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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72265061 United States 05/26/2016 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John Nelson Darby invented Rapture theology in Britain in 1830. Over the centuries since then, many Bible scholars and extremely intelligent people bought into it, as Hal Lindsay and Jack Van Impe in the current day. There was no such doctrine prior to that dreamed up by Darby, and no scriptural basis for a rapture-type event before Christ's Second Coming at the end of time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72249781 A boatload of truth in a really short post. B@Z, THAT IS FALSE. DOES THE TRUTH MATTER MOST TO YOU OR DOES SOMETHING ANYTHING MATTER MORE? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72276902 United States 05/26/2016 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] YHWH is used 6800 times but devout Jews will substitute "Adonai" instead, and frankly "God" is so generic as to be meaningless in the 21st Century. Christians worship YHWH, PERIOD. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72276902 United States 05/26/2016 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to biblehub.com] Strong's Concordance Yhvh: the proper name of the God of Israel Original Word: יְהֹוָה Part of Speech: Proper Name Transliteration: Yhvh Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw') Short Definition: LORD [link to biblehub.com] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70409019 United States 05/26/2016 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the rapture is for real then you will want to be in it. The situation is out of your control and believing in the rapture is not a sin, so what is the problem? The problem is, is that Lucifer does not want people to get saved so he can kill them in the tribulation because for whatever reason, they believed wrongly. Salvation is free so it costs you nothing, let's get that right and see what develops? Confess Jesus as your Lord and Believe that God raised him from the dead. Romans 10:9. If those who are so much against teaching the rapture are right and EVERYONE has to go through a shytstorm then those who believe that scenario will not be disappointed. Wil they? But if the pre tribulation rapture of the BODY of Christ is going to happen and people cannot or will not distinguish in scripture the Body from the bride then those who will be left behind will be real red assed like it wil do them any good in that situation. Why would you want to discard salvation today by Grace to get salvation by works later? Are you sure you will be up to it? Get saved now and let God be glorified in His Son. There is NO instruction to prepare for the tribulation, if there was it would be get saved from the wrath to come. If people want to gamble with their eternal life to self preserve their flesh, it is IMHO, complete insanity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70409019 United States 05/26/2016 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's going to get scarier folks until the day of the Apocolypse which means the revealing and by context, the revealing of Jesus Christ. He is going to reveal himself to the world but the only ones at and after that time that get any means of salvation by receiving holy spirit are the real remnant of bloodline jews. It is for them that the days of tribulation are shortened just as soon as they accept Christ. They are the rhetorical answer to REv 6:17, the WHO. Isaiah 66:3b,4 & 5: Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. 5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. Verse 5 talks about false brethren who were the spiritual leaders who wanted to go back to animal sacrifices like the Mormons want to do at the Temple they want to build in Israel, it is for the new Temple that an agreement is made so that in 3.5 years after the signing of the agreement, the remaining Antichrist out of seven can be glorified as God. These is NO tenable situation to prepare for but to get Born again NOW. Make the insurance bet and don't worry about having to save yourself with guns and ammo and canned peaches.. Get saved today and take control of your future. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72276902 United States 05/26/2016 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the rapture is for real then you will want to be in it. The situation is out of your control and believing in the rapture is not a sin, so what is the problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70409019 The problem is, is that Lucifer does not want people to get saved so he can kill them in the tribulation because for whatever reason, they believed wrongly. Salvation is free so it costs you nothing, let's get that right and see what develops? Confess Jesus as your Lord and Believe that God raised him from the dead. Romans 10:9. If those who are so much against teaching the rapture are right and EVERYONE has to go through a shytstorm then those who believe that scenario will not be disappointed. Wil they? But if the pre tribulation rapture of the BODY of Christ is going to happen and people cannot or will not distinguish in scripture the Body from the bride then those who will be left behind will be real red assed like it wil do them any good in that situation. Why would you want to discard salvation today by Grace to get salvation by works later? Are you sure you will be up to it? Get saved now and let God be glorified in His Son. There is NO instruction to prepare for the tribulation, if there was it would be get saved from the wrath to come. If people want to gamble with their eternal life to self preserve their flesh, it is IMHO, complete insanity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70409019 United States 05/26/2016 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." He has NO will for you to survive does HE? Nope, He says SAVED! Don't buy into the doubt, Christ WILL come, in fact those of you who love scripture can study the word 'Come' in Matthew Ch24 where the word PAROUSIA (Greek) is translated into the word coming for the first of 24 times. There are TWO Major PAROUSIAS to happen: The first is in the air (our Rapture) and the second ON the earth in Judgement. The first is for the gathering of the Church of the mystery, the Body of Christ and the second GATHERING is for the BRIDE of Christ. The two events are not the same and the word Parousia helps you understand that when you study it. We are Sons of God, not Servants. Remember that when you read the book of Revelation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72276902 United States 05/26/2016 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everything is so jumbled in your post! What Christian is denying the Parosia??? What Christian is denying Salvation by Grace Alone??? What Christian is stating gambling their souls for self-preservation??? What we're solely debating is the Biblical evidence for a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. I also have shown THREE Gospels showing a consistent chronology which begs to differ with Imminency i.e. the Imminent Return of Jesus (Yeshua) unless specific conditions are met. