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RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22

 
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Please read Matthew and Revelation they are talking about the return of Christ and are parallel with one another the saints do not appear in heaven until after the 6th seal is broken then Jesus returns and the 7th seal is broken which begins the final judgements on the earth and Gods wrath. Those in Christ are not subject to Gods wrath but are very subject to tribulation.
This tribulation or time of trouble will be happening soon starting with the global economy collapsing this year leading to the one world government.

The pre-trip rapture is a deception from Jesuit priests this is what causes the falling away. It's pre-wrath not pre-trib.

Prepare your hearts and your families these will be difficult times very soon.
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The whole basis of the Rapture THEORY is that a Rapture is going to "save" them from the coming wrath and tribulation. The problem with this, is that the desire to be "saved" is a carnal ambition. It is derived from a human emotion tied to a human body. It is not a spiritual ambition.

People who have spiritual insight realize that they don't need to be "saved". They are aware that they already are, as they are spiritually bonded to Jesus Christ. It is only the carnal mind that looks for salvation where it already exists rejecting that fact.

THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE THEORY IS SO DANGEROUS! IT DOESN'T OFFER SALVATION, INSTEAD IT IS A DENIAL OF THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD AND IS A DOOR TO DEATH. IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION!!
 Quoting: Osmium76


Jesus asked us to ask to escape the coming wrath:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36
 Quoting: Okaywah


Yes. He did. Scripture does say that some Saints will come through the tribulation unscathed.
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Ooh yeah baby.

Jesus is coming back and he will fix everything wrong in this world for you!

Surely you don't need to take responsibilities and do something on your own because the end is nigh and Daddy will take care of everything.


Go back to sleep and do not, I repeat, DO NOT, try to make this world a better place. (SARCASM)
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The whole basis of the Rapture THEORY is that a Rapture is going to "save" them from the coming wrath and tribulation. The problem with this, is that the desire to be "saved" is a carnal ambition. It is derived from a human emotion tied to a human body. It is not a spiritual ambition.

People who have spiritual insight realize that they don't need to be "saved". They are aware that they already are, as they are spiritually bonded to Jesus Christ. It is only the carnal mind that looks for salvation where it already exists rejecting that fact.

THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE THEORY IS SO DANGEROUS! IT DOESN'T OFFER SALVATION, INSTEAD IT IS A DENIAL OF THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD AND IS A DOOR TO DEATH. IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION!!
 Quoting: Osmium76


Jesus asked us to ask to escape the coming wrath:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36
 Quoting: Okaywah


Yes. He did. Scripture does say that some Saints will come through the tribulation unscathed.
 Quoting: Osmium76


Then why did Jesus say this?:

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." Matthew 24:42
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"In The Last Days Biblical Changes in the World" Rapture will Occur2016 + Return of Messiah?
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Please read Matthew and Revelation they are talking about the return of Christ and are parallel with one another the saints do not appear in heaven until after the 6th seal is broken then Jesus returns and the 7th seal is broken which begins the final judgements on the earth and Gods wrath. Those in Christ are not subject to Gods wrath but are very subject to tribulation.
This tribulation or time of trouble will be happening soon starting with the global economy collapsing this year leading to the one world government.

The pre-trip rapture is a deception from Jesuit priests this is what causes the falling away. It's pre-wrath not pre-trib.

Prepare your hearts and your families these will be difficult times very soon.
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Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome. They are already here.

I have read both books extensively. From what I have divulged from scripture, There is NO Rapture. It is a false teaching. Jesus only returns ONCE at His second coming and it is at the end of the tribulation period which according to scripture is a 7 year period.

There is NO third coming and scripture is clear that every eye will behold Him when He does return.
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Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome.
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People have been saying this since the birth of man.

what's different this time?
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Tribulation has been going on for a long time and there is One Coming , A man in the 1800 confused the truth hf



Thanks for verses , then those terrible movies came out , I could never get past 1 minute of them hf
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The whole basis of the Rapture THEORY is that a Rapture is going to "save" them from the coming wrath and tribulation. The problem with this, is that the desire to be "saved" is a carnal ambition. It is derived from a human emotion tied to a human body. It is not a spiritual ambition.

