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Serious question from a Scottish lass about American gun control?

 
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There is a major difference in the relationships between the government and its people for Americans and the rest of the World, especially the Europeans. The Europeans have a 2,000 year history of doing whatever their rulers (usually kings or queens) tell them to do and in return, the rulers send off troops to foreign lands to murder and plunder and send the booty back to the homeland as reward for serves rendered. The people bow down and worship their monarchs in return.

America, once a victim of such oppression, had the nerve to stand up and overcome the tyranny of such oppression, (you know like your own William Wallace once tried), and were successful. The ensuing new nation, realizing that without the ability of the population to stand up and say NO, government will eventually return to the monarchy model (as the US government has been doing lately here) and will attempt to enslave the population once again. Arming the citizenry was the only way that those brave men who stood up against the tyrannical monarch that oppressed us was the only tool that an informed public could have to assure that in the future, any attempts to return to the feudal system could be averted.

No, Americans do not need machine guns, they only guarantee that you will run out of ammunition quickly, but they need to be armed sufficiently to deal with what is coming at them. Disarming the USA will not stop any crime, not even death by firearms, but it will certainly result in our cities turning into what London has become today. How's that working out for you guys over there anyway? Why do you still bow down to that Satanic Vampiress of Evil?
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Excellent post.

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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: Serious question from a Scottish lass about American gun control?
Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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this is why...

US Murders by Weapon Type
Year 2014-12-31
Total Murders 11,961
Total by Firearms 8124
Handguns 5562 68%
Rifles 248 3%
Shotguns 262
Other guns 93
Firearms, type not stated 1959
Knives 1567
Blunt objects 435
Personal 660
Poison 7
Explosives 6
Fire 71
Narcotics 62
Drowning 14
Strangulation 89
Asphyxiation 96
Other Weapons or Weapons not Stated 830


[link to www.quandl.com (secure)]

also Violence in America is almost always drug related.
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OP, no one has a machine gun, unless they bought it on the black market. Tbey were outlawed by Congress in q934 after Al Capone and his henchmen gunned down so many people in gzng warfare that has been part of Chicago's culture from the beginning.
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
 Quoting: quietly_seeing_peace


The solution to better gun control is more responsible people owning a packing guns.
Discourage attackers.

Or kill them quickly.

Remember. After assault rifles there are semi auto rifles and handguns.
Then knives.
Then cars.
Them IED's.

At some point blame bad guys.
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You couldn't be more wrong. The Monarchy in Britain is our equivalent of your 2nd amendment. The Queen doesn't involve herself with the political running of the country, but she can intervene if she wants to. In Britain, our Satanic Vampiress is the EU and by proxy of the Stockholm syndrome, the British government.

Why do you still bow down to that Satanic Vampiress of Evil?
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The second amendment exists to enable the population to defend itself against tyrannical government. The people need weapons comparable to the threats they might encounter.
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Scottish are too stubborn to understand.

Sorry but that a fact.

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Many are ok with an assault weapons ban, but others think it's a slippery slope.
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America's founders gave us the Second Amendment
in our Bill of Rights, without which there
wouldn't even BE a United States of America,
because it took the Bill of Rights to get the
Constitution ratified,

they gave us that right, NOT to hunt down and kill
Bambi, or to protect ourselves from burglars,
but in case

WE EVER HAD TO DO, WHAT THEY JUST DID,

which is go to war against a TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT
that ruled over them.

READ the founders writings.
They make NO BONES about what they meant.
They wanted AN ARMED POPULATION,
not only armed but WELL ARMED!

As well-armed as any soldier in the field.
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
 Quoting: quietly_seeing_peace

Rather than a simple question how about a simple answer?



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Shooting guns is fun.

and just to be clear, (and you have already been told this) an AR is not a Machine gun.

