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RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22

 
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Amount of people who changed their mind because of the massive walls of text and random videos = 0

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Yes, there is something about pearls and swine to be said of this.

However, people with a brain reading this thread, led here through internet searches and asking questions and wanting answers won't be able to refute that a rapture event will never take place if they do the work to learn this fact.

The bible clearly shows that a rapture is not going to occur. The rapture is basically akin to a Nigerian scam made to steal your salvation.

It is up to the individual to discern the bullshit from what is and isn't.
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Study Topic: The secret rapture - False hope for end-time Christians!
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"NO Such Thing as a Secert Rapture of the Church!"


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"NO Such Thing as a Secert Rapture of the Church!"


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 Quoting: Osmium76


RAPTURE WAS A TEMPORARY INVASION OF A SPECIFIC RACE COLLECTING HUMANS FOR FLESH.
IT WAS AN ANCIENT STAR FLEET OF A VER ADVANCED RACE.
THEY WERE ALLOW TO COLLECT THEM BY THE FLESH FOR SLAVERY AND FLESH

BECAUSE MANKIND WAS DEEPLY IN THE EGO. BY THE FEDERATION ALL LIGHT ( IT IS KNOWN UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES)

SO RAPTURE IS NOT CYCLICAL AS SOME ARE SAYING THERE
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We are warned with scripture not to be taken in by false teaching.

Colossians 2 (KJV)
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

My input on the rapture philosophy.

The rapture doctrine is in contention with what Jesus Christ Himself says. Scripture will support scripture. The rapture theory or philosophy is nowhere given by Jesus. All other scripture MUST agree with His testimony otherwise you Crucify Christ.

A house divided against itself cannot stand and the rapture doctrine does not coincide with what Jesus says, therefore, it fails the test and His truth stands as it MUST. Every scripture attributed to a rapture fails this test. What passes is that each scripture DOES coincide with what Jesus Christ has said will come about.

What are his words? Matthew 24:29-31 are the context we must apply to other scripture, because it is impossible for God to lie and we know that Jesus Christ was without blemish. Therefore, we hold ONLY to His testimony on this. Everything else must be patterned after His testimony, everything else will compliment what He SAYS!! If an individual reads scripture and they attempt to apply any other meaning, the scripture will not hold up. If it otherwise does NOT compliment what Jesus says , this is how you know it is NOT of God, but is of men.

The scriptural accounts in the bible of others spreading the gospel with regard to end times events surrounding the tribulation period are given according to the instruction of Jesus Christ. Therefore we have the context in which to to apply their meaning. The teacher will by no means be undone by the disciple. Rather, they will bear HIM up.

So, when applying scripture, LOOK TO JESUS FOR WHAT IT SAYS, (He is without sin and without fault and as I said disregarding what He says means you crucify Him a second time.) Lean not on your own understanding nor ascribe to your own imagination.
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6 Days

Sundown on Friday.
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I don't know.

I hope so.
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The only thing that going to happen on friday is the rapture fail list will be inevitably lengthened and there will be no apologies or humility from the rapture crowd and within a week a new date will be set.

Rinse repeat.

Btw not being sarcastic just stating facts.

I will be here next saturday to quote this.

Continue.
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1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words.

 Quoting: Osmium76


This excerpt does not mention the Day of the Lord or the Day of Christ. But I think this is the Day of Christ, and the Day of the Lord begins immediately after this Pre-Trib rapture seen here. I believe the "Coming of the Lord" encompasses both the Day of Christ and the Day of the Lord, which I see as separate programs that could possible overlap in time. The Day of Christ is a time of blessing for the Church, and the Day of the Lord is a time of judgment for the world.

It's hard to comfort someone if he will have to endure the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, to be overcome by Satan and his Antichrist, to be made war against, to suffer the wrath of Satan, to be denied all commerce due to not accepting the Mark of the Beast, to be hunted down like animals continually, and to likely become a martyr. There is nothing comforting about those words at all. But Paul wasn't comforting the Thessalonians with words abut the Tribulation, he was comforting them with words of escaping the time and hour of the Tribulation.

“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth”- Revelation 3:10

2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4

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Paul says here that the Day of the Lord will not come until the falling away/departing happens first, and then the Antichrist is revealed, which is the beginning of the Day of the Lord. So what precedes this Day? The 'departing,' which is an older translation than 'falling away' found in the KJV.

”3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion”- Tyndale Bible (1525)

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences.

 Quoting: Osmium76

1 Thess 4 talks about the rapture before the Tribulation. But you don't believe the rapture will happen at any time. In this chapter the rapture is the 'harpazo.' I'm curious how you define the harpazo if you do not believe in the harpazo?

2 Thess 2 talks about the fact that the 'departing' happens before the Day of the Lord begins.

Matt 24 talks about the Second Advent after the Tribulation, well into the Day of the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS.

There is NO RAPTURE.

Scripture agrees with scripture.

