IS IT TIME FOR A THIRD-PARTY?

After the DNC is over and Hillary is the dem nominee, I expect this party will get started!

Donald Trump dumps the Constitution

"Donald Trump's blind ambition and gigantic ego may be appreciated by a small cohort of Americans, but we wonder if his disregard and disrespect of the U.S. Constitution and/or lack of knowledge of that document appeals to them also."


[link to thehill.com]

It's a good time to start working on it, but not for this election. It's too late in the game and there is too much at stake. We have to keep Hillary out at all costs or you will have NO Constitution to save.

You may not think that Trump is for the Constitution as much as you would like, but I have heard him talk about the Constitution many times, and his policies are more in line with the Constitution than Hillary or any of her ilk.

The Constitution was compromised a long time ago, and a lot needs to be done to bring things back in line with it. That is not going to happen over night or through one president.

Past time. I haven't voted for a Repub I was excited about and have cast more presidential votes with a queasy stomach.

A respectable number of independents in Congress would cut through the deadlock too.

It is over for the Trump/Hillary, as veterans will not violate their oath and vote either. It is the 'Moral Majority' that are now waking in America and will take back what they stole over a century ago, our Constitution!

Trump has won a small group over with hatred. We see that it is the muslim extremist that is causing issues in America. But by putting our Constitution back to work we can close borders.

Donald Trump, Enemy of the Constitution
Trump has trashed free speech, religious liberty, property rights, and limits on executive power.
[link to reason.com]

Remember it is the 'moral majority' and veterans that make up Americas voter base. Not the WWF assholes that want to preach hate and my candidate is better than yours.

Trump will be 'trumped' this election, because people will vote their conscience. Bank on it!



Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 07/26/2016 12:58 PM

It's long past time.

Yes it is!

I was hoping it was Ron Paul that would have brought us out of this mess. But TPTB did not want to give up their criminal organization and the republican party screwed us.
Now they have lost the majority of their party and the disenfranchised are looking for safe harbor in a party with true Constitutional values.
Soon, the republican party will be nothing but a bad memory.

I believe God is behind this movement, as it truly is a David and Goliath moment in American history!



Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 07/26/2016 01:05 PM

We've had third, fourth and umpteenth parties since forever. They come out of the woodwork every 4 years like they really have any shot at the big prize. To gain credibility and form a working organization they need to run candidates for dog catcher, city council, and state office. Once they are getting elected to lesser offices on a regular basis, people will take them seriously for national office.

Trust me, people are taking this seriously!
The 'powers that be' went to far and did not offer a viable candidate, that is what makes the difference this time around.

Trumps stance on pro-big-government, pro-life, 2nd Amendment, Agenda 21, Religious Freedom, universal health care, etc. are going to sink his ship.

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Needless to say, no one is looking at criminal Clinton.

Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 07/26/2016 01:24 PM

it's time to heed george washington's words and have no political parties at all; they're not needed and are an evil influence.

No one is stopping anyone from running or voting third party. You're just the minority in the voting process and therefore irrelevant. Go ahead and waste your vote though.

No , the time to right the ship is over. War is in the air. Get your arms up!

It's really to only way for HC to win right?

other than diebold

OP you characterize TRUMP's common sense approach to the muzz problem as religious discrimination?

These 'folks' have sort of failed the non harm test of acceptable religions. Like the snake charmers of the Ozarks, their brand of faith is not allowed nor covered by the First Amendment, the RFRA and the other treaties and laws governing the State's relationship with religious claimants. It has been settled by SCOTUS. The harm caused by the adherants' advocacy of emulation of mohammed's style; chopping heads, hands, clits, stonings, drownings, etc are all forbidden by our laws.

Or were you referring to some one else?

This ^^^^^^

Personally I take pride in not hitching my wagon to either party or their schizophrenic platforms. I don’t mean to sound like a Vulcan, but we really do need to disburden ourselves from all of this emotion and actually treat problems with a hefty dose of critical thinking with both the short and long term in mind. So many people are making political choices because it makes them feel good or look good to others. How’s that working out?

Last Edited by Setheory on 07/26/2016 03:37 PM

I can agree with that!

You don't seem to get that the R and D are about to become the minority.

I am guessing you didn't read the article.
Typical.

Polls are rising.
That is a telling!
America is done with the two-party system!



It looks like Libertarian Gary Johnson is getting the numbers to debate Trump/Hillary ...
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2016 - The year of the THIRD-PARTY!

Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 07/26/2016 04:02 PM

What a crock o shit...Trump is not the enemy of the Constitution.