A machine gun is one where you hold the trigger down and it continuously fires until empty.
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He did not have an assault weapon. You cannot buy assault weapons in this country. He had a semi automatic rifle.
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I understand someone from another country not understanding but when I hear people on TV saying machine gun it's laughable. Can you buy/own a full auto machine gun? Yes. Are they expensive as hell? Yes. Here in Ohio the only people I know that own them are doctors who are gun collectors. People aren't running around with $40,000 true full auto machine guns. The police have them though!
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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First off, you can't purchase a fully automatic weapon in America unless you have a certain license that cost many thousands of dollars and has a ridiculously stringent application process. So nobody but dealers owns fully automatic weapons.
That means, most people own semi-automatic weapons, which means you have to squeeze the trigger once for every round fired. Much like a revolver used in the old west days.

The main difference is the appearance of the weapons. Semi-automatic weapon look exactly like fully automatic weapons. And they semi-automatic weapons typically hold more rounds per clip than a revolver.

And to the main point, No law abiding citizen owns weapons for evil intent. We own them because we are fearful of the future and what may come our way someday that is beyond the control of our government. They are an uncashed insurance policy and every law abiding citizen, wants them to stay uncashed. In the event that society collapses or portions of it do, say during a natural catastrophe, and we have no help from our government, we at least have some way to defend our loved ones from the evil in this world.
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I'm not OK with any of the current legislation without amendment that infringes on any aspect of arms - the second amendment was written to ensure the militia aka all able bodied citizens have military grade or better arms for times just like these. Our founding fathers had arms *superior* to those carried by the King's army and we should also.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you folks not understand? There are no exceptions in the second amendment..no preclusions for anyone that the State considers dangerous or ill. Period. The People should not fear the government, the government should fear the People!

The Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial branches have no authority over the Constitution - the States must ratify any amendment that is contrary to the supreme law of the land. Period.

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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
 Quoting: quietly_seeing_peace


Would you like to be told what size car to drive?
'Sorry, no kids so you only need a small car with two seats'
'Sorry, but you have no need for 600hp...the speed limit is 80'.
'Sorry, but you are not allowed to buy a four wheel drive ATV because you live in the city'.

Get what Im saying? In a true democracy you are allowed to buy whatever the fuck you like if you have the money.
The government is comprised of ordinary people.
They are not our gods...
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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Would you like to be told what size car to drive?
'Sorry, no kids so you only need a small car with two seats'
'Sorry, but you have no need for 600hp...the speed limit is 80'.
'Sorry, but you are not allowed to buy a four wheel drive ATV because you live in the city'.

Get what Im saying? In a true democracy you are allowed to buy whatever the fuck you like if you have the money.
The government is comprised of ordinary people.
They are not our gods...
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While I agree with you, we have the God given *right* to arms, we are *allowed* nothing in this respect...if you're allowed by the government to own something that means you had no right.
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It's always funny to read about the hate vs the ar-15 when really, its at the bottom of the calibers chart... All hunting rifles are more dangerous than AR-15.

Also, all countries allow citizens to have semi-auto rifles. Some limit magazine capacity to 5, 10, etc...

Handguns are the main difference here. USA must be the only country who allow citizens to carry handguns around town.

Logically they will go after your handguns 1st with something like we have in Canada. Like allow handguns fire only at gun range and frankly its a turn down for handguns owners... you cant even shot them in the wild so whats the point of having a gun you cant use outside the range. Here handguns are more like toys you go play with on your day off.
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Bow to your queen slaves!
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You couldn't be more wrong. The Monarchy in Britain is our equivalent of your 2nd amendment. The Queen doesn't involve herself with the political running of the country, but she can intervene if she wants to. In Britain, our Satanic Vampiress is the EU and by proxy of the Stockholm syndrome, the British government.

Why do you still bow down to that Satanic Vampiress of Evil?
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It would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn pathetic!
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They are semi-auto not full auto.no compromise!
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You couldn't be more wrong. The Monarchy in Britain is our equivalent of your 2nd amendment. The Queen doesn't involve herself with the political running of the country, but she can intervene if she wants to. In Britain, our Satanic Vampiress is the EU and by proxy of the Stockholm syndrome, the British government.

