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Serious question from a Scottish lass about American gun control?

 
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I'll do this visually so you can see the magnatude of it

3000
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300000000+ Thats how many guns were talking about here, you can't pour lake water into the ocean and then get it back in the bucket without salt.
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You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away, slaughtered those who would not comply, and subjugated the rest?


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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
 Quoting: quietly_seeing_peace


do you think someone who wants to kill a lot of people can only do so with a gun?

guns happen to be very good defensive/deterrents to crime and tyranny…

sugar kills more people… but you can't defend yourself with cookies…

:)
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...I am for Trump and fully support his policies on muslim immigration, fact is your country like mine is already flooded with the shit heads, how do you stop the ones that are already there with a right to arm themselves with those weapons?
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Deport them to one of the eleven Muslim countries that
execute gays by state policy. They'll see how their "right
to arm themselves" flies in those countries.
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He did not have an assault weapon. You cannot buy assault weapons in this country. He had a semi automatic rifle.
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Not exactly. A citizen who submits to a background check and has 10 fingers printed and pays a $200 tax stamp (per application) can legally own select fire firearms. The citizens that do own them are some of the most respectable level people you can meet, they aren't the ones to worry about, but they're the ones who are demonized by the libterd media.
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And you forgot the $30K to buy a transferable class 3 weapon.

Not a cheap hobby!

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The problem is that politicians want to define what a "machine gun" entails.
And they know nothing about the issue, they're pawns
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If you want to play wankysticks, every gun is a machine gun.

Its Orwellian horse shit
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I'd put that "machine" against you any day
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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We are not able to buy "machine gun style guns". We can buy semi-automatic pistols and rifles. One trigger pull, one bullet fired. If we give the BATF enough blood and information and money we could buy a "machine gun"....IF we could afford it. Only well-heeled people can afford machine guns, not rag tag rednecks.

Since the purpose of owning guns and weapons is for the possibility that they might be used against a tyrannical government, it doesn't make sense to allow the govt to control Who can have a weapons, and What kind of weapon they might have.
Our 2nd Amendment, in our Bill of Rights, states that the govt can make NO laws Abridging our right to have and carry arms. You can tell already that they've gone far past what they are allowed to do.
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The firearms that are the subject of this debate are not 'machine guns'. They cosmetically resemble military firearms, but they are not. They are semi-automatic, meaning that you must pull the trigger one time to fire each bullet. Pull the trigger and hold it, and it will fire exactly one bullet. They're fundamentally no different than a semi-automatic hunting rifle such as a Remington 742.

Personally, I would not choose any kind of rifle for home defense under normal circumstances. That being said, its worth noting that the number of homicides committed with rifles, inclusive of 'assault rifles', averages 300-400 per year. That's also about the same number as with shotguns. By contrast, there are typically around 6,000 homicides committed in the US with handguns each year.

Although I think this is a 'people problem' rather than an 'inanimate object' problem and I do not support any firearms bans, the stats very, very clearly indicate that the people inclined to blame guns are being disingenuous with the focus on rifles rather than handguns.
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It's always funny to read about the hate vs the ar-15 when really, its at the bottom of the calibers chart... All hunting rifles are more dangerous than AR-15.

Also, all countries allow citizens to have semi-auto rifles. Some limit magazine capacity to 5, 10, etc...

Handguns are the main difference here. USA must be the only country who allow citizens to carry handguns around town.

Logically they will go after your handguns 1st with something like we have in Canada. Like allow handguns fire only at gun range and frankly its a turn down for handguns owners... you cant even shot them in the wild so whats the point of having a gun you cant use outside the range. Here handguns are more like toys you go play with on your day off.
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What I don't understand is how people can be so dense. The AR-15 like many guns you don't hear about are our best tools to fight an oppressive government. I don't know why that isn't clear to people. Don't you find it weird that they ALWAYS use the same fucking gun out of thousands you can chose from they always pick an AR-15 because it pushes an agenda and hammers the image home. Our government are complete accomplices to allowing these people into our country. Does anyone for a second truly believe these crooked politicians have the best interest of the public at heart? Of course not they want our guns because you cant fully oppress or indoctrinate a country that is so well armed into the new world order. They start small with little regulations and bans and chip away little by little until its gone. Death by 1000 cuts which is why we cant give them an inch. Look at history the ONLY people to ever go for gun rights have been tyrants.
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Yup.
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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Switzerland has 7 times as many guns per capita as the UK, yet the UK has 2 times as many gun murders per capita.

