How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated) | |
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Truthst013
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MaybeTrollingU
User ID: 72354797 Brazil 07/23/2016 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your avatar is the answer. To deal with people still not ready for the truth, we have to wear masks and play characters. Little by little showing bits of the truth, with some time you can show a bigger picture. Than you retreat, wait for them to understand it. If they do understand, then you go forward, otherwise, start it over again from the beggining, from a different angle. Its frustrating most of the times and very tiresome depends on your power of will to keep on doing it. I for one, regarding brazilians, I gave up long ago. They are way too stupid to understand even the littlt bits. Good luck! |
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Cigarette_Smoking_Man
User ID: 28549068 United States 07/23/2016 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your co-workers sound more engaged and awake than you! Open up and engage with them gezz. "Only a man suffering from a severe case of dignity atrophy would even entertain the thought of financing, housing, and raising some other man's orgasm." |
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KipKat
User ID: 72389407 Netherlands 07/23/2016 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just answer their questions. I love to see their dumbfounded look on their faces. Got three colleges to open their mind a little bit and to question everything. Last Edited by KipKat on 07/23/2016 02:32 PM :kkwapper: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58831009 United States 07/23/2016 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :) "I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate." That's just what liberals want you to think so they quiet their opposition. You're allowed to discuss anything as long as you're not forcing it on others and anyone who gets upset is to childish for the conversation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46742044 United Kingdom 07/23/2016 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46742044 i keep my opinions to myself self preservation is the name of the game now complete dissociation i do throw the odd comment in though, like this morning, when they were all discussing that german muzzturd yesterday, and I simply said 'the mosques are gonna burn soon', which was met by nods of agreement, which surprised me to be honest |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72186740 United States 07/23/2016 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :) "I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate." unless your a politician or vicar Good point |
Truthst013
(OP) User ID: 72532677 United States 07/23/2016 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your avatar is the answer. To deal with people still not ready for the truth, we have to wear masks and play characters. Little by little showing bits of the truth, with some time you can show a bigger picture. Than you retreat, wait for them to understand it. If they do understand, then you go forward, otherwise, start it over again from the beggining, from a different angle. Its frustrating most of the times and very tiresome depends on your power of will to keep on doing it. I for one, regarding brazilians, I gave up long ago. They are way too stupid to understand even the little bits. Good luck! Quoting: MaybeTrollingU As a general rule that is exactly my tactic. I share small pieces and if they show interest I might share a little more. Most of the time that works but with the elections and mass shootings going on it's getting harder to avoid conversations. In my most recent case this was a co-worker I really like and have to work with VERY closely every day insisting I give opinions about political candidates, 911, terrorism, and other topics and getting upset at me for not wanting to talk about her. For example, when Newt mentions 19 terrorists hijaking airliners and changing the world forever she wants me to comment. If I avoid it she gets angry. "It's not like it didn't happen! What do you think about it?" But I can't get into that with her. To her the world is very black and white so my response should be yes or no I agree with this or that statement and it's simple. The fact that I'm dodging it makes her suspcious. I try to tell her it's far more complex and she again seems hurt like I'm saying she's too stupid to figure it out. It's as if I have to now educate her (or whomever) on topics that have literally BOOKS written to deal with the subject matter. |
Truthst013
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58831009 United States 07/23/2016 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think you might be surprised what others think. I work with some pretty conservative people and they seem to believe anything is possible now. I'd start with known events like operation northwoods, bay of pigs, the making of Osama bin laden, discuss that then work into the JFK assassination and 911. |
DeadManWalkin'
User ID: 70815628 United States 07/23/2016 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I basically just say "I don't like any of them,they're all in it for the money & power." Say it with a sardonic smile or a slow head shake. Never vary your statement if pushed to make a statement. Like children, use the exact same response *every.single.time* and they eventually stop pestering. It works for every age person, I promise. Never vary your response, never elaborate, never change your tone of voice. Nobody can say you're being rude or evasive if you do this. It's guaranteed to work. -.. . .- -.. / -- .- -. / .-- .- .-.. -.- .. -. --. Omnes vulnerant, ultima necat |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72186740 United States 07/23/2016 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :) "I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate." That's just what liberals want you to think so they quiet their opposition. You're allowed to discuss anything as long as you're not forcing it on others and anyone who gets upset is to childish for the conversation. WTF are you talking about? Have you ever worked in a professional setting before? Badgering people with your political views has led to at least one termination that I know of at my last job. Politics and religion don't belong in most workplaces. It's not relevant to the job. |
Light worker 666
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Truthst013
