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What are you even saying? Spill the beans OP.
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Probably the most interesting part of Enders game for me was the parts where he was playing "the mind game". It was a computer program which was designed to help the school understand its students better. Your decisions in the game would result in a change of form, but everyone would ultimately find them selves at an un winnable game.

It was believed by the school that this was a test of how the student would handle defeat, every student would reach this game and they would become briefly obsessed with it, thinking that there was a right choice.
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Why take the bait? The game is clearly a trap. You aren't the one doing the fishing. You've never said you were fishing. You know whats going on, you've seen these games over and over again.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.

Why did ender keep playing that game? He beat the unbeatable game, after he did that, the teachers no longer knew how to interpret the "results" of the analysis. All they could know was that the symbols in the game had meaning to ender, but they could not tell what.
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What kind of nut are you OP? Seems to me like this is the only story you've ever read.
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Thread: The blue moon


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Enders drive was to win at all costs. Rarely did he ever actually understand the costs that were paid when they were paid. They knew he was too weak to his own strength.
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Wrong again but.

Hey OP are you versed in the "Dune" universe and the life of Frank Herbert?

At least the Dune miniseries OP, you know it totally fits in here on page 21.

Because we could easily look at Jack><Paul><Ender as three sides of a three sided die, heck throw Luke Skyworker on there and have it be a literal 4 sided die

Jack (has duplicate persona an bad ass who allows other men to beat him up, is lied to by his alter persona)

Paul (child prince given the control of the drug/religion highways of the year 4000AD or so, yes, Dune is a bible sci fi story)

Ender (good at video games and natural leadership skills, is lied to by his masters)

Luke (good at video games and natural leadership skills, is lied to by his leaders)
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I know a lot more about dune than fight club.
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Thread: The blue moon


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OP you delve deeply into Ender's

"mind game"

the little tablet thing he is constantly fiddling with, and which fiddles with him, right back.

I feel you have not understood it, I would say it was not a puzzle to solve, but more of an symbiotic hypnosis device, it was making him sick OP.

The children are controlled by tablets, to their demise, that's the real world, and that's Ender's Game.
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I know a lot more about dune than fight club.
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[rubs hands together in anticipation]
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I got a yuuuuuge shit eatin grin on my face right now OP.
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OP you delve deeply into Ender's

"mind game"

the little tablet thing he is constantly fiddling with, and which fiddles with him, right back.

I feel you have not understood it, I would say it was not a puzzle to solve, but more of an symbiotic hypnosis device, it was making him sick OP.

The children are controlled by tablets, to their demise, that's the real world, and that's Ender's Game.
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Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?

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The sun Follows the moon, her friend, her ally, betwixt them, they shape the lens of the earth, and destroy harmony with the entropy of balence.

The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

Thread: The blue moon


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OP you delve deeply into Ender's

"mind game"

the little tablet thing he is constantly fiddling with, and which fiddles with him, right back.

I feel you have not understood it, I would say it was not a puzzle to solve, but more of an symbiotic hypnosis device, it was making him sick OP.

The children are controlled by tablets, to their demise, that's the real world, and that's Ender's Game.
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Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


Is that even relavent to the point your trying to make?
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Thread: The blue moon


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Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


OP, here is where you trip up.

First, you think you are right,

Then, you offer, wrongly, to explain to me, how I am wrong.

No, let's stop right there.

The book ends, the fiction novel closes, the author gets money and remains faithful to God, that's not an ending OP, that's a chapter.
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OP you delve deeply into Ender's

"mind game"

the little tablet thing he is constantly fiddling with, and which fiddles with him, right back.

I feel you have not understood it, I would say it was not a puzzle to solve, but more of an symbiotic hypnosis device, it was making him sick OP.

The children are controlled by tablets, to their demise, that's the real world, and that's Ender's Game.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70553601


Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


Is that even relavent to the point your trying to make?
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Depends on the answer.
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The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

Thread: The blue moon


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You are definately trolling the bait OP, and zig zagging

It makes me look silly for even engaging but this thread needs to happen, so, mmmmmmkay

It's a valid point tho, we all do this in our heads OP, as you are deftly describing. Need I mention the angel on one shoulder and devil on another, that we are all so familiar with?

