How to Debate a Liberal and Win (Avoiding anger and using facts)

Another topic where there's only an opinion, and no fact (besides a human-written book) to back it up.

What's a liberal again? I see this word getting thrown around a lot and it seems to get used arbitrarily with little basis or explanation.. just a blah blah liberals this, liberals that, type rant.

My immediate family was conservative. It's my extended family that are the liberals. I never tell them they are idiots even if I think that.

I used to be a liberal growing up and they haven't quite figured out I'm not anymore. Sometimes I pretend to still have liberal point of view on issues just to keep the peace. So sad!

I also used to be a liberal growing up, but when I started my business, my views quickly changed. I realized that I was working my ass off to pay for others who choose to be lazy.

Exactly. What's that saying....

"If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain."

But I also think it's all the social programming/conditioning at schools/colleges that make the youth predominately liberal.

Funny you talk about using opinions as facts and then line by line make sweeping declarations about what liberals think, say, and do....when its clear that you have no facts to back that up.

I'm a "liberal" and none of your "liberals always" or "liberals never" statements fit me. Nor do they fit most of the liberals I know.

I suggest if you want to debate a liberal and win, you might want to get rid of bullshit stereotypes you suspect or maybe just wish were true. At least then you'll have a chance.

A liberal to me is someone who uses opinions to debate instead of fact. Someone who believes that the government will create a utopian society, where everyone is rich, happy, and doesn't have to work hard. Someone who believes the hard workers, builders of society, businesses that create jobs, should be taxed large amounts to pay for the poor's inability to become self-empowered and do something with their lives. Someone who believes that racism / sexism is the reason why they cannot succeed. Someone who believes life is "unfair" and they should be rewarded for not trying hard. A liberal is someone who would prefer to give every contestant a "participation trophy" instead of giving the winner a large, awesome trophy. I could go on, but you get the point.

You talking about Darwin's On the Origin of Species?

This response sort of reinforces the OP pretty well.

When Libtards start to insult and attack you personally in q debate or argument.

You know you've won!

Ahh yeah I get the point, liberal is just some word people came up with to label people who supposedly believe in some contrived notions.

If debating with opinions and not facts defines a liberal, then aren't you one? You've expressed some rather inane notions there as being characteristic of liberals.. I find it rather unlikely, in fact it's more likely that when people try to state opinions along the lines of what you are saying, the usual people who oppose the notion of a more fairly run society will just reword their arguments into the inane notions you just listed there and attempt to ridicule them instead of evaluating what they are actually trying to say. That's not to say that there are not people out there who would love everything for free, I'm sure there are, but the amount of times I see the word used seems to suggest that it's used out of context frequently as some kind of belittling device.

But hey, don't let me spoil your fun trying to intellectualize an overused mostly unjustifiable insult used to ridicule people who have opposing views.

The only reason for a real man to claim he is liberal is to get laid

For the longest time, I had much built-up anger against liberals. Every time I tried to have a discussion, this anger came out and lead to a bad place. Calling them names, personal attacks, etc.

Fortunately I came across Ben Shapiro, and watched many of his videos. I want to share you with the basics of what I learned, and how you can use it to your advantage.

Note: This isn't exactly what's in the video, just some things that I picked up along the way. Watch the video for the full presentation.

1. Frame the debate. The liberal will always try to use an opinion as fact. This is generally what angers me the most. In this situation, you must frame the debate using a factual point of view. For example, if a liberal says "Trump is a racist", I might say "You're telling me a racist employs thousands of blacks/Hispanics, and married a woman who is from Slovenia?". The liberal may respond with "It doesn't matter, he's still a racist", and I might say, "You know what, you are the racist, you're the one calling Trump a racist without any evidence whatsoever. That means you're a bully and a nasty human being. If you're that type of person then we can't have a rational conversation. If you want to learn the facts, then maybe we can talk about it."

2. Do not get angry. We all know that liberals are bullies. They do not want to use facts, they prefer to argue with "feelz" instead. This can cause you to immediately go off on personal attacks. Do not do this. Beat them with logic and facts instead.

3. Know your facts. Have a good understanding of economic issues, trade deficits, FBI crime statistics, illegal immigration, foreign policy, gun statistics, and anything else that you think will be brought up during the debate.

