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~Lumminessa~  (OP)

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Here is what I think of the BLM just in case you wondered...

the second horse is dead, from what the BLM calls "lovely euthanasia" which is a bullet to the brain. The first horse lost its mother by same because she was deemed too skinny.

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 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


I was wondering if they were shot. Sorry, I have not read all the links but I have seen this before. BLM takes a lot of pride in killing animals.
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As I said, I was personally at the roundup and talked to the BLM. I was assured no horses would be put down if they got into the trailers. The BLM killed over 30 horses after they were taken away. The vet made it a point never to be caught by anyone's eye because of the potential atrocity. The BLM purposely does not conduct an inventory of any horses at roundups so many are just "disappeared."

Right now there are thousands of missing horses that were at the Palomino Facility which is now vacant. Upon inquiry, we were told we had to file a FIOFA to find out where the horses that were housed (corralled after round up) there, went. Most likely these horses will never be found.


The horses I am involved with that are in seclusion in Northern Nevada were babies of a bunch of Wyoming wild horses that were sent to slaughter, supposedly by mistake by the BLM, they were rounded up in secret and most likely sold. The babies were intercepted on their way to slaughter over the Canadian border. The wild horses get sold for big dollars to overseas buyers for human consumption, they are ideal because they lack any injections or pharmaceuticals that domesticated horses have been tainted with. The babies were literally rescued from slaughter while their parents were not. This is what has been happening over the Mexican and Canadian borders.

Someone is making money, somewhere. And the horses are disappearing. The population counts are fraudulently skewed to allow the BLM and their high paid contractors, to round them up publicly, and covertly on the down-low as well.

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Thread: Wild Horse Shenanigans - Management Into Extinction - UPDATED
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I don't understand why the horses don't have greener pastures. I understand that they are in a desert but it certainly doesn't seem like it should be home to them. Clearly they depend upon water troughs and hay.

Is the desert their actual habitat to live in? Where did the horses come from originally? Is it the cattle ranchers that want the horses out of their area? Is that the real reason for the BLM other than other nefarious deeds that they do.

I had heard some years ago about T Boone Pickens and his plans with the aquifer but that was the aquifer in the panhandle of Texas that I read about.
 Quoting: Bluebird1 66433951


Different horses in different areas and climates. Some horses live in more fruitful climates and others, like the ones in my pictures, live in more severe habitats.

I owned my own farm in the past and was harassed by ranchers that bordered my property. I was appalled at what people are willing to do to animals and such to make their statements or intimidate/send messages. Really sick stuff being done to protect personal interests. The rancher on one side of me used to throw 4 inch long nails into my pastures on a regular basis, among other things.

The irony was I had 7 water wells, 5 of which were achieving great results, the rancher with the attitude had to have their water trucked in....
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


Wow, sorry to hear that you had to deal with such nonsense. It doesn't make much sense. You have your property and animals and they have theirs. I guess they didn't want horse ranchers around the area. It's none of their damn business as to what you choose to do with your land.

Very soulless people that would think nothing of harming animals.

Any ideas as to helping the Mustangs? I believe the BLM will be history just like all the other alphabet agencies. Just a matter of time and my understanding is that they are very short on time.
 Quoting: Bluebird1 66433951

The militarized BLM needs to be dismantled. They have not done what they were hired to do in managing the natural resources of our lands. They have proven time and time again that they are sell outs for special and personal interests. Deep Pockets rue the day, money talks and the animals and other resources suffer. The Wild Horse is protected by The Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971 but instead the BLM are managing the wild horses and burros into extinction, removing genetic diversity from the populations among other things. They do no studies as to what gets removed, which is gross mismanagement, in my opinion. Lots of ideas but BLM as it stands is not part of any of it.

For instance, they say they counted over 500 horses at Cold Creek Nevada this time last year, they removed approximately 270 in an emergency gather because some were really suffering through the summer. That should leave at least 200 horses up there right? You know less than 12 have been seen in the entire year!!! That is blatant fact.
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


None of the alphabet agencies do what they are suppose to do. I have called the FDA the federal death agency for years now. I understand the big picture and it connects to our fake Corporate Gov't. I believe things are about to change big time in that area and I hope it is very soon.

