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Jesus Discovered in Dead Sea Scrolls that were found between 1946 and 1956.

 
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My investigation into The Dead Sea Scrolls has just premiered on Curiosity Stream, launched by John Hendricks, founder of the Discovery Channel. Curiosity Stream is the world’s first streaming service devoted exclusively to documentaries. The Dead Sea Scrolls report is part of five initial reports dealing with “Biblical Mysteries”. I believe my investigation sheds new light on The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are arguably the most famous archaeological artifacts ever found.


The find caused an immediate sensation because the scrolls are a sort of ancient library, stored in clay vessels, that include the oldest manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible ever uncovered. Scholars have dated the scrolls from approximately 200 BCE to 70 CE (the date of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans at the end of the Great Jewish Revolt (66-73 CE)). Meaning, some of the scrolls were written and/or copied during the lifetime of Jesus of Nazareth.

From the moment of their discovery, some scholars suggested that at least some of the scrolls may be the work of early Christians. After all, a certain “Teacher of Righteousness” is mentioned as a persecuted figure and there is also a “Wicked Priest” and other characters that seem to mirror early Christianity. Most scholars, however, have dismissed any connection between the community that hid their scroll library some 2,000 years ago in caves at Qumran and the earliest followers of Jesus. Now, I’ve made a discovery that may change all this. Put simply, I believe that one of the fragments called by scholars by the very unappealing name of “4Q541” explicitly refers to Jesus.

I was first drawn to this fragment by the authoritative translation of The Dead Sea Scrolls by Florentino Garcia Martinez (1996, Brill). In fragment 24, column 2, the scroll refers to someone called “The Dove”. The writer of the scroll asks that the dove’s followers “not mourn for him”. And he further says; “do not bring the nail near him”. Given that Jesus is often identified with a “dove” (e.g., Matthew 3:16, Luke 3:22), and the Gospels explicitly refer to the “nails” of the crucifixion (e.g., John 20:24) and also to the “mourning” of his followers after the crucifixion (e.g., Luke 24:17), it seemed reasonable to me that “4Q541” may be referring to Jesus. So I looked up Martinez’s more complete “Study Edition” of The Dead Sea Scrolls (1997, Brill), which also supplies the Aramaic original, to see what I could learn. I learned a lot.

I learned that Martinez must have been nervous about the original reference to “the nail” and changed his translation. In the new edition, Martinez translated the Aramaic “Tsatsa” i.e., “nail”, as “nighthawk”. More than this, in the same section, I discovered – untranslated! – the word “[T]alia” – “cross” or “crucifixion” in Aramaic! Granted, the letter “Taf” i.e., “T” was missing in Martinez’s version of the original, but it sure seemed coincidental that a possible reference to the crucifixion was in the same fragment that I now believed was referring to Jesus. What was this all about I asked myself? Why were words being retranslated or not translated at all? Were scholars worried about finding Jesus in any ancient texts other than the New Testament?

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The problem aith this is the uknowing
If there were inndeed followers of jesus they would have made plain
Their bleeif in him, therefore i would treat such documents with high dis respect, as any followers ofmjesus christ would never viel the facts of him
Nor their faith in him.
So
What is better is the iasiah scroll, which is the oldest known copy
Which includes the messianic prophecies .
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“Teacher of Righteousness”

you mean the Tzaddik ?

The thing I tried to teach GLPers about for years while they regurgitate ' obama is the antichrist " all day ?

lolsign you guys don't even do basic pardes
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The problem aith this is the uknowing
If there were inndeed followers of jesus they would have made plain
Their bleeif in him, therefore i would treat such documents with high dis respect, as any followers ofmjesus christ would never viel the facts of him
Nor their faith in him.
So
What is better is the iasiah scroll, which is the oldest known copy
Which includes the messianic prophecies .
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They are not the gospels
Be careful
For it is accursed to treat anything as such which is not
At best they are historical docs which shed no real light on a group
Which is as mysterious as it ever was

But jesus christ is life and known and in the four true gospels
So the other things are not the truth in any manner.
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They don't want people to know that Jesus was Essene because that would change EVERYTHING in organized modern day Christianity.