People who have spiritual insight realize that they don't need to be "saved". They are aware that they already are, as they are spiritually bonded to Jesus Christ. It is only the carnal mind that looks for salvation where it already exists rejecting that fact.

THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE THEORY IS SO DANGEROUS! IT DOESN'T OFFER SALVATION, INSTEAD IT IS A DENIAL OF THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD AND IS A DOOR TO DEATH. IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION!!
 Quoting: Osmium76


Jesus asked us to ask to escape the coming wrath:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36
 Quoting: Okaywah


Yes. He did. Scripture does say that some Saints will come through the tribulation unscathed.
 Quoting: Osmium76


Then why did Jesus say this?:

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." Matthew 24:42
 Quoting: Okaywah


As a Saint, you are supposed to stay vigilant. Do NOT let your cares of life draw you into the world. Do NOT allow others to undermine His authority. Do NOT let evil get you off track. Warn others of their folly. Keep edifying those who also are Saints so that they are not led astray by confusing and contrary doctrine.

This is what He meant by keep watch.

Satan is prowling around like a hungry lion.
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OP, there is a rapture..the bible tells us about it and also God specifically told me Himself.

It happens at the last trump.....none of us know exactly when that is tho.
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Rapture is a word that has been used in Hollywoid Movies and has been truly mis-understood.

Before the Apostle Paul was a Saint iof GOD and a prophet to the Gentiles he as Saul a persecution of Jesus Christ and Christians. He had a rapture experience, he was caught up with Jesus and blinded until he came to the spiritual knowledge of the Gospel.

He also said in Corinthians he knew a Man that was caught up to heaven and wether he was in the body or out he did not know.

The Rapture is Spirit Catching away with a soon glorified resurrected body.
Flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom of GOD the spirit does.
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Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome.
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People have been saying this since the birth of man.

what's different this time?
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Do you really need me to answer that question? Do you not know?

Man has come to the brink of destroying us like at no time prior to this age. That is one little part of much more. The list is quite long and I can't believe that you don't know the answer to your own question.
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Jesus asked us to ask to escape the coming wrath:

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36
 Quoting: Okaywah


Yes. He did. Scripture does say that some Saints will come through the tribulation unscathed.
 Quoting: Osmium76


Then why did Jesus say this?:

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." Matthew 24:42
 Quoting: Okaywah


As a Saint, you are supposed to stay vigilant. Do NOT let your cares of life draw you into the world. Do NOT allow others to undermine His authority. Do NOT let evil get you off track. Warn others of their folly. Keep edifying those who also are Saints so that they are not led astray by confusing and contrary doctrine.

This is what He meant by keep watch.

Satan is prowling around like a hungry lion.
 Quoting: Osmium76


Or did Jesus mean by saying "...Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." that He might come at any moment?
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I have a niece who has been looking into the Rapture. I had to set her down and explain why it is not biblical. I think she saw reason and accepted the scripture she was shown which supports this fact.
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then you have lied to her, and led her astray just as you are attempting to do with others on this thread.

hopefully your niece and those who stumble upon this thread don't rely upon your flawed theology and misinterpretation of scriptures. People should search the scriptures for themselves and come to their own conclusions rather than accept your biased and skewed views which are very incorrect.

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Before the Apostle Paul was a Saint iof GOD and a prophet to the Gentiles he as Saul a persecution of Jesus Christ and Christians. He had a rapture experience, he was caught up with Jesus and blinded until he came to the spiritual knowledge of the Gospel.

He also said in Corinthians he knew a Man that was caught up to heaven and wether he was in the body or out he did not know.

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And Enoch was raptured before the flood - because of his faith.