Guns are not the problem. Multiculturalism doesn't work. That's reality.

Rural America has many times more "assault weapons" per capita than anywhere on the planet, yet rural America has an extremely minimal amount of violent crime per capita compared to the rest of the country.

Rural America is almost exclusively white Christians.

Do the math.
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Our right to bear arms (defend ourselves) was added to our Constitution during a time when our forefathers wanted the government to fear an armed citzenery for obvious reasons.
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I'll do this visually so you can see the magnatude of it

3000
30000
300000
3000000
30000000
300000000+ Thats how many guns were talking about here, you can't pour lake water into the ocean and then get it back in the bucket without salt.
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Even the libtards should be able to understand this ^^^
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All mass shootings are hoaxes. Including Orlando.

They are not trying to limit guns but scare Americans into buying more guns.

And then when the time is right they will let everyone kill each other.
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You can't stop flat tires by banning nails.
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Most Euros respond to everything with creating new laws and regulations. Canada is the same way. If you've ever worked in any of these places, you'll know what I mean. There is a specific procedure for fucking everything. You need a god damn permit and license to do anything in those countries.

I don't know how their culture became so emasculated, but on the whole, they are people who truly prefer to be told what to do by others. Of course, there are some exceptions, but not many.
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All mass shootings are hoaxes. Including Orlando.

They are not trying to limit guns but scare Americans into buying more guns.

And then when the time is right they will let everyone kill each other.
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The funny thing is that wont play out to their tune is the fact that we wont kill each other, but rather unite against a common enemy.
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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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How many lying anti-2nd amendment trolls have started off their OP by agreeing with the 2nd amendment, and then reveal that they don't really believe in the 2nd amendment? LOTS. Scottish Lassie is just one more lying troll.
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Think of all the young children that die every year from drinking household cleaning products or putting plastic bags over their heads.

Why are we not banning household cleaning products and plastic bags?
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That's really fucking offensive. You've clearly been educated by hollywood.

Oh yeah, no need to say thank you for saving your pissant little island, and all.

yer welcome.

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Ok so I agree that American citizens should have the right to bear arms if they wish, what I can't understand is how anybody can buy a machine gun style gun or why it's allowed? Surely the way to solve the argument is better gun control and a restriction on what type of gun' members of the public can buy? surely possessing a handgun is enough firearm to protect yourself and immediate others?

This is a genuine request for information. In the UK the argument that is projected is a straight out ban on guns or not! With not much coverage of any compromised arguments.

Thanks to GLP I have the resources to root out this info for myself.

hf
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You must be a product of generational incest like the rest of your kind.
FU KING MIND YOUR OWN BIDNESS
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You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away, slaughtered those who would not comply, and subjugated the rest?


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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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By force and centuries of tyranny, like the rest of the Empire
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Och Lassie!

What our American lawmakers want to call an Assault Rifle Is just a regular rifle, but looking a bit militaristic. It is a ban on a style rather that a function. Actual Fully Automatic weapons are illegal, unless you are an Arms Dealer. Gun laws are a complex subject. Child safety, personal protection, hunting, even the occasional snake, are all factor to consider. Our founding fathers, however, decided that Americans, as a group, are entitled to bear arms. This right is not for hunting or against burglars, snakes, angry landlords or to use on hippies. It is to keep the government honest. They were pretty forthright about the reason and made sure to say it outright.
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You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away, slaughtered those who would not comply, and subjugated the rest?


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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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Learn the history of your own island dumbass.

Edward I invades Scotland: A History of Scotland.

'"...When the town had been taken in this way and its citizens had submitted, Edward spared no one, whatever the age or sex, and for two days streams of blood flowed from the bodies of the slain, for in his tyrannous rage he ordered 7,500 souls of both sexes to be massacred...So that mills could be turned round by the flow of their blood.'