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Interesting thread...thanks for posting.
So what do you think about Jesus?
Lord? Liar? Lunatic?
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The Bible is the very worst source there is to try and learn about Jesus through. Thomas is the truest gospel of Jesus there is. Jesus was an Essene and Jesus was not at all what Peter and Paul taught. The entire church and movement of the Bible around the globe is contrary to Jesus and his clear example. All words are trumped by that example. No nation that fights is a nation following Jesus. No religion that fights is following Jesus. No set of laws that condone killing for any reason is a set of laws from people following Jesus. Jesus example is contrary to the OT, NT, Jews, Romans and all nations today. Not one stone of the fallen churches will remain upon another. For they have become like the Jews and either love the tree and hate the fruit or love the fruit and hate the tree. They do not follow Jesus, they follower Peter and Paul. Follow them straight into the pit. Blind men following blind men is all the church has ever been.
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My belief is that mankind took the works of Jesus and manipulated it into a money making and power controlling scheme through the church. Jesus said the temple comes from within (not his exact words) and you do not need the church to have a relationship with God. My relationship with God is my private matter. I do not need to be saved. That is the churches interpretation to scare people into following a congregation. The bible is just the sumerian tablets re-written in a way to benefit the clergy and the Vatican.

And please do not waste your time throwing bible verses at me to prove your point. I spoke to Jesus and he has already instructed me to disregard the teachings mankind has manipulated. Jesus says the truth is known, because the truth is in my heart.
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I bet this creates quite a conundrum for today's Christians. On one hand, this is actual historical proof of Jesus' existence but on the other hand, changes everything about their belief system.
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My belief is that mankind took the works of Jesus and manipulated it into a money making and power controlling scheme through the church. Jesus said the temple comes from within (not his exact words) and you do not need the church to have a relationship with God. My relationship with God is my private matter. I do not need to be saved. That is the churches interpretation to scare people into following a congregation. The bible is just the sumerian tablets re-written in a way to benefit the clergy and the Vatican.

And please do not waste your time throwing bible verses at me to prove your point. I spoke to Jesus and he has already instructed me to disregard the teachings mankind has manipulated. Jesus says the truth is known, because the truth is in my heart.
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I love you!

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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My belief is that mankind took the works of Jesus and manipulated it into a money making and power controlling scheme through the church. Jesus said the temple comes from within (not his exact words) and you do not need the church to have a relationship with God. My relationship with God is my private matter. I do not need to be saved. That is the churches interpretation to scare people into following a congregation. The bible is just the sumerian tablets re-written in a way to benefit the clergy and the Vatican.

And please do not waste your time throwing bible verses at me to prove your point. I spoke to Jesus and he has already instructed me to disregard the teachings mankind has manipulated. Jesus says the truth is known, because the truth is in my heart.
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I love you!

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Well I love you right back hf
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They don't want people to know that Jesus was Essene because that would change EVERYTHING in organized modern day Christianity.

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Yup. You have to stop and wonder why the Dead Sea Scroll translations have never been published in the 69 years since they were found.

Many reports indicate because the Scrolls do not agree with the Bible, and Christians simply cannot go against the Bible because then everything Christians have been taught is wrong.
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Do some research (and by research I don't mean watch the DaVinci Code) and you'll find that the gospels and epistles (letters written by apostles) that are included in the bible were written within the lifetime of those who were eyewitnesses or directly knew the eyewitnesses within the first century of the church (except for Hebrews...that author is not identified...I can't explain that one). The gospel of Thomas is some gnostic gnonsense that was written in the century after the events.

You can start your research here if you want:
[link to y-jesus.com]

Or...just keep on believing whatever it is you want to believe and let God sort that out with you.
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My belief is that mankind took the works of Jesus and manipulated it into a money making and power controlling scheme through the church. Jesus said the temple comes from within (not his exact words) and you do not need the church to have a relationship with God. My relationship with God is my private matter. I do not need to be saved. That is the churches interpretation to scare people into following a congregation. The bible is just the sumerian tablets re-written in a way to benefit the clergy and the Vatican.