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37740873 Australia 05/26/2016 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everything is so jumbled in your post! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72276902 What Christian is denying the Parosia??? What Christian is denying Salvation by Grace Alone??? What Christian is stating gambling their souls for self-preservation??? What we're solely debating is the Biblical evidence for a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. I also have shown THREE Gospels showing a consistent chronology which begs to differ with Imminency i.e. the Imminent Return of Jesus (Yeshua) unless specific conditions are met. They ignore that as it does not sell books or keep the money hungry mega churches filled with donators. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70409019 United States 05/26/2016 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Bible Fans, Want to get your hair blown back? Want to be edified and blessed by the truth? Try these notes to Companion Research Bible [link to www.markfoster.net] Get the whole unedited collection books here and take a close look at Matthew Chapter 24:3 "come"= Parousia [link to www.heavendwellers.com] Its free |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72276902 United States 05/27/2016 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, at some point Jesus will return following satisfying numerous specific prophetic chronological events, but no one knows when. Yes, we will be taken up into the clouds if we claim Jesus as Lord and Master, but only accepted by grace. We MUST suffer either 3.5 years or more of the Tribulation. The Abomination of Desolation could mark the midpoint or the end of the Tribulation. There's every possible reason to suspect the Parousia could happen in the next generation. Watch and pray and prepare. |
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rb User ID: 70387866 United States 05/27/2016 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am inclined to believe pre-wrath. Im not so sure the tribulation is 7 years.. idk though Quoting: Cavjock12 One reason I think the Tribulation will last 7 years is that it coincides with Daniel's 70th Week prophecy: [link to www.gotquestions.org] . also the weapons are burned seven years after the Ezekiel 38-9 war love rb |
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(OP) User ID: 69883546 United Kingdom 05/27/2016 03:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your straight answer is "Yes"... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72265061 So then, why do YOU think that YOU are better with GOD for writing "G-d" rather than "God"? What exactly is God's problem with "o"? Slow down there. Jewish people(including myself sometimes) write God as G-d, because they are not to write His name. Some Christians also follow this practice, it's just a different way of doing things. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72265061 United States 05/27/2016 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your straight answer is "Yes"... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72265061 So then, why do YOU think that YOU are better with GOD for writing "G-d" rather than "God"? What exactly is God's problem with "o"? Slow down there. Jewish people(including myself sometimes) write God as G-d, because they are not to write His name. OK.... so... still.. why think that GOD prefers "G-d" over "God"? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72265061 United States 05/27/2016 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John Nelson Darby invented Rapture theology in Britain in 1830. Over the centuries since then, many Bible scholars and extremely intelligent people bought into it, as Hal Lindsay and Jack Van Impe in the current day. There was no such doctrine prior to that dreamed up by Darby, and no scriptural basis for a rapture-type event before Christ's Second Coming at the end of time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72249781 A boatload of truth in a really short post. B@Z, THAT IS FALSE. DOES THE TRUTH MATTER TO YOU??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71614359 Netherlands 05/27/2016 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think that GOD thinks it is better for you to write "g-d" than it is for you to write "God"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72265061 lol i chose not to invoke G-d's name, in a snakepit. you can do what you wish to do, the consequences of your actions are on your head or whatever part of your body! lol parts are parts! lol can't explain consciousness can you? you just looping, don't even try to turn it off. lol |
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(OP) User ID: 69883546 United Kingdom 05/28/2016 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pre-Tribbers are deceived, deluded, ignorant fools. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72148288 It's a No it is not. Who are you to say if the Rapture will be Pre, Mid or Post Tribulation? Even Jesus Christ Himself does not know, only God in Heaven knows. We are clearly told in the story of the ten virgins and in many other passages that we have to be ready now. People who listen to the likes of you in large part do so because they want to have their cake and eat it. IE: To continue in their lukewarm Christianity, then get saved at the last moment. Do you not think that the Lord who knows how many hairs there are upon your head, knows all about our secret hearts desires? Those who reject the message now may not get another chance. They could die tonight or if they have kept on deliberately rejecting the message will finish up like the five foolish virgins. |
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