Time to tell the meaning of what Jesus is,... What is enlightenment? Nobody has spoken......:)

Pope is the head of the unholy trinity. The Devil in the flesh..

Flesh is the devil

For discussion

Jesus is Yashua

He is the WORD's of GOD revealed in a flesh form to exhibit exactly what GOD's WORD's have been saying all along but in print or communication. He is the revelation of WHAT GOD is communicating.


He is also the spirit of Prophecy. Again words spoken long ago, shown to be fulfilled through a Human vessel.

the WORD was put in place for us. This WORD is also the very thing that condemns wrong, but because the WORD also died, we see that the law (word) of condemnation waw also put to death. THE WORD showed us the "salvation" from this seperation from our creator. The rising of the WORD to new life...shows the 2nd Covenant of GOD of Salvation though FAITH, not by the rules of commandments that were used to control man by man.

Look at the story of ESTHER. The king had a treator within his kingdom and this traitor wanted to condemn the jewish people and tricked the king into killing the Jews not knowing his very Queen was one. When a King makes a law He can not go back on HIS word, He instead made a way for the Jews to find Salvation.

the Esther is like the Body of CHrist - persecuted but the KING is like the WORD and a way was made to salvation through another way, but it was still the KINGS WORD.

FIGHT with weapons!

GOD is spiritaul (WORDS) our world is physical and tangible. WE DO HAVE AN ADVOCATE!

WORDS are important, VERY IMPORTANT IN THE SPIRITUAL!

It is not called Revelations.

It is The Revelation. One. Singular. Not plural.

You don't even know the title...

True
My joyous mistake
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hmmm...I can do nothing on my own

Are you sure?
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Humble...

yes I am sure, self improvement is impossible, I can never be good enough on my own.

Is there a bottom-line meaning of what Jesus is? Is there a bottom-line meaning to what enlightenment is?

In Heaven, of course, there is no bottom line on ANYTHING. Here on Earth, however, there IS a bottom line. Many know what it is. Few have experienced it.

Most believe that it is all about US. In other words, WE need to get our act together. We need to be enlightened. We need knowledge. We need experience. We need growth. The list goes on. Somehow, WE are supposed to get ourselves to the point where we will be accepted into Heaven and fit in.

Of course, we are supposed to have a relationship with Jesus. We are supposed to somehow know what He wants us to do, be, see and LIVE the life IN HIM. Of course, this is just the precurser. He came so that we may know THE FATHER.

The Father is a whole different ballgame. Even though we know that Jesus is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Father, we somehow know that the Father did things that the Son never did while He was on Earth. Jesus never shook mountains. The Father shook the mountain so bad that the children of Israel did not even dare to speak to Him. They couldn't even look upon the light shining in Moses' face and they made him wear a veil. The humblest and the lowliest had no problem gazing upon Jesus. Only when He flashed forth Divinity did those who opposed Him get scared and flee. Otherwise, they freely mocked Him and sought to prove Him evil. The Divinity that flashed forth upon those who were called to Him did not scare or confound them. They came SEEKING it and would not accept anything else. Nothing else mattered. They were "in the moment". In that moment they were GOLDEN. If they were sick, they got healed. If they were sad, they were given joy. If they doubted, all doubt was expelled from the life. If they hated, they learned love. If they were sinners, they were cleansed of defilement. They didn't ask if this was really so. They KNEW in their heart and in their soul. Herein lies the bottom line.

They were sinners still when Jesus moved on. THAT was never going to change while they were on earth. BUT, they were VICTORS and they knew it because they received the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost not only cleansed them from the inside out, it ENVELOPED them with a Robe of Righteousness. Sin, for that moment at least, was no longer a heavy weight upon their heads, their hearts nor even their body. They were free of something they never really knew entrapped them. They became enlightened. They were still sinners, they still had problems, they still ached after a long walk, they still doubted themselves, they still knew that NOTHING of this that they had experienced was from THEM. They experienced the Son and thus the Father. The Son, by His own admission, did NOTHING except through the Father. In all things, He sought for us to understand this above all things. He was showing us that all the things that HE did, He did them through the Father.