You think you understand Orson Scott Card and what made him, and Joe Smith, better than I do?

No, I doubt that.

Anyway, let's ove to Dune, because I only ever got you into Ender's Game so we could meet on IP and see each other, my sister or brother of this time.

Now,

1: Temrinator
2: Star Trek, and
3: Dune, lie before us.

Yes OP, all three, in that order.
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Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


OP, here is where you trip up.

First, you think you are right,

Then, you offer, wrongly, to explain to me, how I am wrong.

No, let's stop right there.

The book ends, the fiction novel closes, the author gets money and remains faithful to God, that's not an ending OP, that's a chapter.
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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
The sun Follows the moon, her friend, her ally, betwixt them, they shape the lens of the earth, and destroy harmony with the entropy of balence.

The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

Thread: The blue moon


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You are definately trolling the bait OP, and zig zagging

It makes me look silly for even engaging but this thread needs to happen, so, mmmmmmkay

It's a valid point tho, we all do this in our heads OP, as you are deftly describing. Need I mention the angel on one shoulder and devil on another, that we are all so familiar with?

You think you understand Orson Scott Card and what made him, and Joe Smith, better than I do?

No, I doubt that.

Anyway, let's ove to Dune, because I only ever got you into Ender's Game so we could meet on IP and see each other, my sister or brother of this time.

Now,

1: Temrinator
2: Star Trek, and
3: Dune, lie before us.

Yes OP, all three, in that order.
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...


Did he just say what we think he just said?
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Can you not read?
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I can read... I just feel like if that expression were expanded to its fullest meaning it would result in the largest script I've never written.
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What are you even saying? Spill the beans OP.
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Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


OP, here is where you trip up.

First, you think you are right,

Then, you offer, wrongly, to explain to me, how I am wrong.

No, let's stop right there.

The book ends, the fiction novel closes, the author gets money and remains faithful to God, that's not an ending OP, that's a chapter.
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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
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There is a point to be made, a function that I am expanding upon. There is something I need to find out, and this is how I am asking it.
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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


I have never heard anyone suggest that Ender reincarnates as Paul, but I suppose that's what you mean.

HAHA the kid's name is ENDer and he becomes the one who sees that nothing ends?
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Your wrong. After he got past the suposedly unbeatable game, the teachers no longer had control over the simulation. They didn't even exactly know if the game would continue onwards.

Do you know what the "unbeatable game" was, and how he beat it?
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


OP, here is where you trip up.

First, you think you are right,

Then, you offer, wrongly, to explain to me, how I am wrong.

No, let's stop right there.

The book ends, the fiction novel closes, the author gets money and remains faithful to God, that's not an ending OP, that's a chapter.
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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
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It was only able to evolve as a result of enders defeating it.
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The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

Thread: The blue moon


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Ender's Game is a small universe

Compared to that of Dune

But in essence, let us stick with Ender for now, because both he and Paul, are trained from youth, right?

We can agree, that the cadre that trains Paul and the cadre that trains his ancestor in the past, Ender Wiggin

Are the same, that which seeks to make kids do pushups to become tough and such?

Space monkeys?
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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


I have never heard anyone suggest that Ender reincarnates as Paul, but I suppose that's what you mean.

HAHA the kid's name is ENDer and he becomes the one who sees that nothing ends?
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No, the series of books literally continues on thousands of years in the future. the second book takes place 3000 years after the end of the second one with ender at the age of 36. In this universe the only means of travel was near light speed, so relativistic time scales take place.
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The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


I have never heard anyone suggest that Ender reincarnates as Paul, but I suppose that's what you mean.

