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RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22 | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668  United States05/02/2016 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how I understand it. Quoting: SerenaSeesAll Well when rapture believers go with the anti-christ at the 6th trump, I will be here still teaching until the 7th trump when the REAL Jesus comes. And just as the UNCHANGED word says, we are to teach through the tribulation. Not being taught to "fly to save our souls"! THAT is the deception of the end times, and is how the NEW bibles will cost you your soul. IF you follow the Rapture deception. The word Rapture, and the word Apple are not in the word of God for a reason... NOT TRUE! The "Falling Away" is scripture. The rapture is not. To clarify as simply as possible, the falling away is the 1/3 that Satan gets because they were deceived by the false doctrine of the end times. Rapture is nowhere in God's word except when described as false doctrine and "God hates those that would teach his children to fly to save their souls". We are not going to fly away from the tribulation, we are to testify and teach during that time. The one who stays in the field doing God's work means the one who does not run to worship the false christ.---- The unforgivable sin is to NOT let the Spirit speak through us during the trials and tribulation. ----God's Kingdom will be established here on Earth after the cleansing. Why would you want to go anywhere else. Where would you be going if Christ is here? Being "Caught up with Christ" in the air means to be ascended to our spirit form, not flying away from the battle between good and evil. ----The man of sin will be revealed to be the false christ after that 1/3 has been claimed by Satan. If he was revealed before that, then no-one would fall for his lies would they. We must remember that antichrist comes at the 6th trump and will be revealed BEFORE Christ establishes his Kingdom on Earth. Christ doesn't return until the 7th trump. Read and learn God's word for yourself and listen to him, not man.---- Beware of modern translations of the bible, they have clearly been written to fool Christians into falling for the rapture theory. Compare those scriptures that you believe prove rapture to the old bibles and you will clearly see the deception. God will bless those who are patient like he told us to be. May your studies be blessed with understanding of God's truths and warnings. Thank YOU! You condensed much of what I was trying to say in my original post nicely. I think a lot of people begin to read but then they stop because it OFFENDS them, so they never learn the truth. Which ironically is in line with scripture too. May God bless you.  Great thread. Serena really does get it. It's a beautiful thing to see people relay what they've gathered without assistance. The word comes through much better without a middle man. She and you have done the work. I commend both of you. It's awesome! Thank you. I agree, people should be able to refute illogic with logic. LOL. Speaking of middle men.... and not to disappoint in your above statement.....  I have supplied a link for those who might have more questions. That doesn't mean that I am unwilling to field them, just that there are more sources which validate Christs own word on the matter where others too have done the footwork to dispel the Rapture myth. The truth is always there for those who choose to find it and my assertions in this thread and scripture to back it up are simply a continuation of work others have already done to clarify and present the TRUTH. The link I gave was given to me by another who also sees clearly just today so I thought I should share it. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He describes exactly what happens during that hour. If you finally admit that the rapture is a farce...that would prove to me you're not going to worship satan on accident. Quoting: Chip When the Christ arrives after satan has devoured the world...all remaining flesh will instantly (in the twinkling of an eye) be removed from us and we'll be given given new incorruptible body's. Chip, Jesus was plain when He said He will return "at an hour when you do not expect him" and repeated the warning several times over, the apostles also: "Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Matthew 24:42-44 “The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know.” Matthew 24:50 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.” Matthew 25:13 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard, keep awake. For you do not know when the time will come. It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake. Therefore stay awake – for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning – lest he come suddenly and find you asleep. And what I say to you I say to all: Stay awake.” Mark 13:32-37 “You must also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Luke 12:40 “For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.” 1 Thessalonians 5:2 “Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and late rains. You also, be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Do not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing at the door.” James 5:7-9 “The end of all things is at hand.” 1 Peter 4:7 “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and all the works done on it will be exposed.” 2 Peter 3:10 “Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.” Revelation 1:3 “And behold, I am coming soon.” Revelation 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.” Revelation 22:12 “He who testifies to these things says, ‘Surely I am coming soon.’ Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!” Revelation 22:20 Keeping watch while also meant to be looking out for Christ. It is also meant to tell you not to slack off and grow dull in spirit and not let in false teachings, SO THAT WHEN HE ARRIVES HE DOESN'T FIND YOU ASLEEP OR TURNED AWAY TO ANOTHER DOCTRINE WHICH IS NOT HIS. If you are not watchful, people will attempt to slip in false doctrine and destroy your faith. Those who are awake can repel them. The robber who break in are quite simply those who are the very subject of this thread. Rapturists ARE THIEVES WE ARE TOLD TO WATCH FOR SO THEY DO NOT STEAL OUR CROWN! This way when Christ does come he can say well done good and faithful servant.. |
