RAPTURE!! It is coming and I will be saved because I am better than you! (SARCASM) Update pg 22

YES!!

THANK YOU MERCIFUL GOD!

I really do NOT hate people who believe in the Rapture.

It is the false belief that I despise. It is out of LOVE that I attempt to show them the flaw in this false doctrine.

He already did it for you some time ago. and it is THE done job? He alrwady had fully intervened, and you are still struggling to stop beating the water with your extremities.
I know that the gift is fully furnished, and I grabbed the the gift of its completeness. So, I am not in the burning building any more...

why do I smell the fish in your love?

You know....I thought you had a breakthrough. I guess I was wrong?

The whole theory of the Rapture is that we have the ability to go to Jesus. This is NOT so. We can't lift ourselves up. He needs to come and do it for us. His COMING IS STATED AS TO HOW THIS WILL OCCUR. Not us going to Him.

You know....I thought you had a breakthrough. I guess I was wrong?

The whole theory of the Rapture is that we have the ability to go to Jesus. This is NOT so. We can't lift ourselves up. He needs to come and do it for us. His COMING IS STATED AS TO HOW THIS WILL OCCUR. Not us going to Him.

You know....I thought you had a breakthrough. I guess I was wrong?

The whole theory of the Rapture is that we have the ability to go to Jesus. This is NOT so. We can't lift ourselves up. He needs to come and do it for us. His COMING IS STATED AS TO HOW THIS WILL OCCUR. Not us going to Him.

I guess I should clarify that His second coming is when He brings the reward. We can't arbitrarily climb up to where He is and take it of our own accord. That is theft. He has to offer it and we can't accept it until He presents it to us. He comes to us to do that. We don't go to Him.

now you have totally lost it in the jungle...
If your rewards is a the judgement to be executed on the whole world, then I out of here...

Well, to make a point.

It appears that you struggle with grammar.

The reward is in His coming. NOT us going to Him. It isn't up to us to decide we are worthy, but Jesus.

The boss decides who gets the promotion, not the employee.

wow, you are so transparent! I struggle with the tablet, slowed down by the heavy pages of this website.
The one who sruggles is you, and you sruggle with me, and against me. The Boss had already made the decision. Don't get blotted out.
Now I am out off here... for good.

That is the whole point of this thread.

People who endorse a Rapture, by the very definition of the Rapture Theory, believe that they have earned salvation. That is the basic Rapture principle.

They believe that they get to catch an express to heaven, because they are approved and worthy. In their mind, they envision a means for the just and faithful to skip all of the testing and trying to come. They are above that because they are already righteous. This means that they can relax. They have made it. They did what they had to do. They are going to Jesus, they don't need to wait for Him to come to them.

Your idiocy is really showing now and exposing you for the phony you are. If you had half a brain in your head you wouldn't be claiming to know what every one else believes.

OP,
I've been already in the woods.
At times they looked like orchards.
I hugged dead trees, ate their fruits,
by beauty I was tortured.
Now I am out,
I was made free,
becoming a twig of God raised Tree.

Nice try.

The Rapture premise is clear on what it endorses.

The Rapture Theory says those who believe in it will go to Christ instead of believing what He says.

HE IS COMING TO US.

That is what the Rapture is all about. Claiming the reward, instead of having it given to you, you are going to go and take it.

op, you are not only in the woods, by with the blinders on too.
Or you do have an agenda? If you do indeed have one, then you have not done your homework, you are ill/mal-prepared

The trib is 4 the jews and unsaved idiot[sarcasm].God has had a salvation plan 4 the gentiles set for 2000 yrs. from Jesus's birth. We r at the end NOW of that.He will pick up with his chosen, elect that's right the jews SOON>

Rapture.

People who believe in a Rapture condemn themselves and others. This isn't a judgment on my part, but quite simply it is a fact as explained below.

They claim they await A SPECIAL return of Jesus Christ at which time He will whisk them away before or at mid tribulation.

Rapturists essentially place themselves on a pedestal, claiming an entitlement to glory and honor. They claim salvation is assured and reserved for them and that they are entitled to a special distinction. This literally is a refusal to acknowledge that God is the only One who has the authority to make that distinction. By way of the Rapture, they have already judged themselves worthy, prior, to the judgment that God says is to take place AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Really? REALLY!!

In so doing, they in essence are passing judgment, not only upon themselves, but also upon those who would be left behind or who might disagree with the non biblical and non scriptural Rapture theory. They magnify themselves while condemning those who "would be" left behind.

