GLP, i need some advice regarding possible theft. *updated aug 9* | |
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SoulWinner
User ID: 72304560 United States 08/06/2016 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife worked in healthcare in U.S. She always advises contacting a patient representative, the people who monitor quality of care. Their goal is highest possible satisfaction. If you're suspicious, I'm willing to bet they're stealing meds. It might be a pattern that's already under investigation, and your alerting the patient rep would add to their case. Hope you find fast resolution and your Dad gets the care and respect he deserves. ...Loving souls, starving trolls... |
Dace
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70462659 United States 08/06/2016 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | two question you should ask yourself before accusing one of his "nurses"...how does your father react while on the medication..could he be taking more than you think or he remembers?(this might not be just from lack of memory, pain might so bad he wants more meds, but doesn't want to let others know hes taking them),..next question is basically the same, any mental deterioration from age or disease... |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 01:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry Op, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71106721 You ought to report it to whomever is sending the helpers out. That is a shitty, and predatory thing for them to do. At least tell someone that narcs are missing for your Dad's pain. thank you :) i think my mom wants to wait for the time being to see if anything happens again, because she doesnt want to jump the gun. we dont know for sure if any meds are missing, since we dont keep track of how many pills he has at any given time - we've never had to worry about it before. we just suspect there could be theft, because its suspicious that its always his container of narcotics, and only his narcotics, that ends up in the wrong spot. i personally was thinking of talking to the head pharmacist at the drug store where we get our meds. just so that i've talked to someone outside of the household. i just think its so stupid though...i mean, if you're stealing someones pills, why would you always leave the container somewhere thats separate from the other meds? wouldnt that make it seem really obvious? if we do have anything else happen, we will absolutely be reporting it to the agency that sends the PSWs. i think it would be a good idea to also press charges. but thats not really up to me, it will be up to my parents. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife worked in healthcare in U.S. She always advises contacting a patient representative, the people who monitor quality of care. Their goal is highest possible satisfaction. Quoting: SoulWinner If you're suspicious, I'm willing to bet they're stealing meds. It might be a pattern that's already under investigation, and your alerting the patient rep would add to their case. Hope you find fast resolution and your Dad gets the care and respect he deserves. ok, i know exactly who that person would be. i will look into that, thank you. i was thinking about that, too. setting up a camera somewhere that points to where his meds are kept in the room. are they expensive? and are the laws the same or similar for the USA and Canada? two question you should ask yourself before accusing one of his "nurses"...how does your father react while on the medication..could he be taking more than you think or he remembers?(this might not be just from lack of memory, pain might so bad he wants more meds, but doesn't want to let others know hes taking them),..next question is basically the same, any mental deterioration from age or disease... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70462659 nothing has changed with my dad. he knows how many pills to take, since he's been on these same dosages for years. my mom and i, or other people are often right there with him when he takes his meds, and i also get get his pills for him sometimes. and theres no mental deterioration or anything like that. and i know what he'd be like if he took an extra pill. when he was in the hospital after his surgery, one of the nurses accidentally gave him 2 narcotic pills instead of one, and he was so drowsy and groggy that day. we'd know if he was taking more than the regular dose. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72734932 United States 08/06/2016 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good grief. You are naive buddy They are stealing the meds to sell it Depending on what it is the pills sell from 30 to 50 on the street Go to a pharmacist and get a plastic box with dates on it and put the pills where the girls do not have access Notify their company immediately that you suspect they were stealing meds Happens all the time Leave out only that days meds. And get a nanny cam and tell the girls and their company they are on video That sit will stop. You hVe to have a spine in this world. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69788710 United States 08/06/2016 01:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | two question you should ask yourself before accusing one of his "nurses"...how does your father react while on the medication..could he be taking more than you think or he remembers?(this might not be just from lack of memory, pain might so bad he wants more meds, but doesn't want to let others know hes taking them),..next question is basically the same, any mental deterioration from age or disease... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70462659 The workers are most likely stealing them for personal use or to sell. Oxycodone is valuable and most of these workers steal. I know many people in rest homes and stuff is always missing. |