HAHA the kid's name is ENDer and he becomes the one who sees that nothing ends?
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No, the series of books literally continues on thousands of years in the future. the second book takes place 3000 years after the end of the second one with ender at the age of 36. In this universe the only means of travel was near light speed, so relativistic time scales take place.
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Very much unlike the universe of dune.
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No, the series of books literally continues on thousands of years in the future. the second book takes place 3000 years after the end of the second one with ender at the age of 36. In this universe the only means of travel was near light speed, so relativistic time scales take place.
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The second book disinterests me

As with the sequels to Dune

[yawn]
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Exactly, my response is a chapter. A chapter that ends with a question. The mind game evolves (quite litterally) into somthing that no one ever expected or even thought possible. In fact, no one but ender even knows what it changes for thousands of years after the fact.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


I have never heard anyone suggest that Ender reincarnates as Paul, but I suppose that's what you mean.

HAHA the kid's name is ENDer and he becomes the one who sees that nothing ends?
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No, the series of books literally continues on thousands of years in the future. the second book takes place 3000 years after the end of the second one with ender at the age of 36. In this universe the only means of travel was near light speed, so relativistic time scales take place.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.


Very much unlike the universe of dune.
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Another point where the two stories diverge in lore is technologically.

In dune, there was a conflict which resulted in the banning of thinking machines, so they "created" through breeding and training humans who were capable of taking their place.
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The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

Thread: The blue moon


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Okay OP ou keep wanting to be told you are smart:

You are smart.

You point out that both Ender's Universe and Dune have "space folding" as a tech

But one is powered by drugs.

So you see, Card, as an author, cannot do some things. Mormons are held by garments OP, do I need to call more squares here?
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Another point where the two stories diverge in lore is technologically.

In dune, there was a conflict which resulted in the banning of thinking machines, so they "created" through breeding and training humans who were capable of taking their place.
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I sense dopeness beginning to flow.
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The mentats

Are stoners OP.

Spice OP, by page 22 you built one hell of a thread.


Spicey!
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No, the series of books literally continues on thousands of years in the future. the second book takes place 3000 years after the end of the second one with ender at the age of 36. In this universe the only means of travel was near light speed, so relativistic time scales take place.
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The second book disinterests me

As with the sequels to Dune

[yawn]
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And yet it is the novels that follow enders game that have the most mature story lines, and the most relavent to the topic of this thread "one man show".

in the 3rd one, after traveling out into the void that connects all space, where reality is so thin the mere act of thinking about somthing will cause its manefestation, ender causes a manefestation of 2 new living beings, each of them imbued with a part of his soul. They are Peter and Valentine as he thought of them when they were young.
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The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

Thread: The blue moon


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Okay OP ou keep wanting to be told you are smart:

You are smart.

You point out that both Ender's Universe and Dune have "space folding" as a tech

But one is powered by drugs.

So you see, Card, as an author, cannot do some things. Mormons are held by garments OP, do I need to call more squares here?
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That is not what I want to hear. There is a direction, you asked for direction, and this is what is happening.

I would rather be called a fool and learn somthing than to be called inteligent and be lied to.
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The mess of anger brings tide angles of new trials in ity for your mullen cholic soal.

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Okay OP ou keep wanting to be told you are smart:

You are smart.

You point out that both Ender's Universe and Dune have "space folding" as a tech

But one is powered by drugs.

So you see, Card, as an author, cannot do some things. Mormons are held by garments OP, do I need to call more squares here?
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That is not what I want to hear. There is a direction, you asked for direction, and this is what is happening.

I would rather be called a fool and learn somthing than to be called inteligent and be lied to.
 Quoting: Many Masks, One Face.

Actually, he is pointing out that a lack of space folding is a point where they differ.

In the ender universe, interstellar travel is only possible by traveling close to the speed of light, which results in warped perceptions of time for the occupants.

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OP I see in my mind, a tree, it is comprised of all the notions that branch between pop sci media.

That is to say, "cyborg or clone human-appearing asshole" Is a Terminator node that also shares this node with Battlestar Galactica Cylon and hmm, well, I suppose now American Ultra type of worshipping the MK CIA era, ...Whjat I mean is that this concept this notion of someone who looks human, is a node, it's a island all writiers rest on, to invoke a sort of feeling in the mind of the reader/viewer, does that make sense? So I see where all media are connected by 'nodes of familiar theme' if you understand

So the pinion to that is the themes that they DO NOT touch on, that is to say, DRUGS OP.

