The War Against the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

Well it's good to see that I'm getting under your skin, I'll ignore your insults that are of no merit so as to get down to the nitty gritty.

I don't know for certain when the Rapture will take place, no one does, not even Jesus Christ. So you quote me chapter and verse where in the bible we are told that it's OK to indulge in our sins. I thank the Lord deeply that I was saved before I died, because I know for a certainty that if I died then: that I would finish up in hell.

The tribulation is that awful time, (for those who have turned their backs upon the Lord) when His anger and wrath will be poured out: ie:Judgement. That's what you will be facing, along with billions of other people, if you keep wasting the little time that we still have left.

And in your case it will be much worse than for most, because other Christians and myself warned you about it, you cant deny that we did because you are arguing in this thread about it. Think what a stupid fool you will feel when you are stuck here in hell on earth, while many millions of us who kept oil in our lamps are up in Heaven.

Perhaps that's what you need, anger and fury at yourself. To really have your face rubbed in it and to know that there is no one else to blame but you. You will probably be filled with jealously when you realize that we where right and that you where wrong.

And that's just the beginning of your troubles, because along with many millions of other lukewarm Christians you will be facing the awful fury of the rest of the world as God's Judgements are poured out upon this earth. While we (and I pray that that includes myself) who have kept oil in our lamps are sitting down to the Marriage Feast of the Lamb. We have a wonderful future ahead of us and no more will we have to wonder through a parched desert.

Will there be any hope at all for you and all the other foolish people that are in your predicament? Bearing in mind that non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow: I do pray that the Lord will grant you a little more time.

There is a chance that you will become one of the Tribulation Saints. It will cost you your life, but better late than never.

Thanks that's a great picture.

Some Christians are at war against the Pre-Tribulation Rapture position out of genuine ignorance of the Word. And others are at war against it out of pure hatred. Both groups are being manipulated by Satan. And don't realize they're continuously making themselves an offense to God. Let's not forget what the Lord told Peter when he tried very hard to persuade Him not to die on the cross for us. Thank God Peter didn't succeed!

"From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” [Matt.16:21-23]

You know this is not true.

Jesus taking His own to Himself.

Do you refuse to understand?

War against pre-trib rapture is the equivalent of saying the Reformation was a war against the sale of indulgences.

How can Pre-Trib Rapture believers be manipulated by Satan to make themselves an offense to God?

Please explain what you mean by this.

You rapture people are enough to wear out the saints!

Another 1* to send you on your way.

Agree. There are so many Christians worldwide being persecuted and killed, yet Americans (and I guess Canadians, too) seem to think that they are more special. I would be totally thrilled with a pre-trib rapture, but it's hard for me to believe that all of these other Christians (like in Syria) have to go through such hell, and we are somehow more special.

Why are others, pushing so hard against it?

Because it's a dangerous concept that is from Satan. It's totally contrary to bible teachings. We are to turn the other cheek and die by beheading. That is why people want to grasp on to this concept. Do you know what kind of faith it takes to concede the world to Satan and die for Jesus,? The disciples did and all Christians have to realize this fact in these times. Being a Christian is so easy you just go to church once a week and read a little bible and you are taken up to heaven. I wish. Yeshua is king.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

God gave me a job. It's to point blank preach what is coming so I'm doing it. Read the bible.

All those who think being a Christian is what you've described are at risk of being left behind to be beheaded, when they don't have to be. Billions of Christians now subscribe to a false gospel which teaches that Christians don't need to keep the commandments, as long as they believe with all their heart that Jesus took their place on the cross, and that all their sins, past, present and future are washed away. And therefore deluded Christians conclude "living in sin doesn't condemn me and doing good doesn't save me! This is NOT the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's the Lie that's preparing billions of Christians to remain on earth to experience God wrath!

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in his purifieth himself, even as He [that is, as Jesus Christ] is pure." [1 John 3:2,3]

We purify ourselves now by keeping the Lord's commandments Many Pastors are preparing their congregations to get their heads chopped off during the outpouring of God's wrath, for they will be left behind if they continue to live according to these false teachings. The truth is many are going to be left behind and will only then reject the heresies being taught in so many Churches today. Only then will they start to keep the commandments, which they are failing to do now because of believing in these heresies. Then it will cost them their lives to DO what they should be doing now, but can't because they've believed in false doctrine taught as if its true doctrine!

"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." [Rev.12:17]

Go back to the first page and read the story of the labourers in the vineyard. Some worked from dawn to sunset, others only worked for an hour or two...but they all got the same pay. You don't like it: well don't go complaining to me about it, because I don't make the rules.

Thanks for your imput.

Persecutions, Tribulations and Wrath are not the same thing. Persecution of the saints has been going on now for thousands of Years. And it will continue up until the Lord returns and stands on the Mount of Olives, with His glorified saints, 7 Years after gathering them up into heaven.