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Yes, scripture does agree with scripture. And you are still wrong.

There have been a few raptures already, and there will be one again. Enoch was raptured. Elijah was raptured. Yahshua(Jesus) was raptured. And we believers(true Christians) will also be raptured. That much is clear. It's only a question of timing.

There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below.

Matthew 27
45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
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The First Resurrection comes in multiple parts, and I think that causes some confusion.

1. Yahshua was resurrected. He was the First Fruits of the resurrection. First Fruits is an important Jewish concept that helps us understand Yahweh's programs. The harvest in Israel was also a multi-part harvest. Not just one harvest, but 3 separate harvests. The harvest of souls will also be a multi-part harvest. Yahweh gives us these clues to help us learn His Word.

2. The saints that were resurrected at the time of Yahshua's resurrection, as you've noted above.

3. The Pre-Trib rapture of the New Covenant Church(bride) saints.

4. The Post-Trib rapture of the Tribulation(mostly martyrs) saints & the Old Testament saints. (this group are all from the same Old Covenant Dispensation, BTW. 69 Weeks + 1 Week = 70 Weeks)

The First Resurrection is not a description of numerical significance, it is a grouping according to its relation to the Millennial Kingdom. The First Resurrection includes all resurrections that happen before the Millennium. The Second Resurrection is after the Millennium, and is for the damned only. It then leads to the Second Death.
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The day of the Lord is all there is. there is NO rapture.

As for when the tombs were open at Jesus Christ's own Resurrection, Someone corrected me on that already. I agree with them after checking scripture. IT IS NOT. The First Resurrection is when Jesus Christ comes back. OTHERWISE KNOW AS THE DAY OF THE LORD.

I don't know if people are getting things messed up because of this rapture bull crap, I think some are. There is NOT going to be a rapture. There will be A SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST, BUT NOT A THIRD AND HE DOES NOT TAKE PEOPLE UNTIL HE COMES BACK. AGAIN. THE DAY OF THE LORD. Every scripture that people want to claim is some rapture crap is talking about either the dead in Christ, the tribulation or the day of the Lord. There simply isn't anything else in there. Anyone worth thier salt will validate this and find it is true. If you don't, or can't find it, then there must be a reason for you to be blind to it.

Unlike the rapture, the day of the lord is mentioned MANY MANY TIMES!!

For those that still don't get it, carry on. As the bible says you will......as in the days of Noah. Only God or you can change your mind and open your eyes.

Good luck. I am didn't make this thread to argue with foolish acting people. I made it so that some people who might have question about these things actually see what scripture says, instead of what man wants to read into it.

You are supposed to question your belief to make sure it is what it should be and not what man, you or others want it to be or mean. It is supposed to be what God wants and clearly He has chosen not to show some people the truth, even when it is staring them in the face.
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The Day of the Lord lasts from the beginning of the Tribulation, when the Antichrist is unleashed, until the heavens and the earth are burned up after the Great White Throne of judgment. The rapture happens just before the Day of the Lord.

The First Resurrection is when any believer is resurrected, period. The Second Resurrection is for the lost only.

There is no 'bull crap' about the harpazo. It is plain as day. The only question is it's timing. When do you think we will be in our Father's House in heaven if there is no rapture ever? You offer no explanation or answer.

You claim to be so right about this and everyone else is so wrong, even after you admit that you were wrong about those who rose from the dead with Christ. If you were wrong about that, you can also be wrong about other things too. I don't claim to be right about everything like you did before. I just think the Pre-Trib. rapture is more likely to be the more accurate position than the Post-Trib position.

Your appeal to worthiness is simply a fallacy, as someone would have to toe the line with you for you to deem them 'worth their salt.' I have invalidated your position over and over again, and find your position to be false. And I do know you are blind to it, and that's OK. You can have your opinion and it doesn't change your salvation, although you may lose a crown for it. I'm more interested in other readers. They deserve a chance to see the truth and not be led astray by you.

The rapture is mentioned primarily in the New Testament. The Day of the Lord is given to judgment and is spoken often of in both the Old and New Testaments. It is a time for Israel and the lost. It is not a time for us. No one on earth will be saved the moment after the rapture happens. The entire world that is left behind will be lost. Only then will the Tribulation begin. Thank the Lord some will see the truth then and get saved. Most will not at that time. "Those who dwell upon the earth" is a phrase that Yahshua(Jesus) uses when referring to unbelievers only, not His people. That is a clue. When you see that phrase used, you know He is speaking of unbelievers, not His church.

"In the days of Noah" refers to people ignoring God's warnings. And I think it may also refer to a time of great sin and demonic tampering. It does not refer to people earnestly looking for the truth, even if they are mistaken. You see, this is another example of you twisting scriptures to your own ends without respect to what they really mean.

There is nothing foolish about searching the scriptures daily. I'm sorry you can't see that you yourself fall into the behavior that you so rail against. I won't call it hypocrisy. I'll let you examine it yourself.

