyle that appears on a building owned by the Templars; the Commandry of Saint Bris le Vineux. “The Gargoyle is in the form of a bearded horned figure with pendulous female breasts, wings and cloven feet. It sits in a crossed-legged position which resembles statues of the Celtic stag god, Cernnunnus or the Horned One, found in Gaul (France) before the Roman occupation.” The Occult Conspiracy by Michael Howard Levi’s Drawing: An Examination It is believed that within Levi’s Baphomet, are contained the dualistic nature of life and the male female aspects of creation. The image combines both male and female qualities; one arm masculine, one feminine; the breasts of a woman with a phallic object on its lap; one arm pointing skyward while one pointing down, perhaps a representation of the Hermetic axiom “As Above…So Below”. The illustration also shows one arm points toward a white crescent moon the other towards a dark crescent moon, perhaps a representation of the waxing and waning phases of the moon but it could also represent the duality of good and evil. On the right arm is written “Solve” Solution and on the Left “Coagula” Coagulation. These are references found in alchemy a study that Levi not only undertook but also wrote about in his books. Here is what Eliphas Levi had to say about the Baphomet image he drew. My thanks go to Christian Joachim Hartmann for providing me with this translation from Levi’s book: “The goat on the frontispiece carries the sign of the pentagram on the forehead, with one point at the top, a symbol of light, his two hands forming the sign of hermetism, the one pointing up to the white moon of Chesed, the other pointing down to the black one of Geburah. This sign expresses the perfect harmony of mercy with justice. His one arm is female, the other male like the ones of the androgyn of Khunrath, the attributes of which we had to unite with those of our goat because he is one and the same symbol. The flame of intelligence shining between his horns is the magic light of the universal balance, the image of the soul elevated above matter, as the flame, whilst being tied to matter, shines above it. The ugly beast’s head expresses the horror of the sinner, whose materially acting, solely reponsible part has to bear the punishment exclusively; because the soul is insensitive according to its nature and can only suffer when it materializes. The rod standing instead of genitals symbolizes eternal life, the body covered with scales the water, the semi- circle above it the atmosphere, the feathers following above the volatile. Humanity is represented by the two breasts and the androgyn arms of this sphinx of the occult sciences.” Continue to read: [link to blog.templarhistory.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72097474 United States09/11/2016 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YOU ARE GOD. The Vatican created and compiled the Bible which is also shrouded in allegory and symbolism. The very SAME symbolism you think is about Lucifer. You only need to wake up from your dream. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72330703  Portugal09/11/2016 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread is BS. What you are attempting to decipher is symbolism you do not understand. Let me translate it all for you in laymen terms so that you understand... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72097474 YOU ARE GOD. The Vatican created and compiled the Bible which is also shrouded in allegory and symbolism. The very SAME symbolism you think is about Lucifer. You only need to wake up from your dream.   |
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User ID: 72539217 United States09/11/2016 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Provided this is an original piece, I believe you have done an impeccable job and have gone a long way to provide a valuable public service. So, kudos to you. Truthfully, I believe the esoteric dogma proposed by these fraternal orders merits further independent study by those not directly affiliated with their teachings. In my younger years, I spent countless hours researching blue and red lodge Freemasonry as well as its unofficial cohorts, such as Prince Hall Freemasonry. I even went so far to pay good amounts of money to niche retailers in hopes of acquiring hard to find ritual books for Freemason Affiliate Orders such as OES and Rainbow Girls. I could continue to expound on why I chose to utilize my spare time and money for this purpose, though I feel it is best left up to your own imagination. At this point, I would very much like to critique your conclusions. First, Freemasons rely on symbols for a vast multitude of reasons. The most paramount reason, in my humble opinion, is interpretation. Words, as we know them today, have meanings. Though the meanings of words do change over time, in some cases quite profoundly I might add, the time frame in which they were written stays definite. Therefore, if one can deduce the time frame in which the work was written one can usually more accurately deduce the contextual basis of the word. Thus, words usually provide a type of finality. However, even this point could be argued as holy books, while written in a blatant manner, do not always provide a definite understanding to their adherents. Therefore, these same adherents turn to interpretation and attempt to read “between the lines” to gather further insight. Oftentimes, these interpretations lead to further confusion and, in some scenarios, even lead to rifts in the faith that these books represent. It is my opinion that the usage of symbols was devised to not only mitigate this risk but also provide a means of encryption. Symbols, as you well know, have a multitude of interpretations by their inherent nature. For instance, take the Sanskrit svastika. This symbol traditionally meant luck and good fortune for generations. However, when utilized by the Nazi Party, this symbols meaning changed, quite rapidly mind you, to something very different. Likewise, the cross, to me the symbol of the ultimate sacrifice, might mean something very different to another. In some nations, the symbol of the cross is likened to the meaning of the corrupted svastika. Therefore, to convey deep spiritual truths that could, in fact, change over time I propose that Freemasons long ago decided to rely very heavily on the use of symbols. Granted, there are volumes of works written by high level Freemasons such as “Moral and Dogma” by Pike, but these works are not definitive. Indeed, my limited research has shown to me that even upper level adherents dispute the observations or interpretations by fellow brothers of the craft. This allows the craft to evolve over time without pigeon-holing Freemasonry by utilizing one definitive work. These symbols provide a loose interpretation which promotes debate and free thinking and goes a long way to preserve Masonic traditions. The second