So I guess Cold Creek area is the horses rightful home. I am guessing there are cattle ranchers in that area. Perhaps there is more to it than the ranchers. Makes me more curious as to that area....

Thanks for your post and your insight. I appreciate it. I have a great love of horses and all animals. I see the BLM as a bunch of ignorant bullies working for other people's interests and certainly not the animals.....nor some ranchers.
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Original story has been updated.

It says that Ms. Pickens feed the horses "when she is there." She is rarely there.

She is the source of the reward $$. She contacted the Sheriff and they will probably not be doing much of an investigation. Why? They know it is an inside job.

It says that staff checks on the horses "once a week(!)" when water sources for animals in the desert should be checked daily, especially when they are not a reliable, natural source. Anything can happen to a well, whenever. One or two days without water in the extreme heat will kill a horse.

From sources close to the monument and to Madeleine, she is in a panic because she knows she is about to face some serious criminal and legal drama.
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Different horses in different areas and climates. Some horses live in more fruitful climates and others, like the ones in my pictures, live in more severe habitats.

I owned my own farm in the past and was harassed by ranchers that bordered my property. I was appalled at what people are willing to do to animals and such to make their statements or intimidate/send messages. Really sick stuff being done to protect personal interests. The rancher on one side of me used to throw 4 inch long nails into my pastures on a regular basis, among other things.

The irony was I had 7 water wells, 5 of which were achieving great results, the rancher with the attitude had to have their water trucked in....
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


Wow, sorry to hear that you had to deal with such nonsense. It doesn't make much sense. You have your property and animals and they have theirs. I guess they didn't want horse ranchers around the area. It's none of their damn business as to what you choose to do with your land.

Very soulless people that would think nothing of harming animals.

Any ideas as to helping the Mustangs? I believe the BLM will be history just like all the other alphabet agencies. Just a matter of time and my understanding is that they are very short on time.
 Quoting: Bluebird1 66433951

The militarized BLM needs to be dismantled. They have not done what they were hired to do in managing the natural resources of our lands. They have proven time and time again that they are sell outs for special and personal interests. Deep Pockets rue the day, money talks and the animals and other resources suffer. The Wild Horse is protected by The Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971 but instead the BLM are managing the wild horses and burros into extinction, removing genetic diversity from the populations among other things. They do no studies as to what gets removed, which is gross mismanagement, in my opinion. Lots of ideas but BLM as it stands is not part of any of it.

For instance, they say they counted over 500 horses at Cold Creek Nevada this time last year, they removed approximately 270 in an emergency gather because some were really suffering through the summer. That should leave at least 200 horses up there right? You know less than 12 have been seen in the entire year!!! That is blatant fact.
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


None of the alphabet agencies do what they are suppose to do. I have called the FDA the federal death agency for years now. I understand the big picture and it connects to our fake Corporate Gov't. I believe things are about to change big time in that area and I hope it is very soon.

So I guess Cold Creek area is the horses rightful home. I am guessing there are cattle ranchers in that area. Perhaps there is more to it than the ranchers. Makes me more curious as to that area....

Thanks for your post and your insight. I appreciate it. I have a great love of horses and all animals. I see the BLM as a bunch of ignorant bullies working for other people's interests and certainly not the animals.....nor some ranchers.
 Quoting: Bluebird1 66433951


There are actually no cattle ranchers up there, but, however an off grid community and off road recreation area at the very end of the road. But the area is rich in resources that I have documented. When I drove up there a few months ago there were weird lights mounted on the mountain tops, so I suspect mining or solar, something is ultimately winning over the horses. There has been a mass removal trend lately where fracking ends up going as well. I am in full agreement on the govt agencies. Thank you for your involvement in trying to out the corruption.

