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How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)

 
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How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
I'm trying to get some honest tips and tricks on how to deal with casual acquaintances and co-workers who insist on asking me to comment on politics or world news. I consider myself a nice guy and I do my best not to talk to anyone but VERY close friends (or total stranger) about my personal beliefs on religion, world news and especially politics because my views are so unpopular and I don't want to upset them and cause problems in our working relationship. Out of courtesy to them I don't push my religious or political views on them but I'm not offered the same courtesy in return.

With today's headlines being so sensational (mass shootings, etc) and with the elections going on my co-workers keep insisting I tell them what I think about things in the news. For example, I told a co-worker for years I'm not interested in politics AT ALL and yet she insisted I listen to Newt Gingrich give a speech for a few minutes because she thinks I REALLY need to hear it and wants my thoughts. I didn't want to upset her because I share an office with her so I did. Then someone came in and heard me listening to Newt and gives me a big thumbs up and says "GO TRUMP!". Now he assumes I'm a republican and I could give a shit about either party (no offense).

I politely try to tell my co-workers that I don't really talk about those things and then they appear to get mad at me like I don't respect them enough to share my opinions with them and it seems to damage our possibility of having a deeper friendship because now they don't think I care enough about them to open up about my real feelings. But if I DID share my opinions with them they would be offended and treat me differently because I'd have to say things like, "I think people who think it actually makes a difference who gets elected are missing the big picture" and then they will assume I just called them stupid.


This is a serious question so I reserve the right to remove troll posts or people just trying to be an ass. I'm honestly looking to see if anyone has this same sort of dilemma at work and what words you use to diffuse someone trying to insist you share your thoughts on controversial topics.

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i know your pain hf
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i know your pain hf
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So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
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Your avatar is the answer. To deal with people still not ready for the truth, we have to wear masks and play characters. Little by little showing bits of the truth, with some time you can show a bigger picture. Than you retreat, wait for them to understand it. If they do understand, then you go forward, otherwise, start it over again from the beggining, from a different angle. Its frustrating most of the times and very tiresome depends on your power of will to keep on doing it. I for one, regarding brazilians, I gave up long ago. They are way too stupid to understand even the littlt bits. Good luck!
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i know your pain hf
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So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
 Quoting: Truthst013


"I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate."
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i tell it like i see it .if they dont like it they can fuck off .i cant be doing with suffering fools .
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
Make very general or universal comments like, "they're all con-artists, all of them are corrupt.'
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Your co-workers sound more engaged and awake than you!

Open up and engage with them gezz.
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i know your pain hf
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So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
 Quoting: Truthst013


"I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate."
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unless your a politician or vicar
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I just answer their questions. I love to see their dumbfounded look on their faces. Got three colleges to open their mind a little bit and to question everything.

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i dont

i keep my opinions to myself

self preservation is the name of the game now

complete dissociation
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i dont

i keep my opinions to myself

self preservation is the name of the game now

complete dissociation
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yes, you are right i think
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i know your pain hf
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So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
 Quoting: Truthst013


"I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate."
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That's just what liberals want you to think so they quiet their opposition. You're allowed to discuss anything as long as you're not forcing it on others and anyone who gets upset is to childish for the conversation.
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i dont

i keep my opinions to myself

self preservation is the name of the game now

complete dissociation
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i do throw the odd comment in though, like this morning, when they were all discussing that german muzzturd yesterday, and I simply said 'the mosques are gonna burn soon', which was met by nods of agreement, which surprised me to be honest
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i know your pain hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70940335


So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
 Quoting: Truthst013


"I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72186740

unless your a politician or vicar
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rimshot

Good point tounge
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
Your avatar is the answer. To deal with people still not ready for the truth, we have to wear masks and play characters. Little by little showing bits of the truth, with some time you can show a bigger picture. Than you retreat, wait for them to understand it. If they do understand, then you go forward, otherwise, start it over again from the beggining, from a different angle. Its frustrating most of the times and very tiresome depends on your power of will to keep on doing it. I for one, regarding brazilians, I gave up long ago. They are way too stupid to understand even the little bits. Good luck!
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As a general rule that is exactly my tactic. I share small pieces and if they show interest I might share a little more. Most of the time that works but with the elections and mass shootings going on it's getting harder to avoid conversations.

