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(OP) User ID: 70485763 United States 11/06/2015 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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(OP) User ID: 70230074 United States 11/06/2015 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This story is a modern example of Satyagraha, polite insistence on the truth. << Digest version cross-posted from Thread: Man detonates bomb at Mississippi Walmart after threatening the store for refusing to sell Confederate flags (Page 2) >> ... Luckily, I also believe they've underestimated how aware people are, and how unlikely it is that a significant number would "band together to start a violent revolution." People are biding their time, waiting for the right course of action to become apparent. The right course of action is militant non-violent civil disobedience. If this guy knew about the Flag Satyagraha which occurred in India around 1923, he at least would have known there is an alternative. Satyagraha is a method of non-violent civil disobedience formalized by Mahatma Gandhi. Satyagraha means "polite but forceful insistence on the truth." One who practices satyagraha is called a satyagrahi. In 1923 large numbers of satyagrahi in India fought against the legitimacy of the British Raj. One method they used was called the Flag Satyagraha. The Raj had prohibited the hoisting of nationalist flags as well as restricting other civil rights. During the Indian independence movement the Flag Satyagraha campaign focused on a simple action. Satyagrahi would demonstrate their rights by hoisting the nationalist flag. ========== The flag satyagraha of Nagpur and Jabalpur occurred over several months in 1923. The arrest of nationalist protestors demanding the right to hoist the flag caused an outcry across India especially as Gandhi had recently been arrested. Nationalist leaders ...organised the revolt and thousands of people from different regions travelled to Nagpur...to participate in civil disobedience. In the end, the British negotiated an agreement with Patel and other Congress leaders permitting the protestors to conduct their march unhindered and obtaining the release of all those arrested. ---------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. ========== Satyagraha isn't for whimp's, as the Salt Satyagraha demonstrated. ========== The Salt March, also known as the Dandi March and the Salt Satyagraha, was a march initiated by Mohandas Gandhi to illegally produce salt from seawater. It began on 12 March 1930, and was a direct action campaign of tax resistance and nonviolent protest against the British salt monopoly in colonial India. ... Gandhi...lead the...March from his base...near the city of Ahmedabad. 78 people began the march with Gandhi, who intended to walk 240 miles (390 km) to the coastal village of Dandi. ... As Gandhi and the others continued on what would become a 24-day march to Dandi to produce salt without paying the tax, growing numbers of Indians joined them along the way. When Gandhi broke the salt laws at 6:30 am on 6 April 1930, it sparked large scale acts of civil disobedience against the British Raj salt laws by millions of Indians. The campaign had a significant effect on changing world and British attitudes towards Indian independence and caused large numbers of Indians to join the fight for the first time. ... The satyagraha against the salt tax continued for almost a year, ending with Gandhi's release from jail and negotiations with Viceroy Lord Irwin at the Second Round Table Conference. Over 80,000 Indians were jailed as a result of the Salt Satyagraha. ... The Salt March to Dandi, and the beating by British police of hundreds of nonviolent protesters in Dharasana, which received worldwide news coverage, demonstrated the effective use of civil disobedience as a technique for fighting social and political injustice. The satyagraha teachings of Gandhi...had a significant influence on American activists Martin Luther King, Jr., James Bevel, and others during the movement for civil rights for blacks and other minority groups in the 1960s. --------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. Emphasis added. ========== I'll bet a couple thousand confederate flag wavers going on a few days march to Walmart's corporate headquarters and then laying down in the streets, blocking traffic, might work, whereas blowing up Walmart stores never would. There's a general principle at play there. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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(OP) User ID: 70230291 United States 11/06/2015 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will be easily replaced by tribalist members , it would make more sense to engage in intellectual sabotage than mass layoff Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70733380 If their goal was to punish Elsevier for being evil, that might work. Of course it would be a tragedy for the real group these people are serving by quitting, researchers and scholars. We have a hard enough time weeding out bad studies. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67542437 United States 11/06/2015 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This story is a modern example of Satyagraha, polite insistence on the truth. Quoting: aHEMagain^2 << Digest version cross-posted from Thread: Man detonates bomb at Mississippi Walmart after threatening the store for refusing to sell Confederate flags (Page 2) >> ... Luckily, I also believe they've underestimated how aware people are, and how unlikely it is that a significant number would "band together to start a violent revolution." People are biding their time, waiting for the right course of action to become apparent. The right course of action is militant non-violent civil disobedience. If this guy knew about the Flag Satyagraha which occurred in India around 1923, he at least would have known there is an alternative. Satyagraha is a method of non-violent civil disobedience formalized by Mahatma Gandhi. Satyagraha means "polite but forceful insistence on the truth." One who practices satyagraha is called a satyagrahi. In 1923 large numbers of satyagrahi in India fought against the legitimacy of the British Raj. One method they used was called the Flag Satyagraha. The Raj had prohibited the hoisting of nationalist flags as well as restricting other civil rights. During the Indian independence movement the Flag Satyagraha campaign focused on a simple action. Satyagrahi would demonstrate their rights by hoisting the nationalist flag. ========== The flag satyagraha of Nagpur and Jabalpur occurred over several months in 1923. The arrest of nationalist protestors demanding the right to hoist the flag caused an outcry across India especially as Gandhi had recently been arrested. Nationalist leaders ...organised the revolt and thousands of people from different regions travelled to Nagpur...to participate in civil disobedience. In the end, the British negotiated an agreement with Patel and other Congress leaders permitting the protestors to conduct their march unhindered and obtaining the release of all those arrested. ---------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. ========== Satyagraha isn't for whimp's, as the Salt Satyagraha demonstrated. ========== The Salt March, also known as the Dandi March and the Salt Satyagraha, was a march initiated by Mohandas Gandhi to illegally produce salt from seawater. It began on 12 March 1930, and was a direct action campaign of tax resistance and nonviolent protest against the British salt monopoly in colonial India. ... Gandhi...lead the...March from his base...near the city of Ahmedabad. 78 people began the march with Gandhi, who intended to walk 240 miles (390 km) to the coastal village of Dandi. ... As Gandhi and the others continued on what would become a 24-day march to Dandi to produce salt without paying the tax, growing numbers of Indians joined them along the way. When Gandhi broke the salt laws at 6:30 am on 6 April 1930, it sparked large scale acts of civil disobedience against the British Raj salt laws by millions of Indians. The campaign had a significant effect on changing world and British attitudes towards Indian independence and caused large numbers of Indians to join the fight for the first time. ... The satyagraha against the salt tax continued for almost a year, ending with Gandhi's release from jail and negotiations with Viceroy Lord Irwin at the Second Round Table Conference. Over 80,000 Indians were jailed as a result of the Salt Satyagraha. ... The Salt March to Dandi, and the beating by British police of hundreds of nonviolent protesters in Dharasana, which received worldwide news coverage, demonstrated the effective use of civil disobedience as a technique for fighting social and political injustice. The satyagraha teachings of Gandhi...had a significant influence on American activists Martin Luther King, Jr., James Bevel, and others during the movement for civil rights for blacks and other minority groups in the 1960s. --------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. Emphasis added. ========== I'll bet a couple thousand confederate flag wavers going on a few days march to Walmart's corporate headquarters and then laying down in the streets, blocking traffic, might work, whereas blowing up Walmart stores never would. There's a general principle at play there. aHEMagain |
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(OP) User ID: 63817294 United States 11/06/2015 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP is kicking ass. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70740331 Nice moves. TRUTHSOLDIER +1 SPECIAL ABILITY: DEWEY DECIMALITY This is from someone who KNOWS me, but I don't think I know them? aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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User ID: 11213558 United States 11/06/2015 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who have mastered Dewey Decimal are few, and should be recognized for their accomplishment! :-) Great news about the publications mafia, great teaching thread. OP. The movie Ghandi is available on youtube, and it is well worth watching or rewatching. Thanks. *** Good deeds bring rewards, bad actions bring troubles. That is a law of the universe. *** |
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(OP) User ID: 63817294 United States 11/06/2015 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not so much the decimals, it's the dew. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70740331 IMO that is, I'd be a bad librarian. BAD LIBRARIAN [gets hand smacked] BAD. Oh my. Never expected to see you HERE. Welcome to the madhouse. Been here long? You know, I'm in the process of totally redesigning the Dewey classes along the lines of the Hierarchy of Science/Hierarchy of Knowledge. Actually, I'm more trying to get myself past thinking such ontological masturbation is a waste of time. I'd really like to have it to use as an organizational scaffold for a website, though. Just carrying on work started by someone else. aHEMagain ps: at least you're not a BAD ASTRONOMER. There can be only one. "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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(OP) User ID: 63817294 United States 11/06/2015 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW. WHAT SHITBAG COMPANY.. GOOD ON THEM FOR QUITTING THEIR JOBS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60355076 Scientific research should unless specifically a national security issue for the country should be shared freely to benefit all mankind. [link to youtu.be (secure)] Friends of mine from another life. The article in the OP agrees with your opinion. The original intention of copyright has been completely thwarted, as have patents. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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User ID: 68754170 United States 11/06/2015 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now that's an inspiring story! Good to know people will still stand up and say "enough!" even at the cost of their job when their ethics become too compromised. Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
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(OP) User ID: 63817294 United States 11/06/2015 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | free access to research via the internet will soon lead to the cure for cancer Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70741335 a 3 trillion dollar a year tribal enterprise would be finished and that is not gonna happen turn off the one eyed ju-dus in the living room aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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(OP) User ID: 63817294 United States 11/06/2015 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^^^^^^^ See last post. "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70618948 United States 11/06/2015 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will be easily replaced by tribalist members , it would make more sense to engage in intellectual sabotage than mass layoff Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70733380 If their goal was to punish Elsevier for being evil, that might work. Of course it would be a tragedy for the real group these people are serving by quitting, researchers and scholars. We have a hard enough time weeding out bad studies. aHEMagain It won't be a tragedy at all. They're going to start an open access journal in direct competition with the one that Elsevier is trying to restrict. The linguists and other academic researchers can get the information and can show that such a journal, peer reviewed, can be of even greater quality than the journals being spewed by the big three publishing pimps. FWIW, I've always despised what Elsevier does, and I'd love to see them go down, or even better, have their copyrights revoked. |
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(OP) User ID: 63817294 United States 11/06/2015 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they will be easily replaced by tribalist members , it would make more sense to engage in intellectual sabotage than mass layoff Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70733380 If their goal was to punish Elsevier for being evil, that might work. Of course it would be a tragedy for the real group these people are serving by quitting, researchers and scholars. We have a hard enough time weeding out bad studies. aHEMagain It won't be a tragedy at all. They're going to start an open access journal in direct competition with the one that Elsevier is trying to restrict. The linguists and other academic researchers can get the information and can show that such a journal, peer reviewed, can be of even greater quality than the journals being spewed by the big three publishing pimps. FWIW, I've always despised what Elsevier does, and I'd love to see them go down, or even better, have their copyrights revoked. I was saying that these people staying at Lingua in order to commit "intellectual sabotage" against Elsevier would be a tragedy. I'm in favor of them quitting and starting their own journal in January (Glossa?). aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62766554 United States 11/06/2015 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | free access to research via the internet will soon lead to the cure for cancer Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70741335 a 3 trillion dollar a year tribal enterprise would be finished and that is not gonna happen turn off the one eyed ju-dus in the living room The corporatization of knowledge. Everything in life has been monetized or marginalized. It's pathetic. Can't wait til the pay walls come tumbling down. Somethings simply should NOT be for sale. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24957083 United States 11/06/2015 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW. WHAT SHITBAG COMPANY.. GOOD ON THEM FOR QUITTING THEIR JOBS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60355076 Scientific research should unless specifically a national security issue for the country should be shared freely to benefit all mankind. Why is that? Knowledge is power, knowledge is not free either and requires tremendous amounts of resources to get. Gone are the days of the 1700's and 1800's where sharing such knowledge would give you prestige. Nobody cares about prestige anymore. Now, how much would you pay me for such knowledge? Now they care about that. Money gives me prestige and lots of hookers. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47882001 United States 11/06/2015 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime Editor in Chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ), which is considered another one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world, makes her view of the subject quite plain: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine” |
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