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The horses of thousands of years ago went extinct for reasons of geologic and climate change. They were reintroduced. They are no longer suited for the climate and have no natural predator. When they die of starvation, as they often do in NV, the blood is on the hands of the whackadoodles that refuse to accept the fact that the horse population can not survive in a healthy or humane manner without human assistance.

Horse blood on your hands, Madeleine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


Not even palm trees in Las Vegas can live without someone planting them with added provisional watering systems. Sometimes I think that the "whackadoodles" as you have noted, are the ones who live in Las Vegas, who once made their money on the lucrative Area 51 drilling operations supporting the nuclear testing, and other jobs relating back to Nellis AFB.

Much of that region is very dry volcanic origin soils, very deep valleys filled with volcanic ash, and geology dictated by the remnants of various semi-extinct shield volcanoes, especially to the north and east of Area 51. Probably the best animals suited to those lands are the various indigenous equine species, and not those currently used by ranchers trying to justify their use of the land with not very intelligent cattle, bred for their meat and not for their brains.

Regardless, as I see it someone wants all human use off of those lands, wants the destruction of all the wild horse bands, and would rather destructive subsurface extraction of mineral resources to commence as well as more lucrative commercial solar or wind generation to occur, post haste.

AC 65610068, were you by chance recently in that area with fence pliers and hammer in hand, fairly recently? You seem to be upset that more horses aren't now dead because of the recent shenanigans.
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The horses of thousands of years ago went extinct for reasons of geologic and climate change. They were reintroduced. They are no longer suited for the climate and have no natural predator. When they die of starvation, as they often do in NV, the blood is on the hands of the whackadoodles that refuse to accept the fact that the horse population can not survive in a healthy or humane manner without human assistance.

Horse blood on your hands, Madeleine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


Not even palm trees in Las Vegas can live without someone planting them with added provisional watering systems. Sometimes I think that the "whackadoodles" as you have noted, are the ones who live in Las Vegas, who once made their money on the lucrative Area 51 drilling operations supporting the nuclear testing, and other jobs relating back to Nellis AFB.

Much of that region is very dry volcanic origin soils, very deep valleys filled with volcanic ash, and geology dictated by the remnants of various semi-extinct shield volcanoes, especially to the north and east of Area 51. Probably the best animals suited to those lands are the various indigenous equine species, and not those currently used by ranchers trying to justify their use of the land with not very intelligent cattle, bred for their meat and not for their brains.

Regardless, as I see it someone wants all human use off of those lands, wants the destruction of all the wild horse bands, and would rather destructive subsurface extraction of mineral resources to commence as well as more lucrative commercial solar or wind generation to occur, post haste.

AC 65610068, were you by chance recently in that area with fence pliers and hammer in hand, fairly recently? You seem to be upset that more horses aren't now dead because of the recent shenanigans.
 Quoting: The Starbuckian


Awesome post. I have actually found petrified logs up there that were being used for target practice, and other resources noted above in another post.
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The horses of thousands of years ago went extinct for reasons of geologic and climate change. They were reintroduced. They are no longer suited for the climate and have no natural predator. When they die of starvation, as they often do in NV, the blood is on the hands of the whackadoodles that refuse to accept the fact that the horse population can not survive in a healthy or humane manner without human assistance.

Horse blood on your hands, Madeleine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


Not even palm trees in Las Vegas can live without someone planting them with added provisional watering systems. Sometimes I think that the "whackadoodles" as you have noted, are the ones who live in Las Vegas, who once made their money on the lucrative Area 51 drilling operations supporting the nuclear testing, and other jobs relating back to Nellis AFB.

Much of that region is very dry volcanic origin soils, very deep valleys filled with volcanic ash, and geology dictated by the remnants of various semi-extinct shield volcanoes, especially to the north and east of Area 51. Probably the best animals suited to those lands are the various indigenous equine species, and not those currently used by ranchers trying to justify their use of the land with not very intelligent cattle, bred for their meat and not for their brains.

