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The Curious Case of Ted Cruz and Jose Medellin

 
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Deported Illegal back here again?

Mandatory 5 Years.




Sen. Cruz and Rep. Salmon Introduce “Kate’s Law,” the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act
Bill would establish five-year minimum for illegal aliens who have reentered the country after having been removed


WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) introduced "Kate's Law," the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act of 2015 as a companion to legislation introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.). The bill would amend federal law to impose a mandatory minimum sentence of five years for any illegal reentry offense. The bill is named for Kate Steinle, the 32-year-old woman who tragically died in the arms of her father on a San Francisco pier after being shot by an illegal alien who had several felony convictions and had been deported from the United States five times.



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Deported Illegal back here again?

Mandatory 5 Years.




Sen. Cruz and Rep. Salmon Introduce “Kate’s Law,” the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act
Bill would establish five-year minimum for illegal aliens who have reentered the country after having been removed


WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) introduced "Kate's Law," the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act of 2015 as a companion to legislation introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.). The bill would amend federal law to impose a mandatory minimum sentence of five years for any illegal reentry offense. The bill is named for Kate Steinle, the 32-year-old woman who tragically died in the arms of her father on a San Francisco pier after being shot by an illegal alien who had several felony convictions and had been deported from the United States five times.



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Hell yeah!
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Brilliant. First Rafael and Glenn beck lure illegals to the US with gift baskets and tax payer $$$. Then a tragedy happens so he exploits it to help his presidency.

link to Rafael and beck welcoming illegals.

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Brilliant. First Rafael and Glenn beck lure illegals to the US with gift baskets and tax payer $$$. Then a tragedy happens so he exploits it to help his presidency.

link to Rafael and beck welcoming illegals.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
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Better than Trump having his products made overseas by foreigners, or when he does something in the USA using undocumented Construction Workers like he did on Trump Tower.
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Why did George W. Bush endorse David Dewhurst instead of Ted Cruz for the vacant Kay Bailey Hutchinson Senate Seat...

Why? Cruz, as a long time Texas Republican, worked on George W. Bush's Presidential Campaign, was even a hired attorney in the Florida debacle, but still the Bush's were always sour on Cruz...

Here's why...

In 2003, Jose Ernesto Medellin was on death row for his subhuman crimes a decade earlier: the rape and murder of two young girls, ages 14 and 16. Medellin was an illegal immigrant and sought to have his execution stayed, claiming that during his trial he was not notified of an international law through which he could have obtained legal aid from the Mexican consulate. Mexico then sued the United States on behalf of Medellin and 50 other illegal immigrants that were incarcerated in the U.S. for crimes they committed on US soil, citing the same loophole.

District and appellate courts threw out Medellin’s requests, but the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. Before the case could be argued, however, the Bush administration stepped in.

Bush took the position that as president, he had the authority under the Constitution to order states to review the convictions and sentences of foreign nationals in order to advise them of their rights according to international law.

Prompted by the Bush memorandum, Medellin re-filed in Texas state court. Who was the state's solicitor general? Ted Cruz.

After the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Medellin’s second appeal, the Supreme Court once again said they would take up the case. Ted Cruz argued the case before the Supreme Court in what was a quite contentious back and forth, recounted below from a summer 2014 issue of the New Yorker:

He (Cruz) argued that the President could not order Texas to reopen the cases without the specific authorization of Congress. Cruz duelled with Stephen Breyer and other skeptical Justices for well over the allotted thirty minutes. Breyer ribbed Cruz: “As I read the Constitution, it says all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States shall be the supreme law of the land, and the judges in every state—I guess it means including Texas”—the audience laughed—“shall be bound thereby.”

“Certainly, Justice Breyer,” Cruz answered. “Texas, of course, does not dispute that the Constitution, laws, and treaties are the supreme law of the land.” But, he went on, the President’s order, in this case, was none of these. The questioning of Cruz became so raucous that, at one point, Justice John Paul Stevens felt compelled to interject, “You said there are six reasons. . . . I really would like to hear what those reasons are without interruption from all of my colleagues.” Cruz won the case, six-to-three, with Stevens joining the Court’s conservatives.



