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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70496738 United States 10/06/2015 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a woman and I wouldn't want to serve to begin with. I acknowledge there's difference between men and women...I'm talking beyond genitals. My example comes from heavy lifting. I was helping my mom move one of the big bulky tv sets from one room to another and we were both straining our guts out. Meanwhile I'm sure 2 or 3 men wouldn't have a problem lifting the tv and moving it from one room to another. I'll be the first to admit I'm not She-Hulk. It's a shame if the men can't be vocal* about things being lowered so women can pass. Asses are on the line. The "enemy" isn't going to be lowering their standards. The "enemy" will target the weakest links and that's a no brainer. I wouldn't feel safe if I were a man in that situation and I knew for a fact that the standards were lower so the women could get through. And likewise as a woman, I'm putting myself in their shoes. I wouldn't want to be out there because I know my training wasn't the same as the men and their training. That me being out there might get all of us killed. And no, I don't have the attitude of "lulz, women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That's all their good for." I'm just saying there's plenty of other things that can be done where the standards aren't lowered. And I don't want to seem like I'm slamming women. Again, we're different. There's stuff men can do/are good at that women can't do/aren't good at and there's stuff women can do/are good at that men can't do/aren't good at. *I'm sure these men could talk in depth about what they really think and it's unfortunate if the discussion is turned into a "The men are just keeping the women down. All you think we're good for is screwing, baby making, cooking and cleaning." |
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(OP) User ID: 69357168 United States 10/07/2015 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a woman and I wouldn't want to serve to begin with. I acknowledge there's difference between men and women...I'm talking beyond genitals. My example comes from heavy lifting. I was helping my mom move one of the big bulky tv sets from one room to another and we were both straining our guts out. Meanwhile I'm sure 2 or 3 men wouldn't have a problem lifting the tv and moving it from one room to another. I'll be the first to admit I'm not She-Hulk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70496738 It's a shame if the men can't be vocal* about things being lowered so women can pass. Asses are on the line. The "enemy" isn't going to be lowering their standards. The "enemy" will target the weakest links and that's a no brainer. I wouldn't feel safe if I were a man in that situation and I knew for a fact that the standards were lower so the women could get through. And likewise as a woman, I'm putting myself in their shoes. I wouldn't want to be out there because I know my training wasn't the same as the men and their training. That me being out there might get all of us killed. And no, I don't have the attitude of "lulz, women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That's all their good for." I'm just saying there's plenty of other things that can be done where the standards aren't lowered. And I don't want to seem like I'm slamming women. Again, we're different. There's stuff men can do/are good at that women can't do/aren't good at and there's stuff women can do/are good at that men can't do/aren't good at. *I'm sure these men could talk in depth about what they really think and it's unfortunate if the discussion is turned into a "The men are just keeping the women down. All you think we're good for is screwing, baby making, cooking and cleaning." Amen, Sister Last Edited by dschis1000 on 10/07/2015 08:36 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 69357168 United States 10/07/2015 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mine stood with me through most of the decades I spent in the Army. We've made to about 35 years now. Then I guess we're a bit weird. We've both made sacrifices along the way for our marriage and kids, but as I stated before we must be weird by today's standards |
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Sparrow User ID: 70441480 Australia 10/07/2015 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a woman and I wouldn't want to serve to begin with. I acknowledge there's difference between men and women...I'm talking beyond genitals. My example comes from heavy lifting. I was helping my mom move one of the big bulky tv sets from one room to another and we were both straining our guts out. Meanwhile I'm sure 2 or 3 men wouldn't have a problem lifting the tv and moving it from one room to another. I'll be the first to admit I'm not She-Hulk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70496738 It's a shame if the men can't be vocal* about things being lowered so women can pass. Asses are on the line. The "enemy" isn't going to be lowering their standards. The "enemy" will target the weakest links and that's a no brainer. I wouldn't feel safe if I were a man in that situation and I knew for a fact that the standards were lower so the women could get through. And likewise as a woman, I'm putting myself in their shoes. I wouldn't want to be out there because I know my training wasn't the same as the men and their training. That me being out there might get all of us killed. And no, I don't have the attitude of "lulz, women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That's all their good for." I'm just saying there's plenty of other things that can be done where the standards aren't lowered. And I don't want to seem like I'm slamming women. Again, we're different. There's stuff men can do/are good at that women can't do/aren't good at and there's stuff women can do/are good at that men can't do/aren't good at. *I'm sure these men could talk in depth about what they really think and it's unfortunate if the discussion is turned into a "The men are just keeping the women down. All you think we're good for is screwing, baby making, cooking and cleaning." Preach! I'm a woman and a conscientious objector in most circumstances...but I would be willing to go out onto the field as a medic if needed! I don't need to tote a gun to serve my loved ones :) |
