PULSE NIGHTCLUB SHOOTING FAKE: BARS IN ORLANDO CLOSE AT 2AM!!!! WHY WOULD MATEEN STORM AT 2 AM A CLOSED OR CLOSING BAR???

Someone seems to think I'm an "apologist for Islam"...which I wish he or she would sign so we could have a discussion. HOWEVER.....I absolutely hate Islam. I think it's Satanic. I think Mohammed WAS the anti-Christ. I don't advocate allowing Muslims into ANY Western country. I don't think they bring anything positive wherever they go. I wish we could convert them to something else....ANYTHING else.

That said...I'm not going to falsely blame Muslims for things I don't think they did. I'm not going to lie about them. And I don't want to tolerate lies from our country...OR OTHER COUNTRIES AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE....that may be designed to make us hate Muslims, but end up DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY and DESTROYING OUR CONSTITUTION. Our Constitution is sacred to me, as is the truth. And I won't give up either for any reason, and I'll fight for both. And you bastards aren't getting our guns and using fake events, with or without Muslims as an excuse.

Nobody will come forward. I'm sure they signed contracts, got a boatload of money, and it furthered their own personal gun control agenda. Plus, if I was one of them I sure as heck wouldn't risk outing this whole thing, they might shut someone up for real!!!

Everything you mentioned are all red flags, absolutely! And we will NEVER get full transcripts. Now this is just my gut instinct but I don't think there were any real victims. After staying up way too late last night looking for more evidence (this whole debacle is really bothering me), I read where someone put forth the theory that all the "victims" (at least the dead ones) moved into the town many months or even a year ago to establish themselves and become known by a lot of people, I'm guessing with fake names. My thought - heck, it might've been their part-time job to go to Pulse every weekend and make as many friends as possible from there, esp regulars. Then once the event goes down, they are quickly whisked back to their previous lives (plus lots of money), so the people they made friends with truly believe they died. I wish we could dig up a grave of one of the "victims" because I'm betting they don't contain dead bodies! Please don't do this though, it's illegal and I am not advocating illegal activity!

At this point, I've seen/read so much info I feel like I need to make up a document to list all the discrepancies that point to this being a complete hoax. I would never be able to share this info with my friends, they'd think I'd lost my mind, although my mom is really open-minded and she's in her early 70s (shocking I know).

Really great post, Chick, thanks so much!!!! Lot of great comments in here. One of the things you say that's so excellent is how many of the "victims" moved in fairly recently and got to know people and now they're one....THAT HAPPENED IN SANDY HOOK TOO!!!! So that's another similarity, another pattern. It shows these events are usually long term plans. Maybe not always, some may be on the fly, but they're like sleeper cells, waiting to be activated when the "need" arises.

I think of it as an enormous Impossible Missions Force, after the TV show and the movies, where they go from place to place performing operations that usually involve a lot of technology and deception.

It IS really hard to discuss this with people because most people just function on the surface of events and go with what they're told. They don't investigate things like we do, or look at details. THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS! Once you start investigating the details, you realize that these events cannot possibly be as they're presented to us, even if there are "real" victims - which there might be.

My husband has been seeing enough of this by now that even he, and he is VERY non-conspiracy minded, has started realizing how much we're lied to. He thinks Orlando is fake too and even a year ago I don't think he would ever have considered that.

So....we're making an impact. Especially as they grow sloppier. This was a very sloppy operation with a lot of loose ends. Maybe they just don't care anymore because they think we're just not looking. But a lot of us are.

Best post I've read in 2 weeks!

Mehitable, you speak for me on this thread. As we agree on every other thread as well.

Just cuz you speak truth and refuse to blame Islam doesn't mean you're FOR Islam.

And fuck all these TRAITOROU$ PAID $ELL-OUT $HILL$ on here..

Now THAT...is...EVIDENCE!!!! Real EVIDENCE! Thank you so much for posting this video, AC, this shows what REALLY happens when you shoot a bullet into one of these helmets. MORE LIES EXPOSED!

Great job folks, you are outstanding!

That was me who pointed it out. If anything the lights should have turned on and last call be announced. You don't wait till 2am and call last call....The staff want to leave and party themselves. At most, 40 people should've been hanging around, not 100 plus....in fact, I bet they normally call last call at 1:30 am on Saturday's regardless of special events such as the one they were holding.

Thank you so much, AC, you don't know how much your words mean to me. I've been under a LOT of attack lately since I've been posting these Orlando threads and posts about this false flag. It is so good and reassuring to see proud and decent people like you who stand up for the truth. You give me hope, thank you!!!! Americans don't need to lie - we just need to tell the truth and God will do the rest!