Regardless, as I see it someone wants all human use off of those lands, wants the destruction of all the wild horse bands, and would rather destructive subsurface extraction of mineral resources to commence as well as more lucrative commercial solar or wind generation to occur, post haste.

AC 65610068, were you by chance recently in that area with fence pliers and hammer in hand, fairly recently? You seem to be upset that more horses aren't now dead because of the recent shenanigans.
 Quoting: The Starbuckian


All I am saying is, the horses would still be alive if Madeleine cared about them enough to have her staff check on them daily. She should have the resources. She may have been vandalized, but she is also neglectful of the creatures in her control. How sad. Its like saying,"I'm offering a $100k reward for info on whoever broke into my car two weeks ago. The are responsible for my cat that died two weeks ago after being locked in the car. Get it?!?! It may have been a neighboring rancher that cut the fence when he saw thirsty horses congregating and knew they were out of water.
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Here is what I think of the BLM just in case you wondered...

the second horse is dead, from what the BLM calls "lovely euthanasia" which is a bullet to the brain. The first horse lost its mother by same because she was deemed too skinny.

[link to imgur.com]

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 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


I was wondering if they were shot. Sorry, I have not read all the links but I have seen this before. BLM takes a lot of pride in killing animals.
 Quoting: smackdog


As I said, I was personally at the roundup and talked to the BLM. I was assured no horses would be put down if they got into the trailers. The BLM killed over 30 horses after they were taken away. The vet made it a point never to be caught by anyone's eye because of the potential atrocity. The BLM purposely does not conduct an inventory of any horses at roundups so many are just "disappeared."

Right now there are thousands of missing horses that were at the Palomino Facility which is now vacant. Upon inquiry, we were told we had to file a FIOFA to find out where the horses that were housed (corralled after round up) there, went. Most likely these horses will never be found.


The horses I am involved with that are in seclusion in Northern Nevada were babies of a bunch of Wyoming wild horses that were sent to slaughter, supposedly by mistake by the BLM, they were rounded up in secret and most likely sold. The babies were intercepted on their way to slaughter over the Canadian border. The wild horses get sold for big dollars to overseas buyers for human consumption, they are ideal because they lack any injections or pharmaceuticals that domesticated horses have been tainted with. The babies were literally rescued from slaughter while their parents were not. This is what has been happening over the Mexican and Canadian borders.

Someone is making money, somewhere. And the horses are disappearing. The population counts are fraudulently skewed to allow the BLM and their high paid contractors, to round them up publicly, and covertly on the down-low as well.
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


Sad to say, but the missing horses will probably be found in the increased general output of meat byproducts at area processing companies that have a grinder in operation. Probably cash only transactions.

As far as the BLM operations, they were advised to change their management focus to benefit first the wild horses and burros, instead of anybody else that wants to make money from that land, when testimony from the public was accepted at a recent BLM meeting in Columbus, Ohio.
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Original story has been updated.

It says that Ms. Pickens feed the horses "when she is there." She is rarely there.

She is the source of the reward $$. She contacted the Sheriff and they will probably not be doing much of an investigation. Why? They know it is an inside job.

It says that staff checks on the horses "once a week(!)" when water sources for animals in the desert should be checked daily, especially when they are not a reliable, natural source. Anything can happen to a well, whenever. One or two days without water in the extreme heat will kill a horse.

From sources close to the monument and to Madeleine, she is in a panic because she knows she is about to face some serious criminal and legal drama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


So you do nothing knowing shenanigans were involved when all the water sources were turned off, fences were cut open and horses were let out? Yeah right....you are so obvious.

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The horses of thousands of years ago went extinct for reasons of geologic and climate change. They were reintroduced. They are no longer suited for the climate and have no natural predator. When they die of starvation, as they often do in NV, the blood is on the hands of the whackadoodles that refuse to accept the fact that the horse population can not survive in a healthy or humane manner without human assistance.