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He did the morally correct thing and the constitutional law was in his favor.

Trump does the morally correct thing also.

Cruz was doing his job. He lost more cases in front of the Supremes than he won.
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Why did George W. Bush endorse David Dewhurst instead of Ted Cruz for the vacant Kay Bailey Hutchinson Senate Seat...

Why? Cruz, as a long time Texas Republican, worked on George W. Bush's Presidential Campaign, was even a hired attorney in the Florida debacle, but still the Bush's were always sour on Cruz...

Here's why...

In 2003, Jose Ernesto Medellin was on death row for his subhuman crimes a decade earlier: the rape and murder of two young girls, ages 14 and 16. Medellin was an illegal immigrant and sought to have his execution stayed, claiming that during his trial he was not notified of an international law through which he could have obtained legal aid from the Mexican consulate. Mexico then sued the United States on behalf of Medellin and 50 other illegal immigrants that were incarcerated in the U.S. for crimes they committed on US soil, citing the same loophole.

District and appellate courts threw out Medellin’s requests, but the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. Before the case could be argued, however, the Bush administration stepped in.

Bush took the position that as president, he had the authority under the Constitution to order states to review the convictions and sentences of foreign nationals in order to advise them of their rights according to international law.

Prompted by the Bush memorandum, Medellin re-filed in Texas state court. Who was the state's solicitor general? Ted Cruz.

After the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Medellin’s second appeal, the Supreme Court once again said they would take up the case. Ted Cruz argued the case before the Supreme Court in what was a quite contentious back and forth, recounted below from a summer 2014 issue of the New Yorker:

He (Cruz) argued that the President could not order Texas to reopen the cases without the specific authorization of Congress. Cruz duelled with Stephen Breyer and other skeptical Justices for well over the allotted thirty minutes. Breyer ribbed Cruz: “As I read the Constitution, it says all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States shall be the supreme law of the land, and the judges in every state—I guess it means including Texas”—the audience laughed—“shall be bound thereby.”

“Certainly, Justice Breyer,” Cruz answered. “Texas, of course, does not dispute that the Constitution, laws, and treaties are the supreme law of the land.” But, he went on, the President’s order, in this case, was none of these. The questioning of Cruz became so raucous that, at one point, Justice John Paul Stevens felt compelled to interject, “You said there are six reasons. . . . I really would like to hear what those reasons are without interruption from all of my colleagues.” Cruz won the case, six-to-three, with Stevens joining the Court’s conservatives.



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 Quoting: Saddletramp


He did the morally correct thing and the constitutional law was in his favor.

Trump does the morally correct thing also.

Cruz was doing his job. He lost more cases in front of the Supremes than he won.
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Trump is a liar and a cheat. He has his products made overseas. He fucks American workers out of their salaries by taking bankruptcy every few years, and he uses undocumented workers for his dirty work like he did on Trump Tower in New York. No one in the Casino business has taken bankruptcy more than Trump. No one has a worse reputation in the Casino business than Trump.
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Ha ha, just saw where Trumps son and daughter don't get to vote for papa in the New York because they're not Republicans either, like father like children apparently.
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That Cruz chick works for Goldman Sacks. That should be all the information a true Patriot needs.
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That Trump chic is a gold digging porn whore. Perfect for Trumps second upgrade to a younger model.
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REALLY? I don't care about Trumps POA but a bankster ho I do care about.
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im from Texas.
While all those liberal states are trying to do away with the death penalty, my state put in an express lane. You kill someone in Texas, we will kil, you back.

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Rafael Cruz supported amnesty.

Cruz, May 21, 2013: They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR [Lawful Permanent Resident] status as well so that they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principal objective, to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen, but what it would do is remove the pathway to citizenship so that there are real consequences that respect the rule of law and that treat legal immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.

Cuck Cruz liberal fags deserve the same fate as demorats. If you Cruz cucks were alive during the American revolution you would have been loyal to the Crown because the Founders were being too mean. You think Glenn Specks ever been in a fist fight? Airwalk wearing weasel fuck. Man the fuck up Cruz cucks.
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I think if people would look at the Nine Cases Ted Cruz argued before SCOTUS, the brilliance of the arguments, the reasons for the cases, and the fact that he won all NINE!!!

