RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22

There is no better way to prove once and for all that you are right than playing random youtube vids.

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1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words.

2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS.

There is NO RAPTURE.

Scripture agrees with scripture.

There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below.

Matthew 27
45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Revelation 3

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, n I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 3:10 simply is saying that these individuals will recieve the seal of God. They will NOT take the Mark Of The Beast, because they will know it for what it is. Their eyes will be open.

Revelation 3:11 is another warning. It is simply telling you to WATCH and not be caught up with false doctrine so you don't lose your salvation. DON'T BE FOOLED or else the seal will be unbound and you will share with those who receive condemnation.

Revelation 5
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of ||odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And othe four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her ||untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed pas a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation 7
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God gin their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, ma great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Matthew 27
50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Acts 1:9-12King James Version (KJV)
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Revelation 5 - Jesus overcomes and will establish His Kingdom here on earth. 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 6 - The souls of the slain cry out to be avenged and they are told to wait a bit longer. These are those that have died since the first Resurrection who belong to Jesus Christ. These are those who have died since Jesus has been Resurrected and also are the ones who are brought into the fold according to the in-grafting. Most (if not all) are the gentiles and are NOT Israelite by birth, but by adoption. They await for the other Saints who will die up to the end of the tribulation.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal THIS IS PARALLEL VERSE TO MATTHEW 24:29 -31 SPEAKING OF THE DAY OF THE LORD (pay attention to the significance of the the figs and the fig tree in Matthew 24:32 and Revelation 6:13

Revelation 7
Acts Acts 1:9-12
We see the 144,000 sealed standing on the Mount Sion along with Jesus. Revelation 7:4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are TRUE ISRAELITES. = VIRGINS. NOT DEFILED BY WOMAN = NO OTHER CHURCH MINISTRY.
Revelation 7:4 CONT...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. = (IT APPEARS THAT) SOME OF THESE AROSE WITH JESUS AFTER HIS/THEIR RESURRECTION (THE FIRST RESURRECTION) AND SOME LIVED ON, DIED AND JOINED THEM LATER, OR WILL ON HIS RETURN. Acts Acts 1:9-12
SOME WHO WERE YET, STILL ALIVE WERE THERE WHEN HE ASCENDED ON MT OF OLIVES. THOSE SAINTS WHO WERE ALIVE WERE SEALED THEY AND THOSE OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION COMPOSE THE 144,000 AND RETURN WITH HIM AND STAND WITH HIM ON MT. SION WHEN HE RETURNS AT THE DAY OF THE LORD.

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
THESE ARE THE SAINTS THAT MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRIBULATION.

Jesus Christ Returns To The Jews In Jerusalem.

Why does Jesus Christ return to the Jews in Jerusalem?



Thread: If You Do Not Believe In The Rapture...

you do not understand the purpose of The Tribulation

and you do not understand the different roles and purposes of The Church and Israel.


Thread: What is The Purpose of the Bible's End Times Tribulation?


"The Purpose of the Great Tribulation

The purpose of this ordeal, the Time of Jacobs Trouble, is to drive Israel en extremis, to return to God:

I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me earnestly (Hosea 5:15).

Interesting Old Testament passage: God says, I will go and return to my place. To return, He must have left it! Watch those untils in the text: they often denote significant milestones. The term offence is singular and specific.

Apparently, a prerequisite condition for the Second Coming of Christ is for Israel to acknowledge her Messiah and to petition His return.

When the faithful remnant petitions Jesus to return, He comes to rescue them."

THAT IS WHY Jesus comes back to the Jews!

Yeshua!

These videos are of MEN who THINK they can take the Word of God and twist it to fit their own fantasy.

You obviously don't belong in this thread, because YOU refuse to look at the evidence the bible gives. Instead, you parrot what other men tell you it says.

"The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it."

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge."

These videos are of MEN who THINK they can take the Word of God and twist it to fit their own fantasy.

You obviously don't belong in this thread, because YOU refuse to look at the evidence the bible gives. Instead, you parrot what other men tell you it says.

Lol.