Dace
User ID: 17531086 Puerto Rico 08/06/2016 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife worked in healthcare in U.S. She always advises contacting a patient representative, the people who monitor quality of care. Their goal is highest possible satisfaction. Quoting: SoulWinner If you're suspicious, I'm willing to bet they're stealing meds. It might be a pattern that's already under investigation, and your alerting the patient rep would add to their case. Hope you find fast resolution and your Dad gets the care and respect he deserves. ok, i know exactly who that person would be. i will look into that, thank you. i was thinking about that, too. setting up a camera somewhere that points to where his meds are kept in the room. are they expensive? and are the laws the same or similar for the USA and Canada? Not sure about Canadian laws...and they're not that expensive. All I know is they can't have audio here for legal use because it falls under some 'wiretapping' and privacy laws...at least in most states. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good grief. You are naive buddy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72734932 They are stealing the meds to sell it Depending on what it is the pills sell from 30 to 50 on the street Go to a pharmacist and get a plastic box with dates on it and put the pills where the girls do not have access Notify their company immediately that you suspect they were stealing meds Happens all the time Leave out only that days meds. And get a nanny cam and tell the girls and their company they are on video That sit will stop. You hVe to have a spine in this world. i would like to think im not terribly naive...i do think its very likely an issue of theft. i wanted to start calling people and talking to people immediately with my suspicions, but my mom wants to wait and see if anything else happens. i think she's hoping that if the thief notices that the pills are no longer out and visible, that they'll know we've started to suspect something, and hidden them. if his pills dont go missing again, and are in the spot where they should be, then clearly there was an issue. and if that happens, i'll be talking to someone at the agency, for sure. i think that the camera wouldn't be a bad idea at all. we've had 5 new girls coming to the house in the last 6 weeks. i think its an entirely reasonable precaution. do you know where we can get one, and how much they cost? do you think i could find one on like, amazon or something? |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | two question you should ask yourself before accusing one of his "nurses"...how does your father react while on the medication..could he be taking more than you think or he remembers?(this might not be just from lack of memory, pain might so bad he wants more meds, but doesn't want to let others know hes taking them),..next question is basically the same, any mental deterioration from age or disease... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70462659 The workers are most likely stealing them for personal use or to sell. Oxycodone is valuable and most of these workers steal. I know many people in rest homes and stuff is always missing. when i told my mom tonight about my suspicions, she started thinking about things a bit more. she said that one of the girls who comes here has some back issues, and she's heard another girl mention her husband, or boyfriends pain issues. she also said that sometimes in the morning, the first thing they say to my dad, is "have you taken your pills this morning", instead of "hey good morning, hows it going?". so once i mentioned what i'd noticed with the missing pill container, she started thinking of things they've said/done that could also be a bit suspect. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife worked in healthcare in U.S. She always advises contacting a patient representative, the people who monitor quality of care. Their goal is highest possible satisfaction. Quoting: SoulWinner If you're suspicious, I'm willing to bet they're stealing meds. It might be a pattern that's already under investigation, and your alerting the patient rep would add to their case. Hope you find fast resolution and your Dad gets the care and respect he deserves. ok, i know exactly who that person would be. i will look into that, thank you. i was thinking about that, too. setting up a camera somewhere that points to where his meds are kept in the room. are they expensive? and are the laws the same or similar for the USA and Canada? Not sure about Canadian laws...and they're not that expensive. All I know is they can't have audio here for legal use because it falls under some 'wiretapping' and privacy laws...at least in most states. ok, thank you :) i will look into cams, and the legal stuff involved with recording people in your home. |
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Canadian_Lady
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AkashicRecord®
