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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70711576 Romania 11/05/2015 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually all started with the death of Vadim Tudor, on 14th Aug, a Trump* of Romania . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70711576 Anyway we will soon make an auction for purchasing politicians Could you tell us more about him? Did he die a natural death? here is a video with him 2 days before he had the heart attach [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] He was sued by many of his parliamnet colegues for defamation ,had an incredible historical memory ,a charity man and a euro politician for few years , in the end a show man. One of his last poetry entitled ""Come death, lets have a coffe"" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30194388 United States 11/05/2015 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in South Louisiana Quoting: Ice any take over will not go well I don't think it will happen down south Bama Mississippi Louisiana Texas ain't going to happen - we are armed to the teeth with tude - we might all die - but we ain't just going to give it all up - not going to happen :drew: :M D 2: It's the same in the Upper Midwest. EVERYONE has guns, and you are not simply going to take them away. Any police force would be gravely outnumbered... |
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zabalzis
User ID: 70211021 Romania 11/05/2015 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's hope Romania will be able to put an end to the >criminal banality of their lazy and entitled "political class"< and be careful their rebellion won't be hi-jacked by radical forces that may destabilize the country even further. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68116233 we will see what will happen, after, the results of the investigation of the events fro the club !....it is look like they try to cover up a big FALSE FLAG !!....hope that the people on the streets don” t forget why are they manifest for ?!!?...things are getting weirder day by day !....viv la revolution ! ;)) ssszzz9 |
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
User ID: 49311670 United States 11/05/2015 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is good rest assured my friend. When 35k people come to join together in the downtown after their jobs, chanting together, praying together, sitting together in silence. People from all walks of life. And there is no need for police whatsoever. And government simply understands that their time is gone. And the next day even more people come casually and start all over again and ask for the entire system to change and for all those from the old one to go home and leave us be. Again no police whatsoever needed. And you have to understand. We had the only bloody revolution in 1989. And our revolution was precisely on the Winter Solstice. And was the only one that needed blood. And Ceausescu was sacrificed on Christmas Day and our people were baptized into freedom. Now at the close of an astrological emotional cycle (which lasts 27 years), we came full circle. Awesome. I really hope that catches fire here. Prayers for you guys! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45596478 United States 11/05/2015 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is good rest assured my friend. When 35k people come to join together in the downtown after their jobs, chanting together, praying together, sitting together in silence. People from all walks of life. And there is no need for police whatsoever. And government simply understands that their time is gone. And the next day even more people come casually and start all over again and ask for the entire system to change and for all those from the old one to go home and leave us be. Again no police whatsoever needed. And you have to understand. We had the only bloody revolution in 1989. And our revolution was precisely on the Winter Solstice. And was the only one that needed blood. And Ceausescu was sacrificed on Christmas Day and our people were baptized into freedom. Now at the close of an astrological emotional cycle (which lasts 27 years), we came full circle. Awesome. I really hope that catches fire here. Prayers for you guys! Ooh.. unfortunate choice of words.. |
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
User ID: 49311670 United States 11/05/2015 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is good rest assured my friend. When 35k people come to join together in the downtown after their jobs, chanting together, praying together, sitting together in silence. People from all walks of life. And there is no need for police whatsoever. And government simply understands that their time is gone. And the next day even more people come casually and start all over again and ask for the entire system to change and for all those from the old one to go home and leave us be. Again no police whatsoever needed. And you have to understand. We had the only bloody revolution in 1989. And our revolution was precisely on the Winter Solstice. And was the only one that needed blood. And Ceausescu was sacrificed on Christmas Day and our people were baptized into freedom. Now at the close of an astrological emotional cycle (which lasts 27 years), we came full circle. Awesome. I really hope that catches fire here. Prayers for you guys! Ooh.. unfortunate choice of words.. Oh God, it was. Sorry romania. That is not what I meant. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone. |
