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Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?

 
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My question is that in this thread here ( Thread: Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

) says that “The Aramaic word Eli means My God”. Are you sure that these words never existed in (Greek I know they didn’t) but in Hebrew or Aramaic,
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The Hebrews "added" it later to their language. At the time, it did not exist.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


So to get this straight. There was not a word such “Eli” in Aramaic
 Quoting: PanosGR


I researched, and the Dr. I have sourced, said no, it did not exist for their time and place.
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Remember, there were those in the crowd that thought he said, "Elias". John was there, and did not pay attention. he thought he said he was thirsty.

He did not say what has been written all these years.

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Re: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
Answer: Prehistoric Mayan or Naga. There the words were, as large as life:

"Heli, heli, lamat sabac ta ni"

means

"I am fainting, I am fainting,
darkness is overcoming me."


I will stop here and let this soak in. I did find where the missing years of Jesus story from Luke 2:41 to Luke 3:23. From age 12-30 are missing from the Bible. Only about 55 days of his life are accounted for in the Bible. The is a prehistoric town called Adjudia in Northern India....
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So you think this all happened in India?

I feel like there was an impostor
years later after Jesus ascended to heaven.
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Jesus was real, and he traveled to India at an early age. The locals know the legends. I think it was there he learned this language. I found that Jesus attended a Nacaal Temple in Adjudia. (Pre Brahman India) Graduates were called "Son of God". The legend is suppose to still be there. I have a friend in India searching soon. I will post more of this fascinating story.
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I get it now, it was the world tour of Jesus Christ superstar and that was the climax of the act and now all the critical reviews from India and Mexico have their version of what happened in that scene.
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My question is that in this thread here ( Thread: Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

) says that “The Aramaic word Eli means My God”. Are you sure that these words never existed in (Greek I know they didn’t) but in Hebrew or Aramaic,
 Quoting: PanosGR


The Hebrews "added" it later to their language. At the time, it did not exist.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


So to get this straight. There was not a word such “Eli” in Aramaic
 Quoting: PanosGR


I researched, and the Dr. I have sourced, said no, it did not exist for their time and place.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


Interesting fact. Thanks.
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The Hebrews "added" it later to their language. At the time, it did not exist.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


So to get this straight. There was not a word such “Eli” in Aramaic
 Quoting: PanosGR


I researched, and the Dr. I have sourced, said no, it did not exist for their time and place.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


Interesting fact. Thanks.
 Quoting: PanosGR


Yes, no kidding. My friend in India will shed light hopefully of the local legends. Add this to your favorites. It may be several days, or weeks to get the answers, but heck, we already have waited thousands of years... whats a few more days? LOL

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He called his brother's name.

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He fulfilled the law of the false god, to show it could be done. But the loving god is not the false god. A god of love does not condemn nor torture nor ask for a sacrifice in the first place.

It was upon his death I believe that the Christ realized he himself had been lied to by his 'father' all along, and who his true father was.

either that, or there's nothing worth believing in for me.

because the god of the ot is a real dick.
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Re: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
Answer: Prehistoric Mayan or Naga. There the words were, as large as life:

"Heli, heli, lamat sabac ta ni"

means

"I am fainting, I am fainting,
darkness is overcoming me."


I will stop here and let this soak in. I did find where the missing years of Jesus story from Luke 2:41 to Luke 3:23. From age 12-30 are missing from the Bible. Only about 55 days of his life are accounted for in the Bible. The is a prehistoric town called Adjudia in Northern India....
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs


According to this site [link to pakalahau.wordpress.com (secure)]

the words mean "Now I immerse myself in the pre-dawn of your presence" or "‘And now, I immerse myself and spill (my blood or my fear?) from the vessel that is in front ( of my Father?)."
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Partial feedback, is that link you provided was for the "Spanish-Maya dictionary of Ticul". My source used the "Ancient Naga of India". Seems the grapevine moves the goal posts... I will keep asking my source.

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My question is that in this thread here ( Thread: Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

) says that “The Aramaic word Eli means My God”. Are you sure that these words never existed in (Greek I know they didn’t) but in Hebrew or Aramaic,
 Quoting: PanosGR


The Hebrews "added" it later to their language. At the time, it did not exist. Yes, it did not exist in their time for that area.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs



That's horse crap because Elisha's name means my El(Eli) is salvation(sha) and he existed way before Jesus
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My question is that in this thread here ( Thread: Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

) says that “The Aramaic word Eli means My God”. Are you sure that these words never existed in (Greek I know they didn’t) but in Hebrew or Aramaic,
 Quoting: PanosGR


The Hebrews "added" it later to their language. At the time, it did not exist. Yes, it did not exist in their time for that area.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs



That's horse crap because Elisha's name means my El(Eli) is salvation(sha) and he existed way before Jesus
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No, it is not "horse crap", it is discussion. I want to thank you for joining. Now with your comment, you are giving standing to the crowd in what they thought they heard. Fascinating. Thank you for adding. Much to study now.