Horse blood on your hands, Madeleine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


Not even palm trees in Las Vegas can live without someone planting them with added provisional watering systems. Sometimes I think that the "whackadoodles" as you have noted, are the ones who live in Las Vegas, who once made their money on the lucrative Area 51 drilling operations supporting the nuclear testing, and other jobs relating back to Nellis AFB.

Much of that region is very dry volcanic origin soils, very deep valleys filled with volcanic ash, and geology dictated by the remnants of various semi-extinct shield volcanoes, especially to the north and east of Area 51. Probably the best animals suited to those lands are the various indigenous equine species, and not those currently used by ranchers trying to justify their use of the land with not very intelligent cattle, bred for their meat and not for their brains.

Regardless, as I see it someone wants all human use off of those lands, wants the destruction of all the wild horse bands, and would rather destructive subsurface extraction of mineral resources to commence as well as more lucrative commercial solar or wind generation to occur, post haste.

AC 65610068, were you by chance recently in that area with fence pliers and hammer in hand, fairly recently? You seem to be upset that more horses aren't now dead because of the recent shenanigans.
 Quoting: The Starbuckian


All I am saying is, the horses would still be alive if Madeleine cared about them enough to have her staff check on them daily. She should have the resources. She may have been vandalized, but she is also neglectful of the creatures in her control. How sad. Its like saying,"I'm offering a $100k reward for info on whoever broke into my car two weeks ago. The are responsible for my cat that died two weeks ago after being locked in the car. Get it?!?! It may have been a neighboring rancher that cut the fence when he saw thirsty horses congregating and knew they were out of water.
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If you know so much about Madeline why didn't you water the horses or tell her that the fences were cut? Hmmmmm? You seem to know a whole heck of a lot for someone who "cares"
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Original story has been updated.

It says that Ms. Pickens feed the horses "when she is there." She is rarely there.

She is the source of the reward $$. She contacted the Sheriff and they will probably not be doing much of an investigation. Why? They know it is an inside job.

It says that staff checks on the horses "once a week(!)" when water sources for animals in the desert should be checked daily, especially when they are not a reliable, natural source. Anything can happen to a well, whenever. One or two days without water in the extreme heat will kill a horse.

From sources close to the monument and to Madeleine, she is in a panic because she knows she is about to face some serious criminal and legal drama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


How are you privy to what the investigation involves? So obviously a shill and possibly complicit in crime imo.
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Original story has been updated.

It says that Ms. Pickens feed the horses "when she is there." She is rarely there.

She is the source of the reward $$. She contacted the Sheriff and they will probably not be doing much of an investigation. Why? They know it is an inside job.

It says that staff checks on the horses "once a week(!)" when water sources for animals in the desert should be checked daily, especially when they are not a reliable, natural source. Anything can happen to a well, whenever. One or two days without water in the extreme heat will kill a horse.

From sources close to the monument and to Madeleine, she is in a panic because she knows she is about to face some serious criminal and legal drama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65610068


How are you privy to what the investigation involves? So obviously a shill and possibly complicit in crime imo.
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~


Someone should backtrace that user....

And a comment from a friend on Madeline: "Madeleine has encountered nothing but fierce opposition for her project- the BLM even cut off access as they could- in a power tripping mindset. They did not like her plans and it took her years of bureaucratic bullshit to get thru. This is clearly a hate crime- and she loves the animals and posts a reward to reach out to the public to help catch these bastards- because someone knows.... For people to claim she neglected her horses is asinine- her sanctuary reflects high standards, not the minimalist feed lot miseries like federal holding - where neglect takes place day in and out." by Monika