aHEMagain^2
User ID: 70230070 United States 11/05/2015 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The time has come for all of us to become Satyagrahi. << Cross-posting from Thread: Man detonates bomb at Mississippi Walmart after threatening the store for refusing to sell Confederate flags (Page 2) >> I fear you are correct. It will be something the gubmint can use AGAINST those "gun-totin', God fearin', grits-eatin', Bible-readin'" TERRORISTS. They've certainly been laying the groundwork to foster the impression that those most concerned with the direction this country is going should be considered the greatest potential threat to the public. I personally believe they've been trying to get some group to flip it's lid and start taking direct action for several years now. I suspect that this is needed to justify a level of response which the public would normally balk at. Luckily, I also believe they've underestimated how aware people are, and how unlikely it is that a significant number would "band together to start a violent revolution." People are biding their time, waiting for the right course of action to become apparent. The right course of action is militant non-violent civil disobedience. If this guy knew about the Flag Satyagraha which occurred in India around 1923, he at least would have known there is an alternative. Satyagraha is a method of non-violent civil disobedience formalized by Mahatma Gandhi. Satyagraha means "polite but forceful insistence on the truth." One who practices satyagraha is called a satyagrahi. In 1923 large numbers of satyagrahi in India fought against the legitimacy of the British Raj. One method they used was called the Flag Satyagraha. The Raj had prohibited the hoisting of nationalist flags as well as restricting other civil rights. During the Indian independence movement the Flag Satyagraha campaign focused on a simple action. Satyagrahi would demonstrate their rights by hoisting the nationalist flag. ========== The flag satyagraha of Nagpur and Jabalpur occurred over several months in 1923. The arrest of nationalist protestors demanding the right to hoist the flag caused an outcry across India especially as Gandhi had recently been arrested. Nationalist leaders ...organised the revolt and thousands of people from different regions travelled to Nagpur...to participate in civil disobedience. In the end, the British negotiated an agreement with Patel and other Congress leaders permitting the protestors to conduct their march unhindered and obtaining the release of all those arrested. ---------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. ========== Satyagraha isn't for whimp's, as the Salt Satyagraha demonstrated. ========== The Salt March, also known as the Dandi March and the Salt Satyagraha, was a march initiated by Mohandas Gandhi to illegally produce salt from seawater. It began on 12 March 1930, and was a direct action campaign of tax resistance and nonviolent protest against the British salt monopoly in colonial India. ... Gandhi...lead the...March from his base...near the city of Ahmedabad. 78 people began the march with Gandhi, who intended to walk 240 miles (390 km) to the coastal village of Dandi. ... As Gandhi and the others continued on what would become a 24-day march to Dandi to produce salt without paying the tax, growing numbers of Indians joined them along the way. When Gandhi broke the salt laws at 6:30 am on 6 April 1930, it sparked large scale acts of civil disobedience against the British Raj salt laws by millions of Indians. The campaign had a significant effect on changing world and British attitudes towards Indian independence and caused large numbers of Indians to join the fight for the first time. ... The satyagraha against the salt tax continued for almost a year, ending with Gandhi's release from jail and negotiations with Viceroy Lord Irwin at the Second Round Table Conference. Over 80,000 Indians were jailed as a result of the Salt Satyagraha. ... The Salt March to Dandi, and the beating by British police of hundreds of nonviolent protesters in Dharasana, which received worldwide news coverage, demonstrated the effective use of civil disobedience as a technique for fighting social and political injustice. The satyagraha teachings of Gandhi...had a significant influence on American activists Martin Luther King, Jr., James Bevel, and others during the movement for civil rights for blacks and other minority groups in the 1960s. --------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. Emphasis added. ========== I'll bet a couple thousand confederate flag wavers going on a few days march to Walmart's corporate headquarters and then laying down in the streets, blocking traffic, might work, whereas blowing up Walmart stores never would. There's a general principle at play there. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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aHEMagain^2
User ID: 70145553 United States 11/05/2015 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bump. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