(OP) User ID: 72532677 United States 07/23/2016 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I basically just say "I don't like any of them,they're all in it for the money & power." Quoting: DeadManWalkin' Say it with a sardonic smile or a slow head shake. Never vary your statement if pushed to make a statement. Like children, use the exact same response *every.single.time* and they eventually stop pestering. It works for every age person, I promise. Never vary your response, never elaborate, never change your tone of voice. Nobody can say you're being rude or evasive if you do this. It's guaranteed to work. One of the best pieces of advice so far. I agree that if you are consistent with your answer and give them nothing new they will eventually give up trying. My problem is, like was suggested in an earlier post, is sometimes I try to share a little bit and see if they can talk about the subject rationally without getting all freaked out. Maybe the better course of action (at least for co-workers) is leave it at, "I don't discuss those things at work". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58831009 United States 07/23/2016 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Truthst013 So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :) "I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate." That's just what liberals want you to think so they quiet their opposition. You're allowed to discuss anything as long as you're not forcing it on others and anyone who gets upset is to childish for the conversation. WTF are you talking about? Have you ever worked in a professional setting before? Badgering people with your political views has led to at least one termination that I know of at my last job. Politics and religion don't belong in most workplaces. It's not relevant to the job. Badgering is exactly what I said you can't do. I'm talking about logical discussion with facts. Termination would be discrimination, but I'm sure it has happened. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72630773 Canada 07/23/2016 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a waste of time, just keep it short, simple and generic. Nobody has time for a 3 hours expose during a coffee break. People will actually listen to you if they think you are smarter than them... and there's not many ways to prove that. Beat them fair in a competitive setting and you might end up having a few followers. How do you fit in your work environnement? do you outperform everyone or you're just average? get it? why would anyone listen to an average guy? People listen to winners, that's it. Some are real winners some are just good at looking like winners, aka BSers... |
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Debauchery
User ID: 71870886 United States 07/23/2016 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I used to fire them. Seriously though, I kept my relationships at work very casual. I didn't speak with people about such things and I didn't stick around to hear their bullshit and if they tried to push it they were told to shut up. Walk away. And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71183814 United States 07/23/2016 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have actually figured this out. Step 1- Know the person you are talking to. Are they a Hilary supporter? An amateur pilot? Pro vax? Step 2- Engage them in said topic. Not in a conspiracy manner. Step 3- In the NEXT convo on the topic drop a small innocuous conspiracy STATEMENT at them. For example ie Hilary supporter, I still can't believe they haven't found that missing 6 billion; amateur pilot, I still can't believe how many ufos pilots claim to see, like 30%; pro vax, I've read that thermisol is really bad what with the lead in it, even if the vax is overall effective. It must be a statement based in 100% fact and you should not pursue it, even if they want to, unless they go ALL in GLP full tard. You may want to do this step more than once and varied. Step 4- On the same topic in a different convo render a question, that you already know the weird answer to. For example, Hilary supporter, did you hear about the wikileaks dump of clinton emails? Amateur pilot, did you hear about all those pilots over clarks field calling in that weird light last week? Pro-vaxer, did you hear they pulled all of the second gen HPV vax last year? Let them pursue the info and feign ignorance to the details. You may wantbtodo this step more than once also. Varied as well. Sometimes it's good to throw a known hoax in and call it that, shows you are objective bout the topic and can call a spade a spade. Step 5- When and if this works (70% of the time for me) they will approach you about one of the questions. Still don't go all in. Engage lightly and open up the topic a bit. Start talking the DNC dump (real) or norway spiral (real event, but actually a busted missile) or autism rates among first world countries with vaxs vs third world without (general statistical match, but no direct study). This may be repeated a few times as well. Building a trust bridge of weirdness is the key. Step 6- Eventually they'll go all in on you and then you've won. Remember, some things are just taboo in some places at some times. 9/11 in the US especially around 9/11, etc. And remember the original topic must be of interest to them. Also you just can't talk to some people about some thing. This takes time, but frequently works for me. I've created a few conspiracy tards in my time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72630773 Canada 07/23/2016 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | btw the foundation of conspiracy is history. Do your coworkers know a lot about history? A lot of conspiracies have been documented and proven right with history... so its the base, it was happening then and its happening now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70940335 United Kingdom 07/23/2016 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have actually figured this out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71183814 Step 1- Know the person you are talking to. Are they a Hilary supporter? An amateur pilot? Pro vax? Step 2- Engage them in said topic. Not in a conspiracy manner. Step 3- In the NEXT convo on the topic drop a small innocuous conspiracy STATEMENT at them. For example ie Hilary supporter, I still can't believe they haven't found that missing 6 billion; amateur pilot, I still can't believe how many ufos pilots claim to see, like 30%; pro vax, I've read that thermisol is really bad what with the lead in it, even if the vax is overall effective. It must be a statement based in 100% fact and you should not pursue it, even if they want to, unless they go ALL in GLP full tard. You may want to do this step more than once and varied. Step 4- On the same topic in a different convo render a question, that you already know the weird answer to. For example, Hilary supporter, did you hear about the wikileaks dump of clinton emails? Amateur pilot, did you hear about all those pilots over clarks field calling in that weird light last week? Pro-vaxer, did you hear they pulled all of the second gen HPV vax last year? Let them pursue the info and feign ignorance to the details. You may wantbtodo this step more than once also. Varied as well. Sometimes it's good to throw a known hoax in and call it that, shows you are objective bout the topic and can call a spade a spade. Step 5- When and if this works (70% of the time for me) they will approach you about one of the questions. Still don't go all in. Engage lightly and open up the topic a bit. Start talking the DNC dump (real) or norway spiral (real event, but actually a busted missile) or autism rates among first world countries with vaxs vs third world without (general statistical match, but no direct study). This may be repeated a few times as well. Building a trust bridge of weirdness is the key. Step 6- Eventually they'll go all in on you and then you've won. Remember, some things are just taboo in some places at some times. 9/11 in the US especially around 9/11, etc. And remember the original topic must be of interest to them. Also you just can't talk to some people about some thing. This takes time, but frequently works for me. I've created a few conspiracy tards in my time. you have nailed it . |
SewDucky
User ID: 69073456 United States 07/23/2016 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If asked, I just tell people I haven't made my mind up yet because I am still listening to all their policies. If that doesn't actually stop them, then I just generically say both say things I agree and disagree with and leave it at that. Religion is trickier, but typically I say I am quite fond of Buddha, Ganesh, Mother Earth and Jesus. After the look of confusion, I reply I just want to hedge my bets and not piss anyone off when I die. |