And please do not waste your time throwing bible verses at me to prove your point. I spoke to Jesus and he has already instructed me to disregard the teachings mankind has manipulated. Jesus says the truth is known, because the truth is in my heart.
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Nicely said for that mostly has been my experience too. hf
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Do some research (and by research I don't mean watch the DaVinci Code) and you'll find that the gospels and epistles (letters written by apostles) that are included in the bible were written within the lifetime of those who were eyewitnesses or directly knew the eyewitnesses within the first century of the church (except for Hebrews...that author is not identified...I can't explain that one). The gospel of Thomas is some gnostic gnonsense that was written in the century after the events.

You can start your research here if you want:
[link to y-jesus.com]

Or...just keep on believing whatever it is you want to believe and let God sort that out with you.
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What about the old testament? These books for the most part are Sumerian tablets re-written.

I do not believe any organized religion.
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Jesus the Nazarene. Nazarene is a sub group of essene and vegetarian. Paul was the liar.
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Do some research (and by research I don't mean watch the DaVinci Code) and you'll find that the gospels and epistles (letters written by apostles) that are included in the bible were written within the lifetime of those who were eyewitnesses or directly knew the eyewitnesses within the first century of the church (except for Hebrews...that author is not identified...I can't explain that one). The gospel of Thomas is some gnostic gnonsense that was written in the century after the events.

You can start your research here if you want:
[link to y-jesus.com]

Or...just keep on believing whatever it is you want to believe and let God sort that out with you.
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What about the old testament? These books for the most part are Sumerian tablets re-written.

I do not believe any organized religion.
 Quoting: Pyax


How far did you get with the link? Clicked and read first page or less?
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Jesus the Nazarene. Nazarene is a sub group of essene and vegetarian. Paul was the liar.
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Tell me...what did all of Paul's lying get him? A palace? A harem? Unbelievable wealth like some prosperity gospel liar?
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Jesus the Nazarene. Nazarene is a sub group of essene and vegetarian. Paul was the liar.
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jaynod

Not long ago, I began getting the 'message' to cut meat out of my diet. I didn't listen right away and various medical issues started affecting my life. Finally I knew I had to change my diet. The difference in how I felt was amazing! While contemplating new healthy recipes, a small little voice said, "Essene diet". Though I had read a little about them, I had no idea they had a special diet. When I looked it up I was floored - all the other things that Spirit has shown me also lined up with their beliefs.hf
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Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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Do some research (and by research I don't mean watch the DaVinci Code) and you'll find that the gospels and epistles (letters written by apostles) that are included in the bible were written within the lifetime of those who were eyewitnesses or directly knew the eyewitnesses within the first century of the church (except for Hebrews...that author is not identified...I can't explain that one). The gospel of Thomas is some gnostic gnonsense that was written in the century after the events.

You can start your research here if you want:
[link to y-jesus.com]

Or...just keep on believing whatever it is you want to believe and let God sort that out with you.
 Quoting: [email protected]


What about the old testament? These books for the most part are Sumerian tablets re-written.

I do not believe any organized religion.
 Quoting: Pyax


How far did you get with the link? Clicked and read first page or less?
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I read the whole page, I only saw one page...was there more? Although I didnt watch the video at the bottom of page.
Just cuz I posted the link it doesnt mean I agree with everything. I was sharing it for others that might be interested in it. I believe that Jesus was written about in the dead sea scrolls though.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1945, yet it took 50 years before the Vatican released them to the general public!! Lots of time to screw around with them, yes, no??? The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception is a book that details the explosive contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls and how the Church conspired to suppress them.
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The bible is to be taken literally. There ancient secrets hidden within the bible that date back way before Christ. A lot of the biblical texts were copied from other ancient texts.
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The bible is not to be taken literally. There are ancient secrets hidden within the bible that date back way before Christ. A lot of the biblical texts were copied from other ancient texts.
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fixed it, sorry
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The Bible is the very worst source there is to try and learn about Jesus through. Thomas is the truest gospel of Jesus there is. Jesus was an Essene and Jesus was not at all what Peter and Paul taught. The entire church and movement of the Bible around the globe is contrary to Jesus and his clear example. All words are trumped by that example. No nation that fights is a nation following Jesus. No religion that fights is following Jesus. No set of laws that condone killing for any reason is a set of laws from people following Jesus. Jesus example is contrary to the OT, NT, Jews, Romans and all nations today. Not one stone of the fallen churches will remain upon another. For they have become like the Jews and either love the tree and hate the fruit or love the fruit and hate the tree. They do not follow Jesus, they follower Peter and Paul. Follow them straight into the pit. Blind men following blind men is all the church has ever been.
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What is your take on Zarathustra?
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Jesus the Nazarene. Nazarene is a sub group of essene and vegetarian. Paul was the liar.
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:jaynod:

Not long ago, I began getting the 'message' to cut meat out of my diet. I didn't listen right away and various medical issues started affecting my life. Finally I knew I had to change my diet. The difference in how I felt was amazing! While contemplating new healthy recipes, a small little voice said, "Essene diet". Though I had read a little about them, I had no idea they had a special diet. When I looked it up I was floored - all the other things that Spirit has shown me also lined up with their beliefs.hf
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Whoa...cool story, I will have to check that out. I bet your chickens were glad you changed your diet.
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Do some research (and by research I don't mean watch the DaVinci Code) and you'll find that the gospels and epistles (letters written by apostles) that are included in the bible were written within the lifetime of those who were eyewitnesses or directly knew the eyewitnesses within the first century of the church (except for Hebrews...that author is not identified...I can't explain that one). The gospel of Thomas is some gnostic gnonsense that was written in the century after the events.

You can start your research here if you want:
[link to y-jesus.com]

Or...just keep on believing whatever it is you want to believe and let God sort that out with you.
 Quoting: [email protected]


What about the old testament? These books for the most part are Sumerian tablets re-written.

I do not believe any organized religion.
 Quoting: Pyax


How far did you get with the link? Clicked and read first page or less?
 Quoting: [email protected]


I read the whole page, I only saw one page...was there more? Although I didnt watch the video at the bottom of page.
Just cuz I posted the link it doesnt mean I agree with everything. I was sharing it for others that might be interested in it. I believe that Jesus was written about in the dead sea scrolls though.
 Quoting: Pyax


Click next at the bottom of the page. I'm not sure why they break up the pages that way (for load speed I supposed) but I would prefer to just see the whole thing all at once.

Sounds like you are hungry for truth, and you are actively and critically thinking. That is good...don't stop. I want you to know the truth, because the truth will set you free.
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The bible is to be taken literally. There ancient secrets hidden within the bible that date back way before Christ. A lot of the biblical texts were copied from other ancient texts.
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Go read right from the Sumerian Text and take them Literally.

Because the bible 'literally' took excerpts out of them and copied parts of the same stories word for word.



The Nag Hammadi Library was also found in 1945.

It tells us about the gnostics who saw the old gods as the Archons and how their leader became the Demiurge, and how he is the son of Sophia who is the same as Asherah, the Queen of Heaven.
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That right, we keep saying that Christianity adopted Jesus teaching with Holy Qumran which is an essene not a religion via the Ancient Coptic.

The Romans got hold of the original Holy Qumran by force before Christianity brought the Romans down in 476AD then Romans Catholic and the Vatican was formed with the help of Zionist. Thanks to Saul of Tarsus (Romans citizen zionist spy who tried to discredited Christianity) had a vision to the road of Damascus.

70CE is the actual last dating of Jesus and Christianity was found in 70AD. Holy Qumran is far older than Hebrews.

Romans Catholic and it breakaway schism are all religion. Christianity and Buddhism are not religion, they are an essene - fact.
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The text in question is in the possession of the Israelis.

The words that were purposely mis-translated were for "nail" and "crucifixion", they were translated as "night-hawk" and something else.

Also the word for "dove" was mis-translated as "agitator."

Seems pretty clear what is going on.
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