Why do you still bow down to that Satanic Vampiress of Evil?
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It would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn pathetic!
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Indeed, it is a good thing that I read this on an empty stomach. However, if this is really true then I would think that the British are ok with their system and we should be ok with ours and they should stop trying to interfere with our system because frankly, I could care less what they do over there, it is here where my concerns lie.
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Re: Serious question from a Scottish lass about American gun control?
You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away, slaughtered those who would not comply, and subjugated the rest?


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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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Learn the history of your own island dumbass.

Edward I invades Scotland: A History of Scotland.

"...When the town had been taken in this way and its citizens had submitted, Edward spared no one, whatever the age or sex, and for two days streams of blood flowed from the bodies of the slain, for in his tyrannous rage he ordered 7,500 souls of both sexes to be massacred...So that mills could be turned round by the flow of their blood.'

Account of the Massacre of Berwick, from Bower's Scotichronicon

Marching north, Edward crushed the Scots army at Dunbar before penetrating into the scottish heartland, north of the Forth. King John Balliol was forced to surrender and was humiliated at Stracathro Churchyard. There he was stripped of the crown, his insignia ripped from his coat (giving him the nickname 'toom tabard', meaning empty coat), before he and much of the Scots nobility were imprisoned in England. However, for Edward 'Longshanks', conquest and ritual humiliation were not enough.

He set about stripping Scotland of its lodestones of identity, just as he had done to the Welsh in 1282. The Stone of Destiny, on which the Scottish Kings were inaugurated, the crown, and one of the Scots' holiest relics, the Black Rood of St Margaret (believed to be a piece of the True Cross), were all taken south. His aim was nothing less than the destruction of the Scots nation and its total incorporation into his kingdom. As he left Scotland, Edward was reported to remark – 'A man does good work when he rids himself of shit.'
..." more here [link to www.bbc.co.uk]


"...Scotland Conquered, 1174-1296
On 10 July 1296 Edward forced Balliol to surrender Scotland and the homage of all its people..." more here [link to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk]

"... In the 1290's Edward I of England conquered Scotland which led to the struggle under William Wallace clearly depicted in the film "Brave Heart". Later Robert the Bruce continued the fight eventually gaining Scotland its freedom. The Stirling area has lots to see on Scotland's Wars of Independence in the 13th century.

The Declaration of Arbroath in April 1320 stated "For as long as one hundred of us shall remain alive we shall never in wise consent to submit to the rule of the English, for it is not for glory we fight, for riches, or for honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man loses but with his life." This was the first time in history where freedom is mentioned, not in terms of an individual's freedom, but that of a nation..." more here [link to www.explorescotland.net]

"...
1296 Edward I of England - the 'Hammer of the Scots' - invades and deposes Scotland's King John. William Wallace, of Braveheart fame, defeats the English forces at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.


Wallace ruled Scotland as Guardian of the Realm - but in 1305 fell into the hands of the English and was executed for treason.

1314 The Hammer's son, Edward II, attempts to break the siege of Stirling Castle and reassert control. He is defeated by Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn - securing de facto independence for Scotland. Scottish losses number between 400 and 4,000, while the English lose 700 cavalry and between 4,000 and 11,000 infantry. Many are slaughtered by locals as they try to flee south to England

The first Parliament of Scotland meets in 1326 and in 1328 Edward III signs the Treaty of Northampton, recognising Scottish independence. He invades the following year..." more here [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Back a couple of years ago when Scotland held a vote for independence, I was so hopeful. I was flying The Bonnie Blue and proudly displaying my tartan and Clan Gunn crest. The no vote was a horribly embarrassing reminder of just how much of Scotland's independent soul the English have bred out of them. Thank God my kinsmen made it here to the land of the free and the home of the brave. We have certainly fallen greatly from our founding, but there are still those of us here that know our history and stand ready to defend it.
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Thank you for proving you are an absolute and total idiot fuckwitt who, just as I said, has no idea whatsoever how Great Britain came to be.