Were you the first poster who pointed that out? We owe you a real debt of gratitude as you pointed out such an important fact that's led people to realize a lot of other things as well. I wish we could do something for you, AC, but you'll always have green in our hearts. Your observation was CLUTCH!

WTH?

Obama has tried with every group he can think of to gain support for a gun ban.
Fakeass Sandy Hook all the way to Orlando.

It really IS an impressive video, isn't it? What the hell are they getting on a bus for and who are these people?

Everybody, the full interview with Coroner Jos-hua Step-hany
is being scrubbed from the net. Anyone have it or find it> Not the 2:37 version but the whole interview?

Thanks so much for pointing that out. I never did see that. You might check Peekay Truth's site on You Tube, he has a lot of videos on Orlando (and other events). He might have it.

If anyone else has it, can you post it here? Thanks!

We go to Orlando every year to visit family.
My sister in law lives a short walk from this night club and she said it wasn't a come in shoot and leave situation. It lasted well past 5:00am.

This has been confirmed by the Orlando PD, they were told to stand down and wait for SWAT. The question is by whom. The answer is by our fed gov. But other than underground media, that isn't being made public.

You see, the shooters father has diplomatic immunity. Something no one in the media is talking about or will admit.
Not to mention, he was running for president of Afghanistan and has visited the white house several times prior to this shooting.

I'll also let you wonder why Obama was in Florida prior to this event...

As for bars closing at 2:00am, I know of several bars in Orlando that stay open past that time. But I do not know the hours on this one...however, if the shooter was in the bar a bit before 2 am and the action did not end until after 5am due to government intervention...it makes sense.

Are you saying that a wealthy connected muslim and his accomplices did not commit this act and obama is merely pretending to be mad at Americans for being angry at the DOJ for defending Islamic terrorists?


I'm seriously trying to understand your thread.

Its the full interview video, where he talks about the autopsy was only he and the shooter behind closed doors and he personally did the procedure with no one else present.

gay guys thereto do one thing hook up with other gay guys everone got buzz by 2 am easy target are you really that beautiful beautiful or is it jus my fantasy.

So what time did your SIL say it went on until?

I'm saying that we don't know what the truth is and that we're being lied to repeatedly about this (and other) events. Mateen may be a perp, and...he might not be. How would we KNOW? We just know what we're told and we CAN'T BELIEVE THEM. We don't know what happened here, or who, if anyone, was killed. Maybe some were, maybe some weren't.

I created the thread to explore the specific issue of why would he be shooting up a bar at CLOSING TIME, which IS 2 am. That doesn't make sense as a real terrorist would pick a time when the place would be really packed and going - probably 1-3 hours earlier. It's a red flag. There are MANY MANY MANY red flags about this event.

Personally I don't believe Mateen attacked this club at 2 am closing, with heavy weaponry and a suicide vest, and held somewhere (according to media) between 250-300+ club goers in there and shot 40% of them (103x250 = 40% or so). I don't believe that they all then ran into the bathrooms instead of the other exits, which are clearly revealed in blueprints of the club. Which is why they had to make up the lie that one of the doors was being held CLOSED by a Luis Burbano - who admitted it! I don't believe that Mateen was shooting up the bar, calling 911, calling the media, and posting to Facebook at this time. Nor do I believe that none of these healthy young men would have attacked him. I don't believe that there are NO CELL PHONE videos, pics, or audios of this event in a club where every person has a cell phone. I'm told that in between his calls and posting, Mateen confiscated the cell phones of a couple of hundred or more people. HAH! Except for those few texts to Mummy or whatever lamenting their fates AND revealing TIME STAMPS of anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half BEFORE the 2:00 start!

I don't believe that the police waited for 3 fucking hours to raid this place when they knew there was one guy inside, or even if they thought there were two - what's all their armor and artillery for???? They should have charged in the entrance, instead they supposed spend precious time blowing holes in the back wall! A tactic I have NEVER heard before and which is ludicrous.

Then we look at all the videos of people carrying "victims" who don't appear wounded out of the club and AWAY from emergency personnel. We have very telling video of when they think they're past the camera and they put down the "victim" and start dancing and laughing around. We see almost no ambulances in an area with a hospital a half mile away. Instead we see a "victim" being dumped into a pick up truck that looks like it was rigged to look like an emergency vehicle.

I do not believe the FBI would release such a redacted transcript of Mateen's alleged calls....because I don't think there WERE any calls. And I also wonder about Mateen's "wife" whom the FBI has lost and no one seems to care.

We could also talk about the Howell event in LA that no one is paying attention to and the significance of that as well BUT...

I could go on and on and on, but this is goddam fake, almost everything about it is fake. I'm not saying there were not actual dead victims - I DON'T KNOW. But I KNOW that what is presented to us is NOT REAL.