We sin every day--sometimes even every moment. THAT is an ever-present reality in our lives. We can do nothing about that. However, we have a MEANS by which we can OVERCOME the tendencies, the thoughts, and the actions. The one key thing we have to constantly remind ourselves of, is that this is available to us ONLY when we are ministering to others. THIS is the bottom line. The Holy Spirit and everything He brings to us is for the sake of others. We CANNOT take it as though it is like money in the hand that we can use to purchase salvation--or even hold on to it. The Holy Spirit comes so that we may GIVE IT AWAY TO OTHERS. It must be a deliberate act of selflessness and any thought of reward will only lessen its impact. Even knowing that we are sinners--even the CHIEFEST of sinners--when Christ offers us the Robe of Righteousness, we must first put it on before we can use its covering in HIS service. We are still sinners. But HE is perfect. When we put on the Robe, we are as PERFECT as HE is. This is the ONLY way that we can be as perfect as the Father is. We are commanded to "be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect. Any other way leads to self.

We never know when the Father places someone in front of us to receive the words of life. We may sin in thought, word AND deed in one moment--and in the next moment be called to give witness. It takes FAITH to believe that donning the Robe will instantly make us perfect in Christ. THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE. With the Robe of Righteousness, God can work through us. HIS perfection can now pass through us to others and bring perfection into their lives. All the things that Christ did can now be done through us--even miracles.

Just this basic understanding can change lives. All of Heaven is ready and willing to give us good gifts in the ministration of His work. Whatever gift is necessary to perform HIS work, He will bestow upon us. Again, this is not like money in the hand. Attempting to use these gifts for self will NEGATE them--maybe even forever. The prophet Balaam lost his own salvation by attempting to use the gift of cursing and blessing for his own reward.

Every act, good or bad, prepares the way for its repetition. Once we have stepped out in faith, it prepares us to continue in righteousness. It also prepares the way for all of HELL to now consider you a major threat. Your sin will be used against you. Your tendency to sin will be placed before you endlessly. We cannot allow it to cloud our judgment, cause guilt, or fear consequences. This is enlightenment. Again, this is the BOTTOM LINE. This will be a part of our lives until we see Jesus coming in the clouds of Glory. This is the final test in our lives. The battle will become more intense and our faith tried to the utmost. HE is sufficient. When each instance is over, we cannot even bring to remembrance how things were accomplished so that we can boast. The words are His. The acts are His. The life is His. Another BOTTOM LINE.

I am the weary traveler....
Jesus is the road and my guide...
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Food for thought....
Jesus said follow my example... Take up the cross..
If you could do nothing , just like the father....
The heavens would shake, the mountains would crumble...
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the light within

wisedom and understanding

the kingdom

the treasure

the pearl of great price

when you ask first for wisdom and understanding, all else will be added unto you...like solomon

in light

en light

It is the spirit of the teaching, whether it be the individual named in the thread title or the many other alchemical magicians of old. That's what counts.

But unlike these individuals and their alchemical experiences, what I feel is happening in the here and now is an alchemical transformation of a given individual, but of the planetary population as a whole.

what is wisdom and understanding?

there are proverbs that explain

Enlightenment is when you discover that everything is just distraction bullshit preventing you from going within!

Also, you will never be enlightenment, if you keep worshiping to external god.

Yes wisdom is what you should desire...
All else is selfishness...
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Yes look within
Better yet, listen....
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You won't believe your eyes!

Hey!
Thanks for your words...
Truth is hard to come by...
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If you don't know where to look...

Anyone else care to explain what Jesus meant?
Why he had to die?
Why he came to earth as a man?
What his true message is?
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He had to die for our sins, and He had to rise from the dead to give us everlasting life. Only a man could fix what another man broke. His message is that He lives in us, and we live in Him, and we have Life in Him.

Yes
Yes
Yes
And that we should act just like him in every way...
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The end result of enlightenment is unification with the source...
Only one thing may exist in one place at one time......not two..
This invisible, soundless, weightless, depthless....heightless
Nothing definable...

God is playing hide and seek
Alone

enlightenment is when all you can say is wow.
your alive when you shouldn't be,
this world was prepared for you,
you did nothing,
so do nothing.

I would disagree, flesh is human nature, the devil is a created spirit.

no two things can exist in the same place at once.

Yes and true

It's up to you