How to Debate a Liberal and Win (Avoiding anger and using facts)

There aren't just two kinds of people. I support gay marriage and am pro choice because those are decisions best left to individuals. Competitive free markets are good, but non competitive markets are flawed. I don't want to replace government power with private power. I'm not a libertarian because sometimes you just have to do things as a group (national security, probably health insurance among others). Gov should be limited and transparent. That appears to heard to do, but my opinion is that maybe its possible, or at least worth working for.

Continue on making up the fantasy you are living folks. Debating with a conservative is like arguing with a 3 year old... you'll never win if they can't even comprehend what you are saying.

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I've debated dozens and dozens of liberals, they're all the same. If you don't have the liberal mindset, you aren't a liberal. Pretty simple really

Yeah, same here. Liberals are pretty much the same... All about emotions and no facts. One of the oldest friends is a liberal and she uses emotion, no facts. Same with my twin brother but he hasn't said anything for a few years. Seems he gave up or something.

I'm fortunate to come from a conservative family, but I know exactly how you feel. The same thing happens with my friends, and I've actually lost a lot of friends over getting mad / telling them I never want to talk to them again because they're idiots.

No you are the idiot. You are unable to entertain any idea other than what is in your made up mind. That also means you are incapable of learning or understanding that other peoples opinions are just as valid as yours. In order to get anything done people must work together and compromise in all things. Get over yourself and become someone worth listening to so you can stop alienating people.

6. Pick your battles. Remember that 90% of liberals will not change their views, so you have to pick your battles. Ben, for example, recommends to always debate a liberal in front of a large crowd, and embarrass them as much as possible. The average liberal may not be worth wasting your time, because at the end of the debate, even if you have all the facts, their views will not change.

For the longest time, I had much built-up anger against liberals. Every time I tried to have a discussion, this anger came out and lead to a bad place. Calling them names, personal attacks, etc.

Fortunately I came across Ben Shapiro, and watched many of his videos. I want to share you with the basics of what I learned, and how you can use it to your advantage.

Note: This isn't exactly what's in the video, just some things that I picked up along the way. Watch the video for the full presentation.

1. Frame the debate. The liberal will generally always try to use an opinion as fact. In this situation, you must frame the debate using a factual point of view. For example, if a liberal says "Trump is a racist", I might say "You're telling me a racist employs thousands of blacks/Hispanics, and married a woman who is from Slovenia?". The liberal may respond with "It doesn't matter, he's still a racist", and I might say, "You know what, you are the racist, you're the one calling Trump a racist without any evidence whatsoever. That means you're a bully and a nasty human being. If you're that type of person then we can't have a rational conversation. If you want to learn the facts, then maybe we can talk about it."

2. Do not get angry. We all know that liberals are bullies. They do not want to use facts, they prefer to argue with "feelz" instead. This can cause you to immediately go off on personal attacks. Do not do this. Beat them with logic and facts instead.

3. Know your facts. Have a good understanding of economic issues, trade deficits, FBI crime statistics, illegal immigration, foreign policy, gun statistics, and anything else that you think will be brought up during the debate.

4. Do not fall into their trap. The liberal will always try to make you feel guilty, because it makes them feel good. It's what they are taught to do, it's their only play. Do not fall into this trap, keep re-framing the debate back to a factual point of view. Never let them debate on "feelz".

5. They do not have control of you. Despite what the liberal may think, their insults have no power over you. So regardless of if they call you a racist, sexist, whatever, it doesn't matter. You have the facts, they have opinions. Keep debating them with facts, as the liberal cannot win a factual debate.

6. Pick your battles. Remember that 90% of liberals will not change their views, so you have to pick your battles. Ben, for example, recommends to always debate a liberal in front of a large crowd, and embarrass them as much as possible. The average liberal may not be worth wasting your time, because at the end of the debate, even if you have all the facts, their views will not change.