andreidita
(OP) User ID: 70732156 Romania 11/05/2015 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In late September I took a job as a picker on an apple farm for harvest season. It was one of the most enlivening experiences I've ever had. Quoting: Anonymous 914 70731766 So if you eat a beautiful apple this season, maybe I carefully picked it for you! :) I met some of the most unforgettable characters this world or other has to offer: Puoyo (which literally means chicken, in his own language), Rado, and Yvanyeh (all in their early 50s). They were Romanian. Puoyo was the oldest, I think, 54. Though I was first concerned for him because he looked at least 70--hobbling around and muttering his romance language under his breath when the Chefin would ride him. He hobbled and muttered very often. He wore silly rain boots. Yvanyeh pretty much looked like his name would otherwise project. He picked the apples we all missed at the tops of the trees and could gracefully gather 5 in one hand if needed. He had great bushy eyebrows and plots of hair growing from his ears--he played the Balkan Folk music periodically with his phone. Rado joked that Yvanyeh had 10 kids. We smoked so many cigarettes throughout the working day I could hardly breathe each morning on my borrowed bicycle, on the way to the farm. We all took turns being hollered by the Chefin, Frau Maria, in the most unrecognizable dialect of the language here, and then some. But I was invited to lunch with her family every day and she also put me on the tractor for quite a bit of the time. The tractor stops for no one and nothing but the voice of Frau Maria, who, luckily or learnedly, speaks tractor wind. She has the taught body of a young athlete with the face of a raisin. She is 60 years old and picks with the Romanians--who live on the farm for a few months every year (for 7 years now). If it weren't for her work ethic, the farm would surely fall apart. If it weren't for their tacit genius and thick skin, the farm would surely fall apart. They know more about the process of harvesting apples now than she does herself, and they have to tell her which rows are ripe to pick and when, though she doesn't like to admit it. Rado and I became great friends. He is one of the most charismatic performers I've ever met in my life. He was the ambassador of the trio and spoke to the Chefin in fairly sound German. We spoke to each other in German, though communicated mostly through exaggerated gestures and imitations. When Frau Maria would kick me off of the tractor to go empty the crates herself, we had the rows as our stage. We took turns doing impressions (mostly of Frau Maria) and rolled around in fits of laughter. I don't consider myself a funny guy most of the time, but the feeling I had when I made those old men laugh contagiously, even through all of our barriers, was something that changed me a little bit as a person. We taught each other some of our first language and so Rado often said to me “G****, drive tractor!" after Frau Mariah said "Los!" and it was time to continue chugging that old tractor down the aisles. I told Rado he looked like he was to become the president of his country one day as we tossed apples into the walnut tree to gather a snack and I meant it. He had a great visage with a firm pot-belly. Not one of those squashy ones. The kind that round out like one were eating grains of steel. He was the kind of guy who could wink at you and make you feel like one of the guys, like you were accepted. On my last day, though none of us knew it was going to be so, Rado challenged me to an arm wrestling match at a picnic table the end of one of the lowest rows on the farm. We only had enough time as it took for Frau Maria to refresh the crates for picking. The winner would be gifted with a cigarette, obviously. I've been challenged to many arm wrestling matches (i'm mostly not as strong as i sometimes look) and Rado was by far the most diplomatic. I always let the challenger set the rules. There are so many slight variances of procedure that many people don't take into consideration when they think about the sport. Most people think their way is a standard, especially when embracing the role of the challenger, which is typical, I guess. The Roma are great olympic wrestlers, historically, which may have had something to do with his professionalism. There is a lot to learn about a man through his approach to arm wrestling. Some will pounce the start, some will misposition themselves, some will lean with everything they weigh, some will squeeze the hand to death and wrench at the wrist--and, of course, everything goes. As it should. Such is life. But ours was as natural as the October breeze evaporating the patches of sweat from the spines of our shirts. We practically leaned back as if we were helping one another up from the ground. In the split seconds it took for us to arrange our dispositions to one another--everything clicked. We squared in every measure. Puoyo and Yvanyeh looked on and laughed and smoked while laying in the grass. We locked up in our mesh for quite some time, though I began to weigh over slowly. Before I could haul him far enough to be acknowledged by the guys we called a