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 User ID: 71536680 United States05/02/2016 08:47 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how I understand it. Quoting: SerenaSeesAll Well when rapture believers go with the anti-christ at the 6th trump, I will be here still teaching until the 7th trump when the REAL Jesus comes. And just as the UNCHANGED word says, we are to teach through the tribulation. Not being taught to "fly to save our souls"! THAT is the deception of the end times, and is how the NEW bibles will cost you your soul. IF you follow the Rapture deception. The word Rapture, and the word Apple are not in the word of God for a reason... NOT TRUE! The "Falling Away" is scripture. The rapture is not. To clarify as simply as possible, the falling away is the 1/3 that Satan gets because they were deceived by the false doctrine of the end times. Rapture is nowhere in God's word except when described as false doctrine and "God hates those that would teach his children to fly to save their souls". We are not going to fly away from the tribulation, we are to testify and teach during that time. The one who stays in the field doing God's work means the one who does not run to worship the false christ.---- The unforgivable sin is to NOT let the Spirit speak through us during the trials and tribulation. ----God's Kingdom will be established here on Earth after the cleansing. Why would you want to go anywhere else. Where would you be going if Christ is here? Being "Caught up with Christ" in the air means to be ascended to our spirit form, not flying away from the battle between good and evil. ----The man of sin will be revealed to be the false christ after that 1/3 has been claimed by Satan. If he was revealed before that, then no-one would fall for his lies would they. We must remember that antichrist comes at the 6th trump and will be revealed BEFORE Christ establishes his Kingdom on Earth. Christ doesn't return until the 7th trump. Read and learn God's word for yourself and listen to him, not man.---- Beware of modern translations of the bible, they have clearly been written to fool Christians into falling for the rapture theory. Compare those scriptures that you believe prove rapture to the old bibles and you will clearly see the deception. God will bless those who are patient like he told us to be. May your studies be blessed with understanding of God's truths and warnings. Thank YOU! You condensed much of what I was trying to say in my original post nicely. I think a lot of people begin to read but then they stop because it OFFENDS them, so they never learn the truth. Which ironically is in line with scripture too. May God bless you. Great thread. Serena really does get it. It's a beautiful thing to see people relay what they've gathered without assistance. The word comes through much better without a middle man. She and you have done the work. I commend both of you. It's awesome! Thank you both. I was raised in a Mormon family and I always kept seeing the final couple verses of revelations. "Don't add to or take away from this book". First that told me the Mormons were WRONG! I knew that the rapture theory wasn't even a thing back then, so I was instantly alarmed by it when I heard it. A lot of prayer, research and studying it ALL over again made it very clear. Praying for discernment is what made the scriptures make so much more sense. I knew it was ADDED so it didn't take too long to realize that this WAS and IS the "false doctrine of the end times. God Bless You both. Let's pray that the deceived ones will go to the Lord for knowledge instead of false teachers. In Jesus name AMEN. Last Edited by SerenaSeesAll on 05/02/2016 08:49 PM ============================================================= Noticing Miracles Is My Hobby The Bible - When you carry the Bible, Satan has a headache, when you open it, he collapses, when he sees you reading it, he loses his strength, AND when you stand on the Word of God, Satan can't hurt you! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how I understand it. Quoting: SerenaSeesAll Well when rapture believers go with the anti-christ at the 6th trump, I will be here still teaching until the 7th trump when the REAL Jesus comes. And just as the UNCHANGED word says, we are to teach through the tribulation. Not being taught to "fly to save our souls"! THAT is the deception of the end times, and is how the NEW bibles will cost you your soul. IF you follow the Rapture deception. The word Rapture, and the word Apple are not in the word of God for a reason... NOT TRUE! The "Falling Away" is scripture. The rapture is not. To clarify as simply as possible, the falling away is the 1/3 that Satan gets because they were deceived by the false doctrine of the end times. Rapture is nowhere in God's word except when described as false doctrine and "God hates those that would teach his children to fly to save their souls". We are not going to fly away from the tribulation, we are to testify and teach during that time. The one who stays in the field doing God's work means the one who does not run to worship the false christ.