User ID: 68401748 United States 08/06/2016 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey i just wanted to bump this to see if the daytime crowd had any other thoughts, advice, suggestions, etc. thank you! Quoting: Canadian_Lady I'm state-certified to administer controlled medications (you have to have a license and test for it). It's pretty obvious that workers are stealing those medications. That's one of the biggest reasons we (people like me) have to document everything, and it's all audited by the state, etc... Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69627740 United Arab Emirates 08/06/2016 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I learned this while my mom was dying...it is VERY common! For workers and even family members to steal pain med's & leave the patient in agony. #1 priority is to see they are going to the patient as needed! Take them home with ou every night if needed...do whatever you have to do to see more are not stolen. If anybody questions you about it...question them as to why they are questioning you! If you have the time afterwards...report it. But the TOP TOP priority is the comfort of the patient!!! |
Kraut
User ID: 67499957 United States 08/06/2016 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I learned this while my mom was dying...it is VERY common! For workers and even family members to steal pain med's & leave the patient in agony. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69627740 #1 priority is to see they are going to the patient as needed! Take them home with ou every night if needed...do whatever you have to do to see more are not stolen. If anybody questions you about it...question them as to why they are questioning you! If you have the time afterwards...report it. But the TOP TOP priority is the comfort of the patient!!! This. Not just medication, although that is the most worrying. They would take household cleaning things, food, whatever. We had to keep the medication locked up or off of the premises. When she died I think the guy that the coroner sent out helped himself to morphine patches. He was going crazy looking for "the prescriptions" so he could dispose of them. He got upset when we told him we often didn't keep them there because of drug thieves. My friends dad was in an exclusive nursing facility for decades. She had to lock up his personal supplies like wipes and lotions. It's a sad world. Never forsake a Kraut for the sake of forsaking a Kraut |
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Exemplar
User ID: 72148103 United States 08/06/2016 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | know, I have been there. People in the medical field are not immune to addiction. In fact, what better place to get free meds than from older sick people? Addicts like I used to be will ask to use your bathroom for the only purpose of rummaging through your medicine cabinet! Forget hiding, a experienced addict can smell them! Video tape them, get them fired or they will be coming back after hours. Last Edited by Exemplar on 08/06/2016 04:14 PM |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Report them!....they are more concerned about their comfort than your dad's. So sorry to hear about your dad too, that's a kind of pain no one should ever have to live through. Hope he feels better soon. If you do report them, don't worry dad about this. Stress will only hinder his healing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72360356 thank you :) his healing is going well. and i think that reporting at least the suspicion to someone would be a good idea. i mean, i cant say i know for sure that they've stolen anything, but we have some concerns, so i think it would be best to tell someone about that. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey i just wanted to bump this to see if the daytime crowd had any other thoughts, advice, suggestions, etc. thank you! Quoting: Canadian_Lady I'm state-certified to administer controlled medications (you have to have a license and test for it). It's pretty obvious that workers are stealing those medications. That's one of the biggest reasons we (people like me) have to document everything, and it's all audited by the state, etc... thank you :) and yea, in the hospital, they have to scan his wristband every time he's given medications, so i know how controlled these meds are. at home, though, he just takes his pills on his own, so they're not locked up or anything. i may find a way to do that from now on, though. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I learned this while my mom was dying...it is VERY common! For workers and even family members to steal pain med's & leave the patient in agony. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69627740 #1 priority is to see they are going to the patient as needed! Take them home with ou every night if needed...do whatever you have to do to see more are not stolen. If anybody questions you about it...question them as to why they are questioning you! If you have the time afterwards...report it. But the TOP TOP priority is the comfort of the patient!!! thats a good piece of advice, right there. thank you. thats not something i had thought of. this whole situation is just frustrating and stressful, because we've never had something happen with his meds before now, and we've had nurses and PSWs coming to the house daily for years and years. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I learned this while my mom was dying...it is VERY common! For workers and even family members to steal pain med's & leave the patient in agony. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69627740 #1 priority is to see they are going to the patient as needed! Take them home with ou every night if needed...do whatever you have to do to see more are not stolen. If anybody questions you about it...question them as to why they are questioning you! If you have the time afterwards...report it. But the TOP TOP priority is the comfort of the patient!!! This. Not just medication, although that is the most worrying. They would take household cleaning things, food, whatever. We had to keep the medication locked up or off of the premises. When she died I think the guy that the coroner sent out helped himself to morphine patches. He was going crazy looking for "the prescriptions" so he could dispose of them. He got upset when we told him we often didn't keep them there because of drug thieves. My friends dad was in an exclusive nursing facility for decades. She had to lock up his personal supplies like wipes and lotions. It's a sad world. we've been ok with everything else. supplies, and other medications dont seem to go missing. its just this one container of pills that seems to wander off. but im thinking of finding a way to lock it up somewhere. thats a good bit of advice to consider, too - if they seem to get concerned or angry or frustrated that the medications arent where they usually are, or are in much smaller quantities than they usually are. |
Canadian_Lady
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Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is a powerful addiction.......I Quoting: Exemplar know, I have been there. People in the medical field are not immune to addiction. In fact, what better place to get free meds than from older sick people? Addicts like I used to be will ask to use your bathroom for the only purpose of rummaging through your medicine cabinet! Forget hiding, a experienced addict can smell them! Video tape them, get them fired or they will be coming back after hours. i had some concerns about them coming to the house when no one is there. there's almost always someone here, but there are times when i go out with my parents. one day a few weeks ago, one of the workers was at the house an hour early. i was wondering why anyone would be there, and i wondered if someone might be trying to rob our house. i had read in the news about some daytime robberies occurring in our city. but it was one of the workers. she had made a mistake and thought it was the time she was supposed to be there, but it was actually an hour earlier. i was thinking about that incident last night, and that seemed a bit odd to me too. we're definitely taking more precautions now. |
Nikola Tesla
User ID: 72541860 United States 08/06/2016 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry Op, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71106721 You ought to report it to whomever is sending the helpers out. That is a shitty, and predatory thing for them to do. At least tell someone that narcs are missing for your Dad's pain. ^^ that is right. Report the problem immediately. "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14671460 United States 08/06/2016 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here's a backstory - my father is a paraplegic. he takes pain medication daily to deal with the pain in his back, and his muscle spasms. one of his pain pills, is a narcotic. he recently had surgery, and has had PSWs (personal support workers) coming to the house a few times a day. we have 2 here at a time to help him with transferring in and out of bed, since he cant sit up in his chair for more than a few hours at a time until he's healed. Quoting: Canadian_Lady my dad keeps all his medications that he needs while in bed, in separate containers, and all the containers are in a plastic dish. tonight, again, his pill container that has his narcotic in it, was not with the other pills. this is at least the 3rd time its happened. there have been other occasions lately that these particular pills have not been where they're supposed to be. i've even told my dad to make sure the girls arent losing those pills in the room somewhere, since he needs them, and will have issues without them. they're the kind of med that you can only get so many pills for so many days. tonight, it clicked to me (and i admit, it took longer than it should've for me to make this connection), that its a bit suspicious that its always the container of narcotics that seems to be going astray. tonight, they were less than 2 feet away from the spot where his other pills were sitting. so why the hell werent those ones in the dish with the rest of his meds? we're concerned that one of the PSWs might be taking some of his pills. we decided to hide all the pills from view, with the exception of the pill bottle that he keeps near the bed. that container will have no more than a few pills in it, enough for 1 day. we counted the number of pills in the other containers before hiding them. the girls that have been coming to the house lately, are all pretty new. we havent had this issue before now, because we only had 1 PSW coming per day, in the morning to get him up, and its always the same girl during the week, and 1 other girl that comes on the weekends. so i do think its possible that one of these new girls