The purpose of this and threads like it is INVESTIGATION AND RESEARCH. We find out whatever we can and as you can see, people are very clever and thorough.

I do recommend that people go and look at Peekay Truth's videos on YT as they're excellent and he has a lot of them and he's very thorough. He could be annoying to some people, he swears a lot, but the amount of research he's done on this and other events is very impressive and as they say....a pic is worth a thousand words. He also investigates some of the alleged victims like Angel Colon, whose injuries do not appear to be "real".

I did hear about that, but dammit, I didn't watch it. Of course, what he's saying is unheard of and ridiculous. Hopefully someone can find the video - thanks for bringing it up!

She said there was still cops on site, blocking traffic until she went to work at 7:00am.

She told me that she wasn't sure why the media was making it sound like it happened really fast at 2:00am, when they didn't get the guy until after 5:00am. And even then they were still weeding through mess. She also told us that there were rumors that there was more than one shooter, but then later the news said it was only one guy. She thought that was strange.

She isn't a conspiracy person. She is one of those that trusts the government (I love her, but she's kind of an idiot when it comes to politics). So for her to tell us that she found all of this strange, (what the media was reporting), is what made me take notice. Even she was not fooled by the 'lone' gun man theory they tried to push.

Personally, I feel that Obama's true agenda is being exposed. He was busy scrubbing any reference to 'allah' and other jihadi words, but that all backfired on his lying butt.

Maybe it went down wrong, or maybe the terrorists don't give a damn about hiding anymore.

In any case, the truth is going to keep coming out, evil can't keep squatting in the White House.

Orlando was a hoax, and probably the biggest fail I have ever seen. The elite are getting lazy for sure.

they usually stop...30-15mins before thee hour of 2am strikes

stage your own event ..... hire a crisis actor

[link to crisiscast.com]

I agree with that, I think it was a big fail too, very sloppily done. Even people who normally buy these ridiculous stories, are not buying this one. I've seen that personally - people are asking, well, why this, or why that? They're afraid to say much publicly - they say it to me because I'm the kind of person you can say pretty much anything to - but they're not buying it. I think they've gone to the well with these events one too many times.

Bars in Fla do close at 2 is true , but many , many stay open and are after hours bars just can't buy liquor , Hope this clears it up for you

On 12/29/12, President Obama signed HR 4310, the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act. Section 1078 (thomas.loc. gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.4310:) of the bill authorizes the use of propaganda inside the US, which had previously been banned since 1948 when the Smith-Mundt Act was passed.
GOP's Mac Thornberry from Texas and Adam Smith Democrat from Washington state drafted that bill, both are paid off by the Military/security industrial complex.

The media was also reclassified as "entertainment". By doing so they can now lie to us about anything and everything and get away with it.

They keep staging these false-flag hoaxes and fake-shootings in order to try and manipulate people through their emotions in order to sway public opinion for their political agendas.

Lies need money and Propaganda to be successful. Looks like they are doing a good job of fooling the fools.

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Yes indeed, The Media Can Legally Lie

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

[link to projectcensored.org]

Could also be referred to as the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act.

Ms. Adams,

If this was fake, wouldn't it have benefited the current administration to have made the shooter a white christian male?

The fact that they tried to hide the identity of this guy and after finding out that this guys daddy is in fact not a good guy...should tell us all that this went down wrong.

I'm not sure if there is something else that you are trying to say...but if, like you claim this was fake, why did they make the guy a muslim?

Is there something I am missing? Are Obama and his Iranian partner Jarret on the side of white Christians now?

Maybe, I'm the tardy one here, but I feel that God is exposing the evil that is on our soil and means us serious harm.

Obama and his agenda are not the good guys.

Nope, fraid not. A terrorist would not attack a bar at closing time even if some folks were left. That doesn't make any fucking sense. He's packed with artillery and carrying a suicide vest (allegedly). He'd go in when the place was fully packed, lights were down and there were the most people.

It's like the bullshit of 9/11 that the terrorists attacked these business towers at 8:45 am. 8:45 am??????????? Why wouldn't you wait until the late morning or mid afternoon to strike when you could take out TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MORE PEOPLE????? at 8:45 am people were still on the way to work, or late....IT MAKES NO SENSE and it's NOT what a real terrorist would do. It's what you do when you want to have the LOWEST body count you can manage. That's a false flag.

Same here. Even if there were people there at 2 am....a terrorist wouldn't attack then. He would attack much earlier when the club was fully packed and in full swing with music and lights down....it would be chaos, esp with a suicide vest he could have killed damn never everyone in that small palce.

You have to think like a perp. They don't do shit like that, they want a maximum kill.