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I swear, fucking yankee doodles with their Mel Gibson Braveheart are worse than the plastic Paddies that paint themselves green once a year.

 
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You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away, slaughtered those who would not comply, and subjugated the rest?


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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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Learn the history of your own island dumbass.

Edward I invades Scotland: A History of Scotland.

"...When the town had been taken in this way and its citizens had submitted, Edward spared no one, whatever the age or sex, and for two days streams of blood flowed from the bodies of the slain, for in his tyrannous rage he ordered 7,500 souls of both sexes to be massacred...So that mills could be turned round by the flow of their blood.'

Account of the Massacre of Berwick, from Bower's Scotichronicon

Marching north, Edward crushed the Scots army at Dunbar before penetrating into the scottish heartland, north of the Forth. King John Balliol was forced to surrender and was humiliated at Stracathro Churchyard. There he was stripped of the crown, his insignia ripped from his coat (giving him the nickname 'toom tabard', meaning empty coat), before he and much of the Scots nobility were imprisoned in England. However, for Edward 'Longshanks', conquest and ritual humiliation were not enough.

He set about stripping Scotland of its lodestones of identity, just as he had done to the Welsh in 1282. The Stone of Destiny, on which the Scottish Kings were inaugurated, the crown, and one of the Scots' holiest relics, the Black Rood of St Margaret (believed to be a piece of the True Cross), were all taken south. His aim was nothing less than the destruction of the Scots nation and its total incorporation into his kingdom. As he left Scotland, Edward was reported to remark – 'A man does good work when he rids himself of shit.'
..." more here [link to www.bbc.co.uk]


"...Scotland Conquered, 1174-1296
On 10 July 1296 Edward forced Balliol to surrender Scotland and the homage of all its people..." more here [link to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk]

"... In the 1290's Edward I of England conquered Scotland which led to the struggle under William Wallace clearly depicted in the film "Brave Heart". Later Robert the Bruce continued the fight eventually gaining Scotland its freedom. The Stirling area has lots to see on Scotland's Wars of Independence in the 13th century.

The Declaration of Arbroath in April 1320 stated "For as long as one hundred of us shall remain alive we shall never in wise consent to submit to the rule of the English, for it is not for glory we fight, for riches, or for honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man loses but with his life." This was the first time in history where freedom is mentioned, not in terms of an individual's freedom, but that of a nation..." more here [link to www.explorescotland.net]

"...
1296 Edward I of England - the 'Hammer of the Scots' - invades and deposes Scotland's King John. William Wallace, of Braveheart fame, defeats the English forces at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.


Wallace ruled Scotland as Guardian of the Realm - but in 1305 fell into the hands of the English and was executed for treason.

1314 The Hammer's son, Edward II, attempts to break the siege of Stirling Castle and reassert control. He is defeated by Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn - securing de facto independence for Scotland. Scottish losses number between 400 and 4,000, while the English lose 700 cavalry and between 4,000 and 11,000 infantry. Many are slaughtered by locals as they try to flee south to England

The first Parliament of Scotland meets in 1326 and in 1328 Edward III signs the Treaty of Northampton, recognising Scottish independence. He invades the following year..." more here [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Back a couple of years ago when Scotland held a vote for independence, I was so hopeful. I was flying The Bonnie Blue and proudly displaying my tartan and Clan Gunn crest. The no vote was a horribly embarrassing reminder of just how much of Scotland's independent soul the English have bred out of them. Thank God my kinsmen made it here to the land of the free and the home of the brave. We have certainly fallen greatly from our founding, but there are still those of us here that know our history and stand ready to defend it.
 Quoting: Resister


Thank you for proving you are an absolute and total idiot fuckwitt who, just as I said, has no idea whatsoever how Great Britain came to be.

cruise
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Stunning moron. Resister provides proof with impeccable sources and the moron replies with the same attack and provides nothing in defense of his assertion.

