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Reverse Heart Disease with the Pauling Protocol

 
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Reverse Heart Disease with the Pauling Protocol
Reverse heart disease with the Linus Pauling therapy
Linus Pauling
The Unified Theory
Linus Pauling and Matthias Rath alerted the world to the cause of heart disease in 1989 -- a chronic, sub-clinical vitamin C deficiency -- due to a missing liver enzyme caused by the ancient GULO genetic defect in primate DNA. [1]

Pauling, the founder of modern chemistry, holder of 48 honorary Ph.D.s, and the world's only 2-time unshared Nobel prize laureate, theorized that too little vitamin C elevates cholesterol levels, including the Lp(a) variant that causes narrowing of blood vessels. After Pauling learned that Lp(a) binds to strands of lysine protruding from weak and damaged blood vessels, he invented the high-lysine therapy described here.
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"I think we can get almost complete control of cardiovascular disease, heart attacks and strokes by the proper use of (vitamin C and lysine) ... even cure it." - From Linus Pauling's Last Interview


Linus Pauling's specific therapy for cardiovascular and heart diseases are high dosages of two essential nutrients; vitamin C and the amino acid lysine.

Vitamin C is required to strengthen arteries so that the body does not try to patch arteries with "plaster casts" (atherosclerosis).

Lysine is an Lp(a) binding inhibitor, meaning at sufficient dosage it can reverse the plaster cast build-up (atherosclerotic plaques.) Lp(a) is the sticky form of LDL cholesterol that Pauling/Rath identified as the primary risk factor.
[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]
[link to www.vitamincfoundation.org]
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Best kept health secret of the century.
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Every one has a secret cure that the feds suppress, the only thing in common is that none of them work.
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Every one has a secret cure that the feds suppress, the only thing in common is that none of them work.
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Ahhh, I see the ill-informed have arrived...


Do some research and educate your ignorant ass.


Or don't and act all surprised when that first heart attack hits you, but you were too cool for school or just too lazy to check it out yourself when someone handed you the key.
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I take lysine all the time. I haven't been sick in a decade.
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I take lysine all the time. I haven't been sick in a decade.
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Have you been able to find anything other than those huge ass pills?

That is the largest pill I have ever had to take, but I haven't been able to find it in any other form.
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vit c sup gives me neck ache, repeated test, dont know why.
tried yellow sweet peppers cause dey high in c, same result
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I take lysine all the time. I haven't been sick in a decade.
 Quoting: TidesofTruth


Have you been able to find anything other than those huge ass pills?

That is the largest pill I have ever had to take, but I haven't been able to find it in any other form.
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If you do find out, would you mind sharing it, either here or let me know personally?

This is a great thread, OP!

This is the first time I hear about this and it truly means alot to me.

Thank you!


hf
ENIGMA
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Every one has a secret cure that the feds suppress, the only thing in common is that none of them work.
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And you know this...how?
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Re: Reverse Heart Disease with the Pauling Protocol
I take lysine all the time. I haven't been sick in a decade.
 Quoting: TidesofTruth


Have you been able to find anything other than those huge ass pills?

That is the largest pill I have ever had to take, but I haven't been able to find it in any other form.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56655476



If you do find out, would you mind sharing it, either here or let me know personally?

This is a great thread, OP!

This is the first time I hear about this and it truly means alot to me.

Thank you!


hf
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Hi Lady Enigma,

I don't remember the very first time I heard about this, but I remember it was on the internet in 2013. I had found an article about Pauling's theory that heart disease was actually a chronic form of scurvy and I then I found a video on youtube of him giving a lecture about the theory. He was actually granted a couple of patents having to do with using vitamin c and lysine to remove the plaque from hearts before putting them into transplant patients. Here is a link for a good summary article I found last year, I hope it can help you.

[link to www.drdach.com]
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lysine in powder
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vit c sup gives me neck ache, repeated test, dont know why.
tried yellow sweet peppers cause dey high in c, same result
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I actually read something a few days ago that might be related to your observations. The article I was reading mentioned that high dose vitamin c supplementation tends to dehydrate the body as the vitamin c is absorbed and combined into other forms. It also said that the spinal column and brain stem were the two areas that showed the fastest loss of water due to the vitamin c. I have experienced the neck aches before, but I didn't put it together with wha the article had said until you mentioned it. Thanks !
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lysine in powder
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Thank you !

This will make it much easier to take.
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99% of all Vitamin C sold is from China.
The only European Vitamin C factory left is DSM Nutritional Products in Scotland

if anyone knows of different sources, do tell. I despise China made edibles of any type..Bastards.
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99% of all Vitamin C sold is from China.
The only European Vitamin C factory left is DSM Nutritional Products in Scotland

if anyone knows of different sources, do tell. I despise China made edibles of any type..Bastards.
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According to the label, the vitamin c in Cardio-C is China-free.