The whole basis of the Rapture THEORY is that a Rapture is going to "save" them from the coming wrath and tribulation. The problem with this, is that the desire to be "saved" is a carnal ambition. It is derived from a human emotion tied to a human body. It is not a spiritual ambition.

People who have spiritual insight realize that they don't need to be "saved". They are aware that they already are, as they are spiritually bonded to Jesus Christ. It is only the carnal mind that looks for salvation where it already exists rejecting that fact.

THAT IS WHY THE RAPTURE THEORY IS SO DANGEROUS! IT DOESN'T OFFER SALVATION, INSTEAD IT IS A DENIAL OF THE POWER AND GLORY OF GOD AND IS A DOOR TO DEATH. IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION!!

Consider the following scripture.

Romans 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Control by the Spirit
(Galatians 5:16-26)

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Heirs with Christ
(Genesis 21:1-8; Galatians 4:1-7)

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Having read Romans, you can see that those who believe in the Rapture are not being led by the Spirit. For some reason, they believe that God should send His Son to save them, when in fact He didn't do so for his own Son. As believers in Christ, we are told that we too will suffer the same afflictions. We are told that as Saints, many will lose our lives for our belief and faith, even during the tribulation.

Matthew 5:10King James Version (KJV)

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Mark 13:13King James Version (KJV)

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luke 9:23-25King James Version (KJV)

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Philippians 1:29King James Version (KJV)

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Philippians 3:8-11King James Version (KJV)

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

People of faith need to understand this. The tribulation isn't simply a means to destroy the wicked on earth. The tribulation is a test of our faith. Anyone who believes that they can escape the tribulation denies Christ. They show they do not believe in the power of resurrection. They are looking for an easy out. Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. They are being led by carnal motivation which results in death. They want Christ to save them, rather than taking up and bearing the same cross He did. Christ wants to know that we are willing to sacrifice ourselves FOR Him as He did for us. We must be willing to face and overcome death as Christ himself did.

Rapturists who want to be saved, want to skip all of the testing of the heart of men prior to the harvest. This literally makes them tares in the wheat and they will be plucked up and burnt, because they are taking the path that leads to destruction.

Consider Christs' own words.

Luke 17
33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Matthew 13
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 24
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

AS SCRIPTURE SAYS. JESUS CHRIST COMES AFTER THE TRIBULATION, NOT DURING AND NOT BEFORE. SO WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE? JESUS? OR SOMEONE WHO COMES BEARING A RAPTURE PHILOSOPHY THAT ISN'T BIBLICAL?

Colossians 2
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Psalm 91 Shows the Power and Glory of God and his ability to shelter you through adversity and yes, even the tribulation.

My Refuge and My Fortress
Psalm 91
1He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

Wow Christians arguing with Christians passionately about something thats never going to happen again.

Its worth it and its productive because after reading all these posts someone will change their mind..........never.

Each believer thinking they are more righteous than the others.


Pathetic

With socialism, if you're neighbor is shit, you is shit. Raise your bar, meet it, and then you don't gotta apologize cause I can be a maybe - I'm not these other people.

I am NOT a Christian.

You have NOT shown scripture to support a Rapture.

I have shown numerous times where Jesus Christ say that He is returning and every eye will behold Him.

He comes to us, not the other way around.

That is what scripture says. That is what Jesus says.

Try to find in my commments doctrinal disagreement with the the Word, without me speaking to you in conveniently arranged verses.
Get lost ... oh well, you already are... lost.

Sorry, the message of this thread isn't for you. Obviously, you are blind to it. Others will find it informative and realize that it is truth.

truth is brief and uncomplicated, and is made to be catered to the fishereman, so that they can catch greater things than fishs, namely the human souls. you lied about going fishing.

1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore ||comfort one another with these words.

2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels ||with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The preceding scripture ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE DAY OF THE LORD. They are parallel scripture. They are NOT different occurrences.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 IS EXACTLY THE SAME ACCOUNT BEING GIVEN IN MATTHEW 24:29-31 TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD WHICH OCCURS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. THIS IS ALSO WHEN THE SECOND RESURRECTION OCCURS.

There is NO RAPTURE.

Scripture agrees with scripture.

There are Saints that arose at Jesus Resurrection along with Him. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS! look below.

Matthew 27
45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Actually, you read into that what you wanted too. I LITERALLY WENT FISHING LAST NIGHT. with a fishing pole and bait. I literally caught one fish.

People do the same crap with the Rapture. They make it fit what they want.