Ted does come across pretty scripted, people need to see a more personal side to him, his reasoning.
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you fukin nailed it right here.. Ted Cruz is brilliant but he needs to lose the scripted politician crap. its cringy
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From the Article in the OP...

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"If Ted Cruz were a typical politician, he would not have gone against his own Republican President from his own home state; he might have sided with his “Hispanic” roots like Luis Gutierrez, he might have considered his future and his career like Bush suggested he is doing now: “opportunistically.” But Ted Cruz opted for justice and the rule of law where Bush grabbed at power he did not have."
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Yet... Jeb endorses him, hell, the entire GOP Establishment is getting behind him to stop Trump.

Neil Bush is on his campaign. McConnell's lawyer is funding a Cruz Super Pac.

I don't think Ted Cruz is a "threat" to the Establishment he makes himself out to be.

But he was SMART enough to SHORE UP his conservative "chops" when he had the chance to publicly do so.

He reminds me of Nixon.
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In similar spoiler fashion, Cruz, as solicitor general, sought uber harsh penalties on some cases despite recommendations of leniency and some evidence of investigative shenanigans. I'll look for the link.

Dude is a Dominionist vigilante nutjob.
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From the Article in the OP...

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"If Ted Cruz were a typical politician, he would not have gone against his own Republican President from his own home state; he might have sided with his “Hispanic” roots like Luis Gutierrez, he might have considered his future and his career like Bush suggested he is doing now: “opportunistically.” But Ted Cruz opted for justice and the rule of law where Bush grabbed at power he did not have."
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Yet... Jeb endorses him, hell, the entire GOP Establishment is getting behind him to stop Trump.

Neil Bush is on his campaign. McConnell's lawyer is funding a Cruz Super Pac.

I don't think Ted Cruz is a "threat" to the Establishment he makes himself out to be.

But he was SMART enough to SHORE UP his conservative "chops" when he had the chance to publicly do so.

He reminds me of Nixon.
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The Nixon guy, Roger Stone, is with Trump.

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In similar spoiler fashion, Cruz, as solicitor general, sought uber harsh penalties on some cases despite recommendations of leniency and some evidence of investigative shenanigans. I'll look for the link.

Dude is a Dominionist vigilante nutjob.
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[link to mobile.nytimes.com]
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Again, Cruz is doubted due to so many "red flags" about the guy.
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Cruz is doubted due to "so many red flags" due to the incessant campaign of personal destruction being run against him where every and any accusation is trumpeted so constantly and repeatedly for the express sole purpose of demonizing, vilifying and destroying the man in a relentless attack of smearing propaganda.
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Again, Cruz is doubted due to so many "red flags" about the guy.
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Cruz is doubted due to "so many red flags" due to the incessant campaign of personal destruction being run against him where every and any accusation is trumpeted so constantly and repeatedly for the express sole purpose of demonizing, vilifying and destroying the man in a relentless attack of smearing propaganda.
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Wrong.

He's personally disliked because he has an unyielding, warped sense of justice and is personally creepy.

Read the links.
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Cruz is the most conservative candidate the GOP has had in years. But he is a politician. And his name is not Trump so good luck converting anyone around here.

I am now rooting for a Trump-Clinton race. Which would open the best opportunity the Libertarian Party has ever had.
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If it's Trump vs Clinton I'll be voting for Gary Johnson again this time...
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I'll be voting for Johnson regardless, again

:Libertarian:
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You guys should google the m*ther j*nes article about what people who know him think of Ted Cruz. From his days in college to his clerking at the SC to time in the Senate. Very revealing.
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But there are three problems he has

Goldman Sachs

CFR

Israel

just like all of the current candidates
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blah blah blah. AC is probably saddlefag.

Cruz fighting to be on the ballot in NJ over edibility.