stalemate. Though I later asked him for a cigarette. And he flipped open his pack of John Player 100s and told me about his sister in Tennessee again (he was still confused as to why I would leave the US, seemingly to pick apples). When the church bells rang off in the distance 6x it was time to go home and Frau Maria let me know I was no longer needed now, as it was expected to rain for the remainder of the week and they would be making Saft and Schnapps with the press instead of picking from the fields. I thanked her for everything and gave her bussis and then went to hug all of the guys. I knew I would probably never see them again. But we impressed one another forever. I looked back and saw Rado take one last look and we both nodded at a distance. I heard Frau Maria making fun of one of them for tearing up but I'll never know which one for sure. It rained the entire week thereafter. this is a very beautiful piece of writing. you are a very gentle person and have a beautiful mind. if you ever consider a visit to romania give me a sign :) |
aHEMagain^2
User ID: 63817294 United States 11/05/2015 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^^^^^^^ Really, really good. Wow. Thanks for noting that AC, as I'd missed it. aHEMagain ps: That right there is a reason why, people. The ability to experience such things, recognize their beauty, and share that recognition with others. The author has made everyone a finer person for having read their words. If humanity disappears into the void, I believe the universe will be poorer for it. "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69971285 United States 11/05/2015 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As I understand, the Romanian Count Michael(?) was misled into many alleyways and this therefore means that Romania awaits its greatness. When I play WW2 sims, your troops in the south are the weakest, if I play the Soviets it's a cakewalk to Berlin. So yes, peace, maybe with Budapest, you can do it, because you have lovely folk. And this time there will be no tanks, too many people want a different century than the last. |
914 User ID: 70739029 Austria 11/06/2015 03:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you ! --i wasn't sure of myself, to post, as it was relatively beside the point. but it was my first personal encounter w/ Romanians and i was absolutely startled. i'm unspeakably grateful for having met these three people. i only hope to have adopted a fraction of the magnetic charge they carry. i would love to visit! |
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Böze_Tante
User ID: 70738781 Germany 11/06/2015 05:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The time has come for all of us to become Satyagrahi. Quoting: aHEMagain^2 << Cross-posting from Thread: Man detonates bomb at Mississippi Walmart after threatening the store for refusing to sell Confederate flags (Page 2) >> I fear you are correct. It will be something the gubmint can use AGAINST those "gun-totin', God fearin', grits-eatin', Bible-readin'" TERRORISTS. They've certainly been laying the groundwork to foster the impression that those most concerned with the direction this country is going should be considered the greatest potential threat to the public. I personally believe they've been trying to get some group to flip it's lid and start taking direct action for several years now. I suspect that this is needed to justify a level of response which the public would normally balk at. Luckily, I also believe they've underestimated how aware people are, and how unlikely it is that a significant number would "band together to start a violent revolution." People are biding their time, waiting for the right course of action to become apparent. The right course of action is militant non-violent civil disobedience. If this guy knew about the Flag Satyagraha which occurred in India around 1923, he at least would have known there is an alternative. Satyagraha is a method of non-violent civil disobedience formalized by Mahatma Gandhi. Satyagraha means "polite but forceful insistence on the truth." One who practices satyagraha is called a satyagrahi. In 1923 large numbers of satyagrahi in India fought against the legitimacy of the British Raj. One method they used was called the Flag Satyagraha. The Raj had prohibited the hoisting of nationalist flags as well as restricting other civil rights. During the Indian independence movement the Flag Satyagraha campaign focused on a simple action. Satyagrahi would demonstrate their rights by hoisting the nationalist flag. ========== The flag satyagraha of Nagpur and Jabalpur occurred over several months in 1923. The arrest of nationalist protestors demanding the right to hoist the flag caused an outcry across India especially as Gandhi had recently been arrested. Nationalist leaders ...organised the revolt and thousands of people from different regions travelled to Nagpur...to participate in civil disobedience. In the end, the British negotiated an agreement with Patel and other Congress leaders permitting the protestors to conduct their march unhindered and obtaining the release of all those arrested. ---------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. ========== Satyagraha isn't for whimp's, as the Salt Satyagraha demonstrated. ========== The Salt March, also known as the Dandi March and the Salt Satyagraha, was a march initiated by Mohandas Gandhi to illegally produce salt from seawater. It began on 12 March 1930, and was a direct action campaign of tax resistance and nonviolent protest against the British salt monopoly in colonial India. ... Gandhi...lead the...March from his base...near the city of Ahmedabad. 