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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63871965 United States 11/09/2015 07:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I call bullshit on this person being a physicist. No actual scientist would jump to conclusions or fail to reach out to an expert in the field being discussed. There is no way this person understands geology or has even discussed levels of natural elements or reasons they could increase at ground level. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63871965 There are too many variables in or ecosystem to say that because we find something at ground level it must come from what we see when we look up. Ridiculous If this person is scientist, he/she wasn't there the day the taught the scientific method. I would like to see every part of the "scientific method" disseminated according to my research. You do not refute anything, yet attack my character about someone you know nothing about. "Shill".... There are not heavy metal particulates in the air in high concentrations naturally. PLEASE find me any study that can prove strontium and cadmium are in the air at any natural levels, and then we will talk about WHO disregards the "scientific process". Lol, bickles these days. You dont even argue against anything, you just try and attack people personally with no regard to content matter whatsoever. Cant wait till hear that shill rebuttle. Maybe youre not the physicist, so how would you know any inkling of what happens in the scientific community? This is a legitamate deal in universities and independant air quality control companies. So keep shillin me out, I dont care:) people who deserve the knowledge will see it, others will and not do anything with it, so what does it matter to me? Whats the real question is why do you care so much about what people see in the sky in the first place? Thats like the old Air Force shills trying to be like, uh yeah we have seen ufos before but theyre not alien. LOL!! The scientific method is not about refuting someone else's hypothesis. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. We, as observers, do not have to refute anything. In this case, you have to show evidence for the claims that, 1. they are "chemtrails" and not contrails 2. material from these "chemtrais" are falling from the sky 3. the material falling from the sky is affecting groundwater, soil, etc. 4. the "chemtrails" are somehow doing something to people on the ground Then there are several other questions that come up. 1. How much mass does it take to produce the white puffy things that you can "chemtrails" in the sky? Since they have certain optical properties you can start to assume parameters about them. The thickness has to be a few hundred meters. You can estimate width and length. I have done some simple calculations and if all the material is emitted from the plane, it exceeds the mass of the plane in about 100 km. This is less than the distance a plane flying at 30,000 feet flies horizon to horizon. 2. How about the dispersion rates of material left at that altitude? How does it spread? 3. What is the suspension time? How long does it take any chemicals to fall to the ground? 4. What is the target? You must know that something released directly overhead will not fall straight to the ground, especially. Where does it land? 5. What is being "sprayed"? How is it being "sprayed"? This are very important questions that no one seems to care about answering. All I have seen are doctored photos and cases of mistaken identity. Radio antennas or sampling nozzles being called "sprayers". 6. Who manufactures the stuff? Who manufactures the equipment needed? How does it get transported? How does it get loaded? These questions deal with the number of people who would have to be involved in the process. 7. Who pays for all this? That is a lot of money. Where does it come from? If you are a physicist, is that you have to realize that no on accepts unverifiable data. We do not deal in pseudoscience. Claims have to be backed up by details about any techniques used and, if sampling, all safeguards used to prevent contamination. And others, even nonbelievers, have to be able to repeat your research and reach the same conclusion. Read any paper in any scientific journal, Nature, Science, Physical Review, Lancet, and hundreds of others journals. There is a set format that researchers follow and editors require. None of them resort to “believe my research or I will call you a name” type of tactics. They realize they have to convince others that they are correct. You also need to provide a better explanation then the current explanation. If you are trying to invoke a paradigm shift, it takes extraordinary evidence for an extraordinary claim. In this case you now have to show how your hypothesis is better than the statements about contrails. Aircraft contrails have been seen for almost 100 years. Meteor contrails go back centuries, and some of those have been described as persistent and spreading. Spreading and persistent contrails have been seen for 70 years. The science of contrail formation is 60 years old, the Appleman chart (1953). Contrails have been acknowledged as a type of pollution. Contrails can change the weather, making it warmer at night and cooler in the day. Contrails are known to affect climate by changing the radiative forcing. The Air Force goes to great lengths to avoid contrail formation, planes become easy targets if they leave a contrail, see Appleman again. Commercial aircraft fly the shortest routes with engines that use the least fuel. These tend to mean contrails get formed. There have been hundreds of studies, explanations, mathematical models, ground tests, in situ measurements made. Why should that be abandoned because someone makes wild ass, unverified, and unverifiable claims? Science is based on reason and logic. By letting emotion get in the way it clouds your vision. Step back and ask yourself the hard questions. If you can refute all the hard questions, then you might have something. A good researcher welcomes criticism. Einstein was