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I'm not saying the horses killed themselves. But ever notice alot of horses dying in movies now this? Could this be foreshadowing by twisted folks?
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Why do you think George Knapp is on this story? He knows the backstory that goes back years. He will win a Pulitzer for exposing the Pickens Plot to buy N. NV water rights and pipe it to Southern Nevada Water Authority. This story isn't really about horses, my dear.
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Why do you think George Knapp is on this story? He knows the backstory that goes back years. He will win a Pulitzer for exposing the Pickens Plot to buy N. NV water rights and pipe it to Southern Nevada Water Authority. This story isn't really about horses, my dear.
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George Knapp cares about wild horses. Do you need more articles for me to post to prove that?
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You may want to look into the water rights that went along with the sale of Warm Springs Ranch when she bought it.
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You may want to look into the water rights that went along with the sale of Warm Springs Ranch when she bought it.
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I had my own shenanigans with jealous ranchers and neighbors and my water rights/working water wells. I know the potential for crime, intimidation and all that. I personally experienced it first=hand.
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I didn't say that George Knapp does not care about wild horses. I'm sure he does. Many of us Nevadans do. But we also know the smell of bullshit. T. Boone Pickens and his ex, Madeleine are very powerful globalists, with their eyes on earth's most valuable resources, including water. If you are going to shill for the Pickens, I suggest you do your research into them and decide for yourself. George Knapp, as a well-respected journalist, even in the CT community, I'm am sure has done just that. He knows who he is dealing with here.
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You may want to look into the water rights that went along with the sale of Warm Springs Ranch when she bought it.
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Would be just desserts for a jealous rancher to kill a dozen horses to scare her, I mean why do FERAL horses need water right?

So obvious.
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I didn't say that George Knapp does not care about wild horses. I'm sure he does. Many of us Nevadans do. But we also know the smell of bullshit. T. Boone Pickens and his ex, Madeleine are very powerful globalists, with their eyes on earth's most valuable resources, including water. If you are going to shill for the Pickens, I suggest you do your research into them and decide for yourself. George Knapp, as a well-respected journalist, even in the CT community, I'm am sure has done just that. He knows who he is dealing with here.
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Your political affiliation and lobbying has gone duly noted. I am not a shill for Madeline. I am a wild horse advocate. I speak for horses and horses only.

I hope you enjoy your freezer full of meat this winter from your rancher friends for your deeds.

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...and your bizarre, self-righteous, confusion is delightful. Your paranoia is also... entertaining.
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The horses of thousands of years ago went extinct for reasons of geologic and climate change. They were reintroduced. They are no longer suited for the climate and have no natural predator. When they die of starvation, as they often do in NV, the blood is on the hands of the whackadoodles that refuse to accept the fact that the horse population can not survive in a healthy or humane manner without human assistance.

Horse blood on your hands, Madeleine.
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Not even palm trees in Las Vegas can live without someone planting them with added provisional watering systems. Sometimes I think that the "whackadoodles" as you have noted, are the ones who live in Las Vegas, who once made their money on the lucrative Area 51 drilling operations supporting the nuclear testing, and other jobs relating back to Nellis AFB.

Much of that region is very dry volcanic origin soils, very deep valleys filled with volcanic ash, and geology dictated by the remnants of various semi-extinct shield volcanoes, especially to the north and east of Area 51. Probably the best animals suited to those lands are the various indigenous equine species, and not those currently used by ranchers trying to justify their use of the land with not very intelligent cattle, bred for their meat and not for their brains.

Regardless, as I see it someone wants all human use off of those lands, wants the destruction of all the wild horse bands, and would rather destructive subsurface extraction of mineral resources to commence as well as more lucrative commercial solar or wind generation to occur, post haste.

AC 65610068, were you by chance recently in that area with fence pliers and hammer in hand, fairly recently? You seem to be upset that more horses aren't now dead because of the recent shenanigans.
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All I am saying is, the horses would still be alive if Madeleine cared about them enough to have her staff check on them daily. She should have the resources. She may have been vandalized, but she is also neglectful of the creatures in her control. How sad. Its like saying,"I'm offering a $100k reward for info on whoever broke into my car two weeks ago. The are responsible for my cat that died two weeks ago after being locked in the car. Get it?!?! It may have been a neighboring rancher that cut the fence when he saw thirsty horses congregating and knew they were out of water.
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If indeed you do travel often through that region, I can only assume that you will be taking note of future vandalism occurrences, and spending perhaps a half hour mending fences as needed with a fence stretcher, crimping tool, and splices out of the goodness of your heart, as well as seeing that the pumps are continuing to work as needed, instead of continuing to complain that the owner can't be there to tend to these key resources all the time personally. If I were there, as the caretaker that I am on lands where I live. I would do this. AC 65610068, if you need assistance in the proper installation of fence insulators, I would gladly like to assist you, as this knowledge isn't printed on the packages.