"And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two...Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You." [Zech.14:4,5]

Tribulation is the complete perversion of the Church by Pastors and Church leaders succumbing to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. This is what is destroying the Church from within now. It is these doctrines of demons the Lord overcame, when He was in the World, by teaching and abiding in His doctrine! By living according to the doctrine of Christ and teaching it is how we also overcome the World.

"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” [John 16:33]

"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds." [2John 2:9-11]

The Lord didn't come into the World to overcome persecution. He came into the World to prevent great deception from destroying His Bride, the Remnant Church

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons..." [1 Tim.4:1]

The faith mainstream Christianity practices today simply doesn't produce the righteousness required for being included in the Rapture. For only those who are living according to the doctrine of Christ, which teaches that the practice of righteousness is a must, will be included in the Rapture.

"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God." 2 John 1:9]

"For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."[Gal.5:6]

The Day God's saints receive their glorified bodies, to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, is the very Day God's wrath will start to be poured out on the earth.

"...the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints..." [2 Thess.1:7-10]

Until the Day the Lord Jesus Christ comes to resurrect and translate His saints, persecutions and tribulations, not His wrath, will continue to be our experience on earth.

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ..."[1Thess.5:9]

This has nothing to do with the Rapture.

No one can Rapture themselves.

Why don't you understand?

The Saints will be Raptured.

Of course the Tribulations Saints will most likely be beheaded for standing for Faith in Christ.

Of course! No one says otherwise.

That has nothing to do with The Rapture.

You refuse to understand.

Here's a pastor who is sharing a very interesting dream about the Rapture

and how we are practically out of time. The 10,000 Demonic Arches of Baal. What's of particular interest is that he says that the Satanists can't hardly wait until we are gone, because it is only our presence that is stopping them going up. Most of you are aware that one was erected in Trafalgar Square in London and that another was due to go up in Times Square in New York. But you might not be aware that they are planning for 10,000 of them to go up all around the world. Personally I think that CERN has a lot to do with this in terms of opening up wormholes or portals or whatever you want to call it. Basically a means for devils to flood the earth, which the bible does talk about in the last days.

The bible says that basically the devil is restrained in what he can do to us, and you might also remember the story of Lot where God gave Satan very specific instructions as to what he could and could not do in this matter. Which if you think about it certainly makes sense because they could wipe us out in a few days but for our being under the Lords protection.

You should read some of those Chick illustrated tracts that I've been posting over the years on GLP. Most people dismiss them as just comic books but some of them go really deep into what is coming. I've enclosed a link. [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

Last Edited by Judethz on 05/21/2016 06:08 PM

Any verses to back that up?

Thought not...

if you think about it, anything from Christ's Ascension till now can be considered pre-tribulation. lol

one must also consider that up till now, only a handful including enoch, elijah, Jesus Christ and mohammed have been considered raptured. lol

This is the only thing you need to know.^^^^^^^

People who fight over the meaning if words in scripture, assuming they have the answer, instead of believing what Jesus says point blank in scripture are NOT doing his will. They are interpreting wording for their own agenda, creating STRIFE OF WORDS.

LOOK IT UP.

I won't address those who attack me for bringing them truth, because it is pointless to argue with people who are spiritually blind, don't know how to read and fallaciously take scripture out of context to fit their own presumption.

That is probably the most fitting thing I have read. Gods people don't come to argue, but to present truth.

I don't care to hash about the false rapture belief with those that endorse it. My only goal is to present the truth that Jesus says will occur for others who might benefit from learning that scripture says both are from two different camps. The rapture is not biblical, it is only supposition by twisting words, whereas, Jesus tells rather pointedly what is going to occur, and he does NOT mention a rapture. HE ONLY SPEAKS OF HIS SECOND COMING.

False.

one should be leery of anyone that carries a glp brand in their avatar! lol

that speaks for itself! lol

THAT IS YOUR OPINION.

Again, I did NOT come to argue with you. I only came to present the truth to others who might follow blindly after you. Hence the blind leading the blind.

I come now only to inform, not to debate.

You sure could have fooled me.

Do not listen to the liars who go on about a mid tribulation, or late tribulation rapture. The fact is that they don't know when it will be. Why take the risk?

THE RAPTURE COULD BE TODAY - Get right with the Lord while you are still blessed with a little time.

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Basically I think that there is only one correct answer to as to when it will happen and that is... today. Please Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are asleep in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ.

Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice.



1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Here is an interesting Chick illustrated tract on this very important subject.WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com]

THAT IS YOUR OPINION.

Is this where people and uprooted corpses fly into the air?

:ohlook:

Look at it this way.

I will share the message Jesus gave us about His second coming.

You can share your rapture, which He does NOT speak about.


I am sure you will convert many more than I to your way of thinking rather than having people listen to what Jesus Christ says. The bible says this will occur.

It won't stop me from showing truth to refute false doctrine though.

It is within your right to bar me from your thread though, which will of course still fulfill scripture that speaks of people seeking after the truth but not being able to find it in the the end age.