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"Edibility"...

chuckle

Actually Cruz isn't fighting to be on the ballot, the election board already put him on the ballot, Trump proxies are fighting to keep him off the ballot. Trump proxies case in New York got dismissed, I imagine this one will as well...
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Brilliant. First Rafael and Glenn beck lure illegals to the US with gift baskets and tax payer $$$. Then a tragedy happens so he exploits it to help his presidency.

link to Rafael and beck welcoming illegals.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
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Wait a minute!!! Are you trying to say Cruz somehow lured Medellin here, then he killed those girls, then Cruz gets famous...

That's so ridiculous I should have figured you would try that, you probably think Cruz is the Zodiac Killer too...I guess he has a time machine and goes around just fuckin' shit up...

chuckle

The "Gift Baskets" they're referring too were not "Gift Baskets" they were care packages for underage children that were incarcerated without their parents at an ICE Facility in West Texas. The Care Packages were mostly small cheap toys for the children and they were donated by Churches. Cruz didn't go there to give out the care packages, he went there to inspect the ICE Facility, but he gave out the small toys to the little kids too.

He later was all over TV in Texas railing about the Crisis on the border, created by Soros and Obama, and how it was imperative that we seal our borders before it got worse.
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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Why did George W. Bush endorse David Dewhurst instead of Ted Cruz for the vacant Kay Bailey Hutchinson Senate Seat...

Why? Cruz, as a long time Texas Republican, worked on George W. Bush's Presidential Campaign, was even a hired attorney in the Florida debacle, but still the Bush's were always sour on Cruz...

Here's why...

In 2003, Jose Ernesto Medellin was on death row for his subhuman crimes a decade earlier: the rape and murder of two young girls, ages 14 and 16. Medellin was an illegal immigrant and sought to have his execution stayed, claiming that during his trial he was not notified of an international law through which he could have obtained legal aid from the Mexican consulate. Mexico then sued the United States on behalf of Medellin and 50 other illegal immigrants that were incarcerated in the U.S. for crimes they committed on US soil, citing the same loophole.

District and appellate courts threw out Medellin’s requests, but the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. Before the case could be argued, however, the Bush administration stepped in.

Bush took the position that as president, he had the authority under the Constitution to order states to review the convictions and sentences of foreign nationals in order to advise them of their rights according to international law.

Prompted by the Bush memorandum, Medellin re-filed in Texas state court. Who was the state's solicitor general? Ted Cruz.

After the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals dismissed Medellin’s second appeal, the Supreme Court once again said they would take up the case. Ted Cruz argued the case before the Supreme Court in what was a quite contentious back and forth, recounted below from a summer 2014 issue of the New Yorker:

He (Cruz) argued that the President could not order Texas to reopen the cases without the specific authorization of Congress. Cruz duelled with Stephen Breyer and other skeptical Justices for well over the allotted thirty minutes. Breyer ribbed Cruz: “As I read the Constitution, it says all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States shall be the supreme law of the land, and the judges in every state—I guess it means including Texas”—the audience laughed—“shall be bound thereby.”

“Certainly, Justice Breyer,” Cruz answered. “Texas, of course, does not dispute that the Constitution, laws, and treaties are the supreme law of the land.” But, he went on, the President’s order, in this case, was none of these. The questioning of Cruz became so raucous that, at one point, Justice John Paul Stevens felt compelled to interject, “You said there are six reasons. . . . I really would like to hear what those reasons are without interruption from all of my colleagues.” Cruz won the case, six-to-three, with Stevens joining the Court’s conservatives.



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 Quoting: Saddletramp


He did the morally correct thing and the constitutional law was in his favor.

Trump does the morally correct thing also.

Cruz was doing his job. He lost more cases in front of the Supremes than he won.
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Was Trump doing the morally correct thing with his first, second, third, or fourth bankruptcy?
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"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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Rafael Cruz supported amnesty.

Cruz, May 21, 2013: They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR [Lawful Permanent Resident] status as well so that they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principal objective, to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen, but what it would do is remove the pathway to citizenship so that there are real consequences that respect the rule of law and that treat legal immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.