78 people began the march with Gandhi, who intended to walk 240 miles (390 km) to the coastal village of Dandi. ... As Gandhi and the others continued on what would become a 24-day march to Dandi to produce salt without paying the tax, growing numbers of Indians joined them along the way. When Gandhi broke the salt laws at 6:30 am on 6 April 1930, it sparked large scale acts of civil disobedience against the British Raj salt laws by millions of Indians. The campaign had a significant effect on changing world and British attitudes towards Indian independence and caused large numbers of Indians to join the fight for the first time. ... The satyagraha against the salt tax continued for almost a year, ending with Gandhi's release from jail and negotiations with Viceroy Lord Irwin at the Second Round Table Conference. Over 80,000 Indians were jailed as a result of the Salt Satyagraha. ... The Salt March to Dandi, and the beating by British police of hundreds of nonviolent protesters in Dharasana, which received worldwide news coverage, demonstrated the effective use of civil disobedience as a technique for fighting social and political injustice. The satyagraha teachings of Gandhi...had a significant influence on American activists Martin Luther King, Jr., James Bevel, and others during the movement for civil rights for blacks and other minority groups in the 1960s. --------- [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Less than 50% copied. Emphasis added. ========== I'll bet a couple thousand confederate flag wavers going on a few days march to Walmart's corporate headquarters and then laying down in the streets, blocking traffic, might work, whereas blowing up Walmart stores never would. There's a general principle at play there. aHEMagain Good that you gave one idea of "modern" satyagraha. Perhaps we need a few others which fit to the society of the different countries. The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is). No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it: Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms. It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people. That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”. |
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aHEMagain^2
User ID: 70485763 United States 11/06/2015 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good that you gave one idea of "modern" satyagraha. Perhaps we need a few others which fit to the society of the different countries. Thank you. It just so happens I have a great one. Thread: MASS FLOUNCE | Entire academic journal staff quits in protest New thread on an academic journal editorial staff and board (30+ people) who quit en masse to protest Elsevier. Elsevier is evil. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 63271067 United States 11/06/2015 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in South Louisiana Quoting: Ice any take over will not go well I don't think it will happen down south Bama Mississippi Louisiana Texas ain't going to happen - we are armed to the teeth with tude - we might all die - but we ain't just going to give it all up - not going to happen :drew: :M D 2: It's the same in the Upper Midwest. EVERYONE has guns, and you are not simply going to take them away. Any police force would be gravely outnumbered... Too bad you are all cowards who did not stand up to Protest when Bush gutted the Constitutional Law,attacked the American People and began his fake war in USA |
Isis One
User ID: 14343270 United States 11/06/2015 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
andreidita
(OP) User ID: 3834384 Romania 11/10/2015 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | to give an update for the current state of affairs: a `technocrat` PM has been named by the President, which is a high EU official and has been already announced 5 days ago in EU press. But this thread was about the unfolding of the collective energy of the Heart. When new events will unfold along this line i will keep you posted. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69811063 United States 11/10/2015 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | to give an update for the current state of affairs: Quoting: andreidita a `technocrat` PM has been named by the President, which is a high EU official and has been already announced 5 days ago in EU press. But this thread was about the unfolding of the collective energy of the Heart. When new events will unfold along this line i will keep you posted. Yeah and a bump for OP !!!!! |
andreidita
(OP) User ID: 3834384 Romania 11/14/2015 05:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fire in romania was during a rock concert as the massacre in france a few days after the fire in romania, an explosion at a bread factory near a football stadium happened while the match was live on tv: again see the similarity with what happened in Paris |