What ideas am I unable to entertain? Be specific

If you were able to entertain other viewpoints you wouldn't resort to getting mad/telling them you never want to talk to them again because they are idiots. They feel just as passionately about their stance on things as you do and the fact is a good place to come together is in the middle. People aren't going to listen to a ranter blowhard who believes he is right and everybody else is wrong. Respect others and you should get that in return. LIsten more than you speak, you might learn something. Ask questions without malice. Make your arguments politely as if…did you know that …………..
Calm collected prepared people come off as intelligent and involved not hostile or childish.

Did you read the thread? The point of it was to encourage others to stop using emotion, and debate with intellect, thus avoiding telling friends they never want to talk to them again. I made the mistake of losing some liberal friends, and although I don't regret it, it could've been avoided by using the information in this thread.

Agreed. Liberals are taught a narrative but not the underlying statistics to back up the narrative. So when you put them in a position where they actually have to use facts and logic, they are unable to do so. It's quite satisfying, since I've been watching Ben, I've had a lot of fun debating these retards

Conservatism and GLP do not mix. Too much inner conflict. It is impossible to be a "conservative" on this forum.

The liberals are actually right. They just don't know why.

If you believe in 9/11 being an inside job and Sandy Hook being a complete hoax and generally have an honest distrust of the government, then there is no way that conservatism, in the Republican sense of the word, is acceptable nor is it ever applicable.

GLP = Liberal.....but from a different perspective.

I don't have enough time to debate a liberal. I usually just let them hand me my coffee and I'm on my way.

For the longest time, I had much built-up anger against liberals. Every time I tried to have a discussion, this anger came out and lead to a bad place. Calling them names, personal attacks, etc.

Fortunately I came across Ben Shapiro, and watched many of his videos. I want to share you with the basics of what I learned, and how you can use it to your advantage.

Note: This isn't exactly what's in the video, just some things that I picked up along the way. Watch the video for the full presentation.

1. Frame the debate. The liberal will generally always try to use an opinion as fact. In this situation, you must frame the debate using a factual point of view. For example, if a liberal says "Trump is a racist", I might say "You're telling me a racist employs thousands of blacks/Hispanics, and married a woman who is from Slovenia?". The liberal may respond with "It doesn't matter, he's still a racist", and I might say, "You know what, you are the racist, you're the one calling Trump a racist without any evidence whatsoever. That means you're a bully and a nasty human being. If you're that type of person then we can't have a rational conversation. If you want to learn the facts, then maybe we can talk about it."

2. Do not get angry. We all know that liberals are bullies. They do not want to use facts, they prefer to argue with "feelz" instead. This can cause you to immediately go off on personal attacks. Do not do this. Beat them with logic and facts instead.

3. Know your facts. Have a good understanding of economic issues, trade deficits, FBI crime statistics, illegal immigration, foreign policy, gun statistics, and anything else that you think will be brought up during the debate.

4. Do not fall into their trap. The liberal will always try to make you feel guilty, because it makes them feel good. It's what they are taught to do, it's their only play. Do not fall into this trap, keep re-framing the debate back to a factual point of view. Never let them debate on "feelz".

5. They do not have control of you. Despite what the liberal may think, their insults have no power over you. So regardless of if they call you a racist, sexist, whatever, it doesn't matter. You have the facts, they have opinions. Keep debating them with facts, as the liberal cannot win a factual debate.

6. Pick your battles. Remember that 90% of liberals will not change their views, so you have to pick your battles. Ben, for example, recommends to always debate a liberal in front of a large crowd, and embarrass them as much as possible. The average liberal may not be worth wasting your time, because at the end of the debate, even if you have all the facts, their views will not change.

Agreed. I truly think liberalism is a mental illness. What's funny is that we base this belief off facts. They call conservatism a mental illness, based on opinions / narratives they've been fed, but are never able to back it up.

Most of the time, arguments (about anything, really) can't be "won".


Reason is not really big with human beings.

You can't reason people out of insanity, and at this point liberalism is mental illness.

Just sayin'