Account of the Massacre of Berwick, from Bower's Scotichronicon

Marching north, Edward crushed the Scots army at Dunbar before penetrating into the scottish heartland, north of the Forth. King John Balliol was forced to surrender and was humiliated at Stracathro Churchyard. There he was stripped of the crown, his insignia ripped from his coat (giving him the nickname 'toom tabard', meaning empty coat), before he and much of the Scots nobility were imprisoned in England. However, for Edward 'Longshanks', conquest and ritual humiliation were not enough.

He set about stripping Scotland of its lodestones of identity, just as he had done to the Welsh in 1282. The Stone of Destiny, on which the Scottish Kings were inaugurated, the crown, and one of the Scots' holiest relics, the Black Rood of St Margaret (believed to be a piece of the True Cross), were all taken south. His aim was nothing less than the destruction of the Scots nation and its total incorporation into his kingdom. As he left Scotland, Edward was reported to remark – 'A man does good work when he rids himself of shit.'
..." more here [link to www.bbc.co.uk]


"...Scotland Conquered, 1174-1296
On 10 July 1296 Edward forced Balliol to surrender Scotland and the homage of all its people..." more here [link to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk]

"... In the 1290's Edward I of England conquered Scotland which led to the struggle under William Wallace clearly depicted in the film "Brave Heart". Later Robert the Bruce continued the fight eventually gaining Scotland its freedom. The Stirling area has lots to see on Scotland's Wars of Independence in the 13th century.

The Declaration of Arbroath in April 1320 stated "For as long as one hundred of us shall remain alive we shall never in wise consent to submit to the rule of the English, for it is not for glory we fight, for riches, or for honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man loses but with his life." This was the first time in history where freedom is mentioned, not in terms of an individual's freedom, but that of a nation..." more here [link to www.explorescotland.net]

"...
1296 Edward I of England - the 'Hammer of the Scots' - invades and deposes Scotland's King John. William Wallace, of Braveheart fame, defeats the English forces at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.


Wallace ruled Scotland as Guardian of the Realm - but in 1305 fell into the hands of the English and was executed for treason.

1314 The Hammer's son, Edward II, attempts to break the siege of Stirling Castle and reassert control. He is defeated by Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn - securing de facto independence for Scotland. Scottish losses number between 400 and 4,000, while the English lose 700 cavalry and between 4,000 and 11,000 infantry. Many are slaughtered by locals as they try to flee south to England

The first Parliament of Scotland meets in 1326 and in 1328 Edward III signs the Treaty of Northampton, recognising Scottish independence. He invades the following year..." more here [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Back a couple of years ago when Scotland held a vote for independence, I was so hopeful. I was flying The Bonnie Blue and proudly displaying my tartan and Clan Gunn crest. The no vote was a horribly embarrassing reminder of just how much of Scotland's independent soul the English have bred out of them. Thank God my kinsmen made it here to the land of the free and the home of the brave. We have certainly fallen greatly from our founding, but there are still those of us here that know our history and stand ready to defend it.

Last Edited by Resister on 06/15/2016 10:16 PM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Oh yeah, no need to say thank you for saving your pissant little island, and all.

yer welcome.

s226
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You know how Scotland use to be it's own nation until the English took your weapons away, slaughtered those who would not comply, and subjugated the rest?


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Well you win the prize for being the most spectacularly clueless fucker in the thread so far. You have literally no idea at all how Great Britain came to be.
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Learn the history of your own island dumbass.

Edward I invades Scotland: A History of Scotland.

"...When the town had been taken in this way and its citizens had submitted, Edward spared no one, whatever the age or sex, and for two days streams of blood flowed from the bodies of the slain, for in his tyrannous rage he ordered 7,500 souls of both sexes to be massacred...So that mills could be turned round by the flow of their blood.'

Account of the Massacre of Berwick, from Bower's Scotichronicon

Marching north, Edward crushed the Scots army at Dunbar before penetrating into the scottish heartland, north of the Forth. King John Balliol was forced to surrender and was humiliated at Stracathro Churchyard. There he was stripped of the crown, his insignia ripped from his coat (giving him the nickname 'toom tabard', meaning empty coat), before he and much of the Scots nobility were imprisoned in England. However, for Edward 'Longshanks', conquest and ritual humiliation were not enough.