As far as third parties...

I have been a registered, card carrying Libertarian since the early 2000's...could not vote for a second Bush term. I have voted for Libertarians in ever race from local to federal if there was one on the ticket. Partly just as a protest voter but also because the "libertarian" (small "L") ideology is closest to my own.

I voted for Gary in 2012 cause I will never vote for a democrat and I refused to vote for Romney.

This time around I am not happy with the shit that is spewing out of Gary Johnson's mouth.

I can get on board with fiscal responsibility and social freedom. I do not care who or what you marry or what you put in or take out of your body. I believe you should be as free as you want to be as long as your freedom doesn't infringe upon or inhibit the freedoms of another. But I refuse to accept the open borders clause...a rational, safe and secure country must control immigration or you end up with incoming hoards tat bring crime, chaos and anarchy.

But...the bottom line this time is the Hag must not be allowed the big chair...no matter what.

Gary is not strong enough or well known enough to be the "fix" this time around...maybe next time.

Last Edited by Manosteel on 07/26/2016 04:09 PM

His VP pick was Trumps undoing for me. I will not vote 'globalist'.

Johnsons poll numbers, dramatically, going up is telling to me. I am not a Libertarian, I am Constitution Party, and I know we have had in influx in membership/interest in the last few weeks.

It appears that there are about 40MM voters up for grabs. It is going to be interesting for sure!

Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 07/26/2016 04:42 PM

Third party only makes sense if we pass Instant-Runoff Voting.

Let's say you're a Democrat. You prefer Bernie, and absolutely despise Hillary,

If Bernie ran Independent, you might consider voting for him...but fear your doing so might not only waste your vote, it just might give the White House to Hillary.

God-forbid.

This leaves you with the dilemma of considering Trump.

While you like Trump's alleged anti-establishment platform, people he's met with - like Kissinger, and alliances he's pledged to - like Zionists in Israel, really concern you. On top of this, you are definitely not feeling Pence as his VP choice. As next-in-line for POTUS, he almost stinks as bad as Hillary.

If we had Instant-Runoff voting, you could at least vote for Bernie as your first choice, and should Bernie not have enough to win...your vote -rather than be wasted- would then go to your second choice, Trump.

This would probably put Trump over Hillary, making your vote still count to a large degree, by keeping Hillary out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

It would also TELL THE WORLD just how many people chose Bernie First...and, just maybe, actually give Bernie the win, because no longer would people vote solely to keep someone OUT OF the White House.

If a third party runs without having this choice, the winner only needs 34% of the popular vote to win.

We also need to get rid of the Electoral College. Had we not had them in 2000, Gore would have been inaugurated, and 9-11 might never have happened, nor Afghanistan, nor Iraq, nor the Patriot Act, Homeland Security...and ultimately ISIS.

something like that


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Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 07/26/2016 04:41 PM

I'm sorry but you do not speak for all veterans.

Many of us are voting for Trump.

We cannot sit by idelly if it means Hillary.

What part of HILLARY CLINTON BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE IF YOU DO NOT VOTE HER THE FK OUT is so damn hard for people like you?!

Fk me, man. You anti-trump people are actually worse than the idiots on the left, because you fkg KNOW better than this!

Gary Johnson is for Open Borders.

If his numbers are rising it's because pot heads on the sanders team are turning to him not because he's worth his weight in American values.

Just fkg vote for Hillary already and get the fk over with!

You really think Al Gore wouldn't have done the exact same thing that those really in charge wanted?!

AL Gore is a fkg liar and a con man JUST LIKE BILL CLINTON and MITT ROMNEY!

I never intended to, just the ones that I know that will honor their oath to protect our Constitution.
Having a globalist as the VP is concerning, to many of us.

Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 07/26/2016 05:06 PM

COnstitution party, Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz???


Barf

this will happen when civil war II: the civilling happens .....

With 3 parties or more, less people will be able to control the majority.

need 50% for 2

33% for 3

25% for 4 less than this some crazy shit going to happen.

It would take more then a 3rd party. Why do I say this because the people are propagandized by there media outlets for there information on who to vote for. A 3rd party candidate would barely see the light of day on any major news outlet. Therefor the candidate would not be heard and no American would think to vote for them. You would need to set up an independent news outlet that would be used to get people informed as well. Then you have to get the people listening. Bill tells it best, skip in about 31 minutes and listen to at least 6 minutes of it.

That is the point, as our founding fathers NEVER wanted a two-party system. They realized that it would become corrupt, as ours has.

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution. ~John Adams

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume. ~George Washington