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Sparrow User ID: 70441480 Australia 10/07/2015 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Women have been serving in the military for a long time. Nothing wrong with that if they want to as long as they don't compromise the others' jobs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64753108 Oh I agree! The problem is...they are! I personally think that women and men should be in separate battalions...but I don't know much about the army! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70485349 United States 10/07/2015 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny how this question only comes up when there is a chance we might go to war. When things are peaceful the females go in and no one says a word. They get their benefits and get out. First hint of war and out of the blue this subject comes up. "Get the females out before they get hurt" . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70395662 United States 10/07/2015 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am a woman, I worked in a forward operating command post during OIF. Our position came under attack. So I am a Combat veteran. However no special circumstances went into my being there, meaning it was a typical FOB - with a combat squadron of which I was part. I am not any kind of special forces, pretty equal opportunity career field. A very specialized pencil pusher. In some cases the Combat thing is a bit blurred. Is your argument about SEAL teams and Ranger type positions? Because pretty much all theater is Combat my brother and you know that. Are you really stating women should not be in uniform????? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70395662 United States 10/07/2015 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny how this question only comes up when there is a chance we might go to war. When things are peaceful the females go in and no one says a word. They get their benefits and get out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70485349 First hint of war and out of the blue this subject comes up. "Get the females out before they get hurt" . Yawn, Jebus - I mean seriously is this not 2015? This discussion is so 1985. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70395662 United States 10/07/2015 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was in both the Navy and the Air Force. I was married to a Marine. My brother serves in the Coast Guard. I've seen it all, understand the missions and branches quite well. Except for the Army. The Army is a very strange creature IMO. When I was in the command post I had the information, I was the ONLY one with the information at certain times during the night shift. I was like the Commanders right hand. He counted on me to down channel and up channel his directives and to maintain the ability at all times to passdown complete status of his base and assets. That said I had an Army E8 that would come over for debrief and despite the fact I was the ONLY one with the key knowledge he would not speak to me let alone look at me. We had to summon another E8, who knew me by the way - who had no direct knowledge of the information and he would stand there and act like an interpreter for this Army E8 who would not look at or acknowledge me despite the fact we all spoke English. It was like an out of body experience of surreal ego driven horse shit by this guy. SO male or female - the Army - has some issues. |
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User ID: 69593891 United States 10/07/2015 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a woman and I wouldn't want to serve to begin with. I acknowledge there's difference between men and women...I'm talking beyond genitals. My example comes from heavy lifting. I was helping my mom move one of the big bulky tv sets from one room to another and we were both straining our guts out. Meanwhile I'm sure 2 or 3 men wouldn't have a problem lifting the tv and moving it from one room to another. I'll be the first to admit I'm not She-Hulk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70496738 It's a shame if the men can't be vocal* about things being lowered so women can pass. Asses are on the line. The "enemy" isn't going to be lowering their standards. The "enemy" will target the weakest links and that's a no brainer. I wouldn't feel safe if I were a man in that situation and I knew for a fact that the standards were lower so the women could get through. And likewise as a woman, I'm putting myself in their shoes. I wouldn't want to be out there because I know my training wasn't the same as the men and their training. That me being out there might get all of us killed. And no, I don't have the attitude of "lulz, women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That's all their good for." I'm just saying there's plenty of other things that can be done where the standards aren't lowered. And I don't want to seem like I'm slamming women. Again, we're different. There's stuff men can do/are good at that women can't do/aren't good at and there's stuff women can do/are good at that men can't do/aren't good at. *I'm sure these men could talk in depth about what they really think and it's unfortunate if the discussion is turned into a "The men are just keeping the women down. All you think we're good for is screwing, baby making, cooking and cleaning." Men and women compliment each other in life for the sake of offspring. It has worked for millions of years, so why try to fix what is obviously not broken? Bravo to not being brainwashed! "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." - I AM Vote for people that have a track record for loving your Constitution or lose your country forever!!! Put down the damn touchy feely koolaid and WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!! :militia: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63162520 United States 10/07/2015 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think any women who joins the military, becomes a cop, or even a firefighter has some serious issues to want to be surrounded by high-testosterone men all day. She's definitely not looking for marriage and family kind of lifestyle, more like she has a masochistic urge to get raped. |
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(OP) User ID: 69357168 United States 10/09/2015 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am a woman, I worked in a forward operating command post during OIF. Our position came under attack. So I am a Combat veteran. However no special circumstances went into my being there, meaning it was a typical FOB - with a combat squadron of which I was part. I am not any kind of special forces, pretty equal opportunity career field. A very specialized pencil pusher. In some cases the Combat thing is a bit blurred. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70395662 Is your argument about SEAL teams and Ranger type positions? Because pretty much all theater is Combat my brother and you know that. Are you really stating women should not be in uniform????? in a REMF capacity and what I mean by that. I mean no combat MOS and/or forward unit. Saying that, you have to able to defend yourself and others if the situation calls for it. |
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User ID: 69593891 United States 10/09/2015 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think women are GREAT, but not in the military. Quoting: ncrick003 70310477 Being in combat alongside a female would (or could) cause a lot of problems for everyone. Maybe as logistic or medical personnel Ok, but not in combat. PS, Female police are not a good idea, either. TRUMP, that HAS to be you? lulz "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." - I AM Vote for people that have a track record for loving your Constitution or lose your country forever!!! Put down the damn touchy feely koolaid and WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!! :militia: |
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