"By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: 'He could not be found, because God had taken him away.' For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God." Hebrews 11:5
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Do you really need me to answer that question? Do you not know?

Man has come to the brink of destroying us like at no time prior to this age. That is one little part of much more. The list is quite long and I can't believe that you don't know the answer to your own question.
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No I mean seriously.

The cold war started 70 years ago and then we really were on the brink of destroying ourselves.

So. 70 years ago. One full lifetime. If the end was nigh then we already had 70 years to see it unravel.

Instead of that, it seems that no one is going to saves us from ourselves and that we are the ones who should start to do so.

But thank you for propagating a message basically saying it's all over already and nothing we can do will change a thing. Thank you for supporting a disempowering view of Christianity claiming everyone should run for their lives and wait for Jesus to fix everything.
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OP, there is a rapture..the bible tells us about it and also God specifically told me Himself.

It happens at the last trump.....none of us know exactly when that is tho.
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Lisa.

What you are referring to is the end of the age. It isn't the Rapture, it is called Judgment according to scripture.

Hebrews 9
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Christ is our mediator before God. He covers our sin.
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Please read Matthew and Revelation they are talking about the return of Christ and are parallel with one another the saints do not appear in heaven until after the 6th seal is broken then Jesus returns and the 7th seal is broken which begins the final judgements on the earth and Gods wrath. Those in Christ are not subject to Gods wrath but are very subject to tribulation.
This tribulation or time of trouble will be happening soon starting with the global economy collapsing this year leading to the one world government.

The pre-trip rapture is a deception from Jesuit priests this is what causes the falling away. It's pre-wrath not pre-trib.

Prepare your hearts and your families these will be difficult times very soon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70751604


Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome. They are already here.

I have read both books extensively. From what I have divulged from scripture, There is NO Rapture. It is a false teaching. Jesus only returns ONCE at His second coming and it is at the end of the tribulation period which according to scripture is a 7 year period.

There is NO third coming and scripture is clear that every eye will behold Him when He does return.
 Quoting: Osmium76


Where did I claim there was a 2nd or 3rd coming? please go back and read My post, the Lord returns ONE time after the 6 seal is broken Jesus returns and we are removed BEFORE the bowls of wrath but we will go through terrible tribulation that hasn't even begun to start. Many will die or take the mark of the beast, the one world government and anti Christ will appear before the Lord returns. The abomination of desolation happens and that is when the lord returns to gather his elect from the four winds. Those that are alive and remain will be taken up, most Christains will die during the tribulation, that is the purification - the tribulation. Just like it has been over and over again through scripture. If there was a pre- trib rapture most people would be found unworthy.
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Rapture.

People who believe in a Rapture condemn themselves and others. This isn't a judgment on my part, but quite simply it is a fact as explained below.

They claim they await A SPECIAL return of Jesus Christ at which time He will whisk them away before or at mid tribulation.

Rapturists essentially place themselves on a pedestal, claiming an entitlement to glory and honor. They claim salvation is assured and reserved for them and that they are entitled to a special distinction. This literally is a refusal to acknowledge that God is the only One who has the authority to make that distinction. By way of the Rapture, they have already judged themselves worthy, prior, to the judgment that God says is to take place AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Really? REALLY!!

In so doing, they in essence are passing judgment, not only upon themselves, but also upon those who would be left behind or who might disagree with the non biblical and non scriptural Rapture theory. They magnify themselves while condemning those who "would be" left behind.

The whole basis of the Rapture THEORY is that a Rapture is going to "save" them from the coming wrath and tribulation. The problem with this, is that the desire to be "saved" is a carnal ambition. It is derived from a human emotion tied to a human body. It is not a spiritual ambition.

People who have spiritual insight realize that they don't need to be "saved". They are aware that they already are, as they are spiritually bonded to Jesus Christ. It is only the carnal mind that looks for salvation where it already exists rejecting that fact.

THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE THEORY IS SO DANGEROUS! IT DOESN'T OFFER SALVATION, INSTEAD IT IS A DENIAL OF THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD AND IS A DOOR TO DEATH. IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION!!


Consider the following scripture.


Romans 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Control by the Spirit
(Galatians 5:16-26)

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Heirs with Christ
(Genesis 21:1-8; Galatians 4:1-7)

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Having read Romans, you can see that those who believe in the Rapture are not being led by the Spirit. For some reason, they believe that God should send His Son to save them, when in fact He didn't do so for his own Son. As believers in Christ, we are told that we too will suffer the same afflictions. We are told that as Saints, many will lose our lives for our belief and faith, even during the tribulation.

Matthew 5:10King James Version (KJV)

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Mark 13:13King James Version (KJV)

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luke 9:23-25King James Version (KJV)

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?


Philippians 1:29King James Version (KJV)

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Philippians 3:8-11King James Version (KJV)

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

People of faith need to understand this. The tribulation isn't simply a means to destroy the wicked on earth. The tribulation is a test of our faith. Anyone who believes that they can escape the tribulation denies Christ. They show they do not believe in the power of resurrection. They are looking for an easy out. Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. They are being led by carnal motivation which results in death. They want Christ to save them, rather than taking up and bearing the same cross He did. Christ wants to know that we are willing to sacrifice ourselves FOR Him as He did for us. We must be willing to face and overcome death as Christ himself did.

Rapturists who want to be saved, want to skip all of the testing of the heart of men prior to the harvest. This literally makes them tares in the wheat and they will be plucked up and burnt, because they are taking the path that leads to destruction.

Consider Christs' own words.


Luke 17
33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Matthew 13
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 24
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

AS SCRIPTURE SAYS. JESUS CHRIST COMES AFTER THE TRIBULATION, NOT DURING AND NOT BEFORE. SO WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE? JESUS? OR SOMEONE WHO COMES BEARING A RAPTURE PHILOSOPHY THAT ISN'T BIBLICAL?

Colossians 2
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Psalm 91 Shows the Power and Glory of God and his ability to shelter you through adversity and yes, even the tribulation.

My Refuge and My Fortress
Psalm 91

1He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.


9Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
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well, it's not about being better than anyone, it's about faith, and believe in Jesus, Jesus died for your sins,if you can't believe that and show respect to God and his son them yeah, maybe hell. is what you deserve.

everyone sin, this is why all you have to do is believe that jesus died for your sins,and try to live better, is that hard?

if you created a life forms, and you sent your son to die for them and they denied you, would you give them Heaven? I mean it's about respect.
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OP just so you know, claiming we are in the biblical end times is both irresponsible and dangerous.

Just like the belief in rapture you attack in your OP.


It seems you are blind about the irony of your posts here.

"Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"
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Re: RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22
What I am attempting to do is refute the false and dangerous rapture philosophy/theory and present the truth.
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9teen And your not doing a very good job of it, which is hardly surprising because you are railing against biblical teaching. Where do you think that much of your support comes from? It comes from lukewarm Christians who want to continue as they are and then turn to the Lord and get saved "at the last minute." Well it doesn't work that way and it never did.

Luk 21:25 ¶ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Re: RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22
Please read Matthew and Revelation they are talking about the return of Christ and are parallel with one another the saints do not appear in heaven until after the 6th seal is broken then Jesus returns and the 7th seal is broken which begins the final judgements on the earth and Gods wrath. Those in Christ are not subject to Gods wrath but are very subject to tribulation.
This tribulation or time of trouble will be happening soon starting with the global economy collapsing this year leading to the one world government.

The pre-trip rapture is a deception from Jesuit priests this is what causes the falling away. It's pre-wrath not pre-trib.

Prepare your hearts and your families these will be difficult times very soon.
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Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome. They are already here.

I have read both books extensively. From what I have divulged from scripture, There is NO Rapture. It is a false teaching. Jesus only returns ONCE at His second coming and it is at the end of the tribulation period which according to scripture is a 7 year period.

