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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Thessalonians 4: Quoting: Osmium76 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words. 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS. There is NO RAPTURE. Scripture agrees with scripture. There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below. Matthew 27 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. I agree that there is no rapture, but the resurrection of some saints was not identical to Jesus' ressurrection. Jesus was resurrected with an incorruptible body- a supernatural body that was acceptable for heaven. Not so with the others. They were simply resurrected from the dead as Lazuras was. They still lived out their life and died. This is NOT the first resurrection. The resurrection that the Bible speaks of is permanent with bodies that never get sick and die. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT! Scripture refutes you. Hebrews 9 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The first Resurrection happened when Jesus Christ Himself also was resurrected. These were the first fruits. They were the Israeli by birth and heratage. They were "VIRGINS" they didn't belong to any "church". If you look at scripture. The church is a woman. The catholic church is a harlot. They were virgins, because they are of the original fold. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72185112 Spain 05/10/2016 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Thessalonians 4: Quoting: Osmium76 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words. 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS. There is NO RAPTURE. Scripture agrees with scripture. There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below. Matthew 27 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. I agree that there is no rapture, but the resurrection of some saints was not identical to Jesus' ressurrection. Jesus was resurrected with an incorruptible body- a supernatural body that was acceptable for heaven. Not so with the others. They were simply resurrected from the dead as Lazuras was. They still lived out their life and died. This is NOT the first resurrection. The resurrection that the Bible speaks of is permanent with bodies that never get sick and die. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT! Scripture refutes you. Hebrews 9 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The first Resurrection happened when Jesus Christ Himself also was resurrected. These were the first fruits. They were the Israeli by birth and heratage. They were "VIRGINS" they didn't belong to any "church". If you look at scripture. The church is a woman. The catholic church is a harlot. They were virgins, because they are of the original fold. yes, they did get their lives in their motL bodies back till they died. Why are you sominsane? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72185112 Spain 05/10/2016 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Thessalonians 4: Quoting: Osmium76 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words. 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS. There is NO RAPTURE. Scripture agrees with scripture. There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below. Matthew 27 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. I agree that there is no rapture, but the resurrection of some saints was not identical to Jesus' ressurrection. Jesus was resurrected with an incorruptible body- a supernatural body that was acceptable for heaven. Not so with the others. They were simply resurrected from the dead as Lazuras was. They still lived out their life and died. This is NOT the first resurrection. The resurrection that the Bible speaks of is permanent with bodies that never get sick and die. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT! Scripture refutes you. Hebrews 9 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The first Resurrection happened when Jesus Christ Himself also was resurrected. These were the first fruits. They were the Israeli by birth and heratage. They were "VIRGINS" they didn't belong to any "church". If you look at scripture. The church is a woman. The catholic church is a harlot. They were virgins, because they are of the original fold. yes, they did get their lives in their mortal bodies back till they died. Why are you so insane? grammar lol |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't you mean consistently? OBVIOUSLY, THE TRUTH OF THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR YOU. THAT IS ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON, BUT IS PLAIN TO SEE. You are not as special as you think. There are others who will find the truth in this thread, even if you fail to do so. Go your way. You now have no excuse having learned the truth and rejected it. |