is taking pills. my question is, what exactly do we do now? we've counted, hid things, made a log of the date, the people who were here today, etc. do we just wait for the time being and see what happens? should we tell anyone that we're a bit suspicious, or wait until something else happens? i just dont know what to do, or where to go from here, because this just isnt something we've had to deal with before. thank you for your help :) Tell you what you should do. Keep that bottle of pills in your pocket when any worker is there. If he needs one have them come and get you. Then YOU take the pill bottle over to your father and give him the pill and put the bottle back in your pocket until the workers are gone. You will never be missing another pill again. But I agree in reporting it to the agency sending the workers out and maybe to the police. Have YOU done a background check on the workers? |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry Op, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71106721 You ought to report it to whomever is sending the helpers out. That is a shitty, and predatory thing for them to do. At least tell someone that narcs are missing for your Dad's pain. ^^ that is right. Report the problem immediately. i wanted to, but since we dont know anything for sure and just have some concerns, my parents dont want to say anything to anyone yet. |
Canadian_Lady
(OP) User ID: 72542476 Canada 08/06/2016 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here's a backstory - my father is a paraplegic. he takes pain medication daily to deal with the pain in his back, and his muscle spasms. one of his pain pills, is a narcotic. he recently had surgery, and has had PSWs (personal support workers) coming to the house a few times a day. we have 2 here at a time to help him with transferring in and out of bed, since he cant sit up in his chair for more than a few hours at a time until he's healed. Quoting: Canadian_Lady my dad keeps all his medications that he needs while in bed, in separate containers, and all the containers are in a plastic dish. tonight, again, his pill container that has his narcotic in it, was not with the other pills. this is at least the 3rd time its happened. there have been other occasions lately that these particular pills have not been where they're supposed to be. i've even told my dad to make sure the girls arent losing those pills in the room somewhere, since he needs them, and will have issues without them. they're the kind of med that you can only get so many pills for so many days. tonight, it clicked to me (and i admit, it took longer than it should've for me to make this connection), that its a bit suspicious that its always the container of narcotics that seems to be going astray. tonight, they were less than 2 feet away from the spot where his other pills were sitting. so why the hell werent those ones in the dish with the rest of his meds? we're concerned that one of the PSWs might be taking some of his pills. we decided to hide all the pills from view, with the exception of the pill bottle that he keeps near the bed. that container will have no more than a few pills in it, enough for 1 day. we counted the number of pills in the other containers before hiding them. the girls that have been coming to the house lately, are all pretty new. we havent had this issue before now, because we only had 1 PSW coming per day, in the morning to get him up, and its always the same girl during the week, and 1 other girl that comes on the weekends. so i do think its possible that one of these new girls is taking pills. my question is, what exactly do we do now? we've counted, hid things, made a log of the date, the people who were here today, etc. do we just wait for the time being and see what happens? should we tell anyone that we're a bit suspicious, or wait until something else happens? i just dont know what to do, or where to go from here, because this just isnt something we've had to deal with before. thank you for your help :) Tell you what you should do. Keep that bottle of pills in your pocket when any worker is there. If he needs one have them come and get you. Then YOU take the pill bottle over to your father and give him the pill and put the bottle back in your pocket until the workers are gone. You will never be missing another pill again. But I agree in reporting it to the agency sending the workers out and maybe to the police. Have YOU done a background check on the workers? no, we've never done any sort of personal background checks. the agency that sends them out would've done that, though. we've never had any issues before, so we've never had any reason to take all these precautions. and for the time being, we're leaving just a few pills out where the workers can see them. that was my idea - i want to know for sure if things are going missing. i check throughout the day to see how many pills are in his little container. and i keep track of how many he's taking (earlier today, i counted out and gave him his dose). if the container happens to have anything missing, i'll know. and i'll report it immediately. i also will report it if the container is suddenly in the right spot all the time, and never missing. because that would be suspect too - that would mean that out of nowhere these people who previously misplaced his pills several times just magically got their shit together and never screwed up again. which is rather unlikely. |