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Sky News has obtained chilling new evidence of mobile execution buses being used by the Chinese government. It comes less than two years before China hosts the next Olympic Games.

A chilling short video report shows that after the innocent victims are murdered their organs are removed and sold to wealthy patients.

[link to news.sky.com]
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China's Execution Buses
Updated: 10:09, Thursday October 05, 2006

Sky News has obtained chilling new evidence of mobile execution buses being used by the Chinese government.

It comes less than two years before China hosts the next Olympics - an event it was given after promising to improve its human rights record.

China's penal system is surrounded by a wall of secrecy, but an investigation by Sky's China correspondent Dominic Waghorn found between 3,500 and 10,000 people are put to death each year.

The volume of executions has meant China has invented new ways of killing, mobilising and mechanising its execution system.

A brochure acquired by Sky News reveals details of China's new execution buses now operating across the country.

Fitted with lethal injection equipment they can deliver on-the-spot executions.

Sky News spoke to a number of people affected by the executions including the family of Nie Shubin who was only 20 when he was wrongly accused of rape and murder.

His mother and sister told how he was held in jail for three years, without being allowed to see his family.

Nie Shuie said: "They never let me see him after his arrest. That continued till the end. I never saw him again before he was executed "And nobody told us that he had been executed."

Nie was accused of attacking a woman in a field near his home, but only after his execution did another man confess to the attack.

In an exclusive report earlier this year, Sky News gathered evidence linking China's execution system and its booming organ transplant industry.

Amnesty International says the demand for transplant organs may be driving the high number of executions in China.

Even by official figures more people are executed every year in China than the rest of the world put together.

[link to news.sky.com]
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Poster 104256, i bet you have a tattoo on your sloped forehead that reads slippery when wet.

Your the type of moron who is all too quick to dismiss any credible information, why is that, maybe because your a Bush baby, is that it, is 'ole georgie boy ramming his anal destroyer dildo de-lux up your jaxie and causing your judgement to let you down.

Anyway go back to your parents cellar where your collection of bestiality monthly mags will keep you occupied for another few days.

BYE.
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Seriously after the recent law passed by Bush can you rule out ever seeing these buses cruising the streets of America?
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As the saying goes the truth is usually much stranger than fiction.
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This is absolutely terrifying, does it smack of the near future for humanity, probably.
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How can any organs harvested be good if they are contaminated with the drugs that killed the donor?
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China has been accused of harvesting the organs of executed prisoners without consent.

British experts say organs are being taken from thousands of people every year and sold for transplants.

The British Transplantation Society has condemned the practice - which Chinese officials deny - as a breach of human rights.

Professor Stephen Wigmore, who chairs the society's ethics committee, said the speed of matching donors and patients implied prisoners were being selected before execution.

He said: "The weight of evidence has accumulated to a point over the last few months where it's really incontrovertible in our opinion.

"We condemn unreservedly any activity that transgresses an individual's human rights or involves the coercion of an individual to become an organ donor.

"The alleged sale of organs derived from executed prisoners for financial gain is a lamentable practice.

It is claimed organs are taken from executed prisoners
"Aware also of the burden of human suffering that flows from the worldwide shortages of ethically-acceptable organs, any act that risks calling the practice of transplantation into disrepute is to be regretted."

A Sky News undercover report shows at least one Chinese medic admitting the practice.

"Our hospital can provide organs the fastest because we have the best connections," one nurse said, alluding to links to military police.

Prof Wigmore said he and his colleagues all knew of patients who had researched the possibility of going to China for transplants.

Last week, a Chinese health official said organs from executed prisoners were used, but only with prior permission and in very few cases.

Authorities have announced steps to tighten regulations surrounding transplants.

From July, selling organs will be illegal and all donors must give written permission.

The Chinese embassy in London denied the claims to Sky News.
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Is it possible that the drugs they inject in the execution buses leave the body a short time after? i dunno i'm not a toxicologist.
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Chinese Mobile Execution Bus — Think Global, Execute Local — Express Line to Cemetery.

The country that executed more than four times as many convicts as the rest of the world combined last year is slowly phasing out public executions by firing squad in favor of lethal injections. Unlike the United States and Singapore, the only two other countries where death is administered by injection, China metes out capital punishment from specially equipped “death vans” that shuttle from town to town.

Makers of the death vans say the vehicles and injections are a civilized alternative to the firing squad, ending the life of the condemned more quickly, clinically and safely. The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China “promotes human rights now,” says Kang Zhongwen, who designed the Jinguan Automobile death van in which “Devil” Zhang took his final ride.

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This article direct from the Amnesty International website.

Chinese use mobile death vans to execute prisoners, Converted buses used as mobile chambers to execute prisoners by lethal injection.

[link to web.amnesty.org]
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How can any organs harvested be good if they are contaminated with the drugs that killed the donor?
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In the case f the Falun Gong, organs are sometimes removed before the prisoner is dead.
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Seriously after the recent law passed by Bush can you rule out ever seeing these buses cruising the streets of America?
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hey, no matter how much you distain the recent Bush BS, he is a piker compared to China
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Sky News has obtained chilling new evidence of mobile execution buses being used by the Chinese government. It comes less than two years before China hosts the next Olympic Games.

A chilling short video report shows that after the innocent victims are murdered their organs are removed and sold to wealthy patients.

[link to news.sky.com]
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Good lord. The sad part is no one at the Olympics cares. They just want the money. China is not what people think it is.
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Push trauma induction on the human psyche to it's breaking point and you'd get anyone to confess. This is atrocious. It's helping boom the transplant industry. The money trail leads to the almighty $$. Sick and twisted.
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Tell me just exactly how are the drugs going to leave the body after death.
Remember at death all system shut down.
No more processing goes on. The drugs KILL the person and all his organs. they would all have the drug in them.
So either this part is a lie, or the people getting these organ get sick and/or die.