Cuck Cruz liberal fags deserve the same fate as demorats. If you Cruz cucks were alive during the American revolution you would have been loyal to the Crown because the Founders were being too mean. You think Glenn Specks ever been in a fist fight? Airwalk wearing weasel fuck. Man the fuck up Cruz cucks.
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Cruz does not support Amnesty, and in fact he was the Senator that introduced the Poison Pill Amendment that shot down the Gang of Eight's Amnesty bill

This is more blatant disinformation from the Trump camp...

[link to www.newsmax.com]
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"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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Brilliant. First Rafael and Glenn beck lure illegals to the US with gift baskets and tax payer $$$. Then a tragedy happens so he exploits it to help his presidency.

link to Rafael and beck welcoming illegals.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


Wait a minute!!! Are you trying to say Cruz somehow lured Medellin here, then he killed those girls, then Cruz gets famous...

That's so ridiculous I should have figured you would try that, you probably think Cruz is the Zodiac Killer too...I guess he has a time machine and goes around just fuckin' shit up...

chuckle

The "Gift Baskets" they're referring too were not "Gift Baskets" they were care packages for underage children that were incarcerated without their parents at an ICE Facility in West Texas. The Care Packages were mostly small cheap toys for the children and they were donated by Churches. Cruz didn't go there to give out the care packages, he went there to inspect the ICE Facility, but he gave out the small toys to the little kids too.

He later was all over TV in Texas railing about the Crisis on the border, created by Soros and Obama, and how it was imperative that we seal our borders before it got worse.
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Haha lying shill tard. Over 90% of the gift baskets went to adults. The whole thing was a scam. They just used the term minors to get the $$$$$$. Stop lying

This link covers it.

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Rafael Cruz supported amnesty.

Cruz, May 21, 2013: They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR [Lawful Permanent Resident] status as well so that they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principal objective, to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen, but what it would do is remove the pathway to citizenship so that there are real consequences that respect the rule of law and that treat legal immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.

Cuck Cruz liberal fags deserve the same fate as demorats. If you Cruz cucks were alive during the American revolution you would have been loyal to the Crown because the Founders were being too mean. You think Glenn Specks ever been in a fist fight? Airwalk wearing weasel fuck. Man the fuck up Cruz cucks.
 Quoting: jayusa


Cruz does not support Amnesty, and in fact he was the Senator that introduced the Poison Pill Amendment that shot down the Gang of Eight's Amnesty bill

This is more blatant disinformation from the Trump camp...

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 Quoting: Saddletramp


Nice word game you are trying to play there. Rafael did support amnesty. Now he doesn't because he knows it is unpopular and is running for president. sheesh same weak denial as always from you.

Rafael's own words contradicting his stance on amnesty. His poison pill was a lie made up to try and save his ass.

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I betcha wish you still had the power to ban people daring to post anything unsavory regarding daddy cruz.
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Brilliant. First Rafael and Glenn beck lure illegals to the US with gift baskets and tax payer $$$. Then a tragedy happens so he exploits it to help his presidency.

link to Rafael and beck welcoming illegals.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


Wait a minute!!! Are you trying to say Cruz somehow lured Medellin here, then he killed those girls, then Cruz gets famous...

That's so ridiculous I should have figured you would try that, you probably think Cruz is the Zodiac Killer too...I guess he has a time machine and goes around just fuckin' shit up...

chuckle

The "Gift Baskets" they're referring too were not "Gift Baskets" they were care packages for underage children that were incarcerated without their parents at an ICE Facility in West Texas. The Care Packages were mostly small cheap toys for the children and they were donated by Churches. Cruz didn't go there to give out the care packages, he went there to inspect the ICE Facility, but he gave out the small toys to the little kids too.

He later was all over TV in Texas railing about the Crisis on the border, created by Soros and Obama, and how it was imperative that we seal our borders before it got worse.
 Quoting: Saddletramp



Haha lying shill tard. Over 90% of the gift baskets went to adults. The whole thing was a scam. They just used the term minors to get the $$$$$$. Stop lying

This link covers it.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]


Rafael Cruz supported amnesty.

Cruz, May 21, 2013: They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR [Lawful Permanent Resident] status as well so that they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principal objective, to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen, but what it would do is remove the pathway to citizenship so that there are real consequences that respect the rule of law and that treat legal immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.