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"NO Such Thing as a Secert Rapture of the Church!"


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You're right! When it happens (pre-trib) the whole world will know! Nothing secret here at all!
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Amount of people who changed their mind because of the massive walls of text and random videos = 0

End thread.
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If we don't offer mountains of biblical support for our Pre-Trib position, we are accused of conjecture and lies.

But if we do then offer mountains of biblical support for the Pre-Trib position, someone such as yourself complains about walls of text.

You can't make everyone happy, nor can you have it both ways.

But I think this discussion allows people to see the different positions so that they can make a more informed decision about what was discussed.
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Amount of people who changed their mind because of the massive walls of text and random videos = 0

End thread.
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Yes, there is something about pearls and swine to be said of this.

However, people with a brain reading this thread, led here through internet searches and asking questions and wanting answers won't be able to refute that a rapture event will never take place if they do the work to learn this fact.

The bible clearly shows that a rapture is not going to occur. The rapture is basically akin to a Nigerian scam made to steal your salvation.

It is up to the individual to discern the bullshit from what is and isn't.
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The mention of pearls and swine is equally applicable from my perspective.

Please refrain from fallacious appeals to intelligence. It grows tiresome. Just stick with doctrines and leave your fallacies to yourself. I have done the work to learn of both sides of this discussion, and have found the non-Pre-Trib positions to be untenable.

And I don't think you really have articulated what reality looks like with no rapture whatsoever. Most Pre-Trib dissenters are either Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, or about 4 or 5 flavors of Post-Trib. Occasionally we'll get a Preterist or an Amillennialist. But your position seems to be some kind of special doctrine. Care to explain how we get to the Father's House in heaven when you proclaim there is no rapture ever? What is the definition of harpazo if there is no harpazo? Was Paul mistaken when he even mentioned the harpazo?
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Yes, there is something about pearls and swine to be said of this.
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There is? You call those believers in Jesus Christ that disagree with you swine?!

However, people with a brain reading this thread, led here through internet searches and asking questions and wanting answers won't be able to refute that a rapture event will never take place if they do the work to learn this fact.
 Quoting: Osmium76
Unless they read the verses and see the words of the believers and see the words of the deniers and come to a different conclusion than you, and therefore likewise become swine before your gracious eyes.

The bible clearly shows that a rapture is not going to occur. The rapture is basically akin to a Nigerian scam made to steal your salvation.
 Quoting: Osmium76
You refuse to see what believers plainly see and believe so easily... and really want others to not see and not believe also...


It is up to the individual to discern the bullshit from what is and isn't.
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Amen.
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Study Topic: The secret rapture - False hope for end-time Christians!
By John H. Ogwyn


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Rapture Questions Continue
Our Blessed Hope

by Chuck Missler

We continue to receive many questions concerning the "Rapture" of the church and its apparent contrast with the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ. Where does this strange view come from? Is the term "rapture" even in the Bible?

Clearly, the idea of the Rapture can be considered the most preposterous belief in Biblical Christianity. It reminds me of the famous quote by Dr. Richard Feynman, speaking of quantum physics:

I think it is safe to say that no one understands quantum mechanics... in fact, it is often stated of all the theories proposed in this century, the silliest is quantum theory. Some say that the only thing that quantum theory has going for it, in fact, is that it is unquestionably correct.

The situation regarding the doctrine of the Rapture is painfully similar.

The Harpazo

The mysterious event known as the Rapture is most clearly presented in Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians, in which he encourages the grieving Christians that, at the "great snatch," they will be reunited with those who have died in Christ before them.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. -1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

In verse 17, the English phrase "caught up" translates the Greek word Harpazo, which means "to seize upon with force" or "to snatch up."

There are those who claim that the word "rapture" isn't in their Bible. That's because they aren't using the Latin translation:

...deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus.. -1 Thessalonians 4:17 (Latin Vulgate) 1

The Latin equivalent of the Greek Harpazo is the Latin verb rapio, "to take away by force." In the Latin Vulgate, one of the oldest Bibles in existence, the appropriate tense of rapio appears in verse 17. (Raptus is the past participle of rapio, and our English words "rapt" and "rapture" stem from this past participle.)

At the Rapture, living believers will be "caught up" in the air, translated into the clouds, in a moment in time, to join the Lord in the air.

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We are warned with scripture not to be taken in by false teaching.

Colossians 2 (KJV)
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

My input on the rapture philosophy.

The rapture doctrine is in contention with what Jesus Christ Himself says. Scripture will support scripture. The rapture theory or philosophy is nowhere given by Jesus. All other scripture MUST agree with His testimony otherwise you Crucify Christ.

A house divided against itself cannot stand and the rapture doctrine does not coincide with what Jesus says, therefore, it fails the test and His truth stands as it MUST. Every scripture attributed to a rapture fails this test. What passes is that each scripture DOES coincide with what Jesus Christ has said will come about.