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User ID: 70824227 United States 05/10/2016 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't you mean consistently? OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON, BUT IS PLAIN TO SEE. You are not as special as you think. There are others who will find the truth in this thread, even if you fail to do so. Go your way. You now have no excuse having learned the truth and rejected it. there is no "truth" on this thread....just your false interpretations, faulty and flawed theology. the pre-tribulation rapture event remains true, accurate, and biblical despite your attempts to mislead others. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are a mocking bird! don't grind your teeth, which you seem been doing right from the start of this thread. You are a pain in the ass with nothing productive but opinion to share. keep it up and I will remove you. Didn't you say you were going? Yet you are still here stirring the pot with OPINION. You didn't even quote me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63492018 United States 05/10/2016 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is a false doctrine of men. Quoting: Osmium76 Here is some more biblical truth people can look up. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. Christmas is pagan and is a doctrine of men. The Christmas tree is an idol. The statue of Mary, the Crucifix and many other pagan idols are an affront to God. Easter Sunday is NOT the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Temple in Jerusalem does not need rebuilt, Jesus is building it. Jesus Christ became the ultimate sacrifice, animal sacrifice is insufficient and doesn't please God. The Levitical Priesthood was done away with. Jesus Christ became our mediator and High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek forever. The Pope does NOT have authority to change anything the bible says and the Catholic Church is the Harlot spoken of in the Bible. The Ten Commandments are still in full effect and force and retain all of the power they did when God first commissioned them. Baptism as done to Jesus Christ was full body immersion and is the example He set for anyone else getting baptized. A an infant or a young child does NOT have the mental capacity to understand baptism as such, blessing of children is fine, but baptizing them is of no effect because that is a personal choice they will need to come to do themselves when they have the maturity to decide. The bible clearly states that there will be teachers of the word and ministry up to the very end. Those individuals will be persecuted and even killed for the good work they do just as Jesus himself was. Evil men will grow worse and false doctrine will turn many aside from the truth and it is the responsibility of those who follow after Jesus Christ to refute false doctrine and preach the truth. No ones salvation is your responsibility other than your own, however as ambassadors of Christ we are to present the truth and make every effort to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. Sure, Christians don't need a temple rebuilt but the unbelieving jews build one because they are still waiting for THEIR messiah. They even have a website for it so for you to say this will never happen is false. The temple will have animal sacrifice and this does not please God. That is true. But the Masonic Jews and unbeliever's build a Temple. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't you mean consistently? OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON, BUT IS PLAIN TO SEE. You are not as special as you think. There are others who will find the truth in this thread, even if you fail to do so. Go your way. You now have no excuse having learned the truth and rejected it. there is no "truth" on this thread....just your false interpretations, faulty and flawed theology. the pre-tribulation rapture event remains true, accurate, and biblical despite your attempts to mislead others. Put scripture where you opinion is so I can refute it with scripture. Go ahead. Do it. You will lose to Jesus Christ own testimony. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is a false doctrine of men. Quoting: Osmium76 Here is some more biblical truth people can look up. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. Christmas is pagan and is a doctrine of men. The Christmas tree is an idol. The statue of Mary, the Crucifix and many other pagan idols are an affront to God. Easter Sunday is NOT the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Temple in Jerusalem does not need rebuilt, Jesus is building it. Jesus Christ became the ultimate sacrifice, animal sacrifice is insufficient and doesn't please God. The Levitical Priesthood was done away with. Jesus Christ became our mediator and High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek forever. The Pope does NOT have authority to change anything the bible says and the Catholic Church is the Harlot spoken of in the Bible. The Ten Commandments are still in full effect and force and retain all of the power they did when God first commissioned them. Baptism as done to Jesus Christ was full body immersion and is the example He set for anyone else getting baptized. A an infant or a young child does NOT have the mental capacity to understand baptism as such, blessing of children is fine, but baptizing them is of no effect because that is a personal choice they will need to come to do themselves when they have the maturity to decide. The bible clearly states that there will be teachers of the word and ministry up to the very end. Those individuals will be persecuted and even killed for the good work they do just as Jesus himself was. Evil men will grow worse