Me visiting with those wild horses and burros is something that they would look forward to, instead of soulless people angry that the equines are there, preventing corporate interests from squeezing as much revenue from the land as possible. Beware, what happens to the natural resource that are these wild horses and burros will also happen to the human population as well, to care for them as you would care for yourself, without expected living wages, to do so will bring you good health and a long life.

From what I've seen, it is no secret that the BLM wants all the recreational users, as well as livestock, wild horses, and burros off those lands so that more lucrative agreements for the extraction of uranium and solar energy projects can move forward. Oh, AC 65610068 you can forget about recreational 4-wheeling on those lands to be a protected activity as well, corporate doesn't want anybody out there.
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...and your bizarre, self-righteous, confusion is delightful. Your paranoia is also... entertaining.
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Paranoia gleaned from personal experience not only in owning a farm but being an advocate for the horses and harassed by BLM shills and rancher shills for years.

I am not afraid of much these days. No worries on calling any agencies on me, they have already been contacted. Just finished with the IRS so you can take that off of your list.

I know I am dealing with a hot bed of truth because you are on my ass. I have a special way of putting my energy out there for you wild horse-haters.
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrr
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrr
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hugs

is that a good grrr or a grumpy grr?

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I am not even hiding from the shills. No fear here anymore. It feels pretty good to stand in front of you and say liar!
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrrrr
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hugs

is that a good grrr or a grumpy grr?
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iiiiiiitts a Gamekeepers Grrrrr

Big hugs to YOu but man, these barbarians


GRRRRRRRR



THAT sort of grr


hope you are well:)


May i just say, Thank you so very very much for vouchsafe for me

I think, by colectively and with delight


giving the pale blue rope a collective "tug"


served as a gentle yet subtle reminder to us all, of teh frailty of life, seolf esteem and dignity, against the barrage of orchestrated fools

a Dance in time madam, if i may

hf
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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hugs

is that a good grrr or a grumpy grr?
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iiiiiiitts a Gamekeepers Grrrrr

Big hugs to YOu but man, these barbarians


GRRRRRRRR



THAT sort of grr


hope you are well:)


May i just say, Thank you so very very much for vouchsafe for me

I think, by colectively and with delight


giving the pale blue rope a collective "tug"


served as a gentle yet subtle reminder to us all, of teh frailty of life, seolf esteem and dignity, against the barrage of orchestrated fools

a Dance in time madam, if i may

hf
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of course my darling FS....always up for a dance, now and in time.

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She accepted responsibility for the horses. She fenced them in. Therefore, she is responsible for the regular welfare checks. Her staff would have become aware that the fences had been cut, wells turned off on the first day or two after occurance. It is blatantly obvious that they checks were not being done. Veterinarians and LEO are already on the case. Doesn't look good for Madeleine!!
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Thank you for this. Though not what you intended. You gave me some great ammo for my fight.
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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr​rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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hugs

is that a good grrr or a grumpy grr?
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iiiiiiitts a Gamekeepers Grrrrr

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THAT sort of grr


hope you are well:)


May i just say, Thank you so very very much for vouchsafe for me

I think, by colectively and with delight


giving the pale blue rope a collective "tug"


served as a gentle yet subtle reminder to us all, of teh frailty of life, seolf esteem and dignity, against the barrage of orchestrated fools

a Dance in time madam, if i may

hf
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of course my darling FS....always up for a dance, now and in time.

twirl
 Quoting: ~Lumminessa~

Lovely :)





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