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What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?

 
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What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?
If those attacks we see since years in the West, were all false flags or not - we don't know -, in many cases, the perpetrators/ terrorists or the people behind them, said, that this was the revenge for the 'War here' or the 'War there', wars which were often justified with questionalbe reasons from the West (Afgahnistan for example). What do you think, would normal people from the West do, if the middle eastern nations would be the USA, France or Great Britain in this game?

Example: Iraqi intelligence creates an attack on their ground and says, that an us-american terrorist group were the perpetrators... which is why, the iraqi army occupies the USA. They bomb the whole place, kill thousands of civilians and this over a timespan of 12 years. What do you think, would be your reaction towards the Iraq and it's people? How would you react, if an us-american group, would execute an attack as a revenge for the bombings in Iraq? Would you "like" it? Would you think, that it's justified?

When you would answer these questions with a determined "No", then how would you react? What would you think about the Middle East?

Btw. This thread is NOT about understanding or even sympathy for terrorist, no matter which kind, I just want your point of view, if in real life the whole situation would be reversed.
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Re: What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?
Pick up a history book learn how this is an ongoing war on civilization this past 700 years. You will be amazed to learn the heathens have not learned, grown, become civilized all this time. Only problem I can see is liberals are far too stupid to know a threat when it slaps them in the freaken face.

27 jihadist training camps in the USA. One training camp of ISIS just across that southern border Obama wants kept wide open.

Wake the hell up.. its a religious movement has been all this time will be until civilized world extinguishes the threat.
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Re: What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?
Did the people they kill set policy, were they part of the military? How about all the people that opposed the wars did they kill them to? How about the fact that 70% of paris prison population is arab?
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Re: What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?
Muslims have been waging offensive jihad for hundreds of years before the formation of the West (e.g. the battle of Constantinople)

What would happen if Muslims truly followed a peaceful religion?

They wouldn't be getting bombed in the first place.

Muhammad vs Jesus

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)


"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)


Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)


Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)


Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)


Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

Neither owned nor traded slaves.

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

Beheaded no one.

Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)


"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)


Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)


Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

Was celibate.

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Did not have sex with children.

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Never harmed a woman.

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)

"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)


Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )

Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.


Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)

Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.


Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)

Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.


Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)

"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)


Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)

Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)

"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)


Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)

Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)


Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)


What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)


Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)

Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)


Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.


Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

Was crucified himself.

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
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Re: What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?
Did the people they kill set policy, were they part of the military?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70684070


I think it's all about fear and you don't set fear in the heart of the people, when you kill a politician. Moreover attacking civilians, is more easier for them - "soft targets".

But like I said, let's reverse the situation: How would you think about the iraqi people, if they were you?
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Re: What would haven happened in the Middle East, if the Middle East would have bombed the West for decades?
If those attacks we see since years in the West, were all false flags or not - we don't know -, in many cases, the perpetrators/ terrorists or the people behind them, said, that this was the revenge for the 'War here' or the 'War there', wars which were often justified with questionalbe reasons from the West (Afgahnistan for example). What do you think, would normal people from the West do, if the middle eastern nations would be the USA, France or Great Britain in this game?

Example: Iraqi intelligence creates an attack on their ground and says, that an us-american terrorist group were the perpetrators... which is why, the iraqi army occupies the USA. They bomb the whole place, kill thousands of civilians and this over a timespan of 12 years. What do you think, would be your reaction towards the Iraq and it's people? How would you react, if an us-american group, would execute an attack as a revenge for the bombings in Iraq? Would you "like" it? Would you think, that it's justified?

When you would answer these questions with a determined "No", then how would you react? What would you think about the Middle East?

Btw. This thread is NOT about understanding or even sympathy for terrorist, no matter which kind, I just want your point of view, if in real life the whole situation would be reversed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70676004


The thing is though a lot of people are against the wars, the attacks are an immigration problem, they shouldn't be let in the country. Unfortunately the anger will probably be used to justify more pointless wars in the middle east instead of simply shutting the borders and pulling the troops out of foreign countries.





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