and false doctrine will turn many aside from the truth and it is the responsibility of those who follow after Jesus Christ to refute false doctrine and preach the truth. No ones salvation is your responsibility other than your own, however as ambassadors of Christ we are to present the truth and make every effort to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. Sure, Christians don't need a temple rebuilt but the unbelieving jews build one because they are still waiting for THEIR messiah. They even have a website for it so for you to say this will never happen is false. The temple will have animal sacrifice and this does not please God. That is true. But the Masonic Jews and unbeliever's build a Temple. Sigh...I NEVER said it wouldn't happen. I said it doesn't need to happen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72185112 Spain 05/10/2016 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are a mocking bird! don't grind your teeth, which you seem been doing right from the start of this thread. You are a pain in the ass with nothing productive but opinion to share. keep it up and I will remove you. Didn't you say you were going? Yet you are still here stirring the pot with OPINION. You didn't even quote me. productive is like spreading lies? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71962779 United States 05/10/2016 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't you mean consistently? OBVIOUSLY, THE TRUTH OF THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR YOU. THAT IS ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON, BUT IS PLAIN TO SEE. You are not as special as you think. There are others who will find the truth in this thread, even if you fail to do so. Go your way. You now have no excuse having learned the truth and rejected it. It's funny how you only assume you are completely correct... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't you mean consistently? OBVIOUSLY, THE TRUTH OF THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR YOU. THAT IS ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON, BUT IS PLAIN TO SEE. You are not as special as you think. There are others who will find the truth in this thread, even if you fail to do so. Go your way. You now have no excuse having learned the truth and rejected it. It's funny how you only assume you are completely correct... God is correct. It is man that brings the Rapture doctrine. Again. PLEASE USE SCRIPTURE. there are a lot of individuals who have something to say about the thread, but so far most of them are ONLY presenting opinion. I have repeatedly asked for people to use SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THEIR BELIEF. Instead they attack me WHEN I DO SHOW SCRIPTURE THAT REFUTES THE DOCTRINE THEY THEMSELVES BELIEVE. STOP USING OPINION AND USE SCRIPTURE!! IS THAT SO HARD TO DO?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63492018 United States 05/10/2016 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: On The Day that the Rapture happens Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70412288 Thread: Hatred of The Rapture is not From True Christians but Toward True Christians Thread: The Rapture - Christianity's Most Preposterous Belief - The Blessed Hope Thread: The Rapture and the Timing of the Two Witnesses Thread: Why does the Rapture bother you so much? Thread: Would Jesus Rapture Rapture-haters? Thread: If You Do Not Believe In The Rapture... Thread: What is The Purpose of the Bible's End Times Tribulation? Rapture believers are in danger of worshiping the spurious messiah when he arrives. That is the danger. The enemy is very cunning and slick....he's got the rapture believers wrapped around his finger. False. Why do you say that I will believe something that is totally contrary to what I believe? Why do you say that I will believe the spurious messiah when he arrives when I know he is coming and I know he is false? Why do you say I will suddenly believe something that I have never believed? Explain your self-serving nonsense. Self serving? Apparently you have done ABSOLUTELY NO end times research. When Satan arrives pretending to be Jesus; he completely replicates the end the best he knows how. He deceives the world into believing he is Jesus. For that exact reason Jesus doesn't arrive until AFTER satan devours (nearly) the entire world. The satanic deception you have bought into makes you ripe for the picking. Satan will bring fire down from heaven and show all of the signs and wonders that Jesus did for the opposite purpose...TO DECEIVE!!!!!! You don't think satan has heard about your little messy interpretation? You don't think he's going to use that to his advantage? Lol...you're a daft yet funny little GLP character. You might even have a little sense when I'm done with you. :jay: I respectfully disagree that Satan is coming to impersonate Jesus. When the Anti-Christ comes, it is the Jews and the World's anti-Christ. The Jews do not accept Jesus. This is a FALSE messiah that comes. Satan does not "pretend" to be Jesus- the Anti-Christ touts himself as the messiah of the people of the world. Towards the end of everything Satan indwels the anti-Christ. Like a possession. That is why the Jews and the rest of the unbelieving world follow the Anti-Christ. Because Jesus was rejected and