Near Death Experiences explained: Scientists discover the mystery of afterlife visions

Bullshit - explain how said people observe what has happened in the operation room when they are under or dead?

gee. do you think they want to erodes people faith in an afterlife so that they'll be able to be scared into submission?

this is from that stupid website that makes lots of outlandish claims anyway so dont expect much

There was a test preformed by doctors actively studying the near-death experiences that placed lighted images on the ceilings of rooms after the patients were unconscious. Sure enough several people were able to positively identify the images. I'll try to find more information, but it was on some documentary that I watched.

I'm no doctor - yet - but if someone does not show vital signs, it doesn't mean he is dead. He can still have some kind of cerebral activity, where the images that enter his eyes can be stored in his memory, and the same apllies for sounds, sensations...

Scared into submission? Sorry, wrong. This article shows that the Bible and Science walk together, even if it doens't seem so sometimes.

The bible says that when one dies, he is in a sleep state. There is no tunnel of light, no angel waiting for you, THAT IS, until the judgment day, but as it hasn't happened yet, one cannot see those things in a near death experience.

Does not explain NDE's where the patient goes somewhere and witnesses verified conversations. Just because there is a physiological correlate does not fully explain the subsequent phenomena. What they have found is merely the physical gates from which the soul emerges.

Doesnt explain how I was able to look at my operation from above, nor how I could wander around the hospital, visiting anyone I wanted too.

I could see. I could move. I knew things I shouldnt at the time because my body was dead.

Glad it happened. It helped me to discard organized religion and discover more deeply who I actually am.

Also, my grandmother was able to watch from above when the doctor accidentally drop his pen on her chest during surgery. She counted all the extra nurses and staff that rushed in to assist as well.

If you say so...

But in the heat of emotion, when you realize what you went through, you may see things a little diferent then how they really happened.

"If you say so...

But in the heat of emotion, when you realize what you went through, you may see things a little diferent then how they really happened."


Only one problem with that.

You werent there. I was.

Hmm not trying to be rude, but wich doctor carries a pen on surgery? And, if it happened, she could have heard the conversation when she was asleep...

Ok. Re-read what I wrote :)

No, dont see things any different than how they happened and I've had thirty years to ponder it.

Happy to know that death is WAY more imaginative than the bible would have you believe.

People who have seen UFO usually strongly defends that they saw something un-natural. You can tell them, even prove to them that what they saw was an airplane, or a satellite, but even then they won't believe that what they saw isn't what they think they saw.

Double post heh.

And how is that proven to them? By swamp gas explanations?

I dont think UFO's are unnatural. I believe it's a scientific phenomenon with a scientific explantion. One being, IMO is that extraterrestrial life is real and is here at present upon this planet.

If someone caught it on tape, then someone notices it behaves like an satellite, or if someone see a light on a place that has a lot of air traffic, or if someone see a light behaving weirdly, and later discovers that there happened an accident wich required helicopters...

This discussion isn't about UFO's, hehe, but you know that I'll disagree with your last sentence :p

"If someone caught it on tape, then someone notices it behaves like an satellite, or if someone see a light on a place that has a lot of air traffic, or if someone see a light behaving weirdly, and later discovers that there happened an accident wich required helicopters...

This discussion isn't about UFO's, hehe, but you know that I'll disagree with your last sentence :p"


Spirits can be explained by science too IMO, as they are likely composed of particles and matter as well, albeit stuff we cannot yet measure. We just need more sensitive instruments.

A snake can use infrared naturally, yet you cannot. Is the snake mistaken too?

So, the enormous number of people who have had near death experiences are hallucinating? And they all have the same basic hallucination? This is old and rehashed and has been thoroughly discredited. The fact is, Christians can't stand the idea that there is something after this life other than the fantasy of a Jesus-ruled "heaven" -- one that they created and perpetuate.

Why don't you start at

[link to www.near-death.com]

and look at this issue from another perspective. Your preacher is lying to you. He/she has an agenda, whether or not they are even aware of it, and you are working for them to keep their deception going.

no mention of DMT in the article. interesting.

A Lawyer Presents the Case for the Afterlife

SCIENTIFIC STUDIES IN LIFE AFTER DEATH - Why were you not told about this evidence? This objective evidence has not been rebutted by any scientist - or anybody else in eight years on the Net. Click on THE BOOK top right.
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[link to www.victorzammit.com]

The following is a "Life After Death" (LAD) experience of Louis Famoso in the year of Our Lord 1963, from a car accident:


"...I was journeying back to where I knew earth would be and watched as comets and asteroids casually passed by me or I passed them. The colors of the gaseous cloud formations were striking. I started looking at these infant galaxies as one would cloud formations back on earth, imagining what shape they were taking on. This one a boat. This a bird with wings. This a scarf floating in the breeze. I recognized what was the constellation ORION and I knew I was getting close to my destination.