What are his words? Matthew 24:29-31 are the context we must apply to other scripture, because it is impossible for God to lie and we know that Jesus Christ was without blemish. Therefore, we hold ONLY to His testimony on this. Everything else must be patterned after His testimony, everything else will compliment what He SAYS!! If an individual reads scripture and they attempt to apply any other meaning, the scripture will not hold up. If it otherwise does NOT compliment what Jesus says , this is how you know it is NOT of God, but is of men.

The scriptural accounts in the bible of others spreading the gospel with regard to end times events surrounding the tribulation period are given according to the instruction of Jesus Christ. Therefore we have the context in which to to apply their meaning. The teacher will by no means be undone by the disciple. Rather, they will bear HIM up.

So, when applying scripture, LOOK TO JESUS FOR WHAT IT SAYS, (He is without sin and without fault and as I said disregarding what He says means you crucify Him a second time.) Lean not on your own understanding nor ascribe to your own imagination.

 Quoting: Osmium76


You are a man. Can you not be false?

I do not contend with Jesus Christ.

I surrender, yield to and accept completely, wholly, and trustingly to Jesus Christ.

And if You are divided against the Truth, that does not mean that You are True, yet You insist and persist against.


The Rapture is the Mystery Pre-told. Behold.

Jesus Christ Himself will most suddenly remove His Bride, His Believers, His Church, His Called-Out Ones, out of this world Himself, and to Himself, to the place that He has prepared for them, for the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, The Marriage, and to hide Her and protect Her from The Wrath, and then to return with Him as He destroys the wickedness, and rescue Israel in Fulfillment, and go into the Millennium, the 1,000 years, the Millennial Reign of Christ, when those who are His shall be with Him.
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6 Days

Sundown on Friday.
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I don't know.

I hope so.
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The only thing that going to happen on friday is the rapture fail list will be inevitably lengthened and there will be no apologies or humility from the rapture crowd and within a week a new date will be set.

Rinse repeat.

Btw not being sarcastic just stating facts.

I will be here next saturday to quote this.

Continue.
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I don't know when it is, but I hope that it is, and believer that it is one day, whenever that may be, and I would consider it the most fortunate blessing to live to see and to be one of those included so marvelously.
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Pentecost always seemed to fit to me, to make sense to me, from what i've seen, not that i matter even slightly, but we will see eventually.
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6 Days

Sundown on Friday.
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I don't know.

I hope so.
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The only thing that going to happen on friday is the rapture fail list will be inevitably lengthened and there will be no apologies or humility from the rapture crowd and within a week a new date will be set.

Rinse repeat.

Btw not being sarcastic just stating facts.

I will be here next saturday to quote this.

Continue.
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I don't know when it is, but I hope that it is, and believer that it is one day, whenever that may be, and I would consider it the most fortunate blessing to live to see and to be one of those included so marvelously.
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Yes it must do your arrogance and selfishness no end of good thinking YOU and other tards like you wont get a scratch while billions die sickeningly horrible tortures and deaths while you sing praises in the sweet by and by eh?

Rapture tards are without a doubt the most selfish heartless group of people on the planet.

Much the same as the elite who build bunkers thinking they will esfape the doom and care NOTHING for those left on the surface to die horrible deaths.


But thats not too surprising both the illuminati and the rapture crowd display the very same heartlessness and arrogance.


The pre trib rap after all IS an illuminati sponsored doctrine.

All the mainstream preachers who are also masosns..rick warren...kenneth copeland...benny hinn..joyce mayer...tim lahey..etc...are ALL MASONS.

And they preach pre trib rapture.

Says it all really.

Like attracts like.
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You are a man. Can you not be false?

I do not contend with Jesus Christ.

I surrender, yield to and accept completely, wholly, and trustingly to Jesus Christ.

And if You are divided against the Truth, that does not mean that You are True, yet You insist and persist against.


The Rapture is the Mystery Pre-told. Behold.

Jesus Christ Himself will most suddenly remove His Bride, His Believers, His Church, His Called-Out Ones, out of this world Himself, and to Himself, to the place that He has prepared for them, for the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, The Marriage, and to hide Her and protect Her from The Wrath, and then to return with Him as He destroys the wickedness, and rescue Israel in Fulfillment, and go into the Millennium, the 1,000 years, the Millennial Reign of Christ, when those who are His shall be with Him.

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1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words.

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This excerpt does not mention the Day of the Lord or the Day of Christ. But I think this is the Day of Christ, and the Day of the Lord begins immediately after this Pre-Trib rapture seen here. I believe the "Coming of the Lord" encompasses both the Day of Christ and the Day of the Lord, which I see as separate programs that could possible overlap in time. The Day of Christ is a time of blessing for the Church, and the Day of the Lord is a time of judgment for the world.