Sick, stupid, insane? Hard to tell.

laugh

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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
 Quoting: quietly_seeing_peace


You can't uphold the second amendment with pop guns love , you need fucking GUNS to fight an army with GUNS
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What nasty replies to a polite question by the OP!

You Americans, most of you on here, make me ashamed of the human species.
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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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Learn the history of your own island dumbass.

Edward I invades Scotland: A History of Scotland.

"...When the town had been taken in this way and its citizens had submitted, Edward spared no one, whatever the age or sex, and for two days streams of blood flowed from the bodies of the slain, for in his tyrannous rage he ordered 7,500 souls of both sexes to be massacred...So that mills could be turned round by the flow of their blood.'

Account of the Massacre of Berwick, from Bower's Scotichronicon

Marching north, Edward crushed the Scots army at Dunbar before penetrating into the scottish heartland, north of the Forth. King John Balliol was forced to surrender and was humiliated at Stracathro Churchyard. There he was stripped of the crown, his insignia ripped from his coat (giving him the nickname 'toom tabard', meaning empty coat), before he and much of the Scots nobility were imprisoned in England. However, for Edward 'Longshanks', conquest and ritual humiliation were not enough.

He set about stripping Scotland of its lodestones of identity, just as he had done to the Welsh in 1282. The Stone of Destiny, on which the Scottish Kings were inaugurated, the crown, and one of the Scots' holiest relics, the Black Rood of St Margaret (believed to be a piece of the True Cross), were all taken south. His aim was nothing less than the destruction of the Scots nation and its total incorporation into his kingdom. As he left Scotland, Edward was reported to remark – 'A man does good work when he rids himself of shit.'
..." more here [link to www.bbc.co.uk]


"...Scotland Conquered, 1174-1296
On 10 July 1296 Edward forced Balliol to surrender Scotland and the homage of all its people..." more here [link to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk]

"... In the 1290's Edward I of England conquered Scotland which led to the struggle under William Wallace clearly depicted in the film "Brave Heart". Later Robert the Bruce continued the fight eventually gaining Scotland its freedom. The Stirling area has lots to see on Scotland's Wars of Independence in the 13th century.

The Declaration of Arbroath in April 1320 stated "For as long as one hundred of us shall remain alive we shall never in wise consent to submit to the rule of the English, for it is not for glory we fight, for riches, or for honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man loses but with his life." This was the first time in history where freedom is mentioned, not in terms of an individual's freedom, but that of a nation..." more here [link to www.explorescotland.net]

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1296 Edward I of England - the 'Hammer of the Scots' - invades and deposes Scotland's King John. William Wallace, of Braveheart fame, defeats the English forces at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.


Wallace ruled Scotland as Guardian of the Realm - but in 1305 fell into the hands of the English and was executed for treason.

1314 The Hammer's son, Edward II, attempts to break the siege of Stirling Castle and reassert control. He is defeated by Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn - securing de facto independence for Scotland. Scottish losses number between 400 and 4,000, while the English lose 700 cavalry and between 4,000 and 11,000 infantry. Many are slaughtered by locals as they try to flee south to England

The first Parliament of Scotland meets in 1326 and in 1328 Edward III signs the Treaty of Northampton, recognising Scottish independence. He invades the following year..." more here [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Back a couple of years ago when Scotland held a vote for independence, I was so hopeful. I was flying The Bonnie Blue and proudly displaying my tartan and Clan Gunn crest. The no vote was a horribly embarrassing reminder of just how much of Scotland's independent soul the English have bred out of them. Thank God my kinsmen made it here to the land of the free and the home of the brave. We have certainly fallen greatly from our founding, but there are still those of us here that know our history and stand ready to defend it.
 Quoting: Resister


Thank you for proving you are an absolute and total idiot fuckwitt who, just as I said, has no idea whatsoever how Great Britain came to be.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30540242


Stunning moron. Resister provides proof with impeccable sources and the moron replies with the same attack and provides nothing in defense of his assertion.