continues to be REJECTED. They are blatantly and knowinginly worshipping the occultic BEAST. The people who call themselves Christians but wink at new age beliefs, horoscopes, Past lives, sex sin, et al will be drawn in to this.... Just as they find themselves drawn into the sin they won't repent of. They have no discernment. They are spiritually dead and are completely carnal. They are spiritually seduced. But Satan impersonating Jesus? No. The world is not awaiting a SAVIOR. They don't believe they need saving from anything. Do as thou wilt. They are waiting for their MESSIAH. A worldly leader. The world will be in turmoil and they are waiting for an enlightened one who will give them back their creature comforts and performing lying wonders. Who will tickle their ears with what they want to hear. NOT a savior because believing in a savior means you sin and in the unbeliever's world, there is no such thing as sin-- just "mistakes". Just ask Eckart Tolle. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, that explains everything. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Corinthians 2:14 Christian is a worldly term. It is a catch all for would be believers in Christ. I do not Identify with this worldly definition. [link to www.wor.org] I identify as a New Covenant Saint of the Messianic Jewish persuasion, therefore, I am NOT a Christian. [link to www.wor.org] |
Okaywah
User ID: 63628716 United States 05/10/2016 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, that explains everything. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Corinthians 2:14 Christian is a worldly term. It is a catch all for would be believers in Christ. I do not Identify with this worldly definition. I identify as a New Covenant Saint of the Messianic Jewish persuasion, therefore, I am NOT a Christian. You must be a personal friend of Chip. "Christian" is just a title, whether you want to use it or not, you'd be considered one if you believe Jesus is the only way to God and the only means of Salvation. You can call yourself anything you like, but as a shortcut to understand each other, you ARE a Christian if you believe in Jesus. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, that explains everything. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Corinthians 2:14 Christian is a worldly term. It is a catch all for would be believers in Christ. I do not Identify with this worldly definition. I identify as a New Covenant Saint of the Messianic Jewish persuasion, therefore, I am NOT a Christian. You must be a personal friend of Chip. "Christian" is just a title, whether you want to use it or not, you'd be considered one if you believe Jesus is the only way to God and the only means of Salvation. You can call yourself anything you like, but as a shortcut to understand each other, you ARE a Christian if you believe in Jesus. I would be honored to call Chip a personal friend, however, I have never met him nor have I conversed with him other than in thread responses and that to a very small degree. Here. This should explain what a New Covenant Saint is. [link to www.wor.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63492018 United States 05/10/2016 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is a false doctrine of men. Quoting: Osmium76 Here is some more biblical truth people can look up. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. Christmas is pagan and is a doctrine of men. The Christmas tree is an idol. The statue of Mary, the Crucifix and many other pagan idols are an affront to God. Easter Sunday is NOT the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Temple in Jerusalem does not need rebuilt, Jesus is building it. Jesus Christ became the ultimate sacrifice, animal sacrifice is insufficient and doesn't please God. The Levitical Priesthood was done away with. Jesus Christ became our mediator and High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek forever. The Pope does NOT have authority to change anything the bible says and the Catholic Church is the Harlot spoken of in the Bible. The Ten Commandments are still in full effect and force and retain all of the power they did when God first commissioned them. Baptism as done to Jesus Christ was full body immersion and is the example He set for anyone else getting baptized. A an infant or a young child does NOT have the mental capacity to understand baptism as such, blessing of children is fine, but baptizing them is of no effect because that is a personal choice they will need to come to do themselves when they have the maturity to decide. The bible clearly states that there will be teachers of the word and ministry up to the very end. Those individuals will be persecuted and even killed for the good work they do just as Jesus himself was. Evil men will grow worse and false doctrine will turn many aside from the truth and it is the responsibility of those who follow after Jesus Christ to refute false doctrine and preach the truth. No ones salvation is your responsibility other than your own, however as ambassadors of Christ we are to present the truth and make every effort to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. Sure, Christians don't need a temple rebuilt but the unbelieving jews build one because they are still waiting for THEIR messiah. They even have a website for it so for you to say this will never happen is false. The temple will have animal sacrifice and this does not please God. That is true. But the Masonic Jews and unbeliever's build a Temple. Sigh...I NEVER said it wouldn't happen. I said it doesn't need to happen. Again, it obviously is going to happen, so.....Jesus isn't building ANY temple. He never uses the word temple. He uses the word church. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63492018 United States 05/10/2016 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Thessalonians 4: Quoting: Osmium76 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words. 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS. There is NO RAPTURE. Scripture agrees with scripture. There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below. Matthew 27 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. I agree that there is no rapture, but the resurrection of some saints was not identical to Jesus' ressurrection. Jesus was resurrected with an incorruptible body- a supernatural body that was acceptable for heaven. Not so with the others. They were simply resurrected from the dead as Lazuras was. They still lived out their life and died. This is NOT the first resurrection. The resurrection that the Bible speaks of is permanent with bodies that never get sick and die. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT! Scripture refutes you. Hebrews 9 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The first Resurrection happened when Jesus Christ Himself also was resurrected. These were the first fruits. They were the Israeli by birth and heratage. They were "VIRGINS" they didn't belong to any "church". If you look at scripture. The church is a woman. The catholic church is a harlot. They were virgins, because they are of the original fold. I just said that. The first resurrection happens to millions- not a small number. The bible talks about the second resurrection as being the unbeliever's after the thousand year reign. God raises Jesus. The first resurrection Jesus resurrects the believers. He descends with a SHOUT and the dead in Christ rise first. Pretty clear. The REST of the dead have to be dealt with. That's why the scripture says blessed are those in the first resurrection. Not so for the second resurrection. |
Okaywah
User ID: 63628716 United States 05/10/2016 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not going to debate the content of the link, but I will say this: what the writer is saying is a "Christian" belief is really a straw man of the author's creation. Christianity never teaches that "God has removed all demands for righteousness", rather it teaches "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." ...but that's another discussion. "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One." 1 John 2:1 Last Edited by Okaywah on 05/10/2016 11:18 AM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Okaywah Well, that explains everything. "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Corinthians 2:14 Christian is a worldly term. It is a catch all for would be believers in Christ. I do not Identify with this worldly definition. I identify as a New Covenant Saint of the Messianic Jewish persuasion, therefore, I am NOT a Christian. You must be a personal friend of Chip. "Christian" is just a title, whether you want to use it or not, you'd be considered one if you believe Jesus is the only way to God and the only means of Salvation. You can call yourself anything you like, but as a shortcut to understand each other, you ARE a Christian if you believe in Jesus. I would be honored to call Chip a personal friend, however, I have never met him nor have I conversed with him other than in thread responses and that to a very small degree. Here. This should explain what a New Covenant Saint is. [link to www.wor.org] Ironically, I have never seen, heard of or read that link till tonight. I just came across it and read 3/4 of it. I agree with everything it says of what I have read. I don't know who wrote it and I don't know who created the website or article. That being said, it speaks the truth. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 Thessalonians 4: Quoting: Osmium76 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words. 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS. There is NO RAPTURE. Scripture agrees with scripture. There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below. Matthew 27 45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. I agree that there is no rapture, but the resurrection of some saints was not identical to Jesus' ressurrection. Jesus was resurrected with an incorruptible body- a supernatural body that was acceptable for heaven. Not so with the others. They were simply resurrected from the dead as Lazuras was. They still lived out their life and died. This is NOT the first resurrection. The resurrection that the Bible speaks of is permanent with bodies that never get sick and die. PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT! Scripture refutes you. Hebrews 9 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The first Resurrection happened when Jesus Christ Himself also was resurrected. These were the first fruits. They were the Israeli by birth and heratage. They were "VIRGINS" they