In my most recent case this was a co-worker I really like and have to work with VERY closely every day insisting I give opinions about political candidates, 911, terrorism, and other topics and getting upset at me for not wanting to talk about her. For example, when Newt mentions 19 terrorists hijaking airliners and changing the world forever she wants me to comment. If I avoid it she gets angry. "It's not like it didn't happen! What do you think about it?" But I can't get into that with her. To her the world is very black and white so my response should be yes or no I agree with this or that statement and it's simple. The fact that I'm dodging it makes her suspcious. I try to tell her it's far more complex and she again seems hurt like I'm saying she's too stupid to figure it out. It's as if I have to now educate her (or whomever) on topics that have literally BOOKS written to deal with the subject matter.
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Make very general or universal comments like, "they're all con-artists, all of them are corrupt.'
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Thanks. I do that as well. Oddly enough, that doesn't seem to make them stop insisting I tell them who I'm voting for. LOL
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I think you might be surprised what others think. I work with some pretty conservative people and they seem to believe anything is possible now. I'd start with known events like operation northwoods, bay of pigs, the making of Osama bin laden, discuss that then work into the JFK assassination and 911.
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
I basically just say "I don't like any of them,they're all in it for the money & power."

Say it with a sardonic smile or a slow head shake. Never vary your statement if pushed to make a statement.

Like children, use the exact same response *every.single.time* and they eventually stop pestering.

It works for every age person, I promise.

Never vary your response, never elaborate, never change your tone of voice.

Nobody can say you're being rude or evasive if you do this.

It's guaranteed to work.
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So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
 Quoting: Truthst013


"I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72186740


That's just what liberals want you to think so they quiet their opposition. You're allowed to discuss anything as long as you're not forcing it on others and anyone who gets upset is to childish for the conversation.
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WTF are you talking about? Have you ever worked in a professional setting before? Badgering people with your political views has led to at least one termination that I know of at my last job. Politics and religion don't belong in most workplaces. It's not relevant to the job.
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If I put up with hearing their constant bullshit all day they are going to hear mine. Idgaf.
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
I basically just say "I don't like any of them,they're all in it for the money & power."

Say it with a sardonic smile or a slow head shake. Never vary your statement if pushed to make a statement.

Like children, use the exact same response *every.single.time* and they eventually stop pestering.

It works for every age person, I promise.

Never vary your response, never elaborate, never change your tone of voice.

Nobody can say you're being rude or evasive if you do this.

It's guaranteed to work.
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One of the best pieces of advice so far. I agree that if you are consistent with your answer and give them nothing new they will eventually give up trying. My problem is, like was suggested in an earlier post, is sometimes I try to share a little bit and see if they can talk about the subject rationally without getting all freaked out. Maybe the better course of action (at least for co-workers) is leave it at, "I don't discuss those things at work".
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So do you have any magic words that seems to get people to politely mind their own business without getting pissed off at you for it? :)
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"I don't talk about politics or religion at work. It is inappropriate."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72186740


That's just what liberals want you to think so they quiet their opposition. You're allowed to discuss anything as long as you're not forcing it on others and anyone who gets upset is to childish for the conversation.
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WTF are you talking about? Have you ever worked in a professional setting before? Badgering people with your political views has led to at least one termination that I know of at my last job. Politics and religion don't belong in most workplaces. It's not relevant to the job.
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Badgering is exactly what I said you can't do. I'm talking about logical discussion with facts. Termination would be discrimination, but I'm sure it has happened.
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You could also use it to set others moods by initiating conversations on good or bad topics within those political views.
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
It's a waste of time, just keep it short, simple and generic.
Nobody has time for a 3 hours expose during a coffee break.

People will actually listen to you if they think you are smarter than them... and there's not many ways to prove that. Beat them fair in a competitive setting and you might end up having a few followers.

How do you fit in your work environnement? do you outperform everyone or you're just average? get it? why would anyone listen to an average guy?

People listen to winners, that's it. Some are real winners some are just good at looking like winners, aka BSers...
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I tell it like it is . Only a couple think I am batshit crazy but most of them after I try to explain different topics start to see what I am talking about. When we have breaks and lunch the conversations usually end up being about how corrupt the government is.
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I used to fire them.

Seriously though, I kept my relationships at work very casual. I didn't speak with people about such things and I didn't stick around to hear their bullshit and if they tried to push it they were told to shut up.

Walk away.
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I have actually figured this out.

Step 1- Know the person you are talking to. Are they a Hilary supporter? An amateur pilot? Pro vax?