point that I noted in the aforementioned paragraph is that of encryption. While I proposed that there are multiple interpretations to every symbol, whether real or imagined, there exists the possibility that your conclusions are correct. Perhaps you have stumbled upon the exact interpretation that is hidden from the uninitiated masses and adherents the world over. However, your conclusions can never be truly deemed definitive as there is no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you are correct. Most individuals will simply regard your efforts as conjecture. This shows the immense power of symbols the world over. With this being said, I will attempt to prove my theory by utilizing a practical application of these concepts. I will now propose an alternate explanation for the nonagon. It is important to note that the nonagon is not exclusive to Freemasonry or its affiliate orders. In fact, it is a common nine-sided mathematical figure most prevalent in the fields of geometry and engineering. This geometric shape is sometimes utilized in the creation of structures. In terms of it's religious usage, one notable example of this particular shape is found throughout the temples of the Bahá’í Faith. To its adherents, the Bahá’í, this symbol is used in worship by those who believe their faith to represent the spiritual unity of mankind. In addition, some individuals seem to append certain deep spiritual truths to numbers. These truths sometimes lend themselves to better understand the nature of the universe. For instance, the number one can sometimes represent the individual or the beginning. Sometimes, the number five can be used as a number of man as the human form possesses five natural appendages. Four of these appendages possess five individual fingers or toes. Thus, it seems five is a number very applicable to mankind. In this instance, the number nine is often seen as a number of that which is universal. It is a number of unity, enlightenment, and the whole of humanity. Therefore, it is possible that Freemasons utilize the nonagon to represent spiritual unity or awakening. If you are interested, I have a very good alternate for your usage of gemstones that will REALLY make you think. It was a pleasure reading your post and please keep up the good work, MFiera GLP is an INSTITUTION |
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User ID: 70084435 United States09/11/2016 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread is BS. What you are attempting to decipher is symbolism you do not understand. Let me translate it all for you in laymen terms so that you understand... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72097474 YOU ARE GOD. The Vatican created and compiled the Bible which is also shrouded in allegory and symbolism. The very SAME symbolism you think is about Lucifer. You only need to wake up from your dream.  |
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User ID: 72430910 United States09/11/2016 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great effort, Base12! Wow! I am bookmarking it for later study--5 stars for your beautiful analysis. (I haven't studied it yet, so I can't say if I agree with it or not....but Thank you for your work!)  "Know ONE thing absolutely...and you will UNDERSTAND everything. Walt Whitman "Leaves of Grass" "...Buckle up buttercups cuz this shit is going to go biblical." GLP'er Thread: Update Pg14 2 Trees of Genesis! Alien Covenant Ridley Scott's new Movie: Carries Message on DNA and Ark of the Covenant! Video Thread: Updated: The Radcliffe WAVE Discovered along Milky Way's Dark Rift! Is this LaViolette's Super Wave? Thread: "Founder of Analytical Psychology," Carl Jung Called "Disturbed" Due to His "Red Book!" Video Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, Thread: 2-23-2020 pg. 8 Big Update: The DAVINCI EQUINOX CODE: Ancient Equinox temples were WARNINGS not "celebrations" of the sun." Thread: Disney's TV Series "LOST" MARATHON! Numbers/Script Match Future News! 2018-2020 Target Years. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72892461 United States09/11/2016 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could it possibly mean... That all the secrets of life have been laid bare and they are worthless in your hands if you choose not to follow god? Would you make the same mistake as lucifer did when he was young? You are indeed fools. And for the record any mason that teaches that you are god are not masonic knights, they are agents of evil or stupidity if evil is to much of a scary term to understand in your poor simple mind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72097474 United States09/11/2016 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread is BS. What you are attempting to decipher is symbolism you do not understand. Let me translate it all for you in laymen terms so that you understand... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72097474 YOU ARE GOD. The Vatican created and compiled the Bible which is also shrouded in allegory and symbolism. The very SAME symbolism you think is about Lucifer. You only need to wake up from your dream. Thank you. 33 = Jesus starts his ministry 32 = The number of vertebrae of a man 33 = The Hypothalamus Gland in man's brain (ALL SEEING EYE) That is enough for any real TRUTH seeker to delve further into the OCCULT ANATOMY OF MAN. <--- Yes, HIDDEN FROM YOU. YOU ARE A GOD |
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Everything User ID: 71719409 United States09/11/2016 06:43 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what do you think those upside down three dot triangles on the right and left top, mean on that symbol with the sun in the middle? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72134287 When One reads the Book I mentioned, One can find the deciphering keys. I tried posting a link, but it wouldn't work. freemasonry has nothing to do with the devil, even Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma says there is no devil Albert Pike used the name for Satan as Lucifer. So, he was a demon personality, he wrote up the plan for the take over of the USA by Lucifer worshipers. He may have said he was just a Freemason but that not what he was, he was a worshiper of Lucifer. You think planing the 2 world wars and other things were not worshiping the Devil or Satan or Lucifer, these thing were followed to the letter almost, they even use his other work and if it was not going just right they did just a little changing. He followed the Illuminati order, that the fact of it. They can try to clean him up but he and his follower were dirty, just like Madam B? she was in the ear of the UN, who was just the same, she followed Lucifer saying he was the real god. These people were in the Freemason but they were not cool you can hide what they were. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
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