It's hard to comfort someone if he will have to endure the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, to be overcome by Satan and his Antichrist, to be made war against, to suffer the wrath of Satan, to be denied all commerce due to not accepting the Mark of the Beast, to be hunted down like animals continually, and to likely become a martyr. There is nothing comforting about those words at all. But Paul wasn't comforting the Thessalonians with words abut the Tribulation, he was comforting them with words of escaping the time and hour of the Tribulation.

“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth”- Revelation 3:10

2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4

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Paul says here that the Day of the Lord will not come until the falling away/departing happens first, and then the Antichrist is revealed, which is the beginning of the Day of the Lord. So what precedes this Day? The 'departing,' which is an older translation than 'falling away' found in the KJV.

”3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion”- Tyndale Bible (1525)

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences.

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1 Thess 4 talks about the rapture before the Tribulation. But you don't believe the rapture will happen at any time. In this chapter the rapture is the 'harpazo.' I'm curious how you define the harpazo if you do not believe in the harpazo?

2 Thess 2 talks about the fact that the 'departing' happens before the Day of the Lord begins.

Matt 24 talks about the Second Advent after the Tribulation, well into the Day of the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS.

There is NO RAPTURE.

Scripture agrees with scripture.

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Yes, scripture does agree with scripture. And you are still wrong.

There have been a few raptures already, and there will be one again. Enoch was raptured. Elijah was raptured. Yahshua(Jesus) was raptured. And we believers(true Christians) will also be raptured. That much is clear. It's only a question of timing.

There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below.

Matthew 27
45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
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The First Resurrection comes in multiple parts, and I think that causes some confusion.

1. Yahshua was resurrected. He was the First Fruits of the resurrection. First Fruits is an important Jewish concept that helps us understand Yahweh's programs. The harvest in Israel was also a multi-part harvest. Not just one harvest, but 3 separate harvests. The harvest of souls will also be a multi-part harvest. Yahweh gives us these clues to help us learn His Word.

2. The saints that were resurrected at the time of Yahshua's resurrection, as you've noted above.

3. The Pre-Trib rapture of the New Covenant Church(bride) saints.

4. The Post-Trib rapture of the Tribulation(mostly martyrs) saints & the Old Testament saints. (this group are all from the same Old Covenant Dispensation, BTW. 69 Weeks + 1 Week = 70 Weeks)

The First Resurrection is not a description of numerical significance, it is a grouping according to its relation to the Millennial Kingdom. The First Resurrection includes all resurrections that happen before the Millennium. The Second Resurrection is after the Millennium, and is for the damned only. It then leads to the Second Death.
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The day of the Lord is all there is. there is NO rapture.

As for when the tombs were open at Jesus Christ's own Resurrection, Someone corrected me on that already. I agree with them after checking scripture. IT IS NOT. The First Resurrection is when Jesus Christ comes back. OTHERWISE KNOW AS THE DAY OF THE LORD.

I don't know if people are getting things messed up because of this rapture bull crap, I think some are. There is NOT going to be a rapture. There will be A SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST, BUT NOT A THIRD AND HE DOES NOT TAKE PEOPLE UNTIL HE COMES BACK. AGAIN. THE DAY OF THE LORD. Every scripture that people want to claim is some rapture crap is talking about either the dead in Christ, the tribulation or the day of the Lord. There simply isn't anything else in there. Anyone worth thier salt will validate this and find it is true. If you don't, or can't find it, then there must be a reason for you to be blind to it.

Unlike the rapture, the day of the lord is mentioned MANY MANY TIMES!!

For those that still don't get it, carry on. As the bible says you will......as in the days of Noah. Only God or you can change your mind and open your eyes.

Good luck. I am didn't make this thread to argue with foolish acting people. I made it so that some people who might have question about these things actually see what scripture says, instead of what man wants to read into it.

You are supposed to question your belief to make sure it is what it should be and not what man, you or others want it to be or mean. It is supposed to be what God wants and clearly He has chosen not to show some people the truth, even when it is staring them in the face.
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The Day of the Lord lasts from the beginning of the Tribulation, when the Antichrist is unleashed, until the heavens and the earth are burned up after the Great White Throne of judgment. The rapture happens just before the Day of the Lord.

The First Resurrection is when any believer is resurrected, period. The Second Resurrection is for the lost only.

There is no 'bull crap' about the harpazo. It is plain as day. The only question is it's timing. When do you think we will be in our Father's House in heaven if there is no rapture ever? You offer no explanation or answer.

You claim to be so right about this and everyone else is so wrong, even after you admit that you were wrong about those who rose from the dead with Christ. If you were wrong about that, you can also be wrong about other things too. I don't claim to be right about everything like you did before. I just think the Pre-Trib. rapture is more likely to be the more accurate position than the Post-Trib position.

Your appeal to worthiness is simply a fallacy, as someone would have to toe the line with you for you to deem them 'worth their salt.' I have invalidated your position over and over again, and find your position to be false. And I do know you are blind to it, and that's OK. You can have your opinion and it doesn't change your salvation, although you may lose a crown for it. I'm more interested in other readers. They deserve a chance to see the truth and not be led astray by you.