He set about stripping Scotland of its lodestones of identity, just as he had done to the Welsh in 1282. The Stone of Destiny, on which the Scottish Kings were inaugurated, the crown, and one of the Scots' holiest relics, the Black Rood of St Margaret (believed to be a piece of the True Cross), were all taken south. His aim was nothing less than the destruction of the Scots nation and its total incorporation into his kingdom. As he left Scotland, Edward was reported to remark – 'A man does good work when he rids himself of shit.'
..." more here [link to www.bbc.co.uk]


"...Scotland Conquered, 1174-1296
On 10 July 1296 Edward forced Balliol to surrender Scotland and the homage of all its people..." more here [link to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk]

"... In the 1290's Edward I of England conquered Scotland which led to the struggle under William Wallace clearly depicted in the film "Brave Heart". Later Robert the Bruce continued the fight eventually gaining Scotland its freedom. The Stirling area has lots to see on Scotland's Wars of Independence in the 13th century.

The Declaration of Arbroath in April 1320 stated "For as long as one hundred of us shall remain alive we shall never in wise consent to submit to the rule of the English, for it is not for glory we fight, for riches, or for honours, but for freedom alone, which no good man loses but with his life." This was the first time in history where freedom is mentioned, not in terms of an individual's freedom, but that of a nation..." more here [link to www.explorescotland.net]

"...
1296 Edward I of England - the 'Hammer of the Scots' - invades and deposes Scotland's King John. William Wallace, of Braveheart fame, defeats the English forces at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.


Wallace ruled Scotland as Guardian of the Realm - but in 1305 fell into the hands of the English and was executed for treason.

1314 The Hammer's son, Edward II, attempts to break the siege of Stirling Castle and reassert control. He is defeated by Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn - securing de facto independence for Scotland. Scottish losses number between 400 and 4,000, while the English lose 700 cavalry and between 4,000 and 11,000 infantry. Many are slaughtered by locals as they try to flee south to England

The first Parliament of Scotland meets in 1326 and in 1328 Edward III signs the Treaty of Northampton, recognising Scottish independence. He invades the following year..." more here [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Back a couple of years ago when Scotland held a vote for independence, I was so hopeful. I was flying The Bonnie Blue and proudly displaying my tartan and Clan Gunn crest. The no vote was a horribly embarrassing reminder of just how much of Scotland's independent soul the English have bred out of them. Thank God my kinsmen made it here to the land of the free and the home of the brave. We have certainly fallen greatly from our founding, but there are still those of us here that know our history and stand ready to defend it.

Last Edited by Resister on 06/15/2016 10:15 PM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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actl we should have STRONGER BIGGER FIREPOWER.such as nuclear carriers loaded with fighter jets,tanks,rockket launchers,rockets,missles,etc. why? because the constitution says we should so WE CAN DEFEND OURSELVES FROM A SCREWED UP GOVERNMENT.now would b a good time to have a jet for sure. buye bye DC
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There is a major difference in the relationships between the government and its people for Americans and the rest of the World, especially the Europeans. The Europeans have a 2,000 year history of doing whatever their rulers (usually kings or queens) tell them to do and in return, the rulers send off troops to foreign lands to murder and plunder and send the booty back to the homeland as reward for services rendered. The people bow down and worship their monarchs in return.

America, once a victim of such oppression, had the nerve to stand up and overcome the tyranny of such oppression, (you know like your own William Wallace once tried), and were successful. The ensuing new nation, realizing that without the ability of the population to stand up and say NO, government will eventually return to the monarchy model (as the US government has been doing lately here) and will attempt to enslave the population once again. Arming the citizenry was the only way that those brave men who stood up against the tyrannical monarch that oppressed us was the only tool that an informed public could have to assure that in the future, any attempts to return to the feudal system could be averted.

No, Americans do not need machine guns, they only guarantee that you will run out of ammunition quickly, but they need to be armed sufficiently to deal with what is coming at them. Disarming the USA will not stop any crime, not even death by firearms, but it will certainly result in our cities turning into what London has become today. How's that working out for you guys over there anyway? Why do you still bow down to that Satanic Vampiress of Evil?

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