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Re: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
old aramaic has a beautiful psychomime,
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*SHABACHTANI*???


lol
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Eh - so sad when you try but don't know enough to succeed

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Eh - so sad when you try but don't know enough to succeed

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Your timeline is missing. ...nor any other language known in the area at the time. I want the real answer.
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" doctorate degreed individual"

Are some of the most dense minds there are when it comes to spiritual truth.
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Yup!
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Another reference joins my quest list: "El, El how hast Thou glorified me,"*

THE CRUCIFIXION.
A.M. Thursday 14th of Nisan, 4027
B.C. Thursday March 17, A.D. 29

Jesus the Nazarite crucified at Jerusalem at the same time that the cross of the earth's equator and the solar ecliptic (the last occurrence of the Vernal Equinox in the sign of Aires, the dying Lamb of Gad, was erected at the intersection of the celestial mansions of Aries and the Fishes. Jesus, the Microcosm, who not being cosmic yet came to men as cosmic, dies in triumph, exclaiming "El, El how hast Thou glorified me,"* while the Microcosmic man, Adam Kadmon, is stretched upon the celestial cross in the heavens.

* See "The Egyptian-Hebrew Mystery" Skinner

Ref: pg. 268 New light from the great pyramid: the astronomico-geographical system of the ancients recovered and applied to the elucidation of history, ceremony, symbolism, and religion, with an exposition of the evolution from the prehistoric, objective, scientific religion of Adam Kadmon, the macrocosm, of the historic, subjective, spiritual religion of Christ Jesus, the microcosm. - Parson 1893

Read more at the Link: (mods, why is a historical book at archive dot org spam? /details/cu31924028929788

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How about you explain it and not play games?
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How about you explain it and not play games?
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Your missing the point of the thread my friend. Go back and start over. To "explain" the mysteries, is for one's own self to determine. No man can convince another of "explanations". You must elucidate this on your own.
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Yet another Mandela effect. In my memory it has always been eloi, not eli.

FWIW I have always found this to be the single most moving line of scripture ever written. I think we have all asked this question before.
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Yet another Mandela effect. In my memory it has always been eloi, not eli.

FWIW I have always found this to be the single most moving line of scripture ever written. I think we have all asked this question before.
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YES! this has bugged me as well. I am so glad you posted that.

mandela - yikes as well my friend!

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Felt the following song is appropriate and possibly conducive to this right Herr discussion:

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Re: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
My question is that in this thread here ( Thread: Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

) says that “The Aramaic word Eli means My God”. Are you sure that these words never existed in (Greek I know they didn’t) but in Hebrew or Aramaic,
 Quoting: PanosGR


The Hebrews "added" it later to their language. At the time, it did not exist. Yes, it did not exist in their time for that area.
 Quoting: Bridge of Sighs



That's horse crap because Elisha's name means my El(Eli) is salvation(sha) and he existed way before Jesus
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Not to mention Elijah, whose name means "my God is Yahweh". Elisha was the disciple of Elijah, and Elijah was said to have lived in the 9th century BC.
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Tongues and interpretations, perhaps.


This is from the book of Daniel

And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.

This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

Peres; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

How do we know what was written and what the interpretation of the writing was? Because it was explained in the same chapter.

You might find two different eyewitnesses heard what Jesus said and interpreted what he said. But we understand that he said something and what he said because it is recorded in two different gospel accounts.


Then there is this from Acts:

…Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. And when this sound rang out, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking his own language. In wonder and amazement, they asked, “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans?…
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why El?

why?
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E·lo·him
eˈlōhim,ˌelōˈhēm,ˌelō​ˈhim/
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a name for God used frequently in the Hebrew Bible.
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My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.

3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
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Re: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
let us play a simple game of connecting dots


the naga from india on the asian continent venerate the god kali which has a protruding tongue

the olmec/aztec/maya has a sun stone with a face of the god the venetrated with a protruded tongue

okay
eureka!
1+1=?


yes!!!!

columbus didn't call them indians by accident, they really were indian hahahahahahahabwhahahah!!!



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Proof of Jesus being just another dude
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let us connect more dots



the origin of the cross


Christian cross - cedar wood


check

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totem pole - cedar wood

check


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No such words existed? Eh no,

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