The rapture is mentioned primarily in the New Testament. The Day of the Lord is given to judgment and is spoken often of in both the Old and New Testaments. It is a time for Israel and the lost. It is not a time for us. No one on earth will be saved the moment after the rapture happens. The entire world that is left behind will be lost. Only then will the Tribulation begin. Thank the Lord some will see the truth then and get saved. Most will not at that time. "Those who dwell upon the earth" is a phrase that Yahshua(Jesus) uses when referring to unbelievers only, not His people. That is a clue. When you see that phrase used, you know He is speaking of unbelievers, not His church.

"In the days of Noah" refers to people ignoring God's warnings. And I think it may also refer to a time of great sin and demonic tampering. It does not refer to people earnestly looking for the truth, even if they are mistaken. You see, this is another example of you twisting scriptures to your own ends without respect to what they really mean.

There is nothing foolish about searching the scriptures daily. I'm sorry you can't see that you yourself fall into the behavior that you so rail against. I won't call it hypocrisy. I'll let you examine it yourself.

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2 Thess 2 talks about the fact that the 'departing' happens before the Day of the Lord begins.

THE DEPARTING IS THOSE WHO GO AFTER FALSE TEACHING. You are wrong about it referring to people being being whisked away. It is about them turning to sin. THAT is what we are to watch for, that we don't turn away, so that when Jesus comes AT THE LAST TRUMP, we are found doing what Gods will.

There have been a few raptures already, and there will be one again. Enoch was raptured. Elijah was raptured. Yahshua(Jesus) was raptured. And we believers(true Christians) will also be raptured. That much is clear. It's only a question of timing.

There has NOT been raptures. God taking Enoch and Elijah was NOT a rapture.

he was comforting them with words of escaping the time and hour of the Tribulation.

He was telling them to keep their faith and not be taken into doing false teaching. People are not supposed to be worldly. They are to "COME OUT OF THE WORLD". This doesn't mean that they leave earth, it means that they don't practice false doctrine, don't involve themselves in "TRADITIONS OF MEN" and keep the commandments of God. They escape these things because they don't conform to the world, they keep themselves pure from the evil influence of it. They DON'T GO ANYWHERE, BECAUSE GOD WILL SEND HIS ANGELS TO SHELTER THEM AND PROTECT THEM. If you read JOB, you will see that Satan was talking about God putting a Hedge about Job so that he and his family were safe from Satan's influence. God tells Satan that even if He were to remove the hedge, Job would still keep his faith. God will also put a hedge around His people to keep them from harm, HE DOESN'T TAKE THEM AWAY, HE PREVENTS THE HARM FROM OCCURING TO THEM.

When do you think we will be in our Father's House in heaven if there is no rapture ever? You offer no explanation or answer.

Jesus Christ answers this. On the last day, AFTER THE LAST TRUMPET SOUNDS, He will return and this is also when the FIRST RESURRECTION OCCURS AND HE GATHERS HIS SAINTS THAT ALSO MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRIBULATION ALIVE. He will rule over them for 1000 years, also know as the MILLENNIUM KINGDOM OF CHRIST. He has been preparing a place for the Saints, He has been building mansions for them in His kingdom.

1 Corinthians 2:9 - But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

Then after 1000 years, the second Resurrection occurs and everyone is Judged.


You claim to be so right about this and everyone else is so wrong, even after you admit that you were wrong about those who rose from the dead with Christ.

NO, I don't claim to be right. I CLAIM THAT JESUS IS RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS IN SCRIPTURE. ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT AGREE WITH HIS TESTIMONY IS NOT HIS TEACHING, BUT IS VAIN PHILOSOPHY. He tells us that He returns for a second time on the last day, at the last trumpet and every eye will behold Him. If anyone tells you there will be another coming, the bible warns us NOT TO BELIEVE IT. THESE ARE HIS WORDS, NOT MINE. The rapture is doing exactly that, telling us that Jesus comes back more than once and is in direct conflict with what HE says. So, therefore, we know the rapture philosophy is FALSE.

As for me being wrong about the saints who came out of the graves at the time Jesus Christ was resurrected, I did admit I was wrong on that account. You see, I am willing to listen to others who can prove what scripture says. I was mistaken on that account.
With the rapture however, it is false doctrine according to what JESUS says and doesn't say. IT DOES NOT COME FROM HIM!! HE IS THE TEACHER AND HE DOES NOT TEACH OF MORE THAN A SECOND COMING. THE RAPTURE IS VAIN PHILOSOPHY OF PEOPLE SEEKING CHRIST WHERE AND WHEN HE SAYS HE WILL NOT BE FOUND.


They deserve a chance to see the truth and not be led astray by you.