If the British are so concerned why don't they simple ban all imported organ.

I this this transplant business is just that, a business. It it a hoax played on the innocent who are told they need a transplant. There simply cannot be that many people who "need" transplants. How about just healing the body? Or better still, take care of it so that it does not deteriorate that rapidly.
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The Chinese are not shy about their new found science. They use the prisoners as body parts on order.

Here's an undercover video which tells all. [link to www.dumpalink.com]
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And, if you purchase Chinese imports you are supporting the regime that does this atrocity.


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Sky News has obtained chilling new evidence of mobile execution buses being used by the Chinese government. It comes less than two years before China hosts the next Olympic Games.

A chilling short video report shows that after the innocent victims are murdered their organs are removed and sold to wealthy patients.

[link to news.sky.com]
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this has been going on for years.
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VAN SPECS

Cost: $37,500 to $75,000, depending on vehicle's size
Length: 20 to 26 feet
Top speed: 65 to 80 mph

THREE SECTIONS

Execution chamber: in the back, with blacked-out windows; seats beside the stretcher for a court doctor and guards; sterilizer for injection equipment; wash basin
Observation area: in the middle, with a glass window separating it from execution area; can accommodate six people; official-in-charge oversees the execution through monitors connected to the prisoner and gives instruction via walkie-talkie.
Driver area

Production to date: at least 40 vehicles, made by Jinguan and two other companies in Jiangsu and Shandong provinces

Local executions

Makers of death vans say they save money for poor localities that would otherwise have to pay to construct execution facilities in prisons or court buildings. The vans ensure that prisoners sentenced to death can be executed locally, closer to communities where they broke the law.

That "deters others from committing crime and has more impact" than executions carried out elsewhere, Kang says.

Jinguan — "Golden Champion" in Chinese — lies an hour's drive from Chongqing in southwestern China, below the green slopes of Cliff Mountain. Along with the death vans, the company also makes bulletproof limousines for the country's rich and armored trucks for banks. Jinguan's glossy death van brochure is printed in both Chinese and English.

From the outside, the vans resemble the police vehicles seen daily on China's roads. A look inside reveals their function.

"I'm most proud of the bed. It's very humane, like an ambulance," Kang says. He points to the power-driven metal stretcher that glides out at an incline. "It's too brutal to haul a person aboard," he says. "This makes it convenient for the criminal and the guards."

The lethal cocktail used in the injections is mixed only in Beijing, something that has prompted complaints from local courts.

"Some places can't afford the cost of sending a person to Beijing — perhaps $250 — plus $125 more for the drug," says Qiu Xingsheng, a former judge working as a lawyer in Chongqing. Death-by-gunshot requires "very little expense," he says.

Qiu has attended executions by firing squad where the kneeling prisoner is shot in the back of the head. The guards "ask the prisoner to open his mouth, so the bullet can pass out of the mouth and leave the face intact," he says.

No debate

In the United States, some death row inmates and death penalty opponents want the Supreme Court to declare lethal injections cruel and unusual. A recent lawsuit claimed inmates suffer excruciating pain during executions because they do not get enough anesthetic.

There is no such debate in China, which uses the same three-drug cocktail as the U.S. federal government and most U.S. states: sodium thiopental to make the condemned unconscious, pancuronium bromide to stop breathing, potassium chloride to stop the heart.

People's Daily and other state media describe the mix as a "non-virulent drug," bringing about "immediate clinical death while inflicting no physiological pain."

"It doesn't matter what method you use," Qiu says. "If someone is convicted of a capital crime, they should be executed."

Chinese prisoners condemned to death are not offered a choice of injection over gunshot, but Qiu and others suspect wealth and connections can buy the newer method.

"It is a real phenomenon that gangsters and corrupt officials are killed by injection more than gunshot, so their bodies are intact, and death is less painful," Liu says. "But I doubt it is government policy. These criminals are usually held in cities, where the injection is used. Common criminals are held in county-level facilities, where shooting is more common."

Tycoon Yuan Baojing was executed in March in a death van, in northeast China's Liaoyang city. He had been convicted of arranging the murder of a man trying to blackmail him for attempting to assassinate a business partner.

Sixty-eight different crimes — more than half non-violent offenses such as tax evasion and drug smuggling — are punishable by death in China. That means the death vans are likely to keep rolling.

"If we abolish the death penalty, then crime will grow," Kang says

[link to www.usatoday.com]
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Nightmare on wheels or what.
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The NWO coming from China.
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Why did you put Bush is the title? He has nothing to do with this.
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kimONCE WE TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY , WE`LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE WILL BE PLENTY ENOUGH BUSES FOR ALL YOU ROUND EYES .
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in China you are guilty until proven innocent. There are not 5th amendment rights. And less than 3% of criminal trials are afforded a defense attorney.So this is what makes these mobile execution centers even more disturbing. Probably most of these people are innocent.

I am sure Bush would love this model for the US.
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I can't believe the Olympics are there in two years. Plus the NFL plans to hold a game their next year. I think both should be boycotted.
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Trains, planes, buses, got em all. Painted white. Orders been placed and filled many times over.
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How can the toxic effects of whatever death dealing drug leave the body when the body has c eased to function and the organs which process and dilute or remove the toxins have been removed anyway?

Also to poster who called someone with whom he/she disagreed with a moron, it is not "your" but you're. Why can't you get that straight before demeaning someone else? Your means belonging to you and you're is you are.

Are these the equivalent then to our 'white boxcars'? With the guillotines? Maybe they don't do it by lethal injection but beheading?
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Either way it will only take the right occasion to introduce these killing machines, i suspect we will see them in due course when the time is right.





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