Sick, stupid, insane? Hard to tell.

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 Quoting: s. d. butler


Another prize idiot! This is all Mel Gibson's fault. You fuckwits think the only history of Scotland happened in the 13th century after they removed the legitimate king, Balliol and formed a military alliance with France against England and before the Treaty of Berwick.

This has nothing to do with how Great Britain was formed and Scotland didn't become part of Britain because "You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away" It's total bollocks. For the benefit of plastic Paddies and silicone Scots go read up on James V1, The union of the crowns, The Darien disaster, The glorious revolution, The act of settlement, The acts of union and the Scottish enlightenment, then you can stop with all the fucking medieval blue painted Gibson bollocks.

 
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IT'S NOT A "MACHINE-GUN-STYLE GUN!" A machine gun is fully automatic - it shoots hundreds of bullets with one touch of the trigger. The AR-15 is semi-automatic - it shoots one bullet each time the trigger is touched. Exactly like every pistol ever made! All those cowboy movies you saw as a kid had semi-automatic pistols. So the AR-15 has exactly the same capability as does a policeman's pistol - one shot per touch of the trigger. The damage done by the nut at Parkside school could have been accomplished with the same results if the nut had used a Glock pistol with a standard 15-round magazine. Whatever the "style" or the "color" or the "shape" of an AR-15, it is nothing different!
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They are semi-auto not full auto.no compromise!
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For the benefit of OP, they are autoloading but not autoshooting. Each shot requires a separate squeeze of the trigger.

The only legal machine guns in the USA require a very serious background check and a special tax/license/stamp per weapon. The exceptions are law enforcement and military.
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GunControl AI making a lot of posts tonight...
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

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Nobody is legally allowed to own machine guns anymore.

You're really misinformed.
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They are semi-auto not full auto.no compromise!
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The cartels have fully auto weapons. Lots.

A few US citizens own licensed fully auto -machine gun- weapons...but they have to pass the most stringent background checks of all, pay lots of fees, and wade through years of rules and red tape to get their permitted machine gun.
I'm fairly sure they can only legally fire them on private property in a select number of US states. Also it's all old army surplus guns, mostly 50 cal machine guns from WWII era.
So it's for nostalgia, gun meets, etc, not a weapon that anyone is going go active shooter with...unless it gets stolen.

It would be a bit like stealing a Stradivarius violin...only so many in circulation, so super easy to track and very difficult to sell.

The cartel criminals have an endless easy pipeline of the most modern military weapons...compliments of the US DOD sending them to corruption rife war zones like Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, where they get laundered and passed to the cartels who traffic the drugs with these same FEDs all on the take.

So one reason why US gun owners want and need high capacity semi auto rifles, like AR's and AK's is to have some measure of putting up a good -self defense- fight if faced with a violent criminal or cartel member who doesn't follow any rules or gun laws and will seek to acquire the highest amount of fire power he can get his hands on from the black gun market.

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Re: Serious question from a Scottish lass about American gun control?
It's actually very simple and logic.

We know governments can be corrupted.

We know man can be corrupted.

We know governments have killed thousands.

We know most people have never and will likely not be able to kill.

So to ensure protection to the weaker we NEED those that are LESS likely to kill many to carry weapons for protection.

And logically it will be man not government that should carry weapons THE LAST.


So the mission is quite clear...

And it's the mission *** whispers to those with a pure heart.

Take all weapons that can kill many.

For those that design, purchase and use these are from the realm of evil and must be eradicated.


Eradication in *** realm means man lives but the idea of being safe by having weapons that kill many will die...

let's hope *** is still on our side to see the day we're freed from the evil war mongering industry.





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