Cuck Cruz liberal fags deserve the same fate as demorats. If you Cruz cucks were alive during the American revolution you would have been loyal to the Crown because the Founders were being too mean. You think Glenn Specks ever been in a fist fight? Airwalk wearing weasel fuck. Man the fuck up Cruz cucks.
 Quoting: jayusa


Cruz does not support Amnesty, and in fact he was the Senator that introduced the Poison Pill Amendment that shot down the Gang of Eight's Amnesty bill

This is more blatant disinformation from the Trump camp...

[link to www.newsmax.com]
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Nice word game you are trying to play there. Rafael did support amnesty. Now he doesn't because he knows it is unpopular and is running for president. sheesh same weak denial as always from you.

Rafael's own words contradicting his stance on amnesty. His poison pill was a lie made up to try and save his ass.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I betcha wish you still had the power to ban people daring to post anything unsavory regarding daddy cruz.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


I never banned people for their political opinion, and I still don't. I ban for personal attacks, I ban for spamming repetitive shit...same as always. I'll leave up your repetitive shit because you make my point.

Cruz NEVER accepted the Gang of Eight or Obama Amnesty bills, he was the Senator that KILLED the Gang of Eight Amnesty. Now you've taken some of his speeches about a path to citizenship and twisted that like he's been in favor of the Amnesty bills put forward to date, but nothing could be further from the truth...

[link to www.newsmax.com]

[link to www.tedcruz.org (secure)]

Also, the care packages did not go to adults, they went to children at the ICE Facility. As usual, the Conservativetreehouse is proving to be the Trump.org plant it's been from the beginning...

Not sure what adults were going to do with cheap Teddy Bears and Soccer Balls...

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Brilliant. First Rafael and Glenn beck lure illegals to the US with gift baskets and tax payer $$$. Then a tragedy happens so he exploits it to help his presidency.

link to Rafael and beck welcoming illegals.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


Wait a minute!!! Are you trying to say Cruz somehow lured Medellin here, then he killed those girls, then Cruz gets famous...

That's so ridiculous I should have figured you would try that, you probably think Cruz is the Zodiac Killer too...I guess he has a time machine and goes around just fuckin' shit up...

chuckle

The "Gift Baskets" they're referring too were not "Gift Baskets" they were care packages for underage children that were incarcerated without their parents at an ICE Facility in West Texas. The Care Packages were mostly small cheap toys for the children and they were donated by Churches. Cruz didn't go there to give out the care packages, he went there to inspect the ICE Facility, but he gave out the small toys to the little kids too.

He later was all over TV in Texas railing about the Crisis on the border, created by Soros and Obama, and how it was imperative that we seal our borders before it got worse.
 Quoting: Saddletramp



Haha lying shill tard. Over 90% of the gift baskets went to adults. The whole thing was a scam. They just used the term minors to get the $$$$$$. Stop lying

This link covers it.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]


Rafael Cruz supported amnesty.

Cruz, May 21, 2013: They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR [Lawful Permanent Resident] status as well so that they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principal objective, to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen, but what it would do is remove the pathway to citizenship so that there are real consequences that respect the rule of law and that treat legal immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.

Cuck Cruz liberal fags deserve the same fate as demorats. If you Cruz cucks were alive during the American revolution you would have been loyal to the Crown because the Founders were being too mean. You think Glenn Specks ever been in a fist fight? Airwalk wearing weasel fuck. Man the fuck up Cruz cucks.
 Quoting: jayusa


Cruz does not support Amnesty, and in fact he was the Senator that introduced the Poison Pill Amendment that shot down the Gang of Eight's Amnesty bill

This is more blatant disinformation from the Trump camp...

[link to www.newsmax.com]
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Nice word game you are trying to play there. Rafael did support amnesty. Now he doesn't because he knows it is unpopular and is running for president. sheesh same weak denial as always from you.