---- The unforgivable sin is to NOT let the Spirit speak through us during the trials and tribulation. ----God's Kingdom will be established here on Earth after the cleansing. Why would you want to go anywhere else. Where would you be going if Christ is here? Being "Caught up with Christ" in the air means to be ascended to our spirit form, not flying away from the battle between good and evil. ----The man of sin will be revealed to be the false christ after that 1/3 has been claimed by Satan. If he was revealed before that, then no-one would fall for his lies would they. We must remember that antichrist comes at the 6th trump and will be revealed BEFORE Christ establishes his Kingdom on Earth. Christ doesn't return until the 7th trump. Read and learn God's word for yourself and listen to him, not man.---- Beware of modern translations of the bible, they have clearly been written to fool Christians into falling for the rapture theory. Compare those scriptures that you believe prove rapture to the old bibles and you will clearly see the deception. God will bless those who are patient like he told us to be. May your studies be blessed with understanding of God's truths and warnings. Thank YOU! You condensed much of what I was trying to say in my original post nicely. I think a lot of people begin to read but then they stop because it OFFENDS them, so they never learn the truth. Which ironically is in line with scripture too. May God bless you. Great thread. Serena really does get it. It's a beautiful thing to see people relay what they've gathered without assistance. The word comes through much better without a middle man. She and you have done the work. I commend both of you. It's awesome! Thank you both. I was raised in a Mormon family and I always kept seeing the final couple verses of revelations. "Don't add to or take away from this book". First that told me the Mormons were WRONG! I knew that the rapture theory wasn't even a thing back then, so I was instantly alarmed by it when I heard it. A lot of prayer, research and studying it ALL over again made it very clear. Praying for discernment is what made the scriptures make so much more sense. I knew it was ADDED so it didn't take too long to realize that this WAS and IS the "false doctrine of the end times. God Bless You both. Let's pray that the deceived ones will go to the Lord for knowledge instead of false teachers. In Jesus name AMEN. It most certainly is ONE FALSE DOCTRINE, if not THE ONE! Everyone is so eager to jump on the Rapture train without thought to this regard. As I have shown through scripture, a Rapture is a false hope in something that we are ALREADY assured of as long as you are being led by the SPIRIT. The only people who would endorse a Rapture view are those who fail to see this, because they are being led by the FLESH. Once an individual sees this truth, they are then able to see why belief in a Rapture leads to destruction. Those led by the SPIRIT know that no matter what as long as they remain in the SPIRIT they have nothing to fear from the upcoming time of tribulation that will test the hearts and minds of men. They believe and are assured by Faith that they will not be discounted in the day of wrath, but rewarded. Take Peter. He steadfastly told Christ that he would stand by him. What did Christ say? Before the cock crows thrice, you will deny me! Rapturists are doing the same. They say they are for Christ, but at the time when they are asked to prove it, they want someone to step in so they don't have to suffer. RAPTURISTS ARE LIKE PETER. THEY DENY CHRIST. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... the Father who indwells and lights all human beings. and never started or taught about a church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72135172 you are not saved just because your joined a club. Not how it works. His Father is YOUR FATHER and that is what taught... and that the Father indwells all humans. In fact this is truth in some 5.6 TRILLION evolutionary planets that have intelligent beings on them. We all have the light of God within but many people are distracted and cant hear God because of the noise of the world but we will all know the truth soon enough YES. I believe this is true. The signs we are told to watch for are present. You only need to look at the various threads on her that point to the intensity and fervor of what we are told is to transpire. Time is at hand or very close in which we need to set our house in order if we have not done so. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i think there's too much bold red. its like an explosion in a red paint factory!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70823438  Agreed. The first sentence attempts to be the thesis and it fails since it's a general statement indicating that all believers condemn themselves and others. I only take responsibility for myself and don't feel condemnation on nobody. OP I think you're overthinking this.  No, THE main argument is that people who believe in the Rapture are paying lip service much like Peter. As I point out in a post above, Peter told Jesus that he would stand by Him. Christ answered that Peter would deny Him three times before the cock crowed. ESSENTIALLY, JESUS CALLED HIM A LIAR AND PETER WENT ON TO PROVE IT. PETER DENIED CHRIST, JUST AS THE RAPTURIST ARE DOING. We are not to be conformed to the world. This means that true believers will stand up and die for their belief just as Christ Himself did, not look for a way out. Truly Christ says that those who are His WILL suffer the same persecution. THIS IS LITERAL AND CANNOT HAPPEN IF THEY ARE REMOVED. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the "rapture" was something that came out of the rebellion (protestant reformation) Quoting: JohnPaul2 Yes. It is a relatively recent "concept". NOT AT ALL BIBLICAL. Much of what allows the belief to continue is the fact that people try to take two corroborating scripture from different accounts for the same occurrence and separate them from each other claiming they are speaking of two different things. This simply is not the case. The scripture they try to separate are one in the same. The fellow in this link describes this better than I can. [link to bible-truths.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72133527  Australia05/02/2016 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how I understand it. Quoting: SerenaSeesAll Well when rapture believers go with the anti-christ at the 6th trump, I will be here still teaching until the 7th trump when the REAL Jesus comes. And just as the UNCHANGED word says, we are to teach through the tribulation. Not being taught to "fly to save our souls"! THAT is the deception of the end times, and is how the NEW bibles will cost you your soul. IF you follow the Rapture deception. The word Rapture, and the word Apple are not in the word of God for a reason... NOT TRUE! The "Falling Away" is scripture. The rapture is not. To clarify as simply as possible, the falling away is the 1/3 that Satan gets because they were deceived by the false doctrine of the end times. Rapture is nowhere in God's word except when described as false doctrine and "God hates those that would teach his children to fly to save their souls". We are not going to fly away from the tribulation, we are to testify and teach during that time. The one who stays in the field doing God's work means the one who does not run to worship the false christ.---- The unforgivable sin is to NOT let the Spirit speak through us during the trials and tribulation. ----God's Kingdom will be established here on Earth after the cleansing. Why would you want to go anywhere else. Where would you be going if Christ is here? Being "Caught up with Christ" in the air means to be ascended to our spirit form, not flying away from the battle between good and evil. ----The man of sin will be revealed to be the false christ after that 1/3 has been claimed by Satan. If he was revealed before that, then no-one would fall for his lies would they. We must remember that antichrist comes at the 6th trump and will be revealed BEFORE Christ establishes his Kingdom on Earth. Christ doesn't return until the 7th trump. Read and learn God's word for yourself and listen to him, not man.---- Beware of modern translations of the bible, they have clearly been written to fool Christians into falling for the rapture theory. Compare those scriptures that you believe prove rapture to the old bibles and you will clearly see the deception. God will bless those who are patient like he told us to be. May your studies be blessed with understanding of God's truths and warnings. You are absolutely correct on all counts! The Rapture believers are satan's portion. He will take them as the flood took people during Noah's time and slaughtered them. The old and new testaments lay all that out as plain as day. The spirit of slumber is a real curse that God has obviously released. The Rapture believers have either attained God's attention and this curse by acts or by misinterpretations...but somehow it sure seems they are sleeping...heavily. OMG Chip you actually believe in Noahs ark? Lost huge cred. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72142978 United States05/02/2016 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I am attempting to do is refute the false and dangerous rapture philosophy/theory and present the truth. Quoting: Osmium76 Unless Your opinion is wrong in which case then, You declare the Purpose and Will of God to be False because You say so...  I am sorry. I have to address you. You seem to be seeking attention, so will before I go. IT IS NOT MY OPINION. I cited fact to support Jesus's claim. Unless Your opinion is wrong in which case then, You declare the Purpose and Will of God to be False because You say so... |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, there is a rapture..the bible tells us about it and also God specifically told me Himself. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa It happens at the last trump.....none of us know exactly when that is tho. Ok, Lisa That is NOT a "RAPTURE". To say such only adds confusion, because if you support it being a Rapture, you add validation to others claiming the pre and mid tribulation Rapture. That is their champion term to endorse something that the bible quite clearly shows will NOT occur. Using that term only adds confusion and is one of the things that draw people down a path of destruction. Christ is coming back and we will go out to welcome Him. He isn't coming back to only come halfway. We will meet Him. He is coming to us! We are His Saints and His welcoming committee. An example of this would be if you were going to the supermarket to buy food. You don't get to the store, walk up to the door and then turn around and leave again. NO. You go in and do what you came there to do. So too will Christ on His return. He isn't only coming halfway and then turning back. We will be like the people at Walmart. You know, the GREETERS YOU MEET WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR? Are you aware that when Jesus was resurrected the tombs were open and those Saints were resurrected alongside him and walked among the people too? These are the first fruits that arose with Jesus at that time and they sit in judgment. As for the scripture that show those being raised up, they are dead. They will be raised out of the grave. Those who are alive will be transformed too at that time, but don't need to be raised up, because they are alive when Christ returns. They will simply die to the flesh and take on the whole spirit and armor of God. Then they will go and greet Christ out in the open as He DESCENDS. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States05/02/2016 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, there is a rapture..the bible tells us about it and also God specifically told me Himself. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa It happens at the last trump.....none of us know exactly when that is tho. Ok, Lisa That is NOT a "RAPTURE". To say such only adds confusion, because if you support it being a Rapture, you add validation to others claiming the pre and mid tribulation Rapture. That is their champion term to endorse something that the bible quite clearly shows will NOT occur. Using that term only adds confusion and is one of the things that draw people down a path of destruction. Christ is coming back and we will go out to welcome Him. He isn't coming back to only come halfway. We will meet Him. He is coming to us! We are His Saints and His welcoming committee. An example of this would be if you were going to the supermarket to buy food. You don't get to the store, walk up to the door and then turn around and leave again. NO. You go in and do what you came there to do. So too will Christ on His return. He isn't only coming halfway and then turning back. We will be like the people at Walmart. You know, the GREETERS YOU MEET WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR? Are you aware that when Jesus was resurrected the tombs were open and those Saints were resurrected alongside him and walked among the people too? These are the first fruits that arose with Jesus at that time and they sit in judgment. As for the scripture that show those being raised up, they are dead. They will be raised out of the grave. Those who are alive will be transformed too at that time, but don't need to be raised up, because they are alive when Christ returns. They will simply die to the flesh and take on the whole spirit and armor of God. Then they will go and greet Christ out in the open as He DESCENDS. Yes, there is a rapture. And the rapture isn't the second coming of Christ........He doesn't come back here until the end........after the judgement and the bowls of wrath have been poured out. That's when He comes back. The rapture isn't that. The rapture is the catching away of the bride before the wrath is poured out. I believe it's at the midway point of the final 7 years. The bride is taken away.....we meet the Lord in the air. He doesn't come down here for that, we go up there. He doesn't come here until the end. This is what the bible says, this is the truth even if you don't believe it. It's ok if you don't believe it, but it is the truth. I've studied so long, so hard, and for so many years. God bless you........I refuse to debate or argue this point with anyone. It is what it is.....and believing it or not is not a salvation issue anyway. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72142978 United States05/02/2016 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm as sure as I can be. You are going to go wherever the first "Christ" arrives with supernatural powers. The first "Christ" that arrives is satan playing the part of Jesus. So...that on fact makes you a satan worshiper whether inadvertent or not. Sorry...it just does. Then that should be documented in Scripture. Show me where it teaches this. Show me... Show me... Show me Go get a real KJV bible, throw away the remake copy that the false doctrine preachers told you to use. Then look it up for yourself. We are not to throw the pearls of God's wisdom before swine... so keep oinking away. If you want to know then spend the countless hours we have spent studying and praying for understanding. We didn't learn nor do we continue learning in order to debate the lazy swine with our knowledge. We are well aware you will debate even what you DON'T believe just to argue. We don't have time. There are plenty of students who DO need our help, and wait eagerly for you to get out of their way so they can learn. John 3:16-19 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72099759 The Words of Jesus Christ King James Version (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. New King James Version (NKJV) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. New International Version (NIV) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. New American Standard Bible (NASB) For God so loved the world, that He gave His [fn]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. English Standard Version (ESV) For God so loved the world, [fn] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What I am attempting to do is refute the false and dangerous rapture philosophy/theory and present the truth. Quoting: Osmium76 Unless Your opinion is wrong in which case then, You declare the Purpose and Will of God to be False because You say so... I am sorry. I have to address you. You seem to be seeking attention, so will before I go. IT IS NOT MY OPINION. I cited fact to support Jesus's claim. Unless Your opinion is wrong in which case then, You declare the Purpose and Will of God to be False because You say so... Continuing to post this does not validate anything of purpose. I have already said I have used Christ's own words through scripture to support the topic of this thread. You don't call me a liar, you call Christ a liar. You are saying the facts that I present are not what Christ said. You are wrong and scripture has already proven this to be the case. These are NOT my opinions. This is what scripture says. You can try to supposition fact to be opinion all day long, but your folly will be manifest for all to see. Instead of speculating that these are my opinions, you can easily pick up a bible and verify these FACTS for yourself. Doing so would be much more constructive. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72142978 United States05/02/2016 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It most certainly is ONE FALSE DOCTRINE, if not THE ONE! Quoting: Osmium76 Everyone is so eager to jump on the Rapture train without thought to this regard. As I have shown through scripture, a Rapture is a false hope in something that we are ALREADY assured of as long as you are being led by the SPIRIT. The only people who would endorse a Rapture view are those who fail to see this, because they are being led by the FLESH. Once an individual sees this truth, they are then able to see why belief in a Rapture leads to destruction. Those led by the SPIRIT know that no matter what as long as they remain in the SPIRIT they have nothing to fear from the upcoming time of tribulation that will test the hearts and minds of men. They believe and are assured by Faith that they will not be discounted in the day of wrath, but rewarded. Take Peter. He steadfastly told Christ that he would stand by him. What did Christ say? Before the cock crows thrice, you will deny me! Rapturists are doing the same. They say they are for Christ, but at the time when they are asked to prove it, they want someone to step in so they don't have to suffer. RAPTURISTS ARE LIKE PETER. THEY DENY CHRIST. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13650650 United States05/02/2016 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hebrews 9:27King James Version (KJV) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: ----------------------------- says there very clearly that every man is appointed to die once. . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72142978 United States05/02/2016 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YES. I believe this is true. Quoting: Osmium76 The signs we are told to watch for are present. You only need to look at the various threads on her that point to the intensity and fervor of what we are told is to transpire. Time is at hand or very close in which we need to set our house in order if we have not done so. Time for what?! YOU KNOW Christ can't come for awhile yet, RIGHT?! |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States05/02/2016 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, there is a rapture..the bible tells us about it and also God specifically told me Himself. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa It happens at the last trump.....none of us know exactly when that is tho. Ok, Lisa That is NOT a "RAPTURE". To say such only adds confusion, because if you support it being a Rapture, you add validation to others claiming the pre and mid tribulation Rapture. That is their champion term to endorse something that the bible quite clearly shows will NOT occur. Using that term only adds confusion and is one of the things that draw people down a path of destruction. Christ is coming back and we will go out to welcome Him. He isn't coming back to only come halfway. We will meet Him. He is coming to us! We are His Saints and His welcoming committee. An example of this would be if you were going to the supermarket to buy food. You don't get to the store, walk up to the door and then turn around and leave again. NO. You go in and do what you came there to do. So too will Christ on His return. He isn't only coming halfway and then turning back. We will be like the people at Walmart. You know, the GREETERS YOU MEET WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR? Are you aware that when Jesus was resurrected the tombs were open and those Saints were resurrected alongside him and walked among the people too? These are the first fruits that arose with Jesus at that time and they sit in judgment. As for the scripture that show those being raised up, they are dead. They will be raised out of the grave. Those who are alive will be transformed too at that time, but don't need to be raised up, because they are alive when Christ returns. They will simply die to the flesh and take on the whole spirit and armor of God. Then they will go and greet Christ out in the open as He DESCENDS. Yes, there is a rapture. And the rapture isn't the second coming of Christ........He doesn't come back here until the end........after the judgement and the bowls of wrath have been poured out. That's when He comes back. The rapture isn't that. The rapture is the catching away of the bride before the wrath is poured out. I believe it's at the midway point of the final 7 years. The bride is taken away.....we meet the Lord in the air. He doesn't come down here for that, we go up there. He doesn't come here until the end. This is what the bible says, this is the truth even if you don't believe it. It's ok if you don't believe it, but it is the truth. I've studied so long, so hard, and for so many years. God bless you........I refuse to debate or argue this point with anyone. It is what it is.....and believing it or not is not a salvation issue anyway. You are entitled to your belief. I will say this. You claim it isn't a salvation issue. I posit that you are wrong! This Rapture Theory quite possibly if not IS, the great deception we are warned to NOT believe. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. Thank you for stopping by. I realize that what I have shown is a threat to your theory. If it offends you then you should be open to testing the spirit from whence it comes, especially since it is brought to you through scripture of Christ's own words. It is your obligation and burden to disprove or prove all things and no one can do that for you. May God see fit to bless you and may you always grow in knowledge and truth, edifying others, offering reproof and proving all things to be scriptural accurate. |
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