While drifting through ORION, I noticed two blazing celestial bodies racing parallel to its center, looking as twin arrows exiting from an archers bow and headed straight for the "Blue Marble" of home. Immediately, a vision of millions of people crying because of the devastation of portions of New York City came to me. I became aware of a strange feeling I had not known previously, and I thought that might be because this was the city I had grown up in. I saw a huge earthquake, a magnitude of 8.6 in someplace named EUREKA. A ham operator or radio announcer was directing thousands of people migrating from areas of frequent disasters to places of safety. A space station appeared to be falling from the heavens because of an internal explosion. Missiles were being simultaneously fired into space from several nations. I thought the light being had shown me all there was to see but these were different, stronger and there was no pre-screening as before. Gabriel appeared beside me, I thought because I had felt shaky, but it was to explain the now sprawling galactic view of my galaxy.

The sun was expanding and spewing off huge ecto-plasma balls, more then it has ever done in its past, and in the very direction the planets would orbit through. I could not take my eyes from the earth and as I watched what effect these eruptions would have on the earth.

A large mass passed me, larger then any of the planets known to me, and as it passes, I see the earth wobble wildly as would a top toward the end of its spin. The rotation stopped and slowly started again but it was tilted now and I was drawn in closer like the zoom of a lens.

The ash clouds that had engulfed the earth thinned, and like a tack welded piece of metal being dismantled, I could see the ocean bodies starting to rise - first the Pacific along the "Ring of Fire", then the others, synchronistical.

As the waters shifted upon the landmasses, the landmasses started to sink under the waters added pressure upon it. When the pressures equaled out, to the spin of the changing axis, the earth no longer looked as it did moments before. It was newer, cleaner, more beautiful with darker greens and lighter blues. Some of the new landmasses looked similar to a few of the other planets I had recently visited with Michael.

People were upon this earth and appeared happier and more content although seemingly living like the native populations of old.

Cities, built by the Ancient Ones, that were buried beneath the oceans, were now being populated by the surviving people in this new world. I saw tribes joining tribes and small nations forming, but it was what I didn't see that made my heart burst. There were no more wars. True peace and happiness had finally befallen on humankind.

Gabriel now tells me that this is his message that I must take back, to let others know that there is little to fear, for the earth will go on forever as did all the planets I had visited. I am to tell the world to look to ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them..."

[link to www.near-death.com]

Yeah, I know this isn't about UFOs specifically, but you brought it up. The template is the same. I've seen several UFOs in my life and I know more about what I saw than you or anyone else. I know how it moved and how the size, color, speed and manuverability of them are impossible for anything humanity can do with technology. Add to that the fact that they appeared to be intelligently controlled, I'd say you have to come up with something incredibly strong and solid to refute what I saw.

As far as the intensity of UFO witnesses' defense of what they saw, certainly only we are in a position to make conclusions about our experience. Again, Christians squirm and fret over the fact that humanity isn't the center of the universe, nor are we "God's special creation". We're just part of it, not the ONLY life in the universe.

At one time, Christians were convinced the earth was flat. No amount of evidence could convince them otherwise for hundreds of years.

For thousands of years, Christians (and as a result, the rest of the world) were convinced that the earth was the center of the universe. No amount of evidence was sufficient to convince them otherwise.

Now, I find it sad and humorous at the same time that Christians, and Christian influence, purports to present evidence that near death experiences are simply hallucinations and UFOs are merely airplanes or some other mundane object. You were wrong then and you (your dogma) is wrong now. A belief system which for 2,000 years has rejected evidence contrary to that belief system now tries to slip in its primitive, supersticious voodoo through what it calls "science". Please...

Read Chapter 6
6. Near Death Experiences (NDEs)
[link to www.victorzammit.com]

Well, that is arguable for some of us.

My Experience...

"In March 2000, my Mother died of complications of Diabetes, and Dialysis, resulting in leg amputation and then heart Failure, was a vey painful 5 days for her.

I was there for several days, had to leave, with the intent to return in 2 days.

Was at the airport preparing to catch the plane when my brother paged me, so I stopped at a pay phone and called, and he advised that she had just passed in the last few minutes, and Doctor's confirmed her passing.

Of course I stood in shock, trying to compose myself in the crowd. After about 5 minutes, I turned and grabbed the handle of my tote, and it would not roll, so I tried again, and I looked down and something was under the little wheel, so I reached down and picked it up, and it was a new shinny penny. Now, that does not seem too important in the run of the day, however, I am going to tell you one more aspect that came to my mind immediately.

When growing up, I was known at times as being melancholic...a little down at times, as my father was a real brute.

So my mother began very early in my life to say something to break me from my Melancholic mode...and that saying was this...

"...A Penny for your Thoughts..."

and that was the first thought that crossed my mind when I saw that shinny little Penny...

Hello Mom, glad you let me know that everything was OK...Love You Always.

May we all Rest in Peace, one way or the other."

C. The Void Unplugged, 2006

Regards,
Further Considerations

I can barely believe the science guys are running this old crap up the flagpole yet again. All those people with the same basic set of hallucinations? Ask a scientist to figure the odds on that - I'm sure they're astronomical.