Rafael's own words contradicting his stance on amnesty. His poison pill was a lie made up to try and save his ass.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I betcha wish you still had the power to ban people daring to post anything unsavory regarding daddy cruz.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


I never banned people for their political opinion, and I still don't. I ban for personal attacks, I ban for spamming repetitive shit...same as always. I'll leave up your repetitive shit because you make my point.

Cruz NEVER accepted the Gang of Eight or Obama Amnesty bills, he was the Senator that KILLED the Gang of Eight Amnesty. Now you've taken some of his speeches about a path to citizenship and twisted that like he's been in favor of the Amnesty bills put forward to date, but nothing could be further from the truth...

[link to www.newsmax.com]

[link to www.tedcruz.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Saddletramp



You just can't stop lying. haha. You are the one that keeps posting and spamming "repetitive shit".

Cruz did support amnesty, stop shilling dude.

Lets list his accomplishments.

1.Joined forces with Mitch McConnell in October 2013
[link to www.cnn.com]

2.Would not campaign for conservative challengers in 2013/2014
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

3.Gave $200,000 from his Leadership PAC to the NRSC

4.Advocated for 500,000 additional H1-B immigrant visas

5.Ran to the Border with Glenn Beck for Illegal Aliens, Soccer Balls and Teddy Bears
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

6.Supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform (along with Senator Rubio)
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

7.Voted to support the Iran Deal – To Include Corker/Cardin Amendment (only Senator Tom Cotton voted against)
[link to www.congress.gov (secure)]
[link to www.senate.gov]

8.Voted to support TPA – The gateway to Trans Pacific Trade Deal
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

9.Cruz failed to show up to vote for the Audit the Fed bill.

10.Cruz was for the Iran deal before he was against it

much much much more at this link with citation and proof

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
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Btw sundace from TCH use to support Rafael. He supported his senate campaign. He just found out how slimey and deceptive he was and continues to be this election cycle.
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Well all political candidates have received money from Super PAC's to date...including Trump, so I don't even understand why that's an issue.

Cruz is an actual Republican, and they acknowledged he was their best chance to beat the Johnny-Come-Lately pseudo-republican Trump. Cruz has been a long time Republican, but he's also been a thorn in their side, first as Texas Solicitor General, then from his Senate seat.

Nothing I've seen in his votes in the Senate, or his positions indicates anything is about to change in his ideology...unlike Trump who changes his ideology every time he goes on TV...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Oh please...Cruz is the only one who is claiming to be an "outsider" while being just the opposite.

I guess Cruz paying off Walker's campaign debt in return for Walker's endorsement doesn't bother you either? How about Cruz's former roommates saying that Cruz will be whatever you want him to be just to be elected?

No?

Maybe you should listen to these guys:



I will leave you with this...right now in this country we do NOT need another freakin' lawyer even one who has memorized the Constitution, we need a CEO who will kick ass and take names. This country is in very bad shape and the last thing we need is another demagogue who thinks that his short, practically non-existent resume makes him qualified to take on this bloated, corrupt mess in Washington.

We need a doer and not a talker with a screechy voice...

You stay with the guy who has convinced himself that G-d wants Ted Cruz to be president and I will answer and repeat what I read a few days ago..."If G-d wanted Ted Cruz to be president of the United States then He would have made sure that Cruz was born here".
 Quoting: davvi


I wouldn't describe Cruz as an "Outsider", anymore than I would describe long time Congressman Ron Paul as an outsider. I think Ron Paul and Ted Cruz are both "Anti-Establishment", and I think that's born out with the story in the OP and his record for the last four years in the Senate.

And regarding this "CEO who will kick ass and take names"...where you gonna find him? Donald Trump has taken bankruptcy more than anyone else in the Casino business, his business record has not really been exemplary at all. He's a much better salesman than he's ever been in Real Estate.

"If God wanted Ted Cruz to be president of the United States then He would have made sure that Cruz was born here..." Wow Davvi, bringing God into it, that's desperate. You're getting very shrill here.