didn't belong to any "church". If you look at scripture. The church is a woman. The catholic church is a harlot. They were virgins, because they are of the original fold. I just said that. The first resurrection happens to millions- not a small number. The bible talks about the second resurrection as being the unbeliever's after the thousand year reign. God raises Jesus. The first resurrection Jesus resurrects the believers. He descends with a SHOUT and the dead in Christ rise first. Pretty clear. The REST of the dead have to be dealt with. That's why the scripture says blessed are those in the first resurrection. Not so for the second resurrection. Thanks. I will look into it further. I may be wrong on my account of how I understand it. Amazing huh? (for those people who think I am being unreasonable about the Rapture. Don't get any ideas. I am 100% confident that is NOT biblical or scriptural. Jesus Christ refutes that Himself.) Thank you for your input on this. I would like to look further into it. If you can offer more of your understanding, WITH SCRIPTURE I am willing to listen. |
Okaywah
User ID: 63628716 United States 05/10/2016 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ironically, I have never seen, heard of or read that link till tonight. I just came across it and read 3/4 of it. I agree with everything it says of what I have read. I don't know who wrote it and I don't know who created the website or article. That being said, it speaks the truth. Quoting: Osmium76 Except that it deceptively misrepresents Christianity (Not unlike the denial that Jesus said and meant "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" in Matthew 25:13). |
TheLordsServant
User ID: 63815983 United States 05/10/2016 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is the whole point of this thread. Quoting: Osmium76 People who endorse a Rapture, by the very definition of the Rapture Theory, believe that they have earned salvation. That is the basic Rapture principle. They believe that they get to catch an express to heaven, because they are approved and worthy. In their mind, they envision a means for the just and faithful to skip all of the testing and trying to come. They are above that because they are already righteous. This means that they can relax. They have made it. They did what they had to do. They are going to Jesus, they don't need to wait for Him to come to them. I'm sorry...but you are making a BIG azzumption with that comment, and even worse, stereotyping / "lumping together" all rapture believers...claiming that you know what each one thinks. You and Chip consistently belittle rapture believers here. You call them stupid & various names. Your arrogance precedes you, claiming that since some of them are obnoxious then you have a "right" to be the same way. ALL OF THIS over a disagreement in interpretation of scriptures Both of you (and others) would do well to learn the meaning of the phrase "you will catch more bears with honey than with a spring trap". I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Anonymous User ID: 68508920 Netherlands 05/10/2016 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SALVATION IS THE DECPTION! THE MESSAGES BELOW ARE A WARNING - IF YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO LISTEN. IF ONE CARRIES EVEN A TINY SEED OF DOUBT INSIDE ABOUT THE COMPLETE TRUTH OF YOUR BELIEFS - FAILURE TO HONOR THE SOUL'S INNER VOICE - A DEMAND THAT YOU TO TEST BELIEFS & FACE YOUR DOUBTS - WILL PESTER, PURSUE AND CONSUME YOU IN THE END. "Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world." - Voltaire “If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be - a Christian." - Mark Twain "When people expect God to plan their lives for them, and protect them, they tend to lose their motivation to guide and control their own lives." - Charles W. Faulkner "I know of no book which has been a source of brutality and sadistic conduct, both public and private, that can compare with the Bible." - Sir James Paget "There was a time when religion ruled the world. It is known as the Dark Ages." - Ruth Hurmence Green "There was a time when I believed in the story and the scheme of salvation, so far as I could understand it, just as I believed there was a Devil... Suddenly the light broke through to me and I knew this God was a lie... For indeed it is a silly story, and each generation nowadays swallows it with greater difficulty. Why do people go on pretending about this Christianity?" - H. G. Wells "Where knowledge ends, religion begins." - Benjamin Disraeli "The God of the Bible is a moral monstrosity." - Henry Ward Beecher "The careful student of history will discover that Christianity has been of very little value in advancing civilization, but has done a great deal toward retarding it." - Matilda Joslyn Gage "I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, and the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough - I call it the one immortal blemish on the human race." - Friedrich Nietzsche "We have become so accustomed to the religious lie that surrounds us that we do not notice the atrocity, stupidity and cruelty with which the teaching of the Christian church is permeated." - Leo Tolstoy "Good people can do good and bad people can do evil. But for good people to do evil -- that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg "Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein "Turn over the pages of history and read the damning record of the church's opposition to every advance in every field of science. . . ." - Upton Sinclair "Catholicism is contrary to human liberty. Catholicism bases salvation upon belief. Catholicism teaches man to trample his reason under foot. And for that reason it is wrong." - Robert Ingersoll "The principle of the Inquisition was murderous. . . . The popes were not only murderers in the great style, but they also made murder a legal basis of the Christian Church and a condition of salvation." - Lord Acton |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63492018 United States 05/10/2016 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most important things are: Belief in Jesus, watching for His return, belief in being raised from the dead, repenting. My dear Mother taught me about the rapture way back in the 70's after reading Hal Lindsey's books. My mother died 2 1/2 years ago and is now with Jesus. Did the rapture really matter concerning her salvation? I say no. Jesus did not hang on the cross and say to the thief that was next to him - "You have to believe in the rapture." No. He said after the thief stated Jesus was God that he would be with him that day in paradise. The scripture teaches that we need to be ready to meet our maker TODAY. We could die today. We aren't promised tomorrow. If there is a rapture, it may happen today or it may happen ten years from now. If TODAY you hear his voice, harden not your hearts. All the rapture has succeeded in doing is divide believers. Believers-- not unbelievers. We are not appointed to God's wrath, Jesus tells us to pray to escape the time of trial that is to come upon the earth. But until the wrath, we ALL could experience something horrific and it could be a number of things: we could get cancer, we could be killed in an earthquake or car accident, we could have a home invader bust in, we could get sick and die any number of ways. Heck, there have been homes near me that have been struck by lightening and people barely escaped before the home was engulfed in flames and burnt to the ground. God already knows the number of my days. Like watching a parade from a bird side view, He sees the beginning, middle and end - all at the same time. He is in control and on the throne. And like pastor Chuck Baldwin, He is steering me away from the focus of the rapture as well. To me it's almost like a false God. It takes the focus off of Jesus too much. In the end, all that matters is Jesus. What does it really matter when Jesus is in control of my life anyway? He knew my mother wouldn't be raptured. My mother really hoped to be. So in the end - what really mattered concerning her salvation was that she was a believer and was ready to meet her maker. We have to be ready every single day people. That's why the rapture is a moot point. Because we honestly don't know when the two witnesses are coming, when the seven year treaty with the anti-Christ happens or when the anti-Christ comes to power. All we know is how it all ends--Jesus is the victor. He told us to watch and be ready. If it's not a salvation issue, all I'm concerned about is Jesus forgiving my flawed self and dying for me and everyone else that is flawed. Watch therefore, for you do not know when the son of man cometh. Scripture tells us we do not know and we cannot know. So what matters? We are not promised tomorrow so we have to be ready TODAY to meet Him as he sees fit. There are Christians that are being persecuted and killed and this can surely happen to us. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72105668 United States 05/10/2016 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ironically, I have never seen, heard of or read that link till tonight. I just came across it and read 3/4 of it. I agree with everything it says of what I have read. I don't know who wrote it and I don't know who created the website or article. That being said, it speaks the truth. Quoting: Osmium76 Except that it deceptively misrepresents Christianity (Not unlike the denial that Jesus said and meant "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" in Matthew 25:13). Actually, I can't see where it does? It doesn't say that Jesus isn't returning and that we don't have to watch ourselves to see that we are approved? You do know that that is what we are supposed to watch for, right? We are supposed to guard ourselves against the sins of the flesh. THAT IS WHAT WE WATCH FOR. I am pretty sure that is what the context of the scripture means. People mistakenly believe that we are watching for Jesus. We are not. Read that scripture again and apply the meaning I just said to it. Put it into context of the whole chapter. The wise virgins are living in the spirit. that is what the extra oil is. The foolish ones are of a carnal mind, so they didn't have the spirit. Thus they didn't have extra oil. The lamp represents the fleshly body of which they both have. That is my understanding of that scripture. I am fairly certain it is an allegory telling us not to be conformed to the world and distracted by the cares of it so that we are caught unprepared when Jesus does come. I believe it is telling us to live in the spirit. |