There is NO third coming and scripture is clear that every eye will behold Him when He does return.
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Where did I claim there was a 2nd or 3rd coming? please go back and read My post, the Lord returns ONE time after the 6 seal is broken Jesus returns and we are removed BEFORE the bowls of wrath but we will go through terrible tribulation that hasn't even begun to start. Many will die or take the mark of the beast, the one world government and anti Christ will appear before the Lord returns. The abomination of desolation happens and that is when the lord returns to gather his elect from the four winds. Those that are alive and remain will be taken up, most Christains will die during the tribulation, that is the purification - the tribulation. Just like it has been over and over again through scripture. If there was a pre- trib rapture most people would be found unworthy.
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WRONG.

Scripture does not say that.

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Clearly scripture refutes what you claim.
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Nicely done thread.
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Someone get him a towel......yeahsure
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Re: RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22
Rapture.

People who believe in a Rapture condemn themselves and others. This isn't a judgment on my part, but quite simply it is a fact as explained below.

They claim they await A SPECIAL return of Jesus Christ at which time He will whisk them away before or at mid tribulation.

Rapturists essentially place themselves on a pedestal, claiming an entitlement to glory and honor. They claim salvation is assured and reserved for them and that they are entitled to a special distinction. This literally is a refusal to acknowledge that God is the only One who has the authority to make that distinction. By way of the Rapture, they have already judged themselves worthy, prior, to the judgment that God says is to take place AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Really? REALLY!!

In so doing, they in essence are passing judgment, not only upon themselves, but also upon those who would be left behind or who might disagree with the non biblical and non scriptural Rapture theory. They magnify themselves while condemning those who "would be" left behind.

The whole basis of the Rapture THEORY is that a Rapture is going to "save" them from the coming wrath and tribulation. The problem with this, is that the desire to be "saved" is a carnal ambition. It is derived from a human emotion tied to a human body. It is not a spiritual ambition.

People who have spiritual insight realize that they don't need to be "saved". They are aware that they already are, as they are spiritually bonded to Jesus Christ. It is only the carnal mind that looks for salvation where it already exists rejecting that fact.

THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE THEORY IS SO DANGEROUS! IT DOESN'T OFFER SALVATION, INSTEAD IT IS A DENIAL OF THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD AND IS A DOOR TO DEATH. IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION!!


Consider the following scripture.


Romans 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Control by the Spirit
(Galatians 5:16-26)

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Heirs with Christ
(Genesis 21:1-8; Galatians 4:1-7)

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Having read Romans, you can see that those who believe in the Rapture are not being led by the Spirit. For some reason, they believe that God should send His Son to save them, when in fact He didn't do so for his own Son. As believers in Christ, we are told that we too will suffer the same afflictions. We are told that as Saints, many will lose our lives for our belief and faith, even during the tribulation.

Matthew 5:10King James Version (KJV)

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Mark 13:13King James Version (KJV)

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luke 9:23-25King James Version (KJV)

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?


Philippians 1:29King James Version (KJV)

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Philippians 3:8-11King James Version (KJV)

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

People of faith need to understand this. The tribulation isn't simply a means to destroy the wicked on earth. The tribulation is a test of our faith. Anyone who believes that they can escape the tribulation denies Christ. They show they do not believe in the power of resurrection. They are looking for an easy out. Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. They are being led by carnal motivation which results in death. They want Christ to save them, rather than taking up and bearing the same cross He did. Christ wants to know that we are willing to sacrifice ourselves FOR Him as He did for us. We must be willing to face and overcome death as Christ himself did.

Rapturists who want to be saved, want to skip all of the testing of the heart of men prior to the harvest. This literally makes them tares in the wheat and they will be plucked up and burnt, because they are taking the path that leads to destruction.

Consider Christs' own words.