I AM SHOWING YOU WHAT JESUS SAID. WHAT YOU CLAIM COMES FROM ME IS ACTUALLY FROM HIM. SO YOU IN EFFECT ARE CALLING JESUS CHRIST A LIAR.


The rapture is mentioned primarily in the New Testament.

The second coming of JESUS CHRIST is spoken of by JESUS.THIS IS THE ONLY THING HE TAUGHT AND TEACHES. HE TELLS US WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND WHEN (THE SEASON) IT WILL OCCUR. A RAPTURE EVENT COMES FROM THE MINDS OF MEN AND OF SATAN. HE IS DECEIVING THE WORLD AND YES, EVEN THE VERY ELECT BY BRINGING A RAPTURE PHILOSOPHY AND USING HIS AGENTS TO SPREAD THE LIE. THE RAPTURE THEORY IS PART OF, IF NOT ENTIRELY THE GREAT DECEPTION WE ARE TOLD TO BEWARE OF.


Don't be deceived. JESUS NEVER TAUGHT A RAPTURE DOCTRINE, EVER!! JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE EVENTS (THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TERM A "RAPTURE") WILL OCCUR AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THESE ARE HIS WORDS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS DIFFERENT IS A LIAR, NOT JESUS.

In the end, you will be wailing and gnashing teeth, because you rejected the teaching of Jesus and followed after the teaching of men of which HE SPECIFICALLY WARNS US NOT TO DO.


Don't ignore or believe that there is no rapture because I say this is truth. I have only shared with people what JESUS SAYS ON THE MATTER. BELIEVE HIM, BECAUSE IT IS HIS TRUTH.

Who can argue against God and His Son? Only unbelievers and those who are not His would do such a thing.

I have nothing else to say. I gave the warning that Jesus said should come from a watchman. If you chose not to listen, the fault is entirely with you.

I pray that your eyes are open.

Hebrews
Chapter 13
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
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We are warned with scripture not to be taken in by false teaching.

Colossians 2 (KJV)
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

My input on the rapture philosophy.

The rapture doctrine is in contention with what Jesus Christ Himself says. Scripture will support scripture. The rapture theory or philosophy is nowhere given by Jesus. All other scripture MUST agree with His testimony otherwise you Crucify Christ.

A house divided against itself cannot stand and the rapture doctrine does not coincide with what Jesus says, therefore, it fails the test and His truth stands as it MUST. Every scripture attributed to a rapture fails this test. What passes is that each scripture DOES coincide with what Jesus Christ has said will come about.

What are his words? Matthew 24:29-31 are the context we must apply to other scripture, because it is impossible for God to lie and we know that Jesus Christ was without blemish. Therefore, we hold ONLY to His testimony on this. Everything else must be patterned after His testimony, everything else will compliment what He SAYS!! If an individual reads scripture and they attempt to apply any other meaning, the scripture will not hold up. If it otherwise does NOT compliment what Jesus says , this is how you know it is NOT of God, but is of men.

The scriptural accounts in the bible of others spreading the gospel with regard to end times events surrounding the tribulation period are given according to the instruction of Jesus Christ. Therefore we have the context in which to to apply their meaning. The teacher will by no means be undone by the disciple. Rather, they will bear HIM up.

So, when applying scripture, LOOK TO JESUS FOR WHAT IT SAYS, (He is without sin and without fault and as I said disregarding what He says means you crucify Him a second time.) Lean not on your own understanding nor ascribe to your own imagination.

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You are a man. Can you not be false?

I do not contend with Jesus Christ.

I surrender, yield to and accept completely, wholly, and trustingly to Jesus Christ.


And if You are divided against the Truth, that does not mean that You are True, yet You insist and persist against.


The Rapture is the Mystery Pre-told. Behold.

Jesus Christ Himself will most suddenly remove His Bride, His Believers, His Church, His Called-Out Ones, out of this world Himself, and to Himself, to the place that He has prepared for them, for the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, The Marriage, and to hide Her and protect Her from The Wrath, and then to return with Him as He destroys the wickedness, and rescue Israel in Fulfillment, and go into the Millennium, the 1,000 years, the Millennial Reign of Christ, when those who are His shall be with Him.
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So, when applying scripture, LOOK TO JESUS FOR WHAT IT SAYS, (He is without sin and without fault and as I said disregarding what He says means you crucify Him a second time.)

If you teach a rapture theory, ACCORDING TO JESUS, YOU CONTEND WITH HIM!! IT IS NOT WHAT HE TEACHES.
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Yes, there is something about pearls and swine to be said of this.
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There is? You call those believers in Jesus Christ that disagree with you swine?!

However, people with a brain reading this thread, led here through internet searches and asking questions and wanting answers won't be able to refute that a rapture event will never take place if they do the work to learn this fact.
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Unless they read the verses and see the words of the believers and see the words of the deniers and come to a different conclusion than you, and therefore likewise become swine before your gracious eyes.