So Dune and Fight Club, approach an more adult vista.

Ender and Card and all that, while having larger traditional values and sense, is still seen as, well, wearing the garments OP, imo.

In 2005, for example, I thought Ender's Game was cool, but since I started my mentat training, I see clearer now.
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To expand on my 'nodes of familiar themes' OP

Fight Club, Ender's Game, Dune, <<< All inhabit the 'kids must be made to fight' meme, which, I personally find untrue, these universes are actually author's commentary on how fucked up Earth is.

In Star Wars, we see the weapon is crafted or handed down, there is ZERO H2H combat in Star Wars, which reflects, again, the author's commentary on Earth's state, George is no kung fu practicioner, nor will his kind ever be.

So in the end OP, it's about some wrestling match.

Jacob versus the Angel OP? If you ask earlier what is the story of all stories, I would say Job.
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Sorry to intervene but i have to ask this:

What does Mental Training mean ? or what it is about ?
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Sorry to intervene but i have to ask this:

What does Mental Training mean ? or what it is about ?
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Op can expound

1: Mental Training in Ender's Game means his little tablet device which is his constant mind-bug, OP thinks Card meant something else than just hypnotizing kids with tablets, I see it much plainer.

2: In Dune, "Mentats" are as OP says, human computers, who use "spice" to extreme ends, and are hired for their precise methods of calculating statistics, odds, chance, and thereby winning all games. They undergo strict 'training' in drug use and elite service.
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I'll just be more direct about my point, my question, for you, the mentat, the wise one, the nobody. I truly want an answer, but I will not ask you directly. Truely I am bad at this game of metaphors and story references, you really do need to pardon my inability to use any universe other than enders, I was at one point locked in a place where these books were the only ones I had to read, and I read them over, and over, and over, more times than I can put a number to.

So the point, as best as I can make it:

The mind game, after it is broken by ender and rendered useless to the teachers at the school as a way to understand him, is then hacked by the formics as a way to tell ender that they meant no harm, but they understood that what they did was horrendous, and they deserved what was coming to them, now that they realize that each individual human, unlike each formic, had a soul. Through the game, ender was then hacked, and shown images that the game should never had access to, through a direct connection with his mind.

After this happened, the game and ender became intertwined, and the game gains sentiance. Its not clear exactly how, but at some point in enders travels through the universe, this sentiance introduces him self to ender by the name of Jane.

Jane and ender are intertwined, ender is obviously a human being, jane is an entity that simply exists in the "philotic network", which allows instantaneous transference of information by teleporting that information through the place that it is revealed that souls come from.

Fast forward, way forward, the rest of the story is not important to the point I am trying to ask, ender travels to this place where souls come from (and seemingly live), and he conjures 2 other bodies and imbues them with a part of his own soul.

While those bodies exist, they are fighting for the attention of enders soul. The false valentines body begins to fall a part because her work is of less interest to enders soul than peters is. Ender( at this point he has thrown this name a way, he is andrew (a speaker for the dead) now, some times he is The Speaker for the Dead).

Andrews body completely collapses, the valentine is still falling apart.

At the same time, Jane is discovered doing various things that are getting in the way of other stuff some where else, and the computers which make up her brain are being disconnected from the philotic network. She needs a new body.

Andrews soul lives in 2 bodies now, it can only stay in one, or they both risk collapsing.

The solution here was to give valentines body to Jane, so the peter could have a full soul, the one who the soul was clearly the most interested in.

Maybe I have made my question clearly here, maybe I havent... I understand I am foolish, young, and still have much to learn, so I try my best to ask the right questions using what ever language I happen to have lieing around...

It is a question for you, specifically, in regards to the "largest script I've never written" that I thought I saw in your words to me at one point... If the answer to the question is not what I think it is, I have just risked looking incredibly foolish. That is fine by me. I already said how I feel about being the fool.

Last Edited by Many Masks, One Face. on 05/22/2016 12:55 PM
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