But's it's funny. Here ya go I'll throw one back at you, "If God didn't want Cruz to be President of the United States he would make sure a court or election board found him ineligible..."
 Quoting: Saddletramp


"Wow Davvi, bringing G-d into it?" Are you for real? Cruz and one of Cruz's biggest promoters brings G-d into it every freakin' time they open their mouths. Beck claims Christians are NOT good Christians if they vote Trump. How dare he and how dare Cruz not disavow that comment? BTW, where is Cruz's best buddy Glen Beck these days? Has Cruz no further need of him?

Let's just compare bankruptcies shall we? We were told that Mitt Romney was a business man extraordinaire while Mitt Romney's companies have gone bankrupt 22% of the time.

Compare that to Donald Trump whose companies have gone bankrupt 0.04% of the time. I know who I would want on my board of directors, how about you?

Aside from that, Trump has actually accomplished something for himself and made money for his investors...what has Ted Cruz done? Outside of sucking on the teat of government and greasing the skids for his wife at Goldman-Sachs what has he accomplished?

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Wait a minute!!! Are you trying to say Cruz somehow lured Medellin here, then he killed those girls, then Cruz gets famous...

That's so ridiculous I should have figured you would try that, you probably think Cruz is the Zodiac Killer too...I guess he has a time machine and goes around just fuckin' shit up...

chuckle

The "Gift Baskets" they're referring too were not "Gift Baskets" they were care packages for underage children that were incarcerated without their parents at an ICE Facility in West Texas. The Care Packages were mostly small cheap toys for the children and they were donated by Churches. Cruz didn't go there to give out the care packages, he went there to inspect the ICE Facility, but he gave out the small toys to the little kids too.

He later was all over TV in Texas railing about the Crisis on the border, created by Soros and Obama, and how it was imperative that we seal our borders before it got worse.
 Quoting: Saddletramp



Haha lying shill tard. Over 90% of the gift baskets went to adults. The whole thing was a scam. They just used the term minors to get the $$$$$$. Stop lying

This link covers it.

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]


...


Cruz does not support Amnesty, and in fact he was the Senator that introduced the Poison Pill Amendment that shot down the Gang of Eight's Amnesty bill

This is more blatant disinformation from the Trump camp...

[link to www.newsmax.com]
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Nice word game you are trying to play there. Rafael did support amnesty. Now he doesn't because he knows it is unpopular and is running for president. sheesh same weak denial as always from you.

Rafael's own words contradicting his stance on amnesty. His poison pill was a lie made up to try and save his ass.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

I betcha wish you still had the power to ban people daring to post anything unsavory regarding daddy cruz.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


I never banned people for their political opinion, and I still don't. I ban for personal attacks, I ban for spamming repetitive shit...same as always. I'll leave up your repetitive shit because you make my point.

Cruz NEVER accepted the Gang of Eight or Obama Amnesty bills, he was the Senator that KILLED the Gang of Eight Amnesty. Now you've taken some of his speeches about a path to citizenship and twisted that like he's been in favor of the Amnesty bills put forward to date, but nothing could be further from the truth...

[link to www.newsmax.com]

[link to www.tedcruz.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Saddletramp



You just can't stop lying. haha. You are the one that keeps posting and spamming "repetitive shit".

Cruz did support amnesty, stop shilling dude.

Lets list his accomplishments.

1.Joined forces with Mitch McConnell in October 2013
[link to www.cnn.com]

2.Would not campaign for conservative challengers in 2013/2014
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

3.Gave $200,000 from his Leadership PAC to the NRSC

4.Advocated for 500,000 additional H1-B immigrant visas

5.Ran to the Border with Glenn Beck for Illegal Aliens, Soccer Balls and Teddy Bears
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

6.Supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform (along with Senator Rubio)
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

7.Voted to support the Iran Deal – To Include Corker/Cardin Amendment (only Senator Tom Cotton voted against)
[link to www.congress.gov (secure)]
[link to www.senate.gov]

8.Voted to support TPA – The gateway to Trans Pacific Trade Deal
[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]

9.Cruz failed to show up to vote for the Audit the Fed bill.

10.Cruz was for the Iran deal before he was against it

much much much more at this link with citation and proof

[link to theconservativetreehouse.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71690837


I know, when you get proved wrong, you just shift the argument to something else...classic shill tactic, I've already addressed all of these issues...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"





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