Step 2- Engage them in said topic. Not in a conspiracy manner.

Step 3- In the NEXT convo on the topic drop a small innocuous conspiracy STATEMENT at them. For example ie Hilary supporter, I still can't believe they haven't found that missing 6 billion; amateur pilot, I still can't believe how many ufos pilots claim to see, like 30%; pro vax, I've read that thermisol is really bad what with the lead in it, even if the vax is overall effective. It must be a statement based in 100% fact and you should not pursue it, even if they want to, unless they go ALL in GLP full tard. You may want to do this step more than once and varied.

Step 4- On the same topic in a different convo render a question, that you already know the weird answer to. For example, Hilary supporter, did you hear about the wikileaks dump of clinton emails? Amateur pilot, did you hear about all those pilots over clarks field calling in that weird light last week? Pro-vaxer, did you hear they pulled all of the second gen HPV vax last year? Let them pursue the info and feign ignorance to the details. You may wantbtodo this step more than once also. Varied as well. Sometimes it's good to throw a known hoax in and call it that, shows you are objective bout the topic and can call a spade a spade.

Step 5- When and if this works (70% of the time for me) they will approach you about one of the questions. Still don't go all in. Engage lightly and open up the topic a bit. Start talking the DNC dump (real) or norway spiral (real event, but actually a busted missile) or autism rates among first world countries with vaxs vs third world without (general statistical match, but no direct study). This may be repeated a few times as well. Building a trust bridge of weirdness is the key.

Step 6- Eventually they'll go all in on you and then you've won.


Remember, some things are just taboo in some places at some times. 9/11 in the US especially around 9/11, etc. And remember the original topic must be of interest to them. Also you just can't talk to some people about some thing. This takes time, but frequently works for me. I've created a few conspiracy tards in my time.
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
btw the foundation of conspiracy is history.
Do your coworkers know a lot about history?
A lot of conspiracies have been documented and proven right with history... so its the base, it was happening then and its happening now.
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I have actually figured this out.

Step 1- Know the person you are talking to. Are they a Hilary supporter? An amateur pilot? Pro vax?

Step 2- Engage them in said topic. Not in a conspiracy manner.

Step 3- In the NEXT convo on the topic drop a small innocuous conspiracy STATEMENT at them. For example ie Hilary supporter, I still can't believe they haven't found that missing 6 billion; amateur pilot, I still can't believe how many ufos pilots claim to see, like 30%; pro vax, I've read that thermisol is really bad what with the lead in it, even if the vax is overall effective. It must be a statement based in 100% fact and you should not pursue it, even if they want to, unless they go ALL in GLP full tard. You may want to do this step more than once and varied.

Step 4- On the same topic in a different convo render a question, that you already know the weird answer to. For example, Hilary supporter, did you hear about the wikileaks dump of clinton emails? Amateur pilot, did you hear about all those pilots over clarks field calling in that weird light last week? Pro-vaxer, did you hear they pulled all of the second gen HPV vax last year? Let them pursue the info and feign ignorance to the details. You may wantbtodo this step more than once also. Varied as well. Sometimes it's good to throw a known hoax in and call it that, shows you are objective bout the topic and can call a spade a spade.

Step 5- When and if this works (70% of the time for me) they will approach you about one of the questions. Still don't go all in. Engage lightly and open up the topic a bit. Start talking the DNC dump (real) or norway spiral (real event, but actually a busted missile) or autism rates among first world countries with vaxs vs third world without (general statistical match, but no direct study). This may be repeated a few times as well. Building a trust bridge of weirdness is the key.

Step 6- Eventually they'll go all in on you and then you've won.


Remember, some things are just taboo in some places at some times. 9/11 in the US especially around 9/11, etc. And remember the original topic must be of interest to them. Also you just can't talk to some people about some thing. This takes time, but frequently works for me. I've created a few conspiracy tards in my time.
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you have nailed it .bump
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Re: How do YOU talk to your co-workers who don't believe in conspiracies? (moderated)
If asked, I just tell people I haven't made my mind up yet because I am still listening to all their policies. If that doesn't actually stop them, then I just generically say both say things I agree and disagree with and leave it at that.

Religion is trickier, but typically I say I am quite fond of Buddha, Ganesh, Mother Earth and Jesus. After the look of confusion, I reply I just want to hedge my bets and not piss anyone off when I die.





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