The War Against the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

Was Jesus raptured or John the Baptist? You are to stand and fight the enemy and do so with faith. Pre-tribs will be wringing their hands as well as gnashing their teeth IMO when the SHTF and there is no flying away from their testing.

I do believe that another revival is on our horizons and this will truly be a changing time for all...

Thanks for the post!

Only cowards and those who could not care less about their fellow humans and their fate teach pre trib garbage.

The one who needs to do some research is you.



Irenaeus 130AD to 202AD was a disciple of Polycarp 69AD to 155AD, Polycarp was a disciple of John, who walked with Christ and wrote revelation.



Irenaeus had this to say in his teaching.

Against Heresies 5.29



“Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance — in fact, as nothing;”

(1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”

(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”




The catching up or rapture.

The rapture doctrine brings division. Without it, there would not be a division. No division would exist.

Since we know that Jesus Christ and God are NOT the author of confusion, we also know that the rapture doctrine does not come from them.

The author of confusion is Satan.

Good point.

All i see in this ever growing list of FAILS is hate and division.

I guess people just want to debunk the lie of a pre-rapture,and others want to defend it.

The author of confusion is Satan.

More of the "wishful thinking" avoid responsibility crowd… it appeals to them because they wish to nullify the Word which says that a man shall reap what he sows….

That is a very stupid girl.

She said that attacks on Pre-trib rapture were attempts to destroy the very foundation of Christianity. When did Pre-Trib rapture become the very foundation of Christianity?

Then she spewed that Jesus suffered on the cross for Christians and so Christians did not need to suffer. Of course that completely ignores the fact that millions of Christians have suffered and died since Jesus died on the Cross. In fact ISIS is chopping off Christian heads all the time in Syria. Israel bombs Christian communities in GAZA all the time. Christians in the U.S. never come to their defense. But somehow she is "special" and different than other Christians past and present?

Then she says that "actions" will not get you to heaven but just "faith" alone will. So I have faith that Jesus is the Son of God and so I can go out and murder, lie, steal and cheat and it does not matter because I have faith and so can do whatever I want to do? If that is true then why was most of the bible written which tells you things you need to do? Like honor the Sabbath?

That is one lazy female in the video. she wants an easy way to heaven and an easy life where she is not responsible for anything she does.


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a careful examination of the statements of faith (if any are provided) of the rabid rapture deniers usually shows other, more severe problems regarding orthodoxy.

unorthodox beliefs are rampant on glp, where rapture discussions devolve into flame wars.

we must know the Bible intimately, pray for wisdom insight and discernment, and let the Holy Spirit keep us pointed toward Jesus and the good news.

Love, rb

Perfect example of the mindset.

No, that's not why.

Is everything you disagree with a lie?

Thanks for the YouTube video Judethz. I agree!!

Was Jesus raptured or John the Baptist? You are to stand and fight the enemy and do so with faith. Pre-tribs will be wringing their hands as well as gnashing their teeth IMO when the SHTF and there is no flying away from their testing.

Another thread for the fail list.

Was Jesus raptured or John the Baptist? You are to stand and fight the enemy and do so with faith. Pre-tribs will be wringing their hands as well as gnashing their teeth IMO when the SHTF and there is no flying away from their testing.

I have seen many threads on the pre-trib rapture, why are people pushing this belief? Why are others, pushing so hard against it?
Is it because there are some man-made religions that require you to believe pre-trib? other religions that may require NOT to believe pre-trib? I don't understand.
I have seen so many get so emotional on both sides, seriously I do not understand why? Its confusing.

Imminence is important

Rather than wait for signs, we should be ready NOW.

Who cares if pre trip or mid or what, we need to be ready asap.

:blinker: Has it not occurred to you that we are being tested now, by having to live in this stinking, lying Satanic world. With the churches led by liars, lukewarm fellow 'Christians', blatant discrimination in all walks of life, and so on, and so on.

Perhaps some of us may suffer physical torment. But who are you to accuse us of cowardness, like all the other Christians before us we will turn to the Lord in our hour of need.

As for you...

Go and do research into when it came about, you maybe surprised it not what you think.

This is something that has been debunked time and time again. Of course you do not want to think you have to get tried in your faith, of course you do every day of your life but you nor I am so wonderful that everyone who is not us but Christians to will be left here to sulfur while we are just cozy and safe. The Lord God did not save the Apostle from their death but after, are you better than these? The rapture theory and that is it, a theory new as it was no believed before 1800s.

If you find yourself here during the very bad things going on, by the way it already is going on, what you going to say That The Lord lied, he did not, man did. Or are you not one of the elect of God who sees and stands?

No one has a war on you, it is a warning to you not against you.