The bible clearly shows that a rapture is not going to occur. The rapture is basically akin to a Nigerian scam made to steal your salvation.
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You refuse to see what believers plainly see and believe so easily... and really want others to not see and not believe also...


It is up to the individual to discern the bullshit from what is and isn't.
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Amen.
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I don't care to argue with people that don't care to accept what Jesus says and instead say that what He says is my own.

I have dispensed pearls of wisdom and if you don't value what I have shared and which is not my teaching, but Jesus Christ's, then IT IS NOT FOR YOU. HE KNOWS HIS SHEEP AND THOSE WHO HE IS CALLING. IT IS FOR THEM.

People who come bearing a rapture philosophy that Jesus doesn't teach and are not His words are not following Him. They are conforming themselves to the world.

Jesus tells us in His Own Words what will happen, in Matthew 24:29-31.

TAKE HIS WORDS AND APPLY THOSE TO SCRIPTURE, BECAUSE APPLYING ANYTHING ELSE THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT HE SAYS IS USING VAIN PHILOSOPHY.
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well, duh!! It is a departure. It means to leave the faith. Apostasy is exactly that. Not all of the Apostles of Jesus Christ remained apostles. Many began to teach thing contrary to what Jesus says and instructed. Thus, they departed. They were NOT teaching the message of Christ. Thus, they were in apostasy.

The idiocy of what you posted attempting to attribute apostasy to a rapture scenario theory is stupidly glaring.

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Actually, you are correct on one count. Those who teach and ascribe to a rapture theory are in apostasy. They don't follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. So, you get credit for that.
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The Harpazo

The Seized-Away Departure of The Bride

The Rapture of the Church
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To the Jewish Wedding Marriage Supper of the Lamb
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Excellent.

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It is bullshit and you are eating it up? Have you people no brains of your own?

Apostasy means to abandon ones faith.

Definition of apostasy
plural apostasies
1
: renunciation of a religious faith
2
: abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection
[link to www.merriam-webster.com]

More on apostacy. (Of which the writer states there are differing views on some of the material presented in the document that may not coincide with ones belief.)
[link to carm.org (secure)]

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Perhaps you forgot to read the article first, so I bolded one key line for your review.

Curious, which of Yahshua's(Jesus') apostles fell into apostasy? (Judas Iscariot doesn't count.) I don't think your assertion is biblical.

The article and research I posted above is from several bible scholars that I trust. Since you haven't established your credentials, I'll stick with theirs.
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John 6
60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
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well, duh!! It is a departure. It means to leave the faith. Apostasy is exactly that. Not all of the Apostles of Jesus Christ remained apostles. Many began to teach thing contrary to what Jesus says and instructed. Thus, they departed. They were NOT teaching the message of Christ. Thus, they were in apostasy.

The idiocy of what you posted attempting to attribute apostasy to a rapture scenario theory is stupidly glaring.

sbus

Actually, you are correct on one count. Those who teach and ascribe to a rapture theory are in apostasy. They don't follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. So, you get credit for that.
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Perhaps you forgot to read the article first, so I bolded one key line for your review.

Curious, which of Yahshua's(Jesus') apostles fell into apostasy? (Judas Iscariot doesn't count.) I don't think your assertion is biblical.

The article and research I posted above is from several bible scholars that I trust. Since you haven't established your credentials, I'll stick with theirs.
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When you respect Jesus Christ and stop calling Him a liar, I may give you a thumbs up. Until that time, this thread is under my management and If I want to place a meme depicting you according to the accurate and glaring folly of your post I will.

I don't mean to call you specifically a fool or a retard, however, the theory which you support is retarded, flawed and non biblical. The fact that you champion it is a testament to your lack of spiritual intellect and that is not a compliment, but rather an observation of the type of fruit you bear.
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28But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”.....returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”43Just as he was speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, appeared. With him was a crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests, the teachers of the law, and the elders.


1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by spirit or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessnessa is revealed, the son of perdition. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering to him occurs as the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition is revealed.

JESUS: Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer...Just as he was speaking, Judas appears.


So contrary to what the op proclaims, JESUS DOES SPEAK OF THESE MATTERS.
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Re: RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22
The Harpazo

The Seized-Away Departure of The Bride

The Rapture of the Church
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The OP denies this. He denies there will ever be a harpazo at all. He has denied this several times. Thus he is denying the Word in the bible.

I think he may also deny grace-based salvation. I think he embraces a works-based salvation, but I'm not certain. I encourage him to clear that up if I am mistaken.

He also believes in Replacement Theology. He thinks the Church is Israel. And I think that is a grave error.

Here is a link to a website that the OP himself has used before as authoritative source material. Unfortunately for him, it does not support Replacement Theology, but instead refutes it:

[link to www.gotquestions.org]

More Replacement Theology exposed:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessnessa is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.28But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”.....returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of


28But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”.....returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”43Just as he was speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, appeared. With him was a crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests, the teachers of the law, and the elders.

10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.





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