4. Do not fall into their trap. The liberal will always try to make you feel guilty, because it makes them feel good. It's what they are taught to do, it's their only play. Do not fall into this trap, keep re-framing the debate back to a factual point of view. Never let them debate on "feelz".

5. They do not have control of you. Despite what the liberal may think, their insults have no power over you. So regardless of if they call you a racist, sexist, whatever, it doesn't matter. You have the facts, they have opinions. Keep debating them with facts, as the liberal cannot win a factual debate.

6. Pick your battles. Remember that 90% of liberals will not change their views, so you have to pick your battles. Ben, for example, recommends to always debate a liberal in front of a large crowd, and embarrass them as much as possible. The average liberal may not be worth wasting your time, because at the end of the debate, even if you have all the facts, their views will not change.

I've started describing myself as a "small government liberal" to my liberal relatives, then I attack them from the inside, muahahaha. They find it very hard to debate a self described liberal since all they know is the vilification of "the other side".

The problem is, a libtard will take a hellacious beating factually, and still not consider themselves "beat". That is why our country is the wreck that it has become. Libtards want to FORCE their ways upon everybody, even when their ways make ZERO SENSE, and do far more harm than good.

Liberals simply aren't interested in facts and figures. All they care about is their own demonic agendas, common sense and reason be damned.

These people have a VERY dangerous mental disorder. A mental illness that DESTROYS countries.

You will never make any headway towards getting a libturd to pull their head from their rectum, using reason and logic. It is just like Kryptonite to these demons.

All of your "framing the argument" and such is totally USELESS. These people don't know when they are beat, these people don't CARE that they are beat, they AREN'T going to change their "mind", because they are MENTALLY ILL, and only care about their agenda.

PERIOD... END OF STORY.

When Libtards start to insult and attack you personally in q debate or argument.

You know you've won!

I've started describing myself as a "small government liberal" to my liberal relatives, then I attack them from the inside, muahahaha. They find it very hard to debate a self described liberal since all they know is the vilification of "the other side".

Try it! I'm, socially quite liberal so it isn't that far from the true, although they don't connect the dots and realize that I am more or less a Libertarian min us the groupthink.

I was not debating anyone in my response. I was simply stating what I believe to be a liberal, from dozens I know and have debated. For example, you just said a "more fairly run society". That's an opinion. "More fairly" has many parts.

Which parts should be run more fairly? What are the standards of a more fair society? Who decides this? The goal of capitalism is that you can create your own "fairness" by hard work and dedication. Not have it given to you just because you're alive. What is your idea of a "more fair" society, that can operate without bankrupting small businesses, massive tax & debt increases?

Fair enough, we could nitpick about opinions and proving them until the end of time, so we can just agree that in this 'discussion' we expressed some opinions.. moving on to your question of fairness and small businesses..

I don't really agree with capitalism in it's extreme, it's like a game of monopoly where the person who wins the first time is forever and always the winner. But in terms of small businesses and having them work, I would take the side of the person running the business, provided they aren't just being greedy dickheads taking advantage of people.

I don't agree with people or government just being able to walk in and take your hard earned earnings, but I also think that hoarding money and depriving the system of it is extremely harmful, which is something rampant capitalism does. Hoarding leads to shortages, shortages lead to greater demand, and greater demand leads to higher prices.. it's artificial and perpetrated and designed to exploit more from something that is worth less.

I have no problem with the small business owner, but I think as the business owner gets richer, there should in turn be a rewarding process to those who have done the labour.. because I do not believe in unlimited profits for the guy at the top, at some point you have to acknowledge those who are doing the labour and those who are doing the buying, because without them, as is the case with person running the business, there would be no business. What good would a business owner be without people working for them or people buying their services? It's a relationship which requires all involved to nurture one another.

Funny you talk about using opinions as facts and then line by line make sweeping declarations about what liberals think, say, and do....when its clear that you have no facts to back that up.

I'm a "liberal" and none of your "liberals always" or "liberals never" statements fit me. Nor do they fit most of the liberals I know.

I suggest if you want to debate a liberal and win, you might want to get rid of bullshit stereotypes you suspect or maybe just wish were true. At least then you'll have a chance.

You are emotional aren't you? Pure raw emotion.

How to piss off a conservative. ..lie to him
How to piss off a liberal...tell them the truth