It kinda bites that I can't view video, so I have NO idea what reference they allude too without additional dialogue added by the posting individual.

Rapture believers are in danger of worshiping the spurious messiah when he arrives. That is the danger. The enemy is very cunning and slick....he's got the rapture believers wrapped around his finger.

...because I am better than you! (SARCASM)

6 Days

Sundown on Friday.

This excerpt does not mention the Day of the Lord or the Day of Christ. But I think this is the Day of Christ, and the Day of the Lord begins immediately after this Pre-Trib rapture seen here. I believe the "Coming of the Lord" encompasses both the Day of Christ and the Day of the Lord, which I see as separate programs that could possible overlap in time. The Day of Christ is a time of blessing for the Church, and the Day of the Lord is a time of judgment for the world.

It's hard to comfort someone if he will have to endure the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, to be overcome by Satan and his Antichrist, to be made war against, to suffer the wrath of Satan, to be denied all commerce due to not accepting the Mark of the Beast, to be hunted down like animals continually, and to likely become a martyr. There is nothing comforting about those words at all. But Paul wasn't comforting the Thessalonians with words abut the Tribulation, he was comforting them with words of escaping the time and hour of the Tribulation.

“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth”- Revelation 3:10



Paul says here that the Day of the Lord will not come until the falling away/departing happens first, and then the Antichrist is revealed, which is the beginning of the Day of the Lord. So what precedes this Day? The 'departing,' which is an older translation than 'falling away' found in the KJV.

”3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion”- Tyndale Bible (1525)


1 Thess 4 talks about the rapture before the Tribulation. But you don't believe the rapture will happen at any time. In this chapter the rapture is the 'harpazo.' I'm curious how you define the harpazo if you do not believe in the harpazo?

2 Thess 2 talks about the fact that the 'departing' happens before the Day of the Lord begins.

Matt 24 talks about the Second Advent after the Tribulation, well into the Day of the Lord.


Yes, scripture does agree with scripture. And you are still wrong.

There have been a few raptures already, and there will be one again. Enoch was raptured. Elijah was raptured. Yahshua(Jesus) was raptured. And we believers(true Christians) will also be raptured. That much is clear. It's only a question of timing.



The First Resurrection comes in multiple parts, and I think that causes some confusion.

1. Yahshua was resurrected. He was the First Fruits of the resurrection. First Fruits is an important Jewish concept that helps us understand Yahweh's programs. The harvest in Israel was also a multi-part harvest. Not just one harvest, but 3 separate harvests. The harvest of souls will also be a multi-part harvest. Yahweh gives us these clues to help us learn His Word.

2. The saints that were resurrected at the time of Yahshua's resurrection, as you've noted above.

3. The Pre-Trib rapture of the New Covenant Church(bride) saints.

4. The Post-Trib rapture of the Tribulation(mostly martyrs) saints & the Old Testament saints. (this group are all from the same Old Covenant Dispensation, BTW. 69 Weeks + 1 Week = 70 Weeks)

The First Resurrection is not a description of numerical significance, it is a grouping according to its relation to the Millennial Kingdom. The First Resurrection includes all resurrections that happen before the Millennium. The Second Resurrection is after the Millennium, and is for the damned only. It then leads to the Second Death.

...Nor can I find any mention of the Church during the Tribulation period.

...the Church Age believers, us now, will be spared from "the hour of temptation" just as our Savior has promised us. He will take us up to His Father's House in heaven, where He has gone to prepare a place for us. And where He is, so shall we be.

...He will receive us to Himself. That is the rapture. And He will take us up to His Father's House in heaven, at the rapture. And we will return with Him later at the Battle of Armageddon. We will be there to witness His defeat of the Antichrist, his False Prophet, and all his armies in the Valley of Megiddo.

...there is NO rapture... this rapture bull crap... There is NOT going to be a rapture... some rapture crap...

...you will...... Only God or you can change your mind and open your eyes.

...You are supposed to question your belief...

...what God wants and clearly He has chosen not to show some people the truth, even when it is staring them in the face.

Can the difference be any bigger?
One is True.
One is False.