the biggest critic of quantum mechanics. He asked questions only Einstein could ask. Even though he never personally accepted it, he help found the quantum revolution and made it stronger through his criticism. The history of science is littered with too many people that have jumped the gun and made claims before they were verified. The story of Pons and Fleischman come to mine for one. Some are also too quick to desire a paradigm shift even though the claim is unsupported by evidence, Hoyle for example. Then others fail to embrace a paradigm shift, Wegener’s idea is one such example. Learn the terminology. Conjecture, hypothesis, and theory are not the same. A conjecture is a guess, a hypothesis is a testable statement, and a theory is a well substantiated idea verified by experiment and mathematics. A theory makes predictions that have been independently verified. Understand falsifiability. Any statement has to be worded so that some evidence can falsify the claim. The statement “There are plaid fish in Lake Michigan” is not falsifiable. You cannot sample every single location, hiding hole, inlet, or outlet simultaneously to falsify the claim. Lack of catching a plaid fish does not falsify the claim, there still could be plaid fish somewhere you haven’t looked. But the statement “No fish in Lake Michigan are plaid” is falsifiable. All it takes is one plaid fish and the statement has been rendered false. Nice post. But, you put more effort into it than they deserve. They won't "get it" anyway. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69321554 United States 11/09/2015 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hahahaha then you dont even truly know what it means Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70539575 to be a physicist.... What is the gravitational and coloumbic constants based on? Assumptions, lol! And plus, what am I assuming in the first place? I would love for you to put words in my mouth:) The gravitational constant is based on measurement. It can be found from the Cavendish experiment. Coulomb determined the strength of the electric force by measuring the force between charged objects using a torsion balance. Now Coulomb's constant comes from understanding the wave propagation of light. It is a derived constant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Some of the best comedy on the internet. God you should just look at some of your posts, you gotta be the dumbest person on glp, and you know that means alot!, don't feed the retarded shills |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey guys guess what I am a govt shill CHEMTARD CHEMTARD CHEMTARD BASIC SCIENCE BASIC SCIENCE PARANOID LOSER PARANOID LOSER MOM'S BASEMENT HOTPOCKET I AM TOO SCARED TO LOOK UP SO I TAKE ORDERS LIKE A LAPDOG AND HAVE A REALLY LOW IQ TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE I SUCK ON OBONGOS KNOB ON MY LUNCH BREAK |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63871965 United States 11/09/2015 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Some of the best comedy on the internet. God you should just look at some of your posts, you gotta be the dumbest person on glp, and you know that means alot!, don't feed the retarded shills I love how chemtards have convinced themselves that they aren't paranoid morons. It's adorable! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63871965 United States 11/09/2015 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey guys guess what I am a govt shill Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70067995 CHEMTARD CHEMTARD CHEMTARD BASIC SCIENCE BASIC SCIENCE PARANOID LOSER PARANOID LOSER MOM'S BASEMENT HOTPOCKET I AM TOO SCARED TO LOOK UP SO I TAKE ORDERS LIKE A LAPDOG AND HAVE A REALLY LOW IQ TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE I SUCK ON OBONGOS KNOB ON MY LUNCH BREAK You are stupid. Just letting you know. Carry on |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28533331 United States 11/09/2015 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63871965 United States 11/09/2015 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70064009 United States 11/09/2015 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! I imagine you're posting from multiple IP's so you can defend your Propaganda campaign. I'm tired of feeding you, but I just wanted to say One last time. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63871965 United States 11/09/2015 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! I imagine you're posting from multiple IP's so you can defend your Propaganda campaign. I'm tired of feeding you, but I just wanted to say One last time. I post from my phone and when at my desk, there. I have no problem admitting which posts are mine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17558558 United States 11/09/2015 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! I imagine you're posting from multiple IP's so you can defend your Propaganda campaign. I'm tired of feeding you, but I just wanted to say One last time. I post from my phone and when at my desk, there. I have no problem admitting which posts are mine. And this is my office PC. I can't help it if mobile device changes IP occasionally. I know paranoid chemtards assume that it means something. Which makes it funny! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17558558 United States 11/09/2015 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one And what are they prohibited from talking ABOUT!? You ASSUME it has anything to do with trails in the sky while providing zero evidence that it has anything to do with anything you'd be concerned about! I work for a large engineering firm and we are also sworn to secrecy. My wife is a RN who must keep information private and sign a policy. Does that mean we are hiding information about the trails in the sky also?! You people are paranoid and stupid. YOU go to hell with your false accusations! False witness is your ticket! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17558558 United States 11/09/2015 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm glad that chemtards will never know how stupid they are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63882412 Free entertainment forever. Just my magination... [link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org] Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one And get this, stupid... Even if they ARE sworn to secrecy about "weather modification", that doesn't mean the trails we see have ANYTHING to do with it and aren't just contrails! You ASSUME that one thing has anything to do with the other while failing to support such assumptions in ANY way! It's hilarious! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one And get this, stupid... Even if they ARE sworn to secrecy about "weather modification", that doesn't mean the trails we see have ANYTHING to do with it and aren't just contrails! You ASSUME that one thing has anything to do with the other while failing to support such assumptions in ANY way! It's hilarious! I CONCLUDED this based on all of the indicators of an intensifying and the undeniable spray op that NOAA employees are undoubtedly aware of. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one And what are they prohibited from talking ABOUT!? You ASSUME it has anything to do with trails in the sky while providing zero evidence that it has anything to do with anything you'd be concerned about! I work for a large engineering firm and we are also sworn to secrecy. My wife is a RN who must keep information private and sign a policy. Does that mean we are hiding information about the trails in the sky also?! You people are paranoid and stupid. YOU go to hell with your false accusations! False witness is your ticket! it happened overnight, they were not before. why are they trying to hide something that according to you doesn't exist? |
Bonfire
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Bonfire
User ID: 70107002 United States 11/09/2015 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently I need to break this into smaller posts, since I'm a new member. ------------------------- Okay, I don't know where you guys get your misinformation, but chemtrails are often cloud seeding experiments run by private companies (with the approval of the government, of course). "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Bonfire
User ID: 70107002 United States 11/09/2015 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It started back at the turn of the 20th when people in west Colorado and Utah were having trouble with rain and crops. Some intelligent and controversial scientists (including Kurt Vonnegut's brother Bernard) learned that certain materials (silver iodide, dry ice, lpg) have effects on cloud formation at varying temperatures and pressures in the atmosphere. These same scientists are in the group that invented wireless communication (police scanners, ham, am radio) as there mountainous environment in the west rockies demanded it. These fellows are the same ones that owned radio row in Manhattan, the future location of where the world trade center was later built...I'm not sure if there's a connection or not just yet. "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Bonfire
User ID: 70107002 United States 11/09/2015 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Further reading: North American Weather Consultants are the division in Utah that has multiple reports over the last 60+ years on their experiments in Utah and Colorado. [link to nawcinc.com] This information is all public and has even made it into Utah's law [link to www.rules.utah.gov] as well as there publicly viewable website on water resources [link to www.water.utah.gov] "Man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child’s education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51400300 United States 11/09/2015 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently I need to break this into smaller posts, since I'm a new member. ------------------------- Okay, I don't know where you guys get your misinformation, but chemtrails are often cloud seeding experiments run by private companies (with the approval of the government, of course). How many times do you fucking mouthbreathing dimwits need to be told this? Cloud seeding has absolute fuckall to do with your imaginary chemtrails. Christ, it's like chemtards go out of their way to prove that they are the stupidest motherfuckers on the internet. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vehicles emit exhaust Quoting: PokerStar Boats emit exhaust Airplanes emit exhaust When it's -10 degrees out and I see gray exhaust smoke coming out every other vehicle in front of me on the road, am I being chem trailed by these people? :chmrac: you post that picture of the VAPOR TRAIL on so many threads. it has nothing to do with the substances intentionally dropped from tanker jets, it is simply a vapor trail due to the low pressure created by the spoiler's deflection |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one I work for a large engineering firm and we are also sworn to secrecy. My wife is a RN who must keep information private and sign a policy. Does that mean we are hiding information about the trails in the sky also?! nice shill identity you fucking liar |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70067995 United States 11/09/2015 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63871965 Nope, not your imagination. That chemtard conspiracy site exists and chemtards write things on it. Amazing! so you acknowledge that NOAA and national weather service have sworn their employees to secrecy? e.g. it is ILLEGAL for them to talk? Tell me now, why would NOAA do that right when the aerosol operation is ramping up and getting some major publicity? you shills will go to hell, but unfortunately there isn't one I work for a large engineering firm and we are also sworn to secrecy. My wife is a RN who must keep information private and sign a policy. Does that mean we are hiding information about the trails in the sky also?! nice shill identity you fucking liar tomorrow you will be a doctor, the next day a scientist, the next, a Captain Asshat |