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This is very interesting to say the least. There is no real explanation within the laws of Physics to explain this one. Really interesting that Job said this area of the Planet had no stars and was where the throne of God was set in the Heavens.

Interesting how Job also knew the world was round, several thousand years before anyone listened "He created the shpere of the earth and suspended it in nothingness"-Incredible. Yet they were arguing into the 14 and 1500's that the earth was flat.

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Arctic Clouds Found to Be Mainly Liquid Water
Tuesday, November 28, 2006

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July 24: Ice melts in Slidre Fiord in the Canadian territory of Nunavut near the Eureka Weather Station.
EUREKA, Nunavut Territory — Scientists are peering into the clouds near the top of the world, trying to solve a mystery and learn something new about global warming.

The mystery is the droplets of water in the clouds. With the North Pole just 685 miles away, they should be frozen, yet more of them are liquid than anyone expected.

So the scientists working out of a converted blue cargo container are trying to determine whether the clouds are one of the causes — or effects — of Earth's warming atmosphere.

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"Much to our surprise, we found that Arctic clouds have got lots of super-cooled liquid water in them. Liquid water has even been detected in clouds at temperatures as low as minus 30 degrees Celsius (minus 22 F)," said Taneil Uttal, chief of the Clouds and Arctic Research Group at the Earth Systems Research Laboratory of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

"If a cloud is composed of liquid water droplets in the Arctic, instead of ice crystals, then that changes how they will interact with the earth's surface and the atmosphere to reflect, absorb and transmit radiation," said Uttal.

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With NASA reporting that 2005 was the warmest year on record worldwide, the debate over global warming marches on, but not here.

The American and Canadian scientists at the Eureka Weather Station in the northern Canadian territory of Nunavut, like the Inuit who are seeing their native habitat thaw, are beyond questioning the existence of climate change.

"If we compare the debate over the theory of evolution with the debate over the theory of global warming — global warming's a whole lot more certain at the moment," said Jim Drummond, a University of Toronto physics professor and chief investigator for the Canadian Network for the Detection of Atmospheric Change.

"By and large," he said, "we are not now arguing about whether global warming is going to happen; the argument has turned to: How big is it going to be?"

Uttal, Drummond and other American and Canadian scientists recently visited Eureka, an outpost established jointly by Canada and the United States in 1947 and now equipped with instruments that sound like sci-fi inventions — the ozone spectrophotometer, for instance, or the tropospheric lidar. (A lidar, an amalgamation of "light" and "radar," uses laser light to detect atmospheric particles.)

The new technology helps to better understand the impact of clouds on Earth's surface temperature. The clouds being studied here range from six miles high to almost touching the ground.

"For a couple of decades we have known that super-cooled liquid water droplets could exist in clouds," Uttal said. "But the prevalence of it in Arctic clouds was not really known until these specialized sensors starting operating in the Arctic about eight years ago."

"The really exciting thing," she said, will be the ability to track an aerosol layer or an Asian dust cloud from their source and measure their effect on a cloud.

Uttal noted that water clouds are more likely to warm the Arctic atmosphere than ice clouds, since the liquid clouds retain more heat radiated by the Earth's surface.

"This means that the ice-to-water ratios in clouds may be very important in controlling the Arctic surface temperatures and how it melts," she said.

In Nunavut, the melting is keenly felt.

"In the old days, we used to have 10 months of winter; now it's six," said Simon Awa, an Inuit leader and deputy minister for the environment of Nunavut who was on the trip to Eureka. "Every year we're getting winter later and later."

For these 155,000 people of Canada, Greenland, Russia and the United States, it means less time to hunt caribou, walrus and polar bear.

Studies show that average winter temperatures have increased as much as 7 degrees in the Arctic over the last 50 years.

The permafrost — ground that is continually frozen for at least two years — is thawing, imperiling polar bears and forcing other animals to migrate farther north.

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-30(C) liguid water....strange. This could cause super-cooled cells(falling) like in the movie, yes?
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-30(C) liguid water....strange. This could cause super-cooled cells(falling) like in the movie, yes?
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Hmmm. I hadn't thought of it that way. I wonder if that may be a potential theory1dunno1
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Ya know, I think those clouds are in BC right now, cause it's -29C about -35C with wind chill and snowing hard. I have never, and no one I have talked to, has ever seen weather like this in Nov.
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Ya know, I think those clouds are in BC right now, cause it's -29C about -35C with wind chill and snowing hard. I have never, and no one I have talked to, has ever seen weather like this in Nov.
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My Folks live right at the Canadian Border in Washington State and they are literally buried after this storm.. 6' snow drifts and so on.

Pretty wild to say the least. Especially if you consider that it is in the mid 60s here in Philly
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Super cooled
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Ya know, I think those clouds are in BC right now, cause it's -29C about -35C with wind chill and snowing hard. I have never, and no one I have talked to, has ever seen weather like this in Nov.

My Folks live right at the Canadian Border in Washington State and they are literally buried after this storm.. 6' snow drifts and so on.

Pretty wild to say the least. Especially if you consider that it is in the mid 60s here in Philly
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And there is more to come.
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Perhaps the ice canopy(super cooled liquid water) is reforming as in the days of old. The firmament upon high. It holds heat in...reflects heat back to surface...
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Hmmm....these conditions are theoretically impossible, yet they exist. Perhaps similar conditions exist in the clouds of Mars, Jupiter, and the other planets?
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The more to come:

Weather alert: Ice storm on the way
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Perhaps the ice canopy(super cooled liquid water) is reforming as in the days of old. The firmament upon high. It holds heat in...reflects heat back to surface...
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Perhaps the ice canopy(super cooled liquid water) is reforming as in the days of old. The firmament upon high. It holds heat in...reflects heat back to surface...


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Thank you for those links!
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Perhaps the ice canopy(super cooled liquid water) is reforming as in the days of old. The firmament upon high. It holds heat in...reflects heat back to surface...


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Thank you for those links!
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Good links.

This is some crazy stuff going on. They are literally getting pounded in NW WA and BC. Nobody remembers it ever being this bad....





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