Luke 17
33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Matthew 13
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 24
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

AS SCRIPTURE SAYS. JESUS CHRIST COMES AFTER THE TRIBULATION, NOT DURING AND NOT BEFORE. SO WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE? JESUS? OR SOMEONE WHO COMES BEARING A RAPTURE PHILOSOPHY THAT ISN'T BIBLICAL?

Colossians 2
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Psalm 91 Shows the Power and Glory of God and his ability to shelter you through adversity and yes, even the tribulation.

My Refuge and My Fortress
Psalm 91

1He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.


9Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
 Quoting: Osmium76


well, it's not about being better than anyone, it's about faith, and believe in Jesus, Jesus died for your sins,if you can't believe that and show respect to God and his son them yeah, maybe hell. is what you deserve.

everyone sin, this is why all you have to do is believe that jesus died for your sins,and try to live better, is that hard?

if you created a life forms, and you sent your son to die for them and they denied you, would you give them Heaven? I mean it's about respect.
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we do not believe we are special if we wait for the rapture and belive we will be ruptured, we just believe that God would not torture the people who followed him in their life.

why would I a believer and who has been saved, be stuck here during tribulation with say the people who denied God, their whole life?

does that seem fair? God gives Rewards for your faith, it's in the bible, read it. so to say that God wouldn't reward his people with a rapture, so they can avoid the he'll of the tribulation doesn't seem that far fetched.

people who denied the rapture are the ones who want rewards for living a unfaithful life.

God even said that some will still be saved during the rapture, it will be hard, but can happen.

so for you to stick the unfaithful, on the same status as a faithful person is wrong.

denied the rapture all you want, if it happens then the faithful win, if he doesn't happen then so what, we will all be in the same boat.

so I guess the faithful have at least a slim chance in a rapture, where as the unfaithful well they have no chance at all.

so rapture or not, one will be blessed with a rapture or both will be left behind.

same thing with believing if there is a god, maybe there is Mayne not, but if a believeer is wrong so what they lose nothing, but if a non believer is wrong they lose everything.


do why not cover your bases and just believe?

it's not that hard, then you have a chance at heaven.

you know why they don't believe? Ego, that's right, Ego, same with the rapture, their Ego, won't let them believe.
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Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome.
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People have been saying this since the birth of man.

what's different this time?
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"THIS" Nuclear Plants built on Earthquake Faults / Near Ocean - Tsumami / Volcanoes / Landslides / Sinkholes / Pollution and Mass Animal Die Offs FYI the Planet Earth has recently shifted off it's Axis (Scientific Fact) The Sun is White instead of Yellow and is rising too far North (many people have observed this) / Strange Trump Sounds heard all power the World / Unexplained Booms heard all over the World...Global Nuclear Radiation Crisis killing off the Pacific Ocean and Marine Life since March 11 2011
[link to Enenews.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to EarthquakeTrack.com] lflash
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OP,

Of course I will help you..I am not attacking you, I want you to be aware of those that are attacking you my friend..

Many people on GLP are rabid un-believers who are just here to attack Christians...

Be back...need coffee. It's early!,
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That is kind.

Of course, that doesn't mean that I believe that you are an authority.

Scripture will divide the truth of that matter though.
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Times indeed are coming that will be troublesome.
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People have been saying this since the birth of man.

what's different this time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099

"THIS" Nuclear Plants built on Earthquake Faults / Near Ocean - Tsumami / Volcanoes / Landslides / Sinkholes / Pollution and Mass Animal Die Offs FYI the Planet Earth has recently shifted off it's Axis (Scientific Fact) The Sun is White instead of Yellow and is rising too far North (many people have observed this) / Strange Trump Sounds heard all power the World / Unexplained Booms heard all over the World...Global Nuclear Radiation Crisis killing off the Pacific Ocean and Marine Life since March 11 2011
[link to Enenews.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to EarthquakeTrack.com] lflash
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Nothing new under the sun.



There has been people like you claiming it's the end times since the birth of man.

Literally.


your kind aren't even original





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