[link to www.amazon.com]
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vit c sup gives me neck ache, repeated test, dont know why.
tried yellow sweet peppers cause dey high in c, same result
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69592431


I actually read something a few days ago that might be related to your observations. The article I was reading mentioned that high dose vitamin c supplementation tends to dehydrate the body as the vitamin c is absorbed and combined into other forms. It also said that the spinal column and brain stem were the two areas that showed the fastest loss of water due to the vitamin c. I have experienced the neck aches before, but I didn't put it together with wha the article had said until you mentioned it. Thanks !
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thank you. i was thinking i was allergic to vit c, will research more.
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Re: Reverse Heart Disease with the Pauling Protocol
99% of all Vitamin C sold is from China.
The only European Vitamin C factory left is DSM Nutritional Products in Scotland

if anyone knows of different sources, do tell. I despise China made edibles of any type..Bastards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69403997


According to the label, the vitamin c in Cardio-C is China-free.

[link to www.amazon.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56655476


yes, I know of that one. I'm hoping for some cheaper sources, but it looks like the Scotish factory supplies these other sources, and it's not cheap
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99% of all Vitamin C sold is from China.
The only European Vitamin C factory left is DSM Nutritional Products in Scotland

if anyone knows of different sources, do tell. I despise China made edibles of any type..Bastards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69403997


According to the label, the vitamin c in Cardio-C is China-free.

[link to www.amazon.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56655476


yes, I know of that one. I'm hoping for some cheaper sources, but it looks like the Scotish factory supplies these other sources, and it's not cheap
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Yeah, it is more pricey than the China-sourced C. I'll pay it while I can though, in hopes that the Scottish factory stays in business. I've been looking at that companies liposomal C too, also pricey, but supposedly about 10x the effective absorption rate compared to the non-liposomal forms. I think I will take the liposomal at night before bed and the crystalline powder during the day. I usually take 2g every 2 hours I'm awake. The book I read on it (Hickey, et al) mentioned that C has a half-life of about 30 minutes once in the bloodstream.
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in my situation, Cardio C would probably be 100.00 a month.
type one diabetic for 48 years, some vision loss, heart attacks, triple bypass, legs looking bad, nerve loss. congestive heart failure, thyroid gone, . good times. I get lots of grim looks from the docs, and one of them insists I be on statins, which I have not done yet.

Personally, I feel carbs causes heart disease.blood sugar causes the problems for diabetics. Docs know that we have a greater chance of heart disease. Carbs also affect normal people, but at a slower rate.


50 years of having no pancreas has taken its toll. and yes folks, type one and type two are completely different forms of diabetes.

But, I do have a full head of hair..rastabanan
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I should say I agree with pauling, that it is scurvy of the arteries. For diabetics, the blood sugar saps the vitamins and minerals out real fast. I feel that high blood sugar makes the lack of vitamin c even worse
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I should say I agree with pauling, that it is scurvy of the arteries. For diabetics, the blood sugar saps the vitamins and minerals out real fast. I feel that high blood sugar makes the lack of vitamin c even worse
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I am sad to hear how much you have gone through with your health. Have you ever tried high dose C or Lysine in the past? I hope you give it try now if you have the means. I think you are 100% correct about the carbs, the way I have come to think about the situation (I am a type 2 diabetic, completely my own fault through diet) is that any excess sugar in the blood increases the rate at which damage is done to the arterial walls. The fast the rate of damage, the more C is needed to make the collagen to repair the damage caused by the sugar. I am currently following Dr. Jason Fung's recommendations about using fasting to keep the rate of damage (diabetes) minimized, and using Dr. Linus Pauling's recommendations about vitamin C to keep the rate of repair maximized.
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I should say I agree with pauling, that it is scurvy of the arteries. For diabetics, the blood sugar saps the vitamins and minerals out real fast. I feel that high blood sugar makes the lack of vitamin c even worse
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I am sad to hear how much you have gone through with your health. Have you ever tried high dose C or Lysine in the past? I hope you give it try now if you have the means. I think you are 100% correct about the carbs, the way I have come to think about the situation (I am a type 2 diabetic, completely my own fault through diet) is that any excess sugar in the blood increases the rate at which damage is done to the arterial walls. The fast the rate of damage, the more C is needed to make the collagen to repair the damage caused by the sugar. I am currently following Dr. Jason Fung's recommendations about using fasting to keep the rate of damage (diabetes) minimized, and using Dr. Linus Pauling's recommendations about vitamin C to keep the rate of repair maximized.
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yes, a long time ago I did the Vit C deal. It tends to raise my sugars, probably from dehydration. . I agree. they have known for decades that the constant changes in diabetics blood sugars damages veins and arteries. Carbs causes the raising of blood sugar, for all people. Diabetics are constantly inflamed inside.

I think the addition of alpha lipoic acid and B vitamins, Magnesium is worth it too.
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I should say I agree with pauling, that it is scurvy of the arteries. For diabetics, the blood sugar saps the vitamins and minerals out real fast. I feel that high blood sugar makes the lack of vitamin c even worse
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69403997


I am sad to hear how much you have gone through with your health. Have you ever tried high dose C or Lysine in the past? I hope you give it try now if you have the means. I think you are 100% correct about the carbs, the way I have come to think about the situation (I am a type 2 diabetic, completely my own fault through diet) is that any excess sugar in the blood increases the rate at which damage is done to the arterial walls. The fast the rate of damage, the more C is needed to make the collagen to repair the damage caused by the sugar. I am currently following Dr. Jason Fung's recommendations about using fasting to keep the rate of damage (diabetes) minimized, and using Dr. Linus Pauling's recommendations about vitamin C to keep the rate of repair maximized.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56655476


yes, a long time ago I did the Vit C deal. It tends to raise my sugars, probably from dehydration. . I agree. they have known for decades that the constant changes in diabetics blood sugars damages veins and arteries. Carbs causes the raising of blood sugar, for all people. Diabetics are constantly inflamed inside.

I think the addition of alpha lipoic acid and B vitamins, Magnesium is worth it too.

Those are good supplements, I am on those also, along with Metformin which is supposed to increase insulin sensitivity and reduce the amount of glucose released by the liver. The big one that I always fall off the wagon with is exercise. I can keep it going for a few months, but then something happens that requires all my free time to deal with and I lose my momentum and go off track. There is a great chapter in the book Younger Next Year that talks about how exercise reduces long term inflammation by temporarily increasing inflammation after exercise, It has to do with the C-6/C-10 cytokine cycles and the white blood cells.
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(got mixed into you previous post so re-posting for clarity)

Those are good supplements, I am on those also, along with Metformin which is supposed to increase insulin sensitivity and reduce the amount of glucose released by the liver. The big one that I always fall off the wagon with is exercise. I can keep it going for a few months, but then something happens that requires all my free time to deal with and I lose my momentum and go off track. There is a great chapter in the book Younger Next Year that talks about how exercise reduces long term inflammation by temporarily increasing inflammation after exercise, It has to do with the C-6/C-10 cytokine cycles and the white blood cells.
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Some say Metformin is actually good for you. Anti-aging. I wish there was more proof of the Linus Pauling protocol . it's depressing. big pharma would rather people die than to find out about simple things that work. That there is probably proof it works.
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Recommend the Vitamin C foundation, china and Gmo free.

[link to vitamincfoundation.org]

Need to rinse teeth, after usage, it cracks enamel. It's only alkaline in the body, not in the mouth.

Mine is old now, intend to get some more.

Also want to make my own lipsomal.

Suggest hydrating with lots of water if one takes higher dosages.
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in my situation, Cardio C would probably be 100.00 a month.
type one diabetic for 48 years, some vision loss, heart attacks, triple bypass, legs looking bad, nerve loss. congestive heart failure, thyroid gone, . good times. I get lots of grim looks from the docs, and one of them insists I be on statins, which I have not done yet.

Personally, I feel carbs causes heart disease.blood sugar causes the problems for diabetics. Docs know that we have a greater chance of heart disease. Carbs also affect normal people, but at a slower rate.


50 years of having no pancreas has taken its toll. and yes folks, type one and type two are completely different forms of diabetes.

But, I do have a full head of hair..rastabanan
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bad genetics cause heart disease. I eat all tons of crap and have clean arteries though I do aerobic exercise and intermittent fast as well and keep my weight in check not allowing it to exceed a certain range.

Yo-yo dieting increases heart disease risk because the plaque formed from the binge phase of gaining wait is not as easily removed during the losing phase and not all of it gets removed... so if you frequently gain and lose 30-50 pounds instead of remaining at a steady wait, you increase your risk.
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just buy the big bottles of chewables for cheap at wal-mart. Ascorbic acid is ascorbic acid and there's no reason to spend 5X the price on some fancy supplement with "bioflavinoids" or some other crap.
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Be careful trying to use non-crytalline forms of c for higher dosages. The binders can be toxic at higher disafes in pill firm.
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vit c sup gives me neck ache, repeated test, dont know why.
tried yellow sweet peppers cause dey high in c, same result
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I actually read something a few days ago that might be related to your observations. The article I was reading mentioned that high dose vitamin c supplementation tends to dehydrate the body as the vitamin c is absorbed and combined into other forms. It also said that the spinal column and brain stem were the two areas that showed the fastest loss of water due to the vitamin c. I have experienced the neck aches before, but I didn't put it together with wha the article had said until you mentioned it. Thanks !
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With water soluble vitamins it is important to drink plenty of water, particularly if you are taking high doses. I would recommend an alkaline water. Also most of the Vitamin C on the market is derived from corn, therefore GMO. Find an organic Vitamin C if you are going to do this.
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Some say Metformin is actually good for you. Anti-aging. I wish there was more proof of the Linus Pauling protocol . it's depressing. big pharma would rather people die than to find out about simple things that work. That there is probably proof it works.
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I think Owen Forrowno (sp?) of the vitamin c